My hard work running with zerg should certainly be awarded by stuff that’s way better than what pve scrubs have. Just let me hop to bl to pick my bday booster, see you in eotm, the skill required to succeed in there is so high that legendaries should be showered upon me /s
Some of these threads make me wonder what Anet’s casual approach to the game have resulted into.
^Told you there are some people that will complain about anything
Wvw should work like pvp. You go and select stuff. Easy to balance and no more money/lvl problem.
My idea gives character progression for the people that need that. It gives newer WvW players something to work towards while keeping a level playing field. It gives a nice reward to longtime WvW players, a way to reach the same stats as pve players, and it gives us something to spend our stockpile of karma on.
I know there are people that will complain about anything but I personally can’t see any downside to this.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Think about the build editor when you select WvW armor, you just go through and select the stats you want for everything. So you can pick knights armor, zerk weapons and cavalier trinkets, or whatever you want.
Say you have 1 set of ascended celestial for a light armor character, instead of having to grind and craft another set for a medium character you can just select those stats. Instead of constantly swapping your ascended armor and trinkets from 1 character to another you just select your build.
Instead of being forced to run some PvE map or doing a bunch of boring crafting for new stats like sinister, you could just unlock the stat through a amulet karma vendor, or get the stat as a rank up reward.
Some of the most valid complaints about the upcoming changes and the removal of guard stacks is
-The lack of character progression
-The time and money invested in ascended armor that was based on having the extra stats
-How it will affect build diversity
-PvE players and crafters will now have a stat advantage because you can’t buy or earn ascended gear in WvW (not counting drops because let’s be honest, 90% of ascended drops in WvW are clerics gear)
What I propose is the addition of a WvW amulet that allows you to change your armor and weapon stats any time you are out of combat. Ideally this should work just like the build editor http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/ . This might even open up the possibility of build templates for WvW and PvP.
Stats, runes and sigils will need to be unlocked either through already owning them or purchasing them with karma and/or badges. At silver rank you will acquire an amulet for each of your characters that allow you to use exotic stats, and at gold rank you will unlock ascended stats.
Things to consider would be having different stats unlock every time you hit a new rank. Adding cosmetic upgrades to the WvW amulet like the colored refractors that you gain while leveling or even through the gem store. Added bonuses for hitting platinum/mithril rank such as some new WvW legendaries.
This will be a nice reward for veteran players without giving them a stat advantage over newer WvW players and it will greatly increase build diversity.
I would like to see ranger get a main hand dagger.
Give the auto attack bleeds on the first 2 attacks and then a cripple on the 3rd. Dagger 2 should be a 600 range leap forward on a 6 second cooldown. Dagger 3 should be throwing a dagger to inflict torment while evading backwards.
They are clearing up the lines more. You want survival traits the WS it is. The are moving spotter to skirmish line. The lines are more clearly themed.
NM is our boon line so it doesn’t belong there.
Your ok with gs in bm line but you have a problem with this. I mean its not like the gs trait in the bm gives fury and might to you and the pet.
One has other avenues of condi cleans. Eb is a trait that work by itself. You don’t trait it to make it better.
GS and Axe are have great synergy with other lines. Who to say that druid doesn’t have a way to convert condi into boons. I even if it doesn’t there are other way to cleanse condi’s
What 3 core line are you wanting to spec into and why? I hope its not Bm line for either of the weapon traits.
I really don’t care if the trait fits the theme of the line it’s in, I just don’t want traits shoved into spots that limit our build options.
How many people will ever use poison master again if the trait change goes through the way it is now? They need to make EB a master trait and move it to another line to help promote build diversity.
If you are going to try for a hybrid build you might consider going all the way with it. Get some trapper runes, drop the knights trinkets and swap the utilities to traps.
If you’re on T6 then you know there are servers down here that completely dominate the others during oceanic.
Look at this week for example, AR and GoM are running neck and neck. Last night AR was beating GoM all through prime time and managed to pass them up by the end of the night. Look at the score this morning and GoM is back in the lead with a 4-5k gap because they have a much stronger night crew.
This week that match will stay competitive because AR has enough roamers on to flip camps and snipe yaks to keep things from upgrading too much and they can quickly flip their stuff back once people wake up.
If the auto upgrade had already gone through AR wouldn’t stand a chance this week because GoM has too many hours when they are uncontested. It would take much longer for AR to cap back their stuff giving GoM a bigger lead everyday.
