Guild Wars 2

The way i see it, this is a bunker with better than average dueling and worse than average support.

If you really wanna nerf something nerf adaptive armor. Its so good that we basicly don’t have a grandmaster choice. (but plx bring the others up to par while you are at it)

Gyros don’t exist in my book…

Did anyone else notice that with the earth overload and then fire warhorn 4 you can give people arround you instantly about 30 secs of protection? With easily 100% uptime.

I pvp’d the heck out of clerics aura tempest and i was bunkering points like a champ. I have never felt so immortal in my whole gw2 history.

here is the build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJBIhdSfJUhJ2gJ45AwhJW2AM39ag9wSsCSBVghHQA4CC-TJxHAB1+AAQqMgO7PAwJAAA

I don’t like it. Not because its a bad thing in itsself, but because its so gray.

If one guy is really good and can solo arah he might as well get rewarded for his efforts by selling the slots. There are people who don’t enjoy running dungeons and for them this is a nice option as well. So far nice and dandy.

But there is almost no way to determine ( on some occasions its possible) how the run was done. It could have been one expoit after the other and just getting there by basicly hacking through the stage and having the guts to sell that is pretty low.
Same goes for people who kick others from the party to sell the remaining slot, or people who join and then kick the seller so save the fee.

I think a practice where screwing people over and getting screwed over is normal isn’t a good thing.

Kinda like the buffs to ele scepter. Some % of close to nothing is still close to nothing.

Reapers- They’ll be very fun to use like the dark knight at the frontline. But they still lack any support and backline necro will likely still be better at the necro role.

Chrono- Some of the wells sound pretty crazy. It might just be enough to warrant them a spot in the zerg for other things than portals and veils.

Druid- If one thing could shake up the meta it will probably be this one. As some have said above it depends on the numbers.

Dragon Hunters- Honestly i don’t think so. There are backliners that are way better at its job and frontliners still want staff+ a melee weapon.

Temperst- I actually believe that frontline auras will be a thing. If it will be meta meta is questionable but there is a chance.

Scrappers- They will be fun the way reapers are but hardly meta. As it stands guards are boon bots and warriors have res banners. What does the scrapper bring? Gyros.. ok

Daredevil- Don’t think so.

Berserker- no idea

Then again roaming is an entirely different story.

Only frost aura stacks, so jump in a frost field.

I agree there are many of our traits that are still left half or completely broken since the 23rd patch.
Just compare No Scope ( our master trait) to Master fencer (mesmer minor)…
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/No_Scope
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Master_Fencer

I would prefer a 100000000000 hours cd. So i could use it once and never rely on ai again.

BurrTheKing.8571:

I feel like the healing and bulwark Gyro have more potential synergy than some realize. The heal gyro toolbelt gives Protection. Using your heal can potentially Protection as well. Placing the Bulwark gyro in the heal bot belt skill means it’s taking less damage and is healing. If you have the heal bot out and have other sources of Protection that means the damage the Bulwark is taking is less multiple times over. This whole time the heal drone is healing both of you.

I’m not sure if that is how it will work but if it does that sounds tanky as hell.

I see lots of synergy to melt all of that with aoe. Bullwrak takes damage you take, it takes itsself and what your other drones take. Not to mention you split your heal between you and your other drones ( if that is indded how it works). Looks to me like you improove the effectiveness of your opponents aoe and lower your own strength with every drone you take.

YAY we are getting ai stomps… hope there is an option to turn that off.

iKeostuKen.2738:

People should seriously stop looking at the skills as a slice and look at the full picture.

Bulwark + Elixir Gun + Protection = Ton of damage mitgation. Ontop of a movable reflection shield.

Blasthe could possibly tag a target before it goes into stealth. The drone would chase the target so it could be seen asome also a reveal drone ontop of a group knock back that moves at a high speed.

