Its a magical place full of unicorns and munchkins. But I shouldn’t have to explain that to you, I’m sure you have been [Lost] there on several occasions.
I’m sure you did go through a ton of merchants, all that PvE while you guys were throwing the match because you couldn’t cut it must have filled your bags fast. I personally wouldn’t brag about that though, this is a WvW forum after all.
Ahh nutz your counter trolls once again prove the only ones I can respect and actually laugh at, touché my nemesis touché…though you did screw up the tag it’s [Lost]…or [Lynx] or [Jyst] ha now your really confused of who’s trolling you!
Aparently I am, been to busy at work this week to play the forum games, I’ll do my best to chime in when I can.
We could handle IoJ and AR coming at us frequently in droves. Both servers were gunning for us, but IoJ’s numbers aren’t as numerous as BP’s, and so we could hold them at bay while we focused primarily on AR. This week, we haven’t even been able to keep a hold on our BL because of BP’s presence there, and AR, although not focusing primarily on us now, is still a thick presence in the mist that keeps us from having easy points. The real thing that has been keeping us from beating AR is that you guys are always in our BL, and have held our Hills for practically the entire week, stealing 25 ppt that we could be using to be ahead of AR. It’s a three-way match-up, and BP’s work on us limits our ability to deal with AR and so forth.
You guys (BP) have far higher numbers than other servers we’ve encountered, and way more than your server rank indicates. I am pretty confident that BP could go toe-to-toe with YB, for example, without issue, and that you’d probably have a better match-up with them and EB. I think a really good match-up for SBI / AR would be CD (although they just got some huge transfers, so this might no longer be true).
Even if its true, don’t be telling them they have numbers, they don’t take to kindly to that. SBI and AR are just not on BP’s skill level. They do have numbers, but I think its more of a “hey look were fighting AR” so more come out for the fun, we do have a long history.
How’s that about 100 ppt tick been treating ya AR? Did you ever get bay back, was nicely upgrading when I logged :p hmmm pajama party one of the classic AR excuses for losing…still waiting for the “it was a PVE week” one too
Common now, I can see the native BP ppl talking some smack about us losing but you still haven’t earned those stripes. I guess it would actually make you terrible, because you have [lost] lol to AR several times.
Once you’ve been around for awhile then yeah you can talk about us losing to you, but don’t get ahead of yourself just yet.
PS: we were double teamed, outmanned, some dragon event, took a week off, didn’t want BURN/GOAT to leave so we threw it, played for second, and last but not least we were all in SPvP. There ya go excuses fulfilled.
Nope I can’t, but then I’m not spec’d into AC so I really couldn’t.
My original quote was directed towards the playing for second comment, I really didn’t intend for the AC thing to overshadow that. I just found it funny but hey, whatever makes peoples bums hum.
And AR is still coming in 2nd, or well according to the medal chart, last quite a bit
Heres the problem, go read the BP forums (most of it is a pretty funny read) according to these forums we play for second, according to your forums we shouldn’t be hitting BP even though they are in first because what did you do to deserve it. I’m just curious now … who exactly are we suppose to hit so no one is offended ?
I did enjoy the “ALS commander using hacks to cap their BL” thread, even when another BP pointed out the placement of the AC works people deny it.
Strong words coming from the server who is incapable of taking anything major on our bl and is scared kittenless of us in the open field… Go back to SBI bl while they are not playing to make yourself feel better about you points.
LOL, We fought SBI for hours on even numbers until they gave up on us and went to EB to take all of your stuff. And scared in the open field lol? You must be joking right? Thats what you guys do hide in towers until you out number our attacking force by 3 to 1.
I don’t think its possible to fit that many in a tower, just saying. So I call BS.
kitten ed ? no , Bored at work ? definately. Why would I read all your posts, your just that angry guy who got your kitten pushed in by AR and can’t let it go, thus you should have remained on NSP so you could continue dreaming of what could have been with the rest of the garbage.
I will say you are keeping me entertained atm though so kudo’s for that.
‘Scarred kitten less of us in open field’ that’s drop dead hilarious coming from ALS, everytime we see you guys and we have anywhere close to even numbers its badge city! AR war guild I do actually respect you guys you are a tough guild ill say, no I won’t come to AR tho…ever
Maybe you should go back to your little kitten server and practice trolling, you really are bad at it. Also I’m sure BP loves having the NSP quitters, you quit matches, you quit servers, you should probably quit posting because your looking stupid and dragging BP into it which I’m sure many of them are thrilled about. You don’t get on our level because you bought gems, you are and always be on a NSP level, so basically laughable.
