Guild Wars 2

It is pretty viable if you ignore, medi, thief and mesmer.

Sweetbread.4701:

It’s been pretty apparent that Anet doesn’t give a kitten about actually balancing their game. The fact that the current meta can be called “the most balanced it’s ever been” is REALLY sad since it’s basically just dominated by whichever builds have the least counterplay/the worst design. We haven’t been getting any actual meaningful balance changes so they might as well spice it up a bit and open up some crazy new build options instead. Who knows, maybe when everything’s overhauled they’ll actually commit to toning down the mind blowingly obvious OP kitten, but I’m not exactly holding my breath.

As much as I dog on I Arena net for their terrible balance, it might be a good idea to tone down on the hyperbole just a little bit.

You can’t make an argument that they don’t care about balance after releasing all these changes. Although I don’t like the changes for the elementalist.

Quoting myself.

PlatinumMember.5274:

We did not get buffed contrary to popular belief. Or maybe we did get buff, but only if you play d/d and may d/f.

Apparently staff and s/d, signets, gylphs and arcane skills do not exist (not even going to mention conjures).

They goal was to add build diversity but with this change, it is still going to be arcane, water for 90% of the builds out there. So what really changed? I am arguing nothing did, it could have been worse but that is a terrible position to be arguing from.

We did not get buffed contrary to popular belief. Or maybe we did get buff, but only if you play d/d and may d/f.

Apparently staff and s/d, signets, gylphs and arcane skills do not exist (not even going to mention conjures).

They goal was to add build diversity but with this change, it is still going to be arcane, water for 90% of the builds out there. So what really changed? I am arguing nothing did, it could have been worse but that is a terrible position to be arguing from.

Doctoris.2675:

Alright, alright. I feel the need to clarify since it’s being mentioned a lot here. Powerful Auras already works with Fire’s Embrace right now, and I seriously doubt it’s the main reason the trait is being removed.

I believe the reason was due to the reshuffling of the traits. Had conjurer been the fire aura trait, the new mastery line essentially trades out Ember’s Might (+25% burn duration) for the newly buffed Blinding Ashes, which would’ve been incredibly OP alongside all of the bonus goodies the earth line is getting (and an entirely new third line as well).

I’m sad to see Fire’s Embrace snubbed out entirely as well though. Had it been competing with 2 other useful fire traits (such as the aforementioned Blinding Ashes), I thought that would be fair.

You are missing the point. it doesn’t matter the why, it matters that it twas removed.

Jekkt.6045:

fire is still crap, just blinding ashes is good.

disappointed with skill changes too, dragon’s tooth still not ground target.
rtl still 40s
shatterstone still useless

People keep saying the elementalist was saved. I say nothing really changed. I mean our builds only got buffed IF you look at it from the prospective of the previous preview. Overall, it did not change. It especially did not change for other weapons except daggers and possibly s/d.

If you are hate the spammy nature of s/d and d/d, you either play heal bot or play another class.

OP you should totally give up. After as soon as you give up the game will die. Or you can be more rational and just wait a long like everybody else is doing until Arena net decides to release information.

phys.7689:

Knighthonor.4061:

Dont make a MMO that uses a limited action bar, if you dont want us to have many options to customizing the small action bar…

Anet is following bad design logic inhouse.

i dont understand what you are trying to say here.

Best to ignore what he says.

Laraley.7695:

PlatinumMember.5274:

If by save you mean only daggers and scepter (fresh air). if you are a staff, you just shake your head and be glad, it is less horrible than anticipated.

Haha, I play fresh air and I don’t like the changes. I was hoping the spec would be shifted into a bit more skilled play from having so much instant stuff.

I think maybe staff eles would be viable somehow as a heal spec since ele will be able to give everyone a healing signet. 414 heal per sec is not bad.

agree, I mean who doesn’t enjoy being a gloried heal bot.

Oh well. I have a necromancer to fall back on…hopefully. I am glad Robert is the necro guy.

