Guild Wars 2

SoS Garri was alot of fun, I wouldn’t go as far as to say were being double teamed but that Garri fight is a good indication of what were dealing with. Fighting both servers from two different sides was alot of fun though, but the skill lag … not so much. I couldn’t imagine what a true T1 match would be like as far as the skill lag is concerned.

I notice the server Devon will be going to was matched to the point where they couldn’t gain rank to slip into silver. Typically I would laugh something like this off as a conspiracy theory, but, its Devon after all and he will want to be top of bronze so he can explain how super great his league idea was.

Your match ensures NSP to lose rating, this keeps them in Bronze League, the potential for them to creep into silver was there. Coincidence ?

Sounds like Mag has a crush on SBI, let em down easy guys.

My only real concern at this point is, while you have been open minded Chris and allowed us to vent a little while still discussing concerns I don’t have the faith that all the Devs will handle it as you do. I hope that I am wrong because it would be nice to have discussions such as this thread (though at little less all over the place) but I don’t see it happening, there has been many great ideas that have been shut down with no discussion for what seems like nothing more then it wasn’t the Dev’s idea so it couldn’t possibly work. I think this is where some people were going with the ego’s earlier in the thread. I really do hope the others are as patient and considerate as you have been, sometimes even if an idea can’t be done for whatever reason, its nice to hear “thats a good idea, and while we can’t do exactly that we may be able to do something along those line”.

Leagues were a good example, the team was going forward with 2 leagues regardless of how much the community complained or even pointed out logical reason’s why it was a bad idea. Finally weeks later with many, many posts, and much complaining the team sort of listened.

Lonesamurai.4852:

Issues that need fixing…

Expansions
More indepth LFG system
Trading System (massively inflated prices on some, but LOADS of items on sell prices under vendor price)
International District (Bring the community back together)
PvP ranking system account bound
Craftable Precursors

There is more to the list on my desk, but they are personal things

Cantha and Elona are a must, but make them EXPANSIONS, not stand alone, even unhappy, most of us will still buy them for the areas and new places to see

GW1 Armour skins… Now c’mon Chris, you must admit having a female dervish armour in the armour vendors hut in WvW is a horrible tease…

Maybe we can look forward to seeing the Dervish in the future ? /pray

Xcom.1926:

Xavi.6591:

60 players is not correct. That is way too low.

You think there are more than about 180-200 people per map?

At times … yes.

But it is hard to say, I mean when you see a blob of red coming at you, its natural to believe there’s 5-6 hundred in the blob

GrandmaFunk.3052:

my points was that everyone has at least one option to get their movement speed to 25%+ if they want to prioritize for that. Some of those options are better/easier than others… and that’s kind of the whole point to having classes and builds.

I do agree with you, Its more about the fact that there is 2 classes that a speed signet doesn’t really fit with. Nothing against those classes and I’m not suggesting it should be taken away, I just don’t see the logic to give it to them in the first place. If were using this logic every class should have the option of a passive 25% boost.

But now were off topic, as I said some classes need a boost to mobility others need to have it toned down.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

every class that doesn’t have the passive 25% signet can build for swiftness with 80%+ uptime.

But are restricted to a weapon type. thats 2-5 abilities vs. 1 utility. If its good enough for a Necro then it should be fine for everyone.

I really hope that one of the first and foremost discussions regarding WvW will be the backwards way of working transfer costs. The community is pleading, and it seems to be falling on deaf ears Chris. If and when you guys have time please look into basing pricing off of ranks VS. over all population, the WvW population imbalance is getting worse by the day and many are getting to the point of “why bother” it seems.

There is really no point in beating the horse anymore, us the minority are well aware of the issue, one would think its pretty obvious to Anet but I guess its not. They did this earlier in the year, the same concerns were raised, the same concerns were ignored. I don’t see what’s different now, just accept the fact that they don’t care and move on.

So have we ever determined if one server can cause a Que for the others ? As in, the limit is 300 one server could have 200 leaving the other two with only 100 to split between them ?

It would be nice if all classes were given a speed signet, or give an under used class an AoE speed signet. I only say this because, if it was Rangers and Thieves I would understand the scouting aspect of the signet, but lets face it, Necro’s and Ele’s are not really scouting classes so if they can justify giving these two classes the signets then everyone should have them. As for ability mobility, some classes need boosts others need to be toned down.