First, its awesome to see you solo dominating another game, and on top of that your not playing that rediculous necro. So I’ve skimmed through and haven’t seen anything about a second pet, do you go with a second feline ?
It makes perfect sense, and is the way it should be … Brains/Organization > Ignorance/Unorganized.
Numbers shouldn’t mean anything if your all just drooling and tripping over each other, in fact friendly fire should be added just for those situations so the organized players can sit back and watch baddies kill themselves.
Taking a keep or a tower should be difficult, its not … at all. Even with a large force bashing on the gate/wall it should take time and strategy … it doesn’t. Oil should one shot players who are not running rams, heals should be timed while oil is on CD. Players running rams should get a buff to reduce oil damage.
I agree, They should have oil/cannons on raised platforms out of player range, you should have to use siege to destroy both. Or add alot more health to both so they are actually useful. I gotta say, I have honestly never wasted my time on Oil, I wouldn’t waste supplies building it either.
Terrible idea, if you want to rep another server or help them out, transfer, if you want map completion andf don’t want to help work for it, transfer. WvW players have to put up with PvE BS for map completion, so PvE players need to stop complaining and put up with WvW for completion.
This is what happens when someone wakes up with an idea and doesn’t think it through. I would be firing someone right about now if they didn’t have a presentation on how this would work long term.
Personally I hate it, I don’t know how many 1vs.X fights I have lost due to downed. I get why its there but I still don’t like it. I think since they plan on keeping it around, double the incombat rez speed.
I’m sure you guys are over it, however, what’s to stop Anet from pulling this kind of kitten with no notice in regards to whatever the hell they feel like. Its more the fact that they have so little respect for the WvW community that they couldn’t even be decent enough to give notice.
Its a complete lack of respect for their players, it not what they did, its how they did it.
Wow Anet zero warning and you try suggesting that they weren’t thrown under the bus ? I’m disgusted, someone at the office needs a slap upside the head.
Agree with #1 but not so much #2, I always thought that one of the “undesirable” classes should have a signate that boost speed by 25% like Ele, Necro, Thief, Ranger however it should be a passive AoE that only affects party members. Maybe give it to the Engi to make them more desirable in grp play.
Its been that way all night for me, but not just bay, its random when I join a BL thats not our own. I will be running around then dropped, no lag, no warning, just dropped to character select. I have heard a few ppl talking about it so its not just you and its not just bay.
The trend of wanting a cap is a reach for easy mode more so then not having a cap. Your asking that players don’t have to think, they don’t have to move, they can just ignore AoE’s with the current model. Without a cap they would have to adapt and position, as they should have to do. Do you honestly believe the smaller group is going to stand still and just AoE and the larger group will stand still and just die ?
Its Anets way of ignoring it, now we will get all the PvE QQ about their 5 minute dungeon runs turning into 3 minute dungeons runs. Anet can then justify not doing anything because god forbid they do anything for WvW over PvE.
I’m sure there is several voice coms available on GoM. Most servers have an alliance and I would like to think that the alliances have at least 1 main vopice com available, just ask around, theres plenty of good folks on GoM that I’m sure would help you out or point you in the right direction.
Removing AoE cap altogether is probably not the best solution. I mean, you all think about the elementalist perspective. Let me give you my thief perspective: Shadow Refuge + Zerg + No AoE cap = Invisible army just like before the end of culling.
You really want to get back to that?
This is the only valid argument I have seen, I’m sure there would be a work around but I’ll admit I’m not sure how without nerfing AoE stealths.
For the game to be balanced both single target and AOE need to be balanced or everyone would role an elementalist and single target builds would never be used.
It also messes up the balance between classes. If my engineer can do AOE damage at 1500 range and your Elementalist cant, enough engineers could wipe your zerg before you got into range. The Elementalist would need a higher DPS per skill to counter the range between the two classes.
Dodging is not infinite, you can only dodge twice per X amount of time, so claiming players can dodge to avoid damage is silly when I could use 5 skills before your 3rd dodge is possible.
Okay, lets address all three main points here quickly.
1) No one will aim for single-target builds, yeah, no. AoE damage is still paltry in comparison to single-target and even if it did happen ,good. WvW is about lots of players. The counter to lots of players is lots of damage to lots of players. This is pretty basic logic, I would hope even the most base WvW player takes that into account.
2) If your engineer can PBAoE kill me from range before I get close, then the engineer needs a nerf. Fact is, it can’t. Invalid argument. If there is lots of players running up, the same thing will happen, they won’t be dead.