Supreme.3164:

Glenstorm.4059:

It might be because of the new Powerful Aura. Currently PA only affects auras from your weapon skills. The new PA has been reworded to “When you apply an aura to yourself”. Hopefully this means auras you gain via Leaps, Blasts and runes too. I think this is why they got rid of Fire’s Embrace; the group uptime on Protection/Fury/Swiftness would be pretty OP otherwise.

At least, that’s what I think.

The old PA was share aura from weapon set, kk but we had signet aura build; now the PA gives any kind of aura but they’ve removed a way to obtain auras outside weapon skills, I may be seeing at it in a wrong way but wth did they even buff it for then?

They obviously did not buff anything. I would rather they keep the signet builds interesting than to ruin it for a group focus GM trait.

Instead of making hundreds of pointless owrthless treads why not post your comments in one, so we can have a centralize location to complain. It is easier to take criticism if it is all in once place versus hundreds of other thread.

If by save you mean only daggers and scepter (fresh air). if you are a staff, you just shake your head and be glad, it is less horrible than anticipated.

already getting ready to be disappointed. Then make threats about how I will quit this game but not actually follow through with those threats.

Julie Yann.5379:

Your first problem is buying rings with laurels when it is so much more cost effective to get them through fractals. Use laurels for the amulets and guild commendations for the accessories.

They are labeled as unique items so only one can be equipped. I do agree that this games has a serious lack of in game information. I’ve been playing since launch and I still need to rely on 3rd party websites to know what is what and where it is happening.

Your mistake was assuming everybody enjoys spending time doing dungeons/fractures. Op might, but don’t make that assumption.

Erasmus.1624:

Laraley.7695:

[trait woes]

Don’t blame me, blame anet’s slick and innovative new MOBA-tier trait system with its bottlenecked selection synergy. Also, traits don’t necessarily need to help out solely the user. Freebies don’t define playstyles; draw-backs and altruism, on the other hand, do.

PlatinumMember.5274:

too bad the very nature of signets REQUIRES that it has a passive effect.

Says who? The guys who can’t balance a game that they intentionally dumbed down so that it would be easier for them to balance? Doesn’t seem like a valid argument. Flavor alone shouldn’t govern balance. That’s a terrible idea.

Actually favor keeps some consistency. Arena net might have issues balancing, but thank god that you certainly are not at the helm. You suffer from something called delusion of grandeur. Look it up, it will serve you well to understand your condition.

When I read your first thread I thought I was still drunk. ,

Not everybody is cutout to be a designer, you are the perfect example of it.

They better RLT all movement skills. Or at least require them to have a target or long CD.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Since we’re talking lore, why is the Rev getting Legends from areas that Tyrians have no current access to?

They get Legends from the MIST not Tyria.

maybe. Core specialization btw.

Your suggestion are worthless, so there is nothing really to discuss. Example, you want to get rid of the passive on signets, that is a nice suggestion too bad the very nature of signets REQUIRES that it has a passive effect. Anyway, worthless suggestion from a kittening liar.

Also the amount of work to overhaul this and test it out is not even worth, discussing it.

Sadrien.3470:

dietzero.3514:

Sadrien.3470:

Laraley.7695:

Cecilia.5179:

I think that if there is any catch involved with this change, it will be the frequently mentioned “Make it apply to self only” nerf, but I actually believe that there will be no change, as the main reason to run Arcana has always been to pick up the 2 EA’s and Renewing Stamina.

I think the worst option would be to put selfish EA as a minor trait and a major GM trait would make it aoe. Then, elementalist would be still forced into Arcana and still lose the support it needs if it wants to compete with shoutbow. It would make a sense, they need to come up with a new trait for a GM slot. And we would still be stuck with useless master traits.

Don’t worry people!!! Lyssa’s avatar on earth ( Robert gee our Lord and savior cough cough) won’t let anything that bad happen to any class! A nerf to the duration might happen but I’m sure Robert won’t allow anyone to mess up his balance ideas by nerfing anyone too hard. If anything the best way to nerf tank eles and the cele meta is to add more boon rip to the game which, by making necromancer more viable would occur.

