Guild Wars 2

insanemaniac.2456:

Nuzt.7894:

This is all fine and well, but, what actions does Anet take when your Dev’s do not treat your players with respect and are not constructive ? I can think of a few replies/comments made by devon in the last couple weeks that have not been constructive and been very disrespectful to posters because he did not like what they had to say. I’m not suggesting this gives us posters the right to be kittens, and I’ll admit to several posts of my own that were not in good taste, but your team should be held to the same standards.

let devon be himself.

they already squashed josh foreman, we dont need them censuring more of their people.

It is my opinion that “letting Devon be himself” is hurting more then helping, perhaps if he was forced to the same standards as us posters he might listen and consider what we are saying/asking before he has a tantrum and shuts down every viable opinion/suggestion.

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Greetings Dream,

Allow me to take a moment to answer some of your questions and hopefully alleviate your concerns. In regards to your first question concerning posts and threads being removed, allow me to quote another member of our Community team who addressed this concern earlier this month:

CC Danicia.1394:

Our Forum Code of Conduct is very clear regarding what is acceptable discussion. It’s true; we do not allow “I quit” threads or threads created simply to complain. We DO allow negative threads, as long as it remains constructive and respectful. Not just respectful towards each other, but also to our staff, which includes the Moderation Team, Dev Team, and more.

…

Our goal is to allow our community to express their thoughts and desires for the game, but not at the expense of our welcoming and respectful spaces.

That said, threads and posts are removed because they violate the forum code of conduct. We do not remove posts simply because we don’t like what people are saying. In short, it’s not what people say, but how they say it. As long as people engage in critical discussions in a way that treats developers and community members respectfully, there should not be an issue.

However, we are human and we do make mistakes. Which is why we encourage you to email forums@arena.net if you believe a moderation action was made in error.

We are always seeking to improve with moderation on the forums and having the opportunity to correct mistakes and educate those involved is the first step towards doing so.

In response to your question about how we collect and pass on feedback, the simple answer is “yes”. We have a rotating schedule of all the subforums, ensuring that each subforum is reviewed regularly and feedback from each subforum is passed on to the developers. Additionally, after an update, feedback is gathered from forums most affected by the update. In the case of the most recent update, WvW made up a significant amount of the feedback, and yes the negative feedback was included as part of that report. To be frank, I personally spent my entire afternoon yesterday reading and gathering feedback from the WvW subforum for yesterday’s report.

I cannot make promises regarding what actions the development teams will take based on the feedback we provide, but I can promise that they do hear your feedback, either by reading it directly here on the forums or through the reports we send them each day.

As part of the Community team, communication with players is always at the forefront of our minds and we’re always looking at methods to make improvements in that field. That said, we will leave this thread open today, so you can ask further questions, and share your concerns. Please note that if the discussion does not stay civil or constructive, we’ll close the thread.

Our hope is that by leaving this open for discussion, we can show that we are listening and working to improve our processes.

This is all fine and well, but, what actions does Anet take when your Dev’s do not treat your players with respect and are not constructive ? I can think of a few replies/comments made by devon in the last couple weeks that have not been constructive and been very disrespectful to posters because he did not like what they had to say. I’m not suggesting this gives us posters the right to be kittens, and I’ll admit to several posts of my own that were not in good taste, but your team should be held to the same standards.

Entropy.4732:

This Bloodlust buff is a horrible, wretched idea. On servers like NSP we fight every day using complex, carefully orchestrated tactics to make up for our lack of numbers. You’ve now given the strongest server a huge buff. This is inexplicable to me. We are already losing WvW players every day due to the flawed match up system, and now this??? Are you trying to punish the underdog servers even more? Why do the superior servers need to be any stronger? Has all logic gone out the window? Thank god GTA 5 came out this week.

I think there is plenty of peopl who are trying to wrap their heads around what Devon figured was a good idea. I do believe all logic has gone out the window, its almost like Devons just picking bad ideas out of a hat and implementing them.

selan.8354:

Coarr.3286:

you have your keeps and we roamers have our playground now. dont see the problem at all.

well considering that wvw is not a roaming based game. the keeps have to be improved. the structures are way to easy to get into. they have not been improved at all. a new castle instead of the playground would have been way better accepted in our community.
roaming once in a while can be fun for a lot of us, but the majority in here likes gvg and zvz battles.
we want epic battles and sieging, not a 1 thief ganking a person that is running supply kinda style.

Roaming is very much a part of WvW, sorry that you don’t like to be ganked on route but that is part of tactics. Cutting of enemy supplies, cutting off reinforcements, flipping camps. A server should always have a zerg taking keeps/towers and roamers to do what I listed above. There is a reason most Armies have tactical teams.