3) Dodging isn’t the only way to get out of a circle… I’m pretty sure walking out is a fairly practical method.
1. So single target builds should be removed from the game instead of balanced to compete with AOE? Logic.
2. Thats a debate in itself, if i have a superior range that you cant get into or you have lost 1/3+ of your health before you can defend yourself thats a problem especially if you are in a large group. If your entire zerg can have that much health removed from it before it can attack back thats a balance problem
Against a single target in melee range my engineer build can do over 12k damage within a few seconds to 5 targets if the attacks crit. Two engineers doing that could kill 5 players instantly. If it wasn’t for the high glass cannon requirement for that kind of build and if the aoe limit didnt exist you would get alot of zergs getting wiped by small groups of players that take them by surprise.
Melee characters would be useless against range if ranged could wipe half a zerg before the melee got into attack range. The reason the AOE limit works is because 5 players can’t easily wipe 30 so even if they score a few kills the melee range players will still get to the ranged in time to attack.
3. dodging is the only way to get out of some AOE skills since the first warning you get is the red circle on the ground, firestorm for example. If you are crippled you arent escaping that and if the game lags slightly you wont be able to escape that circle in time. without the aoe limit that could be an instant kill if the attacks used the skill at the same time at the same target.
Single target has its place, just as AoE has its place, just because you refuse to acknowledge this does not mean the rest of us do not understand this. There is a reason they both exist, and its quite aparent you refuse to see this so don’t expect anyone to explain it to you.
@Luna, nothing wrong with that, alot of games use the center of the AoE as the most potent damage, the further you are from the center the less damage you take.
The bottom line is, GW2 has so much mobility available there is no reason for anyone to be stuck standing in an AoE for its duration. Several stun breakers, several blinks, portals, dodge rolls, the list goes on. People would just have to learn that they can use more then the #1 key.
Upgrading camps is a pretty big deal when trying to upgrade near towers or keeps. You just need to be diligent in protecting them.
Upgrades causes friction, friction causes intense battles.It’s all good.
This sums it up nicely, instead of flipping a camp, upgrading then running off to join your zergball maybe some people could stay back and guard the camp. This is not an Anet issue this is a players not willing to do anything but run ikittenerg issue. Your commander should be asking for a small group of players to watch the camp while they zerg works on the nearby tower.
I love guarding camps, I get lots of fights, the camp doesn’t flip every 3 minutes (unless its another mega zerg) and if I’m outnumbered the guards tend to buy me enough time to hold off the attackers until reinforcements arive.
Devs just need to stop putting training wheels on everything, Pv kitten uppose to be challenging, it is suppose to have a learning curve. All they have done currently is help players get progressively worse, they don’t move out of AoE because they don’t have to, if this game had a /follow or /stick option all it would be is one commander and 40 AFK players with a penny wedged into the #1 key. Its pathetic, players should be forced to get better, learn to react, and at the very least play the game.
That video just proved my point, ty. If they had turned left at the top and thrown their own AoE’s the results would have been the opposite, but they didn’t they ran head first into the AoE like a bunch of mindless lemmings.
Siege equipment already gets hit by AoE, if you don’t spread it out your doing it wrong. As for dungeond … really ? They are so brainlessly easy right now, does it really matter ?
So you want to make it so Staff Elementalists (and other AoE abusing builds) can take down entire zergs by themselves and become massively overpowered? Because that’s probably what would happen, causing ANet to pull a massive AoE nerf across the board that would effect PvE as well and make AoE useless. I SAY NAY!
Do you die now if your in an Ele’s AoE ? Don’t stand in the AoE, it really is that simple.
If you refuse to move out of the AoE, you deserve to die.
I agree with the OP. Everyone is so afraid that they will be killed by a small group, your zerg has AoE’s as well, use them, there is no reason zergs should die to a small group ever.
Any zerg will have the capability of a small group and then some. The small group wiping a zerg is a rediculous argument, it just goes to show that even zerglings think they are terrible at the game.
Depending on time zone, all tiers ( with the exception of 8 ) are healthy during NA time frames. Now if you want rediculous zerg fests that never stop with little to no option of running with anything but a zerg then look at the higher tiers, if your looking for all aspects from group play to zerg warfare, the lower tiers will be better suited for you.
As far as how to spec, Guardians have many many different specs that are viable, Rangers … not so much, both are fun but it seems currently Rangers have 1 or 2 specs that work and the rest are garbage.
Keep in mind this is on my laptop not my PC, I could boost some of it higher but really I don’t care all that much. Performance > Fancy Pixels. My Laptop runs with these setting with no issues.