Shredder with Elixir gun can launch out a ton of cleansing, healing and even damage bolts. On top of the fact you get to place it whoever you want. Put down a smoke bomb and then put down Shredder. Blinding bolts. This offers tonsome variety into what it can do.

Elite gyro. It’s a pulsing field! It last for a long tike. Like the PoI broadcasters said. No one knows how much people are in that field. Even if the drone is visible, you can still set up combos and not be affected by single target skills. This is still strong.

The heal bot offers protection and a water field. So ontop of burst mitgation, you have 5 seconds for you and teammates to drop as many heals on you as possible to get out a great team heals.

All of those are solid ideas,but they are even better when you take the gyros out.

You ditch bullwrak and take a block or real invul instead of an ai that will die on you in seconds.
You ditch the shredder because elixir gun can cleanse lots of condis with out it just fine.
Or you just ditch the blaster and get the same just better and not so easily countered on a shorter cd.
Ok say you want blinding bolts for example. Even if it survives that full duration of the blind field it will surely melt right after. And now you just spent a 30secs utility on a few bolts. If you really want a few blinding bolts just spin with your hammer.

Ok so you want stealth. Target limit 5, so you and 4 others could be hidden under the not so secret stealth drone that everyone sees comming from a mile away. I’d rather ditch the drone, blast a smoke bomb and go in with true stealth.

Yea you get a waterfield on the healbot. Or i just ditch the drone, take the turret with 2 waterfields and non ai reliant heals and cleanse for me and my allies on demand.

Everything just gets better when you leave the useless ai drones out.
/salt

So the toolbelt is a waterfield, guess what other heal has got a waterfield on the toolbelt and is better in about everyway. Not to mention it heals for nothing, is stupid ai and dies to aoe.
Also why should i try to keep the rng cleanse ai alive when its supposed to have a job to keep me alive?! Ain’t that screwed. Also how to keep it alive when it dies to the same condis that its supposed to cleanse. Relying on ai for sustain is that most stupid idea ever conceived.
Bulwrak need to not stand in the circles to ever be even close to viable. They can buff its HP to borderline broken and its still crap.
Also i don’t see how a sitting duck that dies in 2-3 autos doing pathetic damage and spinning on a 30sec cd is worth an utility slot.
Also lol using the elite for cover. It might sponge 2-3 autoattacks from random mobs because they kill the drone first, but players see the non stealthed drone and just throw aoe’s your way. Killing you and the drone in one go. All of them are so useless from hand to hand combat as it gets. Revealed toolbelt is literally the only good thing about it.

I would trade all of these trash AI things for a single dragonhunter trap (ok maybe not the heal trap)

/rage start
These things make our turrets looks good…

The heal and condi clear bots are pathetic. The condiclear bot heals in intervalls when 3 ticks of burning can easily kill you, not to mention he dies to aoe condis… Its like it will die easily on the side even if the other guy doesn’t even pay attention to it and even if it doesn’t die you are still relying on RNG and the AI not screwing things up.

Blast and Shredder are not worth their utility slot in any way. We already have utilities that do what the blast drone does, but on shorter cd and not so easily counterd.
The shredder drone has a semi usefull toolbelt but the super low damage of a spinning ai that will die to 2-3 auto attacks while simply sitting there does not justify a 30 secs CD. Anyway Shredder is my favourite one because at least there you get no ai shenanigans.

And finlly IDefender…. ehm i mean Bulwark. Srsly wth?! Its a bland copy of a bad skill of another class. Buffing it with instant activation and other things still makes it bad. It will die to aoe like all the other drones and the effect it grants is exactly-none. For what its worth it will see some use in dungeons for the toolbelt reflect alone.

And of course the elite that stealthes you, except you still got a big ol visible drone flying arround that you have to stop and wait for every few secs because ai is too stupid to keep up. Nty i’d rather blast bomb 4 instead. Seems to be reocuring theme here. We only got stuff that we (or mesmer) could already do, just worse because stupid aoe suiciding ai.
Literally using the elite when searching for a mesmer is the only use this thing is gonna get.