This would eventually completely kill the servers without night crews because people would burn out from waking up to their bl and eb side being fortified by another server.
This would also mean that less GoM people would play because there would be less roamers from the other guilds out there. If they see that their efforts to slow or prevent upgrades don’t mean anything, I’m sure some people will just be like, “screw it, I’m quitting.” Probably not all, but some. That means that GoM people will be like, “Jeez, this is boring. There’s no one out there to kill an all our stuff is fully upgraded. I quit.”
I don’t think that’s being alarmist, just realistic.
You’re probably right. I know that the weeks my server is steamrolling I usually go into PvP because I don’t enjoy PvDooring. But those are also the weeks when all of our PvE’ers decide they want to hop into WvW so it’s not like we are lacking on people.
In WvW a thief can screw up trying to kill you and camp stealth to full heal so they can try again. This doesn’t work so well in PvP because if they are hiding in stealth they aren’t doing anything useful while the points are ticking away. They are much better off using their initiative to stay mobile to decap a point or +1 a fight.
Well as a thief I don’t mind the channeling. What really grinds my gears is that the channeling follows you. So if you channel me you know where I am at all times because your character automatically adjusts to me which kind of defeats the purpose of stealthing in the first place. But oh well, If they do this I guess everyone and their dog will complain about how OP thief is.
Oh wait … they already do :p It’s fascinating how many baddies this game has.
The real interesting part is usually it’s the thieves who make those QQ threads first
How many posts about this stealth stuff being brought up? At least 50 times no?
Also so many nub thieves make a thread about how OP Rapid Fire is LOL..
Rapid Fire is OP. But since its the only decent source of damage for longbow ranger most people don’t complain and think this is acceptable.
And yet any competent thief should be able to beat a glass LB ranger, and the only situation Rapid fire is complained about is when the ranger is full glass.
I’ve never said it is impossible to kill a ranger. Pretty much agree with what you said but that just shows how bad the ranger design is. Mostly bad abilities with few overpowered ones. Yay balance!
Same could be said about thieves…
Doubt it. Most thief skills are good and can be a game changer if used right. I thought we are over the idea of “heartseeker spam ftw!”. I thought we figured out that this is not an iWin button and any semi-braindead opponent that has cooldowns can decimate such thief.
If a person is bad enough that all a ranger has to do is auto attack and rapid fire to kill them, then that person is bad enough that a thief can backstab and heartseeker spam them to death.
The Longbow doesn’t have bad skills, it has 2 skills for damage and 3 utility skills that should be used situationally. This is how weapons should be, they shouldn’t be like a warrior’s hammer where you don’t even have to think about what you are pressing because all the skills are powerful all the time.
A longbow ranger and a thief run the same roll in PvP, try to decap points, +1 fights, and focus the low health or squishy targets in team fights. The ranger has a range advantage which is only useful on a couple of maps, but the thief has a much bigger advantage thanks to their mobility. This is what keeps the thief in the meta while the ranger is forever sidelined.
So before complaining about a longbow ranger take a look at your own ability to Usain Bolt your way across the map by porting up ledges and through walls. Infiltrator’s arrow is a way more OP skill than anything on the ranger’s longbow.
Cmon stop this thread. LB really works well against engies, and the OP happens to be one.
Coincidence? I think not.
To be honest, its engies that need rework not rangers.
They’re really not though… LB is only good against bad engi’s.
A good engi can completely shrug off rapid fire multiple times with the shield reflect, shield interrupt, tool kit block, tool kit pull, crate interrupt, using crate turrets for LoS, stealth before the channel, invulnerable from elixer s, and the list goes on…
A longbow ranger has to seriously outplay an engi to win. The ranger needs to figure out what kits the engi is using and draw out his stun breaks so that the ranger can CC and burst the engi down. If the ranger just yolo’s in with rapid fire a good engi will counter it and either melt him with condi’s or destroy him with a static discharge build.
I found a pretty good instructional video for players like the OP who choose not to use any of the blocks/interrupts/etc. available to them. It’s pretty short, I strongly urge you to check it out. https://youtu.be/kvS6zMThiZU
Because any time a game introduces a new class they make them completely OP for several months to get people to buy them. Revanants will be giving out stability like Oprah and will be running around with a wall in front of them to block projectiles.