There is no point to miss, if its here to stay, give it to the dolyaks, no player should recieve it. Why ask a question if you don’t want to here any answer but your own.

Than the post is silly if you agree with me because even last place should not have it.

I just really can’t believe this buff went live, actually I guess I can, its no secret that the WvW dev(s) are incompitent. Most games would strive for balance, while its impossible to achieve perfect balance ot should always be worked towards. It seems the WvW team skipped that day, they have managed to do the complete opposite.

No game will ever be perfect, but there are somethings that are common sense, how they thought something good would come from this is beyond me. Hopefully some of the higher ups notice how incapable the WvW Dev(s) is/are by this and put a hold on the Leagues that will just further damage the game.

No one should have it, the buff itself is to powerful. I’m with the majority of posters, the new map changes are great, the bloodlust buff … wtf were you guys smoking when you thought this would be a good idea. Devon should be fired over this one, the buff just proved that he has zero common sense.

Wanze.8410:

All Wvw Players going to SPVP now because its such a great eSport.

Well, at least someone has a sense of humor, this made my day. TY kind Sir.

BlackBeard.2873:

I am on Anvil Rock, and I have a strong incentive to move. Its not really tied (directly) to the rewards, but to the desire for a good and even matchup. I want to be in a place that is up against a lot of action at all times, and contribute in a variety of ways (defense, roaming, offense, supply camps, etc). At lower tiers, there are lots of times when there is nothing going on, and it gets worse as more people jump ship.

I also don’t look forward to having to face off against the top of T2 (as we stand at the bottom now) and being pushed off the map and spawn-camped 24/7. When fights aren’t reasonably close, people give up and it snow-balls. I want to be on a server with a fighting chance every week so that I never get forced out of WvW.

I agree, as someone who plays late night on AR, its becoming harder and harder to enjoy the game. I really don’t want to transfer but as long as Anet does nothing to help with population issues the bottom servers are going to become ghost towns. Don’t let Devon fool you, there is plenty Anet could do to help fix population, it would however require them to dislodge their heads from their kitten.

style.6173:

All, look at it this way. There is a big gap right now between what the ANET dev team thinks and what people on this forum think. If the league turns out to be as unbalanced as everyone in the forums think, then you have every right to criticize the ideas of the dev team going forward. Until we see the rules though, maybe there is something ANET isn’t telling us with the league set up/scoring.

People who keep coming up with this, and handi caps to scoring just aren’t getting it. If your server gets utterly destroyed all week long to the point where logging in is painful does it really matter if Anet tells you your server won the match ?

I’m sure players will be happy with being spawn camped for 7 days only to hear they came first or second because they logged in.

DevonCarver.5370:

Season 1 is going forward as we described, however nothing about future seasons is set in stone. We’ll take a look at the data we get from the first season and will absolutely make adjustments so that future seasons are even better than the first one.

My concern with four leagues is simply that there isn’t enough variety at that point. I could very well be wrong, but we are going to try season 1 this way and then we’ll take a look at how it played out.

It really is sad that you need MORE data to figure out what is going to happen. Your concern about variety should be irrelevant, players concerns on the other hand should be relevant.

Raine.1394:

Nuzt.7894:

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Araris.7839:

Alright guys, he’s obviously got a lot of growing up to do. What he’s doing is the equivent of holding his hands over his ears and yelling. It doesn’t matter how many people tell him that he’s wrong, he can’t accept it because it makes him feel bad.

Not going to waste my time on some kid throwing a tantrum, suggest you don’t either.

Dismissing me as needing to grow up while not engaging with my argument is the very definition of the ad hominem. Ad hominem’s are generally resorted to when you run out of intellectual gas or never had any to begin with. Which one is it for you?

I’ll be perfectly fair, neither of you are looking terribly wonderful at the moment. I disagree with the ad hominem attack, but you kinda justify it by refuting what every other person in the thread is talking about.

Not helpful. Please demonstrate where I am right or wrong. Your fairness is a wonderful attempt, but please move to the issues discussed. If I am wrong, please demonstrate where I am wrong.

You are disagreeing with every other person in this thread. Everyone else came here with a very specific idea of what a trinity is, and no one else except you believes GW2 has a trinity. While I would rather refrain from putting it in the terms used by Araris, his assessment is accurate. You either are being stubborn for stubborn’s sake, or you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why in the world would I want to agree with every other person in a thread on the forums of GW2? Seriously! You are arguing here from a demonstrable logical fallacy. I only want to be congruent with logic. So, if you intend to attack me, attack my arguments. Show me where they are illogical or fallacious. I doubt you’ll have much success, but feel free to go for it.