The same goes for our NEW AND SHYINY class mechanic. Now i have to rely on AI for stomping and rezzing?! Oh god just when i thought it couln’t get any worse.

I was so hoping that this elite spec gave us some sort of use in WvW but its just stupid ai utilities that won’t see use anywhere. Least of all in WvW.
/rage end
For what its worth the hammer is awesome.

Well while i don’t agree with this idea at all (coz let ppl play how they want), I would like people to consider sinister for higher lvl dungeons and fractals. Something like “meta zerk or sinister only”.

Gotta admit that outfit looks pretty cool on your charr. Gotta dig that Indiana Jones look.

Also i feel ya. Hold out it will be over soon.

I do not think that fresh is a weak build, more like cele is so good that nobody runs anything else.

Thiefs are weak to tankier targets that can sustain through their burst. Also tankier zerkers like medi guards can give them a hard time.

Mesmers have a hard time fighting on point.

Actually these sales have been pretty solid so far. I certainly spent more cash on the game than i would have done without them. I know that its just because of the 3rd burthday but i would rly like this to become a regular thing. Its a actually a good reason to check the gemstore from time to time.

I agree that mesmers have become very overused in roaming since patch but besides PU i would say that this is part of the condi changes. Basicly any class with fair mobility and one great condi build can roam effectively. As people above have stated, the main way to kill a PU condi mesmer is to use another condi build against it since they are all pretty ridiculous in WvW. Sad to say but as of right now i would recommend to join them or feel the burn.

Aeolus.3615:

Pride.1734:

The main issue is that, the bigger the zergfight gets the more walls and feedbacks you encounter. This means that the engi becomes less usefull as the scale of the fight goes up.

It is really cool tho if you happen to shoot over a refelction wall. xD

Dont shoot, throw nades in a condi build, flamethrower this 2 avoids WoR.

WoR is easy to kite, also any guard who stands in a midle of one for sure want a aoe spike, it will not survive….

If im gonna use flamethrower auto i might as well hit the enemy zerg with a wet noodle while running into the frontlines with a “kill me” sign.

Reflects kill 95% of our usefulness.

Don’t think there is any guild that would rather have an engi.
Well there is a small niche of focus party support.

MadRabbit.3179:

Now, if you could use the shout, apply fire to yourself and 4 people and then apply fire to 4 completely seperate people from Powerful Aura, that would be awesome and kind of insane.

I didn’t test this, but since group members have priority over shared boons (and auras?) and if you are within a 600 radius to your group but outside of a 360 radius, wouldn’t they get the effect of the shout because of priority but the aura share would then go to the people in your proximity?

Yea after i get the chance to play more with the spec and get used to the gameplay i also intend to run all utility shouts and rely on positioning.

There is also the alternative to run full shouts (including the heal) with trooper runes for the condi cleanse. I think there are some benefits to this but overall i like the radiance build better. Wish the heal shout scaled better.

I think its perfectly fine if the specialisations aren’t better in every aspect of the game.

I play every class but ranger ( might start one if the druid drops the pet)
Here is what i will be using:

Dragon hunter- Not in a million years
Berserker- Nope
Daredevil- Maybe
Tempest- Yep
Chrono- Yesh
Reaper- Hell Yea
Engi- Oh plx no minions

The main issue is that, the bigger the zergfight gets the more walls and feedbacks you encounter. This means that the engi becomes less usefull as the scale of the fight goes up.

It is really cool tho if you happen to shoot over a refelction wall. xD

butch.8136:

Pride.1734:

Dunno if i got this right. So like if there isn’t anybody from the guild present that captured and claimed this keep like 2+ hours ago its basicly screwed?

You can make sure every upgrade is accessible to the public (non-guildies) or not.

Thats cool then

Dunno if i got this right. So like if there isn’t anybody from the guild present that captured and claimed this keep like 2+ hours ago its basicly screwed?