They each get their own. Even dual pets (like white and black ravens or the two immob spiders) don’t share cds, it might look like their F2s share cool downs… but they don’t. You can still use the second one even though the cd from the first pet will show over the F2 skill.
Are you sure about that? The HoM duplicate pets used to occasionally share cool downs. It seemed to come and go from one patch to the next. This was a couple of years ago though so maybe they finally fixed it for good?
You are all making some pretty big asumptions about my abilities. Yes there are ways to mitigate the damage of rapid shot (when it is used by itself) but they are limited when compared with other abilities of other classes, such as 100b. These abilities are even more limited when rapid shot is used in conjunction with “Entangle.”
And yes, actually, RF does track the target. Go and see for yourself.
And when did I ever say that my class doesn’t need changes? I called decap engineers abominations that need to be destroyed.
I listed 5 ways that you, in the very situation you allowed yourself to get stuck in, could have responded to survive. I didn’t even bother mentioning using your healing turret cleanse to remove the immobilize and escape the vines because in all honesty I figured if you are here complaining about rapid fire you probably aren’t good enough to get the timing right to cleanse immobilize and simply walk out.
Again, that is all available on the very build that you yourself posted. Now think about all the other skills that engineers possess that could have been used to counter an immobilize/rapid fire combination. If you can look at the situation objectively and be honest with yourself you will realize you have no valid complaint, you were simply outplayed.
Edit: sometimes my phone logs me into my alt account. My previous post was as Jim Hunter.
Rangers blow guardians out of the kitten water in terms of WvW-style mobility. It’s not even close. But you are right, lack of teles is pretty brutal for PvP. It’s only us, warriors and engis that lack them, and obviously engi and warrior are renown for their team support to make up for it.
It would be easy to give us a tele that isn’t overpowered for LB rangers: just put it on a long cooldown. That one tele would be huge.
I strongly suspect druids will get a tele that is nature magic themed, perhaps along the lines of the necro wurm swap.
By the way, sounds like you should use RaO as your elite when playing LB ranger.
I’ve seen some very fast Guardians – very, very fast. So I don’t know how you can say that we move “faster” than even a Guardian.
Rangers without traiting move very, very slowly and can’t keep up with any group without the boosts or speed fields – if we lag behind, and we do without our traits, we die.
Rangers are support oriented – can solo, but best in a group where they can really shine – the necessity to trait for speed that comes naturally on others who are light as we are (medium class), is just a bit ridiculous.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense. Any class that chooses not to use traits/skills that increase their mobility will be slow. When rangers build for mobility they are the 3rd fastest class
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have a trait that offered 25% mobility like so many of the other professions, I would definitely love to get a teleport, but rangers do currently have really good mobility. The real issue is we have to invest much more to achieve it than a lot of the other professions.
@Narkodx:
Precisely … but people shouldn’t “look down on” the bad players. It would behoove us all to be more helpful to those players so they can learn and stop being “bad”.
Also, part of being a “good” player is recognizing and understanding the pros/cons of each class, their abilities, their builds, etc. and what to do with that knowledge as well as when.
Every class has pros and cons.
I learned that this part is slightly incorrect.
… I bet that you didn’t really try to help more of them in a nice and kind way, did you?
If you did – maybe you’d get turned down with something that I got tens of times like “there is no wrong way to play! Shortbow for PvE is viable! It deals damage!”… And stuff like that happens if you do.
EDIT: I’ll mention that I was told countless times that I’m the one who does not listen.
So many white knights here defending this. I don’t find it enjoyable. It makes the game unplayable for me. I’m simply asking for an option to turn it off for myself. How does that take away from the people that do find it fun? I have to sit through something i dont enjoy or just not play at all so other people can have fun? sounds fair. I really dont think having the option to turn these things off for myself is too much to ask for.
I like the airplane noises my character make when running around. If that harms your delicate sensibilities, that I enjoy the sound effects and the spirit of the holiday, that is your problem. You should probably share your opinion constructively, without attacking and name calling folks for enjoying the spirit of the fun. (Ooooh, white knights, what an original and witty insult. Is that even an insult? does that make those with opposing opinions of a white knight a troll? Don’t knights slay trolls?)
And no one is saying you shouldn’t be able to enjoy it. We just want the option to turn it off from our end so we don’t have to see it.
I’m a roamer, when I’m in small scale, or 1vX fights I need to be able to see wind up animations to win outnumbered fights.
