Guild Wars 2

Rifle warriors are a running joke on my server, I’m not sure if they are absolutely the easiest build to kill but they are pretty darn close. Since all the ways you could have countered it have been listed numerous times and you continue to ignore any helpful advice I’m not sure what is left to say.

I’m torn between advising you to play a new class or just making fun of you for dying to a rifle warrior.

Oh I actually do have some advice that is common sense for most people. If you are fighting X numbers target the easy bags like rifle warriors first.

Aomine.5012:

Also, I do have to apologize about underestimate other tiers, but I looked at many you-tube streamers and find their opponents are often very new, low rank, or just plain incompetent. My knowledge of tier strength are only from T2 and T1. In comparison I do find T1 alot harder to win a duel. (Also T1 tends to roam in 3~5, so it’s an entire different story against those guild group..)

You see a lot of low rank players in those youtube videos because they are free bags. It looks good to be able to 1v5 a group, never mind the fact 2 are uplevels and the rest are invaders.
It’s been about a year since I’ve played on a T1 server but since then I have played in every tier except for T2 and I have found the skill level of solo roamers actually increases as you go down in tiers. There are always going to be a handful of exceptional roamers in every tier but the average skill level in bronze tends to be higher.

On the other hand group fighting skills tend to increase as you move up.

Skeletor.9360:

Have 2 types of WvW servers.

1.) Balance popu;lation server.
2.) Gank fest.

I actually really like this idea. Give people the option and see what the majority chooses. I for one would definitely go for balanced matches even if it meant sitting in queue to get them. My server got a low roll this week and is steam rolling, I’ve barely logged in because of it.

DarkSyze.8627:

thefantasticg.3984:

DarkSyze.8627:

Unholy Pillager.3791:

mtpelion.4562:

1500 range is offset by low DPS under 1200, plus the attacks are ridiculously easy to dodge (they are slow firing, slow traveling, and you have lots of time to see them coming from 1500 away).

That’s already been mentioned. So has dodging, reflection, blocking, and the fact that 1500 range can be covered in about 3 seconds by most professions. Also the fact that rangers have terrible defenses if specced for longbow. The problem here is that the OP doesn’t actually give the responses more than a cursory glance, and wonders why we get upset with him. It’s the online equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and yelling “la la la I can’t hear you 1500 range OP!”

I am not doing that at all and i am listening. I will stop writing.

Good. You need to play more. Looking at your post history you’re currently advocating nerfs on Warriors, Engineers, Thieves, and Rangers. Please do us, and especially yourself, a favor and learn how to play the game instead of trying to get classes nerfed because you have problems fighting them.

It is not i am having problem with them because i like challenge. What i find problem is how they have more advantage without any effort and consequence. It is common sense for any game designer to not design a profession by give high it high advantage without have penalty, concequence and risk. Like one of the designer say, “it is complete suicide without having any risk”

I advocate and will always advocate for challenge: I will never advocate for no challenge. Having maximum advantage with no or almost no effort, no risk, no consequence and less penalty is instant fail to fun.

Last: How do these class; thief, engineer, ranger and elementalist is reward for doing almost nothing? While other class have to work 10x time harder for reward?

That is not Challenge!

Example: Marathon Race! – 8 runner— 4 runner using steroid, other 4 not using steroid, marathon end..

What 4 runner win?
What 4 runner lose?

(Remember: the marathon race require challenge and effort).

So once again you spout your broken rhetoric while ignoring the arguments. How about you address the actual points being made? Better yet why don’t you show us how OP the longbow is by dueling me or fighting anyone else with half a brain in a 1v1.

Standing off to the side of a zerg fight and tagging people doesn’t make a weapon over powered. If you really believed there was no risk when playing longbow you wouldn’t be afraid to 1v1.

Yeah I’ve run to it on uplevels without a problem. If you run into a situation where a roamer is guarding the camp near the wolf and he keeps killing you just politely whisper him and let him know you are just trying to get the wolf and will be going back to PvE after that. Most people will be cool about it.