Well you do get other boosts from it, like 2x healing and protection. But i actually agree with your points. At least flame aura and maybe chaotic aura deserve to stack as well. Also no as of right now its stil the same.

Our waterfields are good but except the mortar shell they are pretty short and can only work in very coordinated guild zergs.
Also ele’s dont have the refect problem we suffer from.
Granted engi’s can focus fire better than eles can with the toolbelt pull and grenade rifle combos.

Yeh its super fun! About the fire aura, it applies burning. So does that burning calculate my condi damage or the one who has got the aura?

Also i haven’t really had any speed problems. There is windborn speed, swiftness on an auras every 20 secs( why is there even an icd?…), swiftness when overloading and finally two lightning fields for people to blast in.

This topic is the exact antithesis to constructive criticism.

Not a great ele here but i found this to be pretty fun in WvW zergs. (even though i could only get so close to this setup). Basicly heal people and spam auras.
Dunno the warhorn needs more auras imo. If the warhorn has like 3 or 4 aura skills the synergy would be through the roof.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQFAWnMMANYiVYCeOA8RglNAzdv+XPsErgUQFY4BEAugA-T1RDABgv/ghKBP+BAcp6PZp8DgLAge6AAA-w

Edit: after running another night with this build im absolutely in love with it. The sustain, the teamplayer aspect, the rewarding use of overcharges, and some pretty decent damage for a clerics build, even the shouts do decent damage. With all the damage reductions its no truble to stay in or at least very close to the frontlines sou you can keep bringing the support. Its even a pretty decent dueling spec. It might take longer to kill stuff but sustaining a 3v1 and comming out ot top is pretty amazing (and in kitten beta gear at that).

Honestly the tempest has its issues like rebound is shet, the weak’ish heal, warhorn sax as well, some traits are very weak and due to the nature of overloads it doesn’t seem to be viable for anything but auras and a tankier setup. But oh boy is that one setup fun to play.

Making ascended clerics in preparation for HoT for sure!

Just gonna leave my favourite build here. Great for zerg as well as roaming. Ofc all of wolfineers builds are great so you can’t go wrong with any of those either. I think the main thing to take away here is to get Knights armor, berserker trinkets and a berserker weapon. Its a great setup for WvW and also used in many of his builds. Later you can the of course try variations of skills and traits like the juggernaut for example.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFAUlUUh6rYJXwELQ7FLTGk4zKQA+2Xyb+4HqQ8B-T1hFABDcBAA4BAYkyvR2f4MdAHq+TVKBJFggKjA-w

abc.5790:

They killed engies in pvp that started with the turret nerf. Engies will continue to remain mediocre unless they rebalance our entire trait system. It’s an under-represented class in all 3 game modes (pvp, wvw, pve) and the June patch rebalance made it even worse.

I would have to agree but in a different way.
They did not kill our usefulness in all gamemodes. We were never that great in WvW but the Mortar in a nice addition. In PvE we can play sinister now. And in PvP our powerbuilds are more durable and versitile than ever before.

But they did kill lots of our build diversity. The classic condi engi isn’t a thing anymore and has been replaced by “working as intended” burning only. Cele engi has been very nerfed by the shuffled arround IP and condi changes. And healing engi died with EIB. Also for what its worth we also lost the turret engi.

We are basicly left with a couple of power variations and the burning abomination.

He has some fair points. Ice Bow isn’t healthy for the game. Pre buffing or waiting for the perfect party can often cause longer runs in total. And in some encounters you do more damage with a ranged weapon that in downstate with a melee one.

But good god the way this is presented is awful… I actually like his vids but i seriously hope that this “style” of speaking to the “elitists” was a one time thing only. Don’t think i can endure through the next one.

Wonder how the meta will change after icebow 4 gets eventually nerfed.
It could be the dawn of the engi meta!
Iirc sinister engi does the highest sustained dps and zerker engi is also up there near top when it comes to burst.