Grimthagen.6019:

Erick Alastor.3917:

No one will be forced to respond, and invasiveness will be minimal.

My main concern with this would be the fact that if no one is forced to respond, then you will get self-selection bias incorporated into the poll and the whole thing becomes questionable.

For a poll to be of value, it has to take a relatively unbiased cross-section of a population. In this case, MMO developers have the opportunity to actually capture the opinion of every single one of their active players. There are marketing agencies and departments that would give body parts to have that kind of access to their target markets.

I’ve never really understood why MMO developers past and present haven’t taken greater advantage of this unique capability they’ve been given.

Its as simple as voting, the option to use it is there for everyone, if some choose not to use it then they don’t reserve the right to complain about what they couldn’t be bothered to participate in,

Chris Whiteside.6102:

So by the way we have two main topics of conversation now:

1: Polls: Every seems to like them but where do they go?
2: Game Feedback Collaboration: How do we want to do this?

Chris

I would say either the Poll/Survey NPC’s, or Login Screen poll both seemed like good ideas. The only reason I would prefer NPC’s is they can be placed in the appropriate area, so a player’like myself who really has no interest in PvE doesn’s have to sift through a poll to find the WvW relevant items.

Asuka Shikinami.5462:

2996kittenris Whiteside.6102:

nethykins.7986:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

minbariguy.7504:

I want to echo the people who have recently been requesting in-game polls. Since currently there has been no real acknowledgement or response to player dissatisfaction with the pace of Living Story releases, I have chosen to simply not log in at all to avoid being counted as a “satisfied customer” in your concurrency metrics.

An in-game poll where I would have the chance to have my opinions actually be counted would be something worth logging in for.

I think this is an idea worth discussion for sure. But i have a question:

Would in game polls affect the immersion for the player?

Chris

But what constitutes as “Immersion”?

…you guys had said you didn’t want to do things like fight with town clothes because it “broke immersion”, but, like…can we say that the LFG tool breaks immersion? Not too sure we can if you were keen to add it

Good point. So for me immersion breaking would be a pop up appearing after an event completes or following beating a dungeon. But you raise an interesting point with LFG. Perhaps (and i am just brainstorming here) it could be a tab that you can open up to give feedback.

I will think about it some more. Keep the ideas coming.

Chris

- Seiging a T3 keep
- Just broke through outer
- Attacker stacks, fire fields, drops veils
- ‘Hi, how do you feel about guild wars 2 today?’ popup appears
- Guild stop fighting, keep lord takes a tea break while everyone fills in survey. Warriors clean their banners, guardians polish the golems.
- War resumes.

I can see that happening.

Put a survey/poll NPC at spawns, this same method could be used outside of dungeons, after events (similar to karma vendors appearing after temples). Players could then choose to either take the time to fill it out or ignore it completely.

A poll or survey would be great for WvW, I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt any other aspect of the game either. It seems the WvW community and Dev Team seem to be more out of touch than other areas of the game, which as I’m sure your aware causes hostility. I can honestly say it seems at times that particular team just ignores everything and throws out random things that make no sense at all. Its kind of like us saying we want some pie, they reply with “here’s some cake”, “well thank you for the cake but we really wanted pie”, “no you want cake, now eat it and enjoy it”.

Would it not be better to maybe make a sticky in each section, PvE, WvW, and SPvP so the appropriate team can comment and collaborate with each community ?
Keep them heavily moderated to filter out that anger if you like, but my concern is one big open free for all like this, things will get lost and before you know it the seperate communities will be fighting over who’s playtime is more important

it wasn’t a stream it was a forum Q&A

Yip big waste of time, not surprised.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

I’m not going to be around a computer tomorrow for the live QA session. Anybody want to be a pal and post this to Devon for me? It’s a proposal to balance league play.

http://youtu.be/qHcO6Xo8eJ8

Appears to have been posted and quickly ignored. /shock face

The Q&A have begun.

Ya, this was posted last week when they first announced it. It’s a big problem for low ranked server’s unfortunately they don’t seem care and it doesn’t look like they are going to change anything about how their transfer costs work.