I think that when it comes to terms used in a particular manner by the entirety of a community, and when in discussion with that community, then yes, you should agree with them. I wouldn’t go into a church and define trinity to be a roleplaying party structure, I wouldn’t go to an academic setting and use trinity to refer to a roleplaying party structure, but when I’m talking about a game, I’m kitten well going to use trinity to refer to a roleplaying party structure.

You don’t go to a kennel and define “dog” to mean your buddy that you refer to with slang. If someone at a bar is “getting a drink”, chances are it isn’t water. Definitions are contextually sensitive, and the gaming community has a very specific definition of trinity.

But, I’m part of the community and I use the term ‘trinity’ to mean ‘trinity’, that is, something that deals with three things. I clearly defined what I was referring to so that there would be no misunderstanding. And, while there can’t be misunderstanding, there is obviously dis-agreement.

Arguing for the sake of arguing is usually a tell tale sign of insecurity. There is also nothing in the dictionary about a player in GW2 with the user name of Raine.1394 being right on the GW2 forums so I guess that makes you wrong because its not defined anywhere in writing.

Now I hope you can see how silly your argument is, I will give you points for trolling though.

But, you would have to first demonstrate how silly my arguments are, right? Rather than just asserting it. Good luck, my friend!

There is no need to demonstrate what you have already demonstrated.

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Sylentir.8913:

Raine.1394:

Araris.7839:

Alright guys, he’s obviously got a lot of growing up to do. What he’s doing is the equivent of holding his hands over his ears and yelling. It doesn’t matter how many people tell him that he’s wrong, he can’t accept it because it makes him feel bad.

Not going to waste my time on some kid throwing a tantrum, suggest you don’t either.

Dismissing me as needing to grow up while not engaging with my argument is the very definition of the ad hominem. Ad hominem’s are generally resorted to when you run out of intellectual gas or never had any to begin with. Which one is it for you?

I’ll be perfectly fair, neither of you are looking terribly wonderful at the moment. I disagree with the ad hominem attack, but you kinda justify it by refuting what every other person in the thread is talking about.

Not helpful. Please demonstrate where I am right or wrong. Your fairness is a wonderful attempt, but please move to the issues discussed. If I am wrong, please demonstrate where I am wrong.

You are disagreeing with every other person in this thread. Everyone else came here with a very specific idea of what a trinity is, and no one else except you believes GW2 has a trinity. While I would rather refrain from putting it in the terms used by Araris, his assessment is accurate. You either are being stubborn for stubborn’s sake, or you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Why in the world would I want to agree with every other person in a thread on the forums of GW2? Seriously! You are arguing here from a demonstrable logical fallacy. I only want to be congruent with logic. So, if you intend to attack me, attack my arguments. Show me where they are illogical or fallacious. I doubt you’ll have much success, but feel free to go for it.

I think that when it comes to terms used in a particular manner by the entirety of a community, and when in discussion with that community, then yes, you should agree with them. I wouldn’t go into a church and define trinity to be a roleplaying party structure, I wouldn’t go to an academic setting and use trinity to refer to a roleplaying party structure, but when I’m talking about a game, I’m kitten well going to use trinity to refer to a roleplaying party structure.

You don’t go to a kennel and define “dog” to mean your buddy that you refer to with slang. If someone at a bar is “getting a drink”, chances are it isn’t water. Definitions are contextually sensitive, and the gaming community has a very specific definition of trinity.

But, I’m part of the community and I use the term ‘trinity’ to mean ‘trinity’, that is, something that deals with three things. I clearly defined what I was referring to so that there would be no misunderstanding. And, while there can’t be misunderstanding, there is obviously dis-agreement.

Arguing for the sake of arguing is usually a tell tale sign of insecurity. There is also nothing in the dictionary about a player in GW2 with the user name of Raine.1394 being right on the GW2 forums so I guess that makes you wrong because its not defined anywhere in writing.

Now I hope you can see how silly your argument is, I will give you points for trolling though.

ahuba.6430:

Trinity as in only the tank plays the game and makes an effort? While dps’s do their rotation for 5 minutes and healers look at bars? No thank you i’m fine with all dps’es having to look out for themselves while looking after others too.

I don’t miss ^^ these guys, you know, the tanks that figured they lived through everything without assistance while their healers fingers bleed as they try to keep said clueless tank up.

I don’t miss miss the trinity itself, I do miss playing pure heals/support. I realize most classes can gear/spec for support but it not the same. Sure its nice to be able to fight and not hit like a wet noodle, but, that’s what alts are for.

Now if they added the Monk from GW1 then I would be a happy camper, it won’t happen, but I can still hope and dream.

Just curious if Anet has plans to ever add this to the store. Its a cash cow for Anet, I’m actually surprised it has not been added already.

Quick question for SoS, is there still plenty of Aussie’s and how are the Ques Aussie prime time.