Thing is you get your movement boosts out of inventions or out of tools. If you take one you won’t take the other because you still need alchemy and either firearms or explosives.

Its kinda stupid to have 2 masters that are both miles better than our GM’s but its still no contest since the one is a staple and always has been.

Anet can you make this a Grand Master please?
Its a really cool idea and im sure many engis myself included would realy love to get to ever use it.
I would gladly pick this as a GM but don’t make it compete with Streamlined Kits, engis are addicted to speed.

I also think that twitch has lots of issues like stuff not loading or the simply abysmal search options(none at all). Sadly its not availabe in germany yet ;_;

You mean burn wars. xD
Some other condis like bleeing torment and poison could actually use a buff.

In WvW i kitten hate stealth. Its cool in PvE because mobs dont care and in PvP because they can’t cap, but holy moly is it a killer if you try to roam with a profession that doesn’t have stealth themselves. Honestly we need more revealing traits that are also at least somewhat accessible.
Also think about searching for mesmers with all their ridiculous stealth they have now. Its already hell to deal with in our small keeps now think about the new BIG keeps we will be getting in the new borderlands. …. shuders

You know ele will be nerfed like they nerfed ice bow.

Don’t worry ele’s you will always be top of every gamemode.

Turret engi cancer 2.0

Drone Wars 2 make it happen

Great for zerg as well as roaming.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vdAQFAUlUUh6rYJXwELQ7FLTGk4zKQA+2Xyb+4HqQ8B-T1hFABDcBAA4BAYkyvR2f4MdAHq+TVKBJFggKjA-w

Without knowing how they work for sure, its not yet time to call out doomsday. That being said if they are indeed ai minions i won’t even touch them with a stick.
Getting a Hammer is great anyway so thats something to look forward to

Valento.9852:

Pride.1734:

I don’t think that this is an unknown symptome. When you play the class alot you abviously want the stuff it gets to be great and mind blowing. Also the first things you think about are what you will have to sacrifice to take this spec. Lets take shin for example, he is least hyped by the berserker elite spec, inks said that everything about the dragon hunter feels clunky and slow and that he couldn’t get it to work at all.

Part of these statements is failed expectations but the other half is to rally the community to think as they do so that anet will bend through all the complaining. They all want the thing that their class got to be the best and its natural enough. Everyone wants that but to use it in such a way, I think its pretty manipulative.

You have no clue what is going on with Tempest.

I played tempest longer than WP did :P
You have a crappy elite and your overloads are clunky. Numbers are tuned low to start off on all elites so thats a non issue. On the flipside pretty much all of your shouts are improved necro shouts. There is the viewpoint that the problem is less tempest being too bad in what he does but ele being too good in just about everything.

sheeet jebro has over 14k gems

I don’t think that this is an unknown symptome. When you play the class alot you abviously want the stuff it gets to be great and mind blowing. Also the first things you think about are what you will have to sacrifice to take this spec. Lets take shin for example, he is least hyped by the berserker elite spec, inks said that everything about the dragon hunter feels clunky and slow and that he couldn’t get it to work at all.

Part of these statements is failed expectations but the other half is to rally the community to think as they do so that anet will bend through all the complaining. They all want the thing that their class got to be the best and its natural enough. Everyone wants that but to use it in such a way, I think its pretty manipulative.

I love grenades. Always did still do.

There are plenty of differences in usage between grenades and mortar so i see no reason to cut one.

Engi was never meta in WvW. Healing bombs was the only way we could somewhat justify ourselves being in the frontlines. With full clerics food and stacks you heal about 500 a tick while doing reasonable damage and utility. That with elixir gun heal and condi clear made for some solid frontline support especially in sustained combat. The best thing was that your healing went with the zerg instead of being stationary like a waterfield.
The main reason people like EIB isn’t because it was super, but because it made us special in a way. It was one of the most build defining GM traits we used to have and it made our bombs unique. Kinda funny they removed it.

This is great news!