Just once it would be awesome if they listened to their community, whether we are the minority or not, we really are trying to help balance out the current participation issues for WvW.

Don’t ge me wrong I’m sure BP and other could use some incoming bodies, but, it would probably be better to work from the bottom up.

bob.8632:

Nuzt.7894:

So you want to be able to avoid a Que, which in turn means someone participating gets the boot ? Makes perfect sense, I really have zero sympathy, I’m guessing your on JQ/BG/SoR/TC ?

This is what happens when servers stack, enjoy your Que.

Nm I see your on an EU, your right people will flock to bigger server with lots of action but big servers with lots of action come with a cost, Ques are one of these costs.\

Again Enjoy your Que.

bob.8632:

1. ANET never intended on WvW being a primary method of gameplay.
2. As such they never allowed for players picking a server based on “WvW population”.
3. Once players started to figure this out they “corrected” the error by migrating to servers with higher wvw-populations.
4. Along the way people that wanted to “win” a meaningless contest also migrated.
5. Servers began filling up, queues got worse, skill lag got worse.

5a. People ignorantly blame hightier players for “stacking”.
5b. Some people realize it is just as much ANET’s fault as the players.

I didn’t blame anyone, good reading comprehension. I’ll repeat, this is what happens when server’s stack, having constant action on large servers come with a cost, part of this cost is Ques. No I don’t have any sympathy for those stuck in Ques, however, that doesn’t mean I’m blaming the individuals or Anet. It simply is part of having a large population, if you want to avoid that, you have the option to transfer, if you don’t want to transfer, enjoy your Que.

So you want to be able to avoid a Que, which in turn means someone participating gets the boot ? Makes perfect sense, I really have zero sympathy, I’m guessing your on JQ/BG/SoR/TC ?

This is what happens when servers stack, enjoy your Que.

Nm I see your on an EU, your right people will flock to bigger server with lots of action but big servers with lots of action come with a cost, Ques are one of these costs.\

Again Enjoy your Que.

I wouldn’t call it complicated, all green servers are essentially 1 team as is all blue, and all red. Combined points gives a total, you can guest within your color to help boost scores across the ranks.

Brando.1374:

skullmount.1758:

I don’t expect much from it, and its not even cause its Devon (who I don’t have a problem with). Its just going to be typical Anet answers, “We can’t talk about it right now”, “Anythings possible”, etc.

or their most popular response…..“soon”

Exactly, I hope they prove me wrong but I expect alot of dancing around the question at hand while never really answering it.

Honestly, I expect alot of soon, our metrics, were looking for, were trying to, and of course our server are not capable of.

I really don’t mean this as an insult, but please don’t get to excited and think your going to get all these super awesome solid answers. With his track record, Devon will probably dance around the questions while not actually answer the more concerning ones. I hope I’m wrong, I hope he has some solid answers for the community going forward so we can put some of the concerns to rest.

baseballguy.4865:

Players that are dead should only see the Map.

They should not be scouts, they died like a looser.

While trying to insult players, please make sure your insults are spelled correctly so you don’t look like a complete fool.

Should be tomorrow, the original post was made Oct 8 (today) so the Q&A will be tomorrow at 5 ET.

I’m surprised how well BG is doing according to Millenium, with the loss of Guilds and what not you guys seem to be still holding your own.

As for the Canadian server, you should be bilingual as English is our native language. Also do what the Aussie’s did, claim X server as the unofficial Quebec server.

I was using your server as an example because it was axe posting, it wasn’t to suggest it happens.

As I said I like it, its nice to see the guesting used in an intelligent way. T1 is having a blow out week and are 100k+ ahead of their opponents they can look at the matches and say oh look GoM is getting their kitten handed to them, we can spare 100 people sitting in our Q to go turn things around.

Wow, this would be great, won’t happen for Season 1 because its to close to the start but it would be awesome if Devon took a look at this, I think even Devon would have a hard time making any arguments on how this would be a bad thing.

Here’s hoping it doesn’t get shuffled to the suggestion forum to die before a Dev Reply/Review.

We should try and keep it bumped as well so it can be seen by the team.

But but, the Variety of matches … think of the Variety !

Its clearly more important than balance.