Zergs have been looked down on in many games not just GW2. The problem isn’t zergs, its the fact that they are heavily favored by Anet. Also what is a zerg ? Is it 15+, 20+, 30+ ? I would say usually when you hit the 30+ mark skill does tend to go out the window, its now just a blob of people steam rolling and mashing 1. There’s nothing wrong with it, it allows casuals to jump in stick on a dorito and off they go. The fact that a poorly played zerg can just steam roll smaller numbers that vastly out skill them is a problem. In most cases even if a group of 10-15 play like gods and use every advantage possible (choke points, Terrain, Fields) the blob will still mash 1 and win, which shouldn’t happen, this is where Devon is confused when he thinks there is Skill involved in WvW.

Swamurabi.7890:

Nuzt.7894:

You are missing one very large factor, Fun, yes that’s right, fun. Regardless of numbers and how YOU think it will work, the lower population servers are still going to get destroyed by the higher populations. Let me rephrase that, they are going to quit playing for the entire match-up because who want to be spawn camped for 7 days ? The larger populations will have nothing else to do but spawn camp, when their opponent can’t even Que 1 map while they can Que all 4.

Why do YOU assume that BP or YB is going to be put in a match with BG? College and pro teams in a football league don’t face every other team in their leagues. Even an eighteen handicap golfer is going to lose badly to a two handicap golfer without handicap adjusted score, but with the handicap they just might win, and the possibility of winning makes the match FUN. Look at Anvil Rock, the lowest ranked server in NA, getting 95ppt and NOT QUITTING. Their 139K score is higher than four other servers, one of which is #7 Maguuma. Anvil Rock will probably never get to the 272K score that TC has, but if AR does better with the addition of a handicap than BG/JQ/SoR/TC/FA/DB with their handicaps, AR should get the rewards they deserve.

Nuzt.7894:

So really, the rewards don’t mean kitten, Glicko scores doesn’t mean kitten, what rank you are in or perceived to be in doesn’t mean kitten, its going to be a kitten show of epic proportions.

And yet after one year there are a lot of people still playing, lining up at the portals on Friday night. All this without any rewards, drops, or even balanced matchups. Everyone knows on Friday reset what the outcome of the matches is going to be.

Nuzt.7894:

Also to be honest, the Glicko system was a joke from the start for these types of matches and now that Anet has “tweeked” it, its even more of a joke, so if they base it off of what your saying, then they should probably just pick server names out of a hat and call them winners.

Irrespective of the rating method, after a year everyone knows that population is proportional to points and Anet should have enough data to predict the score of every possible matchup. Wouldn’t you rather play WvW knowing that on any given matchup, your server could win with a handicap? Wouldn’t that be FUN?

First off I play on AR, I really don’t need you to try and explain how were doing or if were enjoying ourselves. Now that that is out of the way, this is not football, this is not a sport, you ask why I assume things when all the while you have been assuming that Anet will do things the way you think.

One would think that Anet would do what makes sense right ? I ask you this, did leaving free transfers in for as long as they did make sense ? No. Did allowing players to stack on servers make sense ? No. Does having 2 leagues vs. 4 make sense ? No. With the implementation of guesting does basing transfer costs on server wide population rather than monitoring WvW population (as that is the only reason to transfer) and base it on that make sense ? No. Has ANYTHING Anet done with WvW make sense ? No. So with their track record, I’m going out on a limb and going to say they won’t do what makes sense.

As for people lining up at the portal every Friday, hello from AR, this is a myth. Those servers that do line up have a population, it might not be equal but they will not spend the entire match watching 1 server completely dominate.

Lastly, Anet doesn’t care about about fair, Devon has made that very apparent. No I would not enjoy being dominated then being told by Anet that I won because of a handicap. Yay I won but it was the worst week of WvW I have ever had the displeasure of playing.

Again you are assuming Anet is going to do things your way, it won’t happen, you can dream and hope, but the matches will be lopsided, many will quit logging because no one enjoys complete domination (loser or winner).

Your trying to convince the community everything will be OK because this is the way you would do things, well you are not Anet, they don’t care about your opinion (I know it sucks but the truth hurts). As I said, as a payer on AR I don’t want to be told I won because of handicaps, I want to win because it was fair, and competitive. This isn’t pre-school I don’t want a gold star for showing up.

Swamurabi.7890:

Here’s the delta Glicko Leaderboard for the past 7 weeks with the server rank at the start.