Karlmir is in charge of eles.

You obviously didn’t get that I’m saying Robert will talk sense into karl because Robert is the Lord and savior of game balance and this nerf would make him have to rework his entire conceptual class dynamics system.

#iwanttobelieveinrobert

Xaylin.1860:

Laraley.7695:

What?
Can you tell me which of these classes has a completely selfless trait as a GM in the trait line that used to be tied to healing power? None.

Either got I comprehension issues or you didn’t even make an effort.

Engineer
GM Minor – Healing Power increased while under the effect of Regeneration
GM Major – Incoming heals heal allies for a % of that heal.

Necromancer
GM Minor – Gain 300 additional healing power while your health is below the threshold (75%).
GM Major – Heal in an area when you enter death shroud.

The Majors are completely selfless and the Minors only grant a pitiful amount of Healing Power. Yes, this affects yourself. But considering the scaling of Healing Power in general makes those traits inferior to Aquatic Benevolence.

Other classes which also got semi-selfless traits:

Mesmer
GM Minor – Phantasms grant regeneration to nearby allies. Your healing power is increased by 100 for each illusion you control.
GM Major – Whenever you summon a phantasm, cast Signet of Inspiration.

Warrior
GM Minor – Boon duration and outgoing healing increased by 10%.
GM Major – When you grant yourself might, grant it to nearby allies as well.

Yes, the Warrior traits are from the former Vitality line. But like it or not, both GM Majors are completely selfless. The Minors are semi-selfless but the selfish part is so small we can’t seriously be arguing about it.

Laraley.7695:

There is a difference between having higher healing power and having only outgoing healing increased.

Yes, it is. The difference is that +x% outgoing healing is better in almost any scenario aside from self-sustainability because Healing Power has aweful coefficients. It doesn’t really matter that Healing Power affects yourself it it’s inefficient.

Those traits all benefit the caster, Aquatic Benevolence does no benefit the caster and it is a grandmaster major trai. IN any case, I am going to bow out of this “debate” with you because you clearly have an unmovable opinion that not even facts can change. I mean while argue with a wall, right?

Astralporing.1957:

Faux.1937:

AGAIN I just want STAFF to be the Zerk choice of weapon NOT all weapons.

And again, by what we’ve heard so far, you won’t be getting what you want.

OP don’t listen to Astralporing he is against your dreams. IF I were you I will not stop believing and I mean I never stopped believing and I got to hook up with Kate Upton.

Xaylin.1860:

It might not make it any better but behaving like Elementalists are sole victims here is just plain wrong. Two other heal-associated lines are designed exactly the same way when it comes to the GM Minor (e.g. new Engineer Inventions, Necromancer Blood Magic unless they change it to Vampiric Aura) and several classes are barely better off – meaning their GM Minor doesn’t have any too beneficial self-effects either (e.g. Mesmer, Warrior).

if you hadn’t notice this is an elementalist thread. Also are you really comparing a minor thread to a Major? The it can be a minor trait, but it is not is a grandmaster MAJOR trait.

RabidCoqui.1983:

So every profession takes no skill to play?

Except necromancer, it takes a baller amount of skill.

Flumek.9043:

hmmm…

while most poeple hate and just laugh at the daily lordrosicky thread,

i cannot feel anything but sad cz hes not wrong.

• passive shoutbot and d/p are getting demigod buffed
• even the quality of life changes are going in favor of thief (F2 today) , leaving mesmer gs#2 but nerfing necro axe WTF!?!
• theres a lot of broken passives that could be removed without a “6month anet balance meeting”

He is the expert and master of hyperbole.

What you are suppose to do is quit the game come back after a while and make a threading complaining about not being treated like the special snowflake you think you are.

Something something #believeinkarl something something.

That is what the elementalist amounts to. BlackBeard.2873 I respect you as an individual generally, but it might be time to accept that simply truth ( I am sure you already knew but… I am trying to be clever here).