They understood the joke ruins combat, that’s why PvP got a pass. By forcing it on WvW players they are once again showing that WvW isn’t important like their precious esport.
There is no point upon picking on people who enjoyed it. Think, if it messed you up, how many others had you fought that also were messed up? Also, maybe you could have just partied with a few people and got away from your norm for 1 day. And I agree with what DancingMonkey said, there was no need for the name calling and calling everyone’s posts out that enjoyed it. That was extremely childish. You have your opinions, we have ours. I personally was neutral, I didn’t care for it nor did I enjoy it. It was there, I worked with it and ignored it. I understand, the animations were screwed up, that must have sucked, but guess what. Today, it’s completely OKAY. (:
What the hell are you even talking about? Who did I pick on and where was I name calling? I said players that want to have it can have it and those that didn’t should have had the option to turn it off.
I don’t see how anyone can have a problem with giving players (especially players that enjoy small scale combat) the choice to turn off something that has a terrible affect on combat.
I don’t think it’s so much “easy payouts” as it is an imbalance in the tradeoffs paid by the classes.
Look at what an Elementalist gains by running the classic tourney build with Dagger/Dagger:
Single target damage (power and condition)
Cleave damage (power and condition)
Mobility
Healing (self and team)
Cleanse (self and team)
Crowd Control
Boon stacking (self and team)
The only thing they don’t have is “long range” and that isn’t really a problem when talking about Conquest given that contesting a point puts you quite close to each other … in fact, their abundance of AOE is well-suited for that little circle.
What exactly are they missing? Unless you can boon strip them, they aren’t even really squishy. If you do, they have the mobility to get away and reset.
All valid points. However i see more and more rangers owning d/d eles. Myself i can take down most D/D eles. Yes its not about 1v1s.
Rangers are good grouped as well.
High single target damage (more so than an ele)
High aoe damage(could be moreso than an ele…depends on ele build)
They have crazy good CC
They too can cure condis on group
They also have group heal
Great mobility
Condi damage second to none (on up to 5 people)
Spirit ranger has crazy team buffs as well. Although i think spirit rangers lacks a lot from other ranger builds.
Rangers were just in such a bad place for so long…they got a bad rep for being useless in Teams. They are far from that NOW.
Equal skill a D/D ele will win. Heck they can be worse and the build will carry them to a win as long as they know their rotations. Even if you are slowly winning the fight against them they have so much sustain that their teammates can rotate back before you kill them or cap the point.
Now if we had a way to strip their boons things might be different.
Wasn’t April fools a Children thingy??
No offense to people who like it.
But Why did they Exclude PvP, and not WvW(there Large Scale PvP Format).
Player vsPLayer =Player vs Player.
The number of people who attent to it at the same time shouldn’t make a difference.
And Anet seems to be haveing way to much time on there hands to make this instead of fixing the BUGS, that are ingame for months and months and months on end.
So Quit FOOLING around and go fix your game.
Ps. Why don’t they Hold a POLL to see if people still wanne have April Fool Joke.
If more then 50% doesn’t then Remove it from the yearly rotation.
There isn’t even a need for the poll. They can make it optional, the same way the bobble head one is now optional. Some people enjoy it and there isn’t any reason to take that away from them. In fact I encourage every player I’m fighting to use it so you will be at a disadvantage in the fight.
So many white knights here defending this. I don’t find it enjoyable. It makes the game unplayable for me. I’m simply asking for an option to turn it off for myself. How does that take away from the people that do find it fun? I have to sit through something i dont enjoy or just not play at all so other people can have fun? sounds fair. I really dont think having the option to turn these things off for myself is too much to ask for.
I like the airplane noises my character make when running around. If that harms your delicate sensibilities, that I enjoy the sound effects and the spirit of the holiday, that is your problem. You should probably share your opinion constructively, without attacking and name calling folks for enjoying the spirit of the fun. (Ooooh, white knights, what an original and witty insult. Is that even an insult? does that make those with opposing opinions of a white knight a troll? Don’t knights slay trolls?)
And no one is saying you shouldn’t be able to enjoy it. We just want the option to turn it off from our end so we don’t have to see it.
I’m a roamer, when I’m in small scale, or 1vX fights I need to be able to see wind up animations to win outnumbered fights.
They understood the joke ruins combat, that’s why PvP got a pass. By forcing it on WvW players they are once again showing that WvW isn’t important like their precious esport.