Server End Start Delta
22   Sorrow’s Furnace 1,188.49 1,026.79 161.695
19   Isle of Janthir 1,299.96 1,148.63 151.329
14   Borlis Pass 1,590.30 1,439.16 151.145
24   Eredon Terrace 1,091.69 957.332 134.356
16   Northern Shiverpeaks 1,308.02 1,215.50 92.52
18   Henge of Denravi 1,232.21 1,152.81 79.392
23   Ferguson’s Crossing 1,072.35 1,017.56 54.793
3   Jade Quarry 2,157.11 2,128.43 28.675
4   Tarnished Coast 2,037.64 2,025.18 12.464
10   Crystal Desert 1,665.37 1,654.34 11.039
6   Fort Aspenwood 1,875.22 1,867.44 7.774
17   Gate of Madness 1,183.25 1,189.51 -6.265
7   Maguuma 1,748.71 1,760.68 -11.976
15   Darkhaven 1,340.30 1,355.73 -15.426
13   Stormbluff Isle 1,416.35 1,441.59 -25.236
2   Sanctum of Rall 2,153.04 2,179.48 -26.434
1   Blackgate 2,144.83 2,184.36 -39.534
21   Devona’s Rest 1,052.35 1,093.42 -41.072
5   Dragonbrand 1,863.97 1,927.91 -63.938
8   Sea of Sorrows 1,682.15 1,747.92 -65.767
12   Yak’s Bend 1,488.32 1,560.78 -72.468
20   Anvil Rock 983.737 1,107.99 -124.256
9   Ehmry Bay 1,572.50 1,740.11 -167.616
11   Kaineng 1,421.99 1,643.07 -221.087

Looks like the best “Gold division” server is JQ finishing in 8th place. Take a look at the other stacked servers BG and SoR, coming in a respectable 16th and 17th out of 24. Makes it worth it having 24/7 queues, skill lag and megablobs doesn’t it?

Excepting CD, every server in the gold division finished lower than their inital ranking.

What do you think would happen at the end of the season if this was the results?
People would leave BG, JQ and SoR because they want to win and stacked servers can’t win in a handicap based league.

You are missing one very large factor, Fun, yes that’s right, fun. Regardless of numbers and how YOU think it will work, the lower population servers are still going to get destroyed by the higher populations. Let me rephrase that, they are going to quit playing for the entire match-up because who want to be spawn camped for 7 days ? The larger populations will have nothing else to do but spawn camp, when their opponent can’t even Que 1 map while they can Que all 4.

So really, the rewards don’t mean kitten, Glicko scores doesn’t mean kitten, what rank you are in or perceived to be in doesn’t mean kitten, its going to be a kitten show of epic proportions.

Also to be honest, the Glicko system was a joke from the start for these types of matches and now that Anet has “tweeked” it, its even more of a joke, so if they base it off of what your saying, then they should probably just pick server names out of a hat and call them winners.

Swamurabi.7890:

Straegen.2938:

I like that Anet is trying something new. However the concept that BP #10 has a chance against FA #5 or DB #6 is laughable. DB nearly doubled our score last week. I didn’t mind the uphill fight but pitting servers and corresponding rewards based on this system is ridiculous.

There is virtually no chance a 10, 11, 12 server can win against a 5, 6, 7 server. The odds have to be fantastically high.

On a high note, servers that already dominate in WxP/Karma/XP generation will continue to dominate in new rewards.

They have a chance if you use Glicko rating gained as the determining factor…

4. Tarnished Coast 314,319 -6.162
9. Crystal Desert 112,153 19.633
5. Fort Aspenwood 189,331 -13.084

6. Dragonbrand 284,547 -6.575
7. Maguuma 186,021 -37.988
11. Borlis Pass 147,545 45.069

Looks like the #9 and #11 servers beat servers #4-#7 if you look at rating change.

Do you REALLY think Anet is going to allow the entire WvW population to be stacked into a few servers?

Do we play the same game ? The answer is yes, yes they will allow population stacking … you have far to much faith in them.

I’m sure when AR has 1 WvW player left he/she will put up one hell of a fight. I’m betting its going to be a he and his name will be leeeeeroy.

I remember when Kain stormed through the ranks, it was not fun for any server facing them until they hit their wall. If I remember correctly even Kain was saying that they too were not enjoying steam rolling because after 1-2 days they had no one to fight. So not only will Leagues destroy the fun for ranks that cannot compete with higher ranks, it will also cause a snowball for the higher ranks because its just not going to be worth waiting in Que for maps that are already completely capped. This is just a kitten poor idea.

Free Transfers happened.

Shoe.5821:

Number 12 stands a chance against number 5?

i wish people would stop saying things like this, because that’s not how the matchups work.

it would be 2v9v12 or some such configuration. WvW is 1v1v1 for a reason. theoretically advantages the stronger server achieves should be limited by the weaker servers ganging up on it. For some reason this rarely happens. shrug

Do you have inside information ? Your presumption is no more legitimate than others, actually yours is less legitimate because we have all seen Anet at work. I’m willing to bet it will look more like #1v#2v#12 followed by #1v#2v#11 and so on, why do I think this ? Anet is driving this beast, and the very notion that they believe 2 leagues will work best shows how blind they are. Oh and ganging up ? really … 12 and 9 still have less than 2 so it wouldn’t matter.