Arena net doesn’t know what to do with the elementalist, they have never known what to do with them. The elementalist suffers from being the first class they finalize, it is a relic of a discarded combat system that was changed shortly before beta. Arena net could easily change it, but that involves work and those guys in the balance team seem to prefer pizza parties over real work.

I mean the guys on the balance team are the type of people I would love to get drunk with but not actually give them real responsibility except for Robert. He seems like a “get to the point” sort of fella which unfortunately also means he would be terrible to get drunk with.

#Robertwillfixit

I suspect tempest will be a boon stripping class. I remember Jon Sharp talking about how the ele was a relied on boons but could not take away boons and how future content will be stripping boons. Going by that logic, something related to striping boons, I believe.

(So far anyways, i might be hopping on the necrotrain).

I wish it doesn’t suck, it will though.

I always thought saiyans wants fair fights.

Looking at the population numbers it seems the pvp is dead since 2012 was a lie.

waSte.8640:

Wow so much hostility LOL. You can buy GW2 for $10. How is $2 for 1 different weapon, 1 new trait line, and a set of utility bad? Its just a suggestion as seeing I don’t think I will buy a whole expansion for 1 small thing Anet can get to those people who only want some specializations unlocked. I’ve read Gw2 has sold over 5 million copies. Thats quite a pool of potential, seeing as a portion of those are second or third accounts. I have two accounts and might not even buy one expansion.

It seems more like people are giving you an honest answer and you don’t like it. But seriously in what world do you see that happening? Have you ever seen something like that happen?

Good luck. Karl seems like the type that never reads anything other than a pizza menu.

Kodiak.3281:

The reason why burst Elementalist doesn’t work in SPvP is a lack of escapes/mobility to correspond with it’s low HP/Armor.

Guardians doesn’t have either (escapes/mobility) and they are doing fine. Elementalist have very few damage mitigation skills. We have to rely on cantrips for defense and they all come with high CD.

In theory auras should be used to mitigate damage but for some old reason having an energy shield around you doesn’t block or minimize damage. All our weapons skills should have a couple of auras at 20-25 sec CD that blocks damage, but Arena net isn’t going to do that, not when Karl is still around.

I mean they probably wont tell us and it is on tuesday so why not see for yourself?

Volrath.1473:

Alexander.9810:

Nothing’s going to change – they’re understaffed, they’re trying to make one size fits all solutions as usual, and with Blade and Soul coming out I doubt GW2 is getting any extra investment from NCSoft to do ambitious projects like ladders or revamps of the competitive matchmaking system.

Yall need to stop ragging on Arenanet so much and blow up NCSoft’s corporate “Contact Us” emails to show them that people care enough about GW2 and that they’re willing to go to the source, not just yell and scream at the messenger and the understaffed worker bees.

there is no date for Blade & Soul yet but yeah! i’m going to play it for sure and it is actually e-sports atm not just a try-hard wannabe like some “other” game…

Blade and soul is not even close to e-sport. Well it is to someone who hasn’t played it extensively.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Hour and a half in… still not a peep from any dev… Isn’t this why this test was in the middle of the week during work hours? To address any issues that arose?

I hope you do realize that the people that deal with support are not the ppl who are responsible for the beta.

Also, the reason why they have it today is because they didn’t want people missing dinner with their families during Memorial day.

(i have no stake in the matter am I just amusing myself).

TheRandomGuy.7246 getting mad at those defender (which I guess I fall under) isn’t going to change a kitten thing. So there is that as well.

Just because the revenant is a new class doesn’t mean you have to like it. There is nothing special about it from the other 8 other than it came out 3 years later than the others.

Not every class is going to appeal to everybody, which is what you OP and the others are beginning to figure it out. A lot of people get hyped over the new and shiny, it is childlike but normal.

Remember not everybody is going to like everything and that is perfectly OK.

Astralporing.1957:

PlatinumMember.5274:

^Doing what you find fun, isn’t really a valid excuse.

Doing what you find fun is always a valid excuse when you are talking about playing a game – a medium whose sole purpose is entertainment.