It’s pretty ridiculous that the PvP players get a pass on this crap but we are stuck with it. It was impossible to watch for tells in combat because so many animations were bugging out. The joke is fine for when people log on but you need to give an opt out button for WvW.
Team Deathmatch, just with towers and siege and keeps and whatever else.
First of the three to lose 300’000 tickets (lives) or the one with the highest score at the end of the week wins.
Mid-week 300k gets will determine overtime, where a random debuff is thrown in for all the competing servers!
Map should be chock full of chokes and open-fields and things and ridges and canyons and mesas and plateaus and grasslands.
Too satisfy the devs’ PvE needs, throw in epically strong bosses in certain locations with a mobile patrol pattern. Server that gets the last hit will get a random buff!
Outnumbered players get regenerating supply and automatic siege blueprints placed on key points! And PvE mobs that players can’t rally off of!
Now, shoot me down and criticize my suggestion!
Main negative thing is: Players will not be able to play this game mode because the servers can’t hold the pressure of the bajillions of stabiliteh numbers flying around.
Lower the population limit a little to prevent the horrendous skill delay and I would definitely play this.
RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )
You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.
So you are the most skilled ranger in the game?? Uhhh we have a VIP here.
I can’ t immagine how many times you died playing your ranger.
Ranger is totally broken and that’ s why people complain about it every day on the forums since day 1. Rangers simply plays without F skills and pets are ultra kitten and slow. They can ’ t land even one single Hit.
Ehy you White knight Do you want to deny that???
Moreover you should read thief forums and what they do think about rangers…and ask yourself why
Enjoy your ranger and enjoy getting stomped by every single class in this game.
I read the thief forum plenty. I get a good kick out of all the crying about Longbow being OP, sic ‘em being OP, rapid fire tracking through stealth OP, range OP, etc.
It’s full of players that cry about things being too difficult instead of working on improving their personal skill. I’m sure you fit in perfectly .
RANGERS are BAD.
Everyone knows that.
IT’ s not a learn to play issue. IT’ s a play a useless class issue. Rangers have 0 survival skills. Rangers have no decent F skills. Want to talk about Pets^?? why if my pet dies can t use any F skills?
Rangers compared to other class is simply zero worthy. That’s why it s Always the first target. That’s why it Always dies for first both in pvp and wvw.
That’ s why tons of rangers have quitted the game.
That’ s why even the devs during point of interest they NEVER play RANGER.
(They play warrior ofc )
You see, darkness here is the perfect example of why the community thinks rangers are bad. When a bad player like him tries out ranger and repeatedly dies he assumes something is wrong with the ranger class because the problem couldn’t possibly be his own lack of skill.
Try to not get stuff in the forums too personally. You won’t change the minds of these guys until you prove them wrong. As long as you are having fun and having success playing this game it doesn’t matter what build you play.
Some builds perform better than others at specific things and I do think a good power ranger brings more to the table compared to a good condi ranger. I am at a level where I can beat the best cele engis, shoutbows and even d/d eles in NA on power ranger.
Mostly this.
If a Power Ranger is the best a person can play – than everything’s fine.
But as I already said – that’s super rare. I played it for a few weeks myself, and found out that even if I can kill someone – I can kill someone even with other builds that do not die by breathing the air and can contribute to objectives as Revives, CC, AoE damage pressure and such. And I do not lose points by doing so (you are forced to leave the point if a serious contestant comes for you – which is his goal)
Yes, even a Power Ranger can contribute on the point … But can do that worse than anyone else in the game. Hence “he is bad at it” = brings less than others.
This seems to be a bit off topic from the overall view of rangers and more specific to longbow rangers in pvp. As far as playing longbow in pvp goes, I don’t have a problem killing people 1v1 or fighting on point. The problem is a thief or mesmer can out rotate a ranger and strip boons from cele players. They are just better equipped for the game mode.
As for the general view of rangers in pvp, people see them as easy wins as soon as they get focused because the majority of players are bad (all classes) and these bad rangers camp longbow while their opponent slaughters them in melee range.
I’m curious why you go into the skirmishing line. Is it for the stats or specifically for honed axes? I always found that trait a little underwhelming.
P.S. Again… Rangers in GW 2 are presented to players as Bow wielders by default in the ‘Archer’ sense, before the age of guns. If Anet wanted to present the Ranger to players as Rifle users, they would have done so, but they didn’t.