Better yet, grab some of your PvE guildies and organize a WvW night, y’all might enjoy yourselves.

So I just re-watched the video and at about the 35 second mark all I could think was, “Oh god I hope they fixed the stacking fall damage you get from running down stairs”

I have 3 rangers at the moment, none of which are human. I’ll probably make a 4th once they revert the stupid “New player experience” that makes you pay for traits or grind PvE. The 4th still won’t be human.

IMonkeyAssasin.5708:

What is Technobabble MoC build ?

Moment of clarity, Great sword, shortbow, technobabble. MoC doubles the duration of your stuns and dazes, you space them out and keep your opponent completely shut down. It’s hilarious in small scale fights.

Edit: Something similar to this http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNQQJAVRlMqojlluxlFUtMwhQ1aFYHALQC4eIehqOlVkg1UB-TlSBABbcEACc/hHeAAUq+jZKBvS5HKaCwTHwCHCAAuAAkCQPhWA-w

I have run hybrid and more tanky versions as well, you can swap a bunch of stuff around to better suit your play style.

Reavan.8753:

100b can’t apparently to you be dodged or shadowsteped.

Or you could just walk out of it since they get rooted in place lol.

Jski.6180:

Puck.9612:

I’m reserving judgement until I see it but the description sounds terrible for roamers and open field fighting. I’m worried they are trying to cater to the eotm k-train crowd.

Its sounds like K-trains will not work there with all the anty-zerg tools.

That’s what people thought about eotm as well but when everyone is being funneled into certain points it creates blobs.

On the current maps you can attack objectives from multiple sides, bypass a tower that is heavily sieged to make people come out and fight, etc.

If areas are cut off until you bust a tower everyone will be forced to the same spot.

I’m reserving judgement until I see it but the description sounds terrible for roamers and open field fighting. I’m worried they are trying to cater to the eotm k-train crowd.

Asuran. Technobabble, and it’s harder for the enemy to see your skills.

Or just leave it as is and stop making PvE so easy that a brain dead monkey can play it successfully… That’d be awesome.

We have been brainstorming this idea recently and came up with (in my opinion) slightly better builds. Check out this thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Front-line-Ranger-Build

One thing I am certain about is if you want to stick on the tag you are much better off dropping 1 hand sword for axe. In a zerg fight if you try using sword without a target you will leap away from your group. Plus if you do need to fall back for a few seconds axe will still give you a pretty solid cleave damage on the enemy group.

Tempest.4507:

Puck.9612:

Tempest.4507:

Puck.9612:

Mayama.1854:

Puck.9612:

Shiyo.3578:

Not as p/d they don’t. It’s like dying to a PU mesmer.

and what do you run as a secondary weapon for p/d? What does a thief’s class mechanic allow him to do? What do several utilities let you do?

If you chase with bow as p/d you have no initiative to deal damage, if you deal damage with p/d you have no initiative to chase.

Oh yeah of course.. I mean unless you count all the bleeds that caltrops applies, the confusion that steal applies, the poison on shortbow, proccing the condi’s from krait runes, and whatever condi’s your shortbow sigils apply.

If we are chasing, how are we gonna drop those caltrops? Stealing? that thing has 22 secs cooldown.(That is if you have traited for it. Normally 35) Confusion?(only if you are traited for it) Again, how will it help chasing someone down? The posion from shortbow? You mean a projectile that is slower than person who threw it? And only applies 1 stack of posion? Only thing the posion field is useful right now is for increasing the ress time on downed enemy players… As for runes and sigils, they are there for all other classes aswell.

I guess when you aren’t used to weapon cool downs 22 seconds must feel like an eternity….
But you’re absolutely right, the profession with the best mobility has no chance of chasing anyone down, thief is terribly under powered, might as well uninstall.

Best mobility? HAH! You are a funny one. Try to catch a warrior. Our shadowstep does nothing at all except wasting 6 kitten initiative which is half of what we have. If we go ahead and try to chase someone down we end up dying to a burst.

Edit: Tried to chase down a guardian in WvW. He managed to reach to his keep from SM without even trying to hit me once.