Maybe a single player game but MMORPG are jammed packed with random crap design to waste your time as much as possible and not necessarily for fun.

Let’s assume the worst so what? Do you honestly believe Arena net will change up their plans because some people are whining on the forums visited by less than 1% of the population?

This is exactly what a lot of people demanded, I don’t want living story and I want an expansion well this is what you get. Between now and expac release some of are going to lose interest but that happens to every game so it is not a big deal as some of you seems to think it is. Guess what, people lose interest all the time but Arena net isn’t going to change their plans to please you. So if you can’t wait find something different or move on.

I agree remove all RNG that includes critical chance because all RNG is RNG. RNG is not good.

^Doing what you find fun, isn’t really a valid excuse. There are lot of things you HAVE to do that you might not enjoy if you want to get a lot out of an MMORPG. I don’t find leveling fun, but to maximize my time in the game, guess what I have to do? That is right slug through level 40 to 65. I just want to play a mesmer boom, level 1 to 80 of torture.

MMORPG constantly change, it is rather idiotic to expect that things do not change.

I feel like if it was easy it would be done by now.

I get it, so the joke is that since karl is the main Elementalist developer and not Robert, our elite specialization will be awesome in a sad and pathetic way?

Is that the joke?

Raif.9507:

So… any updates yet from OP?

What do you expect from the OP? All he can do is submit the report and pay that someone other than karl sees it.

Gabriell.4856:

Empty Sky.6354:

This is how I feel.
Robert is awsome and when he talks about a certain class,he talks about that class. He knows he is showing this to public for first time,so he is on point. Unlike Grouch,Roy (ugh I cringe when he talks about anything) and others,who constantly laugh,get distracted by smallest of things and repeat X amount of times,that everything is work in progress (here’s a tip…put WORK IN PROGRESS ON YOUR GREEN SCREEN AS BACKGROUND), Robert really delivers.

What I think about Necro’s Reaper is,if you can stow your weapon,I think that build has a potential to really play mind games with people. Question is will you be able to play mind games or will you be destroyed first?
I think they really need to give Necro a good portable skill(to get out of fight…I know you got spectral walk or wurm,but both show where you will be) or just up Lifeforce regen and give Lifeforce baseline of 25% to start with.

Yes, he seems like the type that is all business and play later.

I love how the girl (don’t remember her name) was cracking jokes but Robert was like “whatever, I have a presentation to do.”

Her name is Rubi.

And yes Robert gets the point. The elementalist would benefit from him.

Even if it is pay to win so what, other subscription MMO have done it, essentially means every MMORPG is pay to win thereby making the phrase “pay to win” worthless.

Supreme.3164:

rotten.9753:

Supreme.3164:

Can I get Robert Gee for ele too?…the ele community can pay the transfer

Believe in Karl.

God no…I won’t

Sorry friend but you really have no choice, we really have no choice. So far I might just hop on the Robert Gee train to necroville. Robert is 2/ 2 on his classes. Both Mesmer and necro look great to most people except lordwholovestorantandhasnothingbettertodothanrant.

I wish the elementalist had Robert and not Karl.

Laraley.7695:

PlatinumMember.5274:

Hey here is a great idea, don’t get hit. You are not support to get hit, that is why it is slow.

Arena net isn’t or shouldn’t change the rules of the game just to suit you.

Don’t get hit by the million attacks that cause chill? Ye, thanks for your input, I’ll still go a different way about this.

Don’t worry about it, it is not like it will ever be done so arguing is worthless here.

Hey here is a great idea, don’t get hit. You are not support to get hit, that is why it is slow.

Arena net isn’t or shouldn’t change the rules of the game just to suit you.

Uriel.6310:

mistsim.2748:

Uriel.6310:

Welp, back to ESO in the meantime.. nothing to see here.

i wish. ESO is garbage.

The classes in the game are more balanced and their developers make more balance changes than every 2 year increments.. its been a breath of fresh air for me.

It says a lot about a game that gets more “balance” changes but is still more crap than a game that gets less.