And coming from the Guild Wars 2 Wiki, it states, “Rangers are flexible and durable—proficient with the bow, yet surgical with the sword. Their loyal pets, which rangers tame and train, distract enemies while the rangers strike safely from a distance. As an adventurer profession, rangers wear medium armor.”
It is amazing how no one except me until now has quoted that. I was waiting for someone else to, yet no one did (yea, I get why…)
So let’s break down the above quoted, because after all, it is how Anet defines the class that matters most. Let’s see… ‘proficient’ with the Bow, yet ‘surgical’ with the Sword. (emphasis on the word yet, guys, because there is a reason for that).
Last I checked, someone ‘proficient’ in something is someone who uses that something more often (in this case, the Bow, or so that should be the case for Rangers in GW 2, yet it is not), whereas someone ‘surgical’ with something uses that something (in this case, the Sword) sparingly or wisely, or so that should be the case for Rangers in GW 2, yet it is not.
End of debate on my end.
Nothing in that statement says a ranger needs to stand at a specific distance to be proficient with the bow. In certain situations the bow is a lot more valuable at point blank range, a proficient ranger would be able to handle that. You keep trying to ignore the glaring failure in your argument, the rangers meta dungeon build includes the longbow.
And if you think “surgical” means to use something sparingly you need to invest in a dictionary.
Now since you have hit a point where people are using facts to poke holes in your arguments that are entirely based on how you “feel” the ranger should be played from all of your experience playing a different video game, you can lie to yourself that you are taking the high road by leaving.
I really have to hand it to you, Puck. I sat here just cringing my teeth trying my best not to respond, yet you’re an expert at provoking a response. I am not leaving this debate because I was defeated in it (trust me, I can hold my own in a debate until doomsday).
I am leaving this debate because there comes a time where I feel I can no longer make sense to those who can cannot make sense of common sense things, because the more I argue with someone I think a fool, the more I become a fool, too (in fact, I am fool for even saying anything more to you).
Again, I envy your provocative skills, and your ignorance is profound. I wish I was just as good at provoking responses, and I wish I was just as ignorant like no one’s looking…
Must be really cool to be you.
P.S. I know, incoming is the ‘All you can do is insult now because you have nothing better to say’ argument. * Puts on my not so amused face * Yea, been there, seen that one before. Keep believe that, though, because that is what you will believe no matter if I continue this debate or not.
I don’t have to resort to that, you clearly have nothing worth saying. You have been provided with counter arguments and still resort to, “This is common sense because that’s what I feel.”
You can keep clicking your heels and wishing for your feelings to be right but that isn’t going to change the way the game works. You think you have some special understanding of the ranger because you played GW1, but you aren’t some special snowflake. I played GW1 since 2005, I had multiple rangers in that game. I’ve been playing GW2 since the betas and have multiple rangers in this game, I don’t even want to think about the amount of gold I’ve spent on my rangers. So if you want to use experience as a measuring stick, I’ve still got you beat.
Either come back with an argument that has a little more substance than your feelings, or stick your fingers in your ears, shut your eyes real hard and keep repeating to yourself, “I know I’m right, I know I’m right…”
P.S. Again… Rangers in GW 2 are presented to players as Bow wielders by default in the ‘Archer’ sense, before the age of guns. If Anet wanted to present the Ranger to players as Rifle users, they would have done so, but they didn’t.
And coming from the Guild Wars 2 Wiki, it states, “Rangers are flexible and durable—proficient with the bow, yet surgical with the sword. Their loyal pets, which rangers tame and train, distract enemies while the rangers strike safely from a distance. As an adventurer profession, rangers wear medium armor.”
It is amazing how no one except me until now has quoted that. I was waiting for someone else to, yet no one did (yea, I get why…)
So let’s break down the above quoted, because after all, it is how Anet defines the class that matters most. Let’s see… ‘proficient’ with the Bow, yet ‘surgical’ with the Sword. (emphasis on the word yet, guys, because there is a reason for that).
Last I checked, someone ‘proficient’ in something is someone who uses that something more often (in this case, the Bow, or so that should be the case for Rangers in GW 2, yet it is not), whereas someone ‘surgical’ with something uses that something (in this case, the Sword) sparingly or wisely, or so that should be the case for Rangers in GW 2, yet it is not.
End of debate on my end.