Kaamau.5341:

The population Imbalances across 6 servers isn’t so bad, a smaller server at that point could rally to defeat a larger server at that point but when they are 12 ranks above you there is little hope which will lead to larger stacking and smaller servers who will be getting smaller getting stomped.

I agree, 6 wouldn’t be so bad, 12 is to much for both leagues, also watch the ranks over the next while. I’m willing to bet you see some of the top 12 throwing matches to get into the bottom 12 making the imbalance even worse.

Not at all, they don’t value their community or our input, besides why would I give them more money to put into PvE because you can bet your kitten none of it would go to WvW.

Now if they started to actually use common sence and add things we have been asking for them I might consider it, but as long as their ignoring us and brainstorming crap like Leagues that no one asked for that rewards mindless zerging/coverage, not a chance in hell.

XenusTEHG.1965:

Anvil Rock is dead in WvW what should I do? I dont have money for transfering

Bend over and hope hey are gentle, or play something else. Our server and other lower ranks have all been through the demoralization phaze and lost players but it wasn’t a huge concern because we didn’t have many to lose. Now when 50%+ of the servers go through this they might actually see the real picture, but I doubt it.

The issue with the “skill based” achievements will be, how many yaks do you think you will kill or camps will you take when all maps are covered with high coverage population ? 3/4 of the servers are going to be crushed and demoralized. I play on AR, we lost probably 75% of our WvW pop, I don’t begrudge the people that left, I hold nothing against them and wish them all the best, but, currently we have issues competing with the second lowest rank server, thats putting it nicely.

I’ve fought the other servers that would be considered high population in the lower League when we had numbers, there will be no point in logging in tbh.

But guys/gals your forgetting one key factor … the PuGs/PvE folks, surely they will all Que up now for this super awesome system and help us defeat the Server Giants of each League. They PvE ALOT I think they know a thing or two about killing Giants.

So you see all your worries are misplaced, now thakittens been cleared up why not just make 1 League so rank 24 can show Rank 1 how fierce PvE truly is.

Ok, I’m officially lost, is there somewhere that describes this new feature in detail ? By day 1 server does that means the server you originally rolled on or the server your currently on when this thing goes live.

Yip that was GG Anet.

That ASH flank, that made me smile. “Hey guys your about to be flanked and their being pretty casual about it” …. birds chirping …. “ok then I’m just gunna watch”, random AR “wtf did they come from” …. face palm.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Livestream up at http://www.twitch.tv/teambattleaxe until about 11pm CST.

FC/AR, you’re welcome to come troll us. :P

Challenge Accepted !

<3

I would like to think AR is out having fun for the most part, and if ARBL get turned green or blue … it just gives us something to do later.

insanemaniac.2456:

Nuzt.7894:

So 1 guild is doing there own thing in FC BL and its a double team ? Have you looked at ARBL ? Wow just wow … then again I guess its hard to WvW without SF there to carry their little buddy. TFH will do whatever they choose to do, 10 people is hardly something to complain about.

Then again maybe you guys just managed to kitten off TFH the other week when you and SF both played for the path of least resistance … Karma … its a kitten.

Edit: TFH should probably take this as a compliment, apparently 10 of you > FC server, the rest of AR will now take the week off you guys got this.

i never cried double team
and dont try to give me responsibility for tfh, theyll ignore their whole bl in favor of holding single structures.

responsibility for TFH ? What are you going on about now ?

Advent.6193:

Here we go with this buffoonery again:

1. First off, fellow FCers … we really can’t say frackall about a smaller server hitting us while we go toe-to-toe with a bigger one. Yea, it’s annoying as HELL, but we’ve darned well done the same.
2. Regarding Nuzt. Judging from the times when FC has managed to come in first during a matchup, most recently last week … why is there this stigma that we need
   SF —or any server-- to carry us?

Goodness, I can’t wait for an ET/FC/AR matchup. At least the three of us are typically even enough on number, that we could finally squash this kinda BS. Quit trollin us, Glicko!

Well at least you have been reading, as long as you have people posting things like “if only we had ET or SF we would be doing much better” or “we would have a fighting chance” it sounds like the people posting this need your T8 brothers to ensure you do well. Why would someone ask for another larger server like SF over a smaller server like AR for any other reason ?

I also would love to have the ET/FC/AR battle, but as long as were getting these random matches it probably won’t happen anytime soon.