Zosk.5609:

With the exception of the top 3 servers and the free transfers there to make ‘WvW-teh-awesome!!’… I don’t see any reason to believe that population doesn’t generally correspond to WvW participation on a server.

Have any evidence?

Is that you Devon ?

If you really believe this no amount of proof will change your mind, its pretty aparent to most people that Server population has very little to do with WvW participation/Population. Those of use that have spent a large amount of our time on low ranked server’s that are considered Very High realize what having outnumbered 75% of the time means.

But again, with a comment like yours, no amount of proof would help you to dislodge your head.

It would be unfair and cause griefing of they gave the outnumbered stats, on the flip side its perfectly logical and fine to afford the winning team a greater advantage over bloodlust. In other news No sometimes means Yes.

I’m sure this is important because TC has never glitched into any structure, I’m sure it didn’t happen earlier today in hills. They were killed by guards, I laughed.

They don’t haver to base it off of participation, make it easy, base it off server ranking and lock the top 4 already.

Agree with everything except the adding new areas, I don’t care for the buff or the cap point but the area itself is refreshing.

Oxe.6142:

Free transfers to low pop servers is a good thing. Simultaneously lowering the cost of transferring to high pop servers is destructive. The idea is to get people off high pop servers and spread the population around, not make it easier to load servers up.

@OP, your view of it is backwards.

Its not a good thing at all, as many of us have said, Server Population has NOTHING to do with WvW population, look at the NA servers, the bottom 3 are all very high/high and yet they can’t pull enough numbers to compete. Its frustrating watching Anet put on their blinders time and again so they can completely avoid the true problem/picture.

WTB a dev that actually REALLY cares about WvW, and has the capability to see past Server population.

Not one bit, it does nothing to help the server’s that are need of help with the exception of Vabbi. Anet really needs to learn Over all population has nothing to do with the struggling WvW populations.

This does nothing to help the server’s that actually need help, the lowest ranked server’s in NA are all considered very high/high because of over all population.

Can’t say I’m shocked by this, although I am extremely dissapointed in the complete ignorance towards struggling WvW populations.

Its true, anytime someone suggests this it gets shuffled off to the suggestion forum to die. It makes it easier for anet to ignore it.

Not a fan of the idea, also regarding que’s , those that stacked can rot in their que.

Player Character.9467:

Rama.6439:

Fuzzion.2504:

Tietus.8013:

This is what I don’t understand about the T1 servers recent recruitment drives for more people. You’ll spend 4-6 out of the 7 weeks in the league being bored kittenless. People really transfer for some poxy finisher??? Amazing!

Not really true. T1 and T2 can be fun. Its just that fighting a t3 server like SoS is utterly boring.

Also Mag stands to gain from potential recruitment drives if they get into the gold league.

Very true, most people in the lower tiers play for ppt, in the higher tiers we also play for ppt, but we also play mainly for the fights, the fights in T1 are just outstanding and running with an organized guild of 40-50+ in a BL is amazing, you can’t get that anywhere else accept in T1.

Like this week we have FA and SoS, we take it as a week to level alts and farm champs in EBG, like a vacation in WvW, boring for most, fun for some.

So you LIKE and find it AMAZING to run around in a massive blob of skill lag that can’t do anything but rely on passives and your auto chain going off because the server will do that for you?

Skill lag has the word Skill in it, therefore they have skilled fights … its not easy being able to mash 1 faster then your opponent.

The first week to possibly to the end of the first month, they may have been a little helpful for people to find home with proper time zone play time ect. Anything over that 1 month mark was a huge mistake imo. That and making the cost to transfer the same currency for a low rank server vs. high rank because of over all server population is just not well thought out.

Why transfer to a low rank with crappy WvW pop when you can shoot up the ranks for the same price ?

Hard to say, its not game breaking in anyway so I would lean towards it’s fine, however, I am not Anet and they very well may view this as game breaking. It would be nice if a Anet cleared this up.

The real issue is if they allow this, it opens the door for macro’s for other uses that may nbot be so inocent in nature. Slippery slope and only Anet can answer this one.

Probably any server with little to no Que that accomidates your play time, I’m not sure what times EU translates to in NA. But, asking which is a good server … you had to realize every poster is going to tell you their server is a good one.