Nothing in that statement says a ranger needs to stand at a specific distance to be proficient with the bow. In certain situations the bow is a lot more valuable at point blank range, a proficient ranger would be able to handle that. You keep trying to ignore the glaring failure in your argument, the rangers meta dungeon build includes the longbow.
And if you think “surgical” means to use something sparingly you need to invest in a dictionary.
Now since you have hit a point where people are using facts to poke holes in your arguments that are entirely based on how you “feel” the ranger should be played from all of your experience playing a different video game, you can lie to yourself that you are taking the high road by leaving.
So your argument is based on rangers in the real world…. Well in that case I think you should be petitioning anet to give rangers access to pistols and rifles. I know when I think about park rangers, army rangers, or texas rangers, I expect them to use knives, pistols and rifles a lot more often than bows.
Since what we are actually talking about is a game I am going to have to disagree with you. It isn’t ”common sense” that bows are rangers main weapons, that is your opinion. I use all of the ranger weapons. I have several builds that don’t use a bow at all.
And even if you were right and bows are the rangers main weapon you are still ignoring the fact that the meta dungeon build for ranger includes the longbow. In fact there is no aspect of the game that you can’t find a very strong build that utilizes a bow. Nothing you are complaining about makes any sense.
After I submit this comment, this is going to be it for me. I will leave the rest of the arguing up to everyone else at this point since I have said everything I am going to say.
To sum this whole thing up, I am completely aware (even given the Ranger’s current game state I do not agree with) how effective a Ranger is and can be. The problem is most groups I get in are absolutely prejudice towards Rangers, and because of that, I often have a tough time getting into parties, and it’s not because I use a Bear Pet or use the Bow 100% of the time. That being said, I do get into some groups, yet not very many and there’s a reason for that, reasons already stated in this thread.
My whole intent behind this thread was to get players to talking so maybe Anet can get the message as well so that perhaps the stigma surrounding Rangers (and a few other classes, to be fair) will be fixed, somehow, some way, whether or not Anet goes about it doing it their way.
Posts like this is the reason for the stigma surrounding rangers.
” Rangers are meant to use bows, I should be able to play however I want and everyone should adjust to me.”
If you want to change how people view rangers you need to be fluid in your own play style. Bring skills and adapt your fighting style to complement your group. I use the longbow very differently depending on the game mode or situation I am in. I don’t expect to sit at max range in a dungeon any more than I expect my enemies to stack in a corner to be dps’ed down in WvW.
So your argument is based on rangers in the real world…. Well in that case I think you should be petitioning anet to give rangers access to pistols and rifles. I know when I think about park rangers, army rangers, or texas rangers, I expect them to use knives, pistols and rifles a lot more often than bows.
Since what we are actually talking about is a game I am going to have to disagree with you. It isn’t ”common sense” that bows are rangers main weapons, that is your opinion. I use all of the ranger weapons. I have several builds that don’t use a bow at all.
And even if you were right and bows are the rangers main weapon you are still ignoring the fact that the meta dungeon build for ranger includes the longbow. In fact there is no aspect of the game that you can’t find a very strong build that utilizes a bow. Nothing you are complaining about makes any sense.
As for longbow being the rangers “main weapon”, I’m curious what you consider the “main” weapon for other classes. How about guardian? Would you consider their loot stick or hammer their main weapon? How would you feel if you ran a dungeon with a guardian that spammed staff 1 the entire fight to make sure he tagged as many mobs as possible?
That’s pretty much what you are asking for in this thread. Instead of adjusting your play style and working with your party (which in no way prevents you from using the longbow, once again, the longbow is still in the meta for dungeon runs) your want the game mechanics to change so you can sit back at max range and pew pew.
ranger
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Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1. forest ranger.
2. one of a body of armed guards who patrol a region.
3. (initial capital letter) a U.S. soldier in World War II specially trained for making surprise raids and attacks in small groups.
Compare commando (def 1).
4. a soldier specially trained in the techniques of guerrilla warfare, especially in jungle terrain.
5. a person who ranges or roves.
6. (especially in Texas) a member of the state police.
7. British. a keeper of a royal forest or park.
I especially like this one from merriam-webster – a soldier specially trained in close-range fighting and in raiding tactics
AR has a ton of 3-5 man roaming groups and you can usually find some good small group action in the BL’s. EBG tends to be a bit zergy, especially during prime time but you can still get in some bag farming there.