I actually never said you have an alliance with GoM, if you scroll up and read I posted that the notion that you two were double teaming us seemed silly. However you suggesting that we are the ones doing it to you, because there 10 TFH in your BL and how you would be doing so much better if it was SF or ET instead of AR.

As for both hitting our BL, all BL’s are being hit by multiple enemies, GoM is just quicker at recapping.

So 1 guild is doing there own thing in FC BL and its a double team ? Have you looked at ARBL ? Wow just wow … then again I guess its hard to WvW without SF there to carry their little buddy. TFH will do whatever they choose to do, 10 people is hardly something to complain about.

Then again maybe you guys just managed to kitten off TFH the other week when you and SF both played for the path of least resistance … Karma … its a kitten.

Edit: TFH should probably take this as a compliment, apparently 10 of you > FC server, the rest of AR will now take the week off you guys got this.

Solstice.1097:

titanlectro.5029:

Fiddle Irk.9710:

Congrats GoM and FC. You have officially ruined WvW for me. Your blatant alliance is disgusting. Not only do you both outnumber us, you need to team up against us? PATHETIC. Not only pathetic but you’re driving off any new players we try to get into because no one really wants to be rolled over by a twenty to one mob, much less try to face two servers doing so. Not much fun when you can’t get out the door, not much point.
And those complaints about arrow carts ruining wvw in the other thread, about how they’re a “crutch” for low population servers now? After this past week I wouldn’t feel bad at all about one shotting a whole zerg with one. So dev’s, in my opinion, crank’em up even more. In fact here’s a good idea, add some nuke’s to the arsonal so I could one shot a whole BL. To be fair, give ‘em a five minute cool down…..
Sorry Darkothe for being the first to “whine” but this sucks bad for all of us in AR and is driving off the few we can muster, including me. Have fun dukeing it out 1v1 with GoM, we’ve pretty much given up.

You must be new here… allow me to explain.

When one team has literally no coverage, then the other two teams fight over their territory. We are not allied, far from it! We are trying to deny each other points.

If GoM was really playing hardball, we would just camp AR BL 24/7 and get an insane PPT. Instead we have been focusing FC all week. If anyone has a reason to complain it is FC, because they should have WAY higher PPT than AR, except that we focus them.

The sad truth is that AR is getting rolled by the “leftovers” from the FC vs GoM war. But you don’t need to think about this as a demoralizing defeat. Some of my favorite times in WvW where when we were constantly being destroyed by DH. Don’t worry about “winning” and focus on doing the best you can with what you have. If they send 50 people to kill your 5 man, take it as a complement.

Yea, we would be doing really well if it was FC/GoM/ET or FC/GoM/SF. Instead, we have a virtual 1v1 with GoM while we are disadvantaged because we have AR as a thorn in our side (AR hits us 5x more often than they hit GoM). Meanwhile while we are usually busy fighting off a 1v2, GoM gobbles up AR’s points and ensures their lead stays large. Every time we are matched with AR our evolution is negative because of this exact reason. GoM doesn’t even have to be very careful when they hit us, because the chance they will have to go defend against AR is almost non-existent (unless they are defending AR’s own keeps against them).

So yes AR you are doing the same thing to us and why you’re complaining I’m not sure because you are actually doing better than you technically should be. Right now you are tied first PPT.

So even after GoM admits they are hitting you, its AR’s fault ? We are hitting both GoM and FC we don’t discriminate. Its not like theres a large 50 man force of AR camped out in FCBL avoiding GoM. We at AR like fighting GoM, always have and always will, if you can’t handle the 3 AR in your BL your doing it wrong.

Fiddle Irk.9710:

Congrats GoM and FC. You have officially ruined WvW for me. Your blatant alliance is disgusting. Not only do you both outnumber us, you need to team up against us? PATHETIC. Not only pathetic but you’re driving off any new players we try to get into because no one really wants to be rolled over by a twenty to one mob, much less try to face two servers doing so. Not much fun when you can’t get out the door, not much point.
And those complaints about arrow carts ruining wvw in the other thread, about how they’re a “crutch” for low population servers now? After this past week I wouldn’t feel bad at all about one shotting a whole zerg with one. So dev’s, in my opinion, crank’em up even more. In fact here’s a good idea, add some nuke’s to the arsonal so I could one shot a whole BL. To be fair, give ‘em a five minute cool down…..
Sorry Darkothe for being the first to “whine” but this sucks bad for all of us in AR and is driving off the few we can muster, including me. Have fun dukeing it out 1v1 with GoM, we’ve pretty much given up.

To be fair, I seriously doubt GoM would side with FC. From what I have seen of FC they tend to try and avoid the larger server of the 3. So while it may seem like a double team (which I do not believe it does) its just GoM being larger and capable of having more bodies available and FC fighting the battles they feel are more on par with them.