A lot of the time we won’t have a tag up anywhere on the map but as soon as a zerg tries to push our tower a bunch of roaming groups converge on it picking them off from all sides. It’s kind of hilarious to watch guild groups try to push and not be able to hit anything but a roamer or 2, meanwhile their back line is getting ripped apart.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
Based on the amount of people that interrupt duels when there is no reason to, and the amount of people in this thread making posts like this
Duellers should be banned, like they are in other games.
I make it a mission when I see a duel going down to disrupt that duel. The abuse I get is priceless.
There are for sure but, overall, I think most people, myself included, don’t have a problem with duelers so much as with what often goes with it in WvW including the attitude many arbor toward PPTers. Dueling in itself is not a problem.
The problem in this particular issue is we have 2 populations that want respect appearing to be mutually exclusive. At least from their POV. On one side if you duel for dueling in WvW you don’t respect the server’s effort, while OTOH if you interrupt duels for the shake of it you show no respect for the players involved in the duel.
It being a server context and being coherent with my stance, the greater sin has to be lacking respect to the server BUT not everyone is as rigid in that regards that dueling is automatically disrespectful no matter what. As long as people are reasonable and nice, the huge majority will be able to coexist without much problems.
The majority of the guilds on my server are smart enough to realize that PPT only matters in the sense that we need to keep it high enough to stay in a tier where we can have fun. If we completely ignore it we end up dropping a tier and just rofl stomping the servers we get put up against. The pugs and fairweathers love those weeks but the rest of us get extremely bored.
Going trykitten PPT just leads to players burning themselves out. It’s a much better situation when people are playing just to have fun. This leads to an atmosphere where people are a lot more willing to log in, which results in a higher PPT as a byproduct.
For me the good of the server has very little to do with how many towers we are capping, the server is good when the majority of the players are having fun.
I don’t understand the complaint here. Long bow is part of the ranger frost/spotter meta build. Is the complaint that people don’t want you standing at max range pew pewing while you use it? If that’s the complaint find some friends or start a casual group to do your runs with.
I’ve never had anyone complain or kick me from a group for running ranger, but I also don’t choose to run a wonky build, hop into speed runs and expect them to adjust to me.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
A lot based on what?
Based on the amount of people that interrupt duels when there is no reason to, and the amount of people in this thread making posts like this
Duellers should be banned, like they are in other games.
I make it a mission when I see a duel going down to disrupt that duel. The abuse I get is priceless.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
But what you are saying now is completly different. With full map ques and still doing duels is kinda weird in my opinion. If you guys get bored and decided to start duels in the late evening when almost none is around who could be against that type dueling?
Good question. Unfortunately the answer is a lot of people.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
Not really, because in the end these duelers are egotistical people. They dont care about other people playing the wvw game.
My group and I stayed up late one night and ended up flipping about half a bl, while holding all of that we started running duels with the 2 opposing servers night crews. Everyone was hanging out having a good time, we were still holding the highest PPT without having to chase the defenders around the map back capping each other.
Another random guild from our server decided it would be funny to troll our duels. We told them we were dueling and asked them to stop but they gave us the same crappy attitude a lot of the people in this thread have, “WvW isn’t about fighting, blah blah blah.”
We told the players from the other server to go ahead and kill them and we all had a good laugh. Instead of trying to cap stuff on their own they spent about 45 minutes trying to troll us and repeatedly dying before giving up. Of course at that point we were pretty kittened so we started following them around while still in a party with players from the other servers and dropping bali sites over their ram sites. Any time they tried taking anything they ended up getting wiped and everyone would laugh spam them.
If you are worried about PPT then spend your time getting a higher PPT. You can’t always tell when someone is dueling and accidents will happen, but when you know players are dueling and decide to waste time trolling them all you are doing is being a kitten and creating bad blood between groups for your own server.
If you decide to repeatedly interrupt players that are dueling after it has been made clear they are dueling, you should expect those players to follow you around and ruin your fun as well. Get used to having gates tapped early, areas being siege locked by balista sites, etc.
This needs to be addressed sooner rather than later Anet. If you can’t fix it then you should just pull back the limits on the invulnerable area so that we can bali or ac these areas.
Most rangers that you run into are going to be bad, heck most players you run into will be bad. The issue is most of the meta builds you see for other classes will carry bad players to an extent, to survive being focused as a ranger you have to be a good player.