You can’t blame either of them for AR’s kamikaze balls deep hard head thought process, its simply what we do. Even if we lose the fight were going to take a couple with us.

Johje Holan.4607:

Asudementio.8526:

A list of added content:

5 WvW ruins in the borderlands, when you hold 3 you get a buff.

This is all that really matters. Did they go into details? Can you elaborate please? I can’t watch it at work, its blocked, those kittens!

Basically there is five points around the lake very much like a SPvP capture point (don’t go all ape kitten I’m only using SPvP as and example to describe the point) if you cap and hold 3 you get the bloodlust buff. Its looks as if they will flip every few seconds though, realistically you won’t leave a zerg to guard it so the enemy zerg can storm in, cap, and move on. They didn’t go into detail so maybe there will be something put in place to prevent this but, as it is, it looks like a speed bump for a zerg.

There is still a giant lake wasting space …. sure the cap points are a good addition but, just get rid of the lake already.

Soloing is viable, I would say more so in lower tiers (yes I am aware there is no tiers). I do fine, I win some, I lose some, I make a profit, I contribute by slapping a yak throughout my travels or by taking a camp.

I`m not sure what OP is asking for I guess É

Someone needs to spend less time posting and more time reading The art of war.

There is no logic, their game play expierence =/= your game play expierence, as soon as ppl wrap their heads around that, then and only then will ppl realize who is to blame. If their GvG gets interupted by random WvW stuff, then your right, they have no reason to kitten, just as WvW players have no reason to complain about the GvG. The bottom line is Anet is incompetant, so both sides need to stop blaming each other and throw their complaints at Anet.

sostronk.8167:

Blackgate lost a T3 garrison mid week a couple of weeks back because we only had around 30 to defend against an 80 man assault. We had the numbers to defend, but we couldn’t get them onto the map because of the GvG (guild and spectators). Yeah it obviously effects WvW. Takes a long time to recover from a garrison reset. With organization and being considerate though, these things should not happen. There are plenty of times where GvG won’t effect WvW.

This speaks volumes, so basically you lost 20 ppl because of the GvG. The other 30+ that would have brought you to even numbers found watching others fight more interesting then WvW itself …

Is the problem GvG or the lack of attention Anet gives WvW to make it exciting ?

You all need to dislodge your heads and place blame where it is deserved. Anet released … are you ready for this … “GUILD WARS” 2 without the ability for guilds to combat one another, Anet has neglected WvW for a year, and yet somehow this has become the individual guilds fault. You ppl complaining disgust me, open your eyes and stop being lemmings. If your truly upset, start complaining to Anet, you will see just how much they care.

Time lock is a terrible idea, essentially your saying X time is more important then Y time thus Y time shouldn’t matter. I play NA Mountain time, however, I also work late quite often, if I’m going to log on at 3:00am my time, then my contribution should matter.

Time zones will always be an issue, but that does not mean X time is more important then Y time, a step in the right direction would be to start basing server population off of WvW. PvE has guesting, the PvE population is irrelevant, maybe if the mid-lower tiers were considerably cheaper (currently they cost the same as higher tiers with a few acceptions) people might think about transfering to something other then “Tier 1”.

I’m guessing so they can claim they did work on WvW.

KyoHanakaze.8145:

HatSimulator.9362:

AR doesnt have massive zergs.. or we’d be winning dude.

You think you don’t have massive zergs? you are delusional. A false belief or opinion: this week, the biggest AR zerg I’ve seen was 30. Exactly 30. and it didn’t match hod numbers in any way.
If you want to zerg move to t5 and ^ and stay there.
also, someone once said VLK does small man roaming, all I’ve seen are VLK in huge zergs with the rest of your fairweather PvE’rs

You cannot sit back and say you dont have massive numbers. 30+ taking paper towers all night long tonight that started with a 4 golem rush with over 40

AR might not have massive zergs now, but once upon a time not a few months ago they did. Much bigger than anything HoD could muster right now.

HoD has zergs. We don’t have small zergs, nor do we have massive zergs.

Like I’ve said, our numbers are far from being worth of T5.

Darkhaven, SBI and Kaineng are the servers that would occupy T5 right now, all servers that massively outzerg us by a long shot; we just got out of a week against Kain, trust me, I know.

VLK DOES usually do small-man roaming. We’ve had a much higher participation this week simply because most of us were around and fighting the good fight when we were against GoM for the longest time, so we have a special relationship with them.

Anyways, doesn’t matter what I say, you’re just going to insist otherwise.

I’ve seen a few VLK solo/duo/small mans, as well as larger groups. For the most part the solo-small mans seem pretty respectful about not demolishing me when I was solo. I’m just confirming that they don’t always run in zergs.

I play AR.