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That’s not even an argument. Warrior comes in a close second for land speed but thieves have repeatedly proven to be faster. When you start adding in their ability to quickly traverse vertical terrain through ports it’s not even a contest.

As far as you not being able to stop a guardian who literally ignored you…. that says way more about you than it does the profession. I mean guardians are annoyingly tanky but maybe you need to add some immobilizes or something to your build because that is embarrassing.

Tempest.4507:

Puck.9612:

Mayama.1854:

Puck.9612:

Shiyo.3578:

Not as p/d they don’t. It’s like dying to a PU mesmer.

and what do you run as a secondary weapon for p/d? What does a thief’s class mechanic allow him to do? What do several utilities let you do?

If you chase with bow as p/d you have no initiative to deal damage, if you deal damage with p/d you have no initiative to chase.

Oh yeah of course.. I mean unless you count all the bleeds that caltrops applies, the confusion that steal applies, the poison on shortbow, proccing the condi’s from krait runes, and whatever condi’s your shortbow sigils apply.

If we are chasing, how are we gonna drop those caltrops? Stealing? that thing has 22 secs cooldown.(That is if you have traited for it. Normally 35) Confusion?(only if you are traited for it) Again, how will it help chasing someone down? The posion from shortbow? You mean a projectile that is slower than person who threw it? And only applies 1 stack of posion? Only thing the posion field is useful right now is for increasing the ress time on downed enemy players… As for runes and sigils, they are there for all other classes aswell.

I guess when you aren’t used to weapon cool downs 22 seconds must feel like an eternity….
But you’re absolutely right, the profession with the best mobility has no chance of chasing anyone down, thief is terribly under powered, might as well uninstall.

Mayama.1854:

Puck.9612:

Shiyo.3578:

Not as p/d they don’t. It’s like dying to a PU mesmer.

and what do you run as a secondary weapon for p/d? What does a thief’s class mechanic allow him to do? What do several utilities let you do?

If you chase with bow as p/d you have no initiative to deal damage, if you deal damage with p/d you have no initiative to chase.

Oh yeah of course.. I mean unless you count all the bleeds that caltrops applies, the confusion that steal applies, the poison on shortbow, proccing the condi’s from krait runes, and whatever condi’s your shortbow sigils apply.

Shiyo.3578:

Not as p/d they don’t. It’s like dying to a PU mesmer.

and what do you run as a secondary weapon for p/d? What does a thief’s class mechanic allow him to do? What do several utilities let you do?

Shiyo.3578:

Thief is still the best group pvp class in the game, it’s just also the worst 1v1 class in the game unless someone doesn’t know how to run from a p/d thief(hold w).

…..and ignore the fact that thieves have the best mobility in the game?

joneirikb.7506:

AR have traditionally been a “for the fights server” though they’re starting to run a bit more zerg heavy these days.

Pretty fair description of AR. The 4 weeks of dealing with Mag’s current bandwagon forced us to start running zergs out of necessity to bust up enemy zergs, but now we usually just run them when we need to and then split back up into small groups. A lot of times our “zerg” is just a bunch of roam groups responding to a call for help, we love a good bag farm.

I think we are currently locked into the best tier for small group fighting, we’ll likely go up against SoR and GoM next week who have similar coverage. Should be pretty fun and competitive. We have a server website, TS and a pretty good community. I think you’d really enjoy AR.

If I were going to choose a server other than AR I would suggest GoM or Kain. Kain is a weird server to fight because they lack a strong NA prime time presence, from an opposing server pov they have decent small man roaming groups but a pretty bad zerg group. They are on the ball when it comes to upgrading and sieging towers and keeps though.
GoM just seem to love to fight. We’ve had fights where we wiped them multiple times and they just kept coming back. They have a few good roamers and small man groups but they seem to have less good ones overall than other servers around these tiers. But they respect duels and are quick to compliment you on a good fight when roaming. They seem to be a very friendly community.

TexZero.7910:

1 ) CD doesn’t build open field siege, so either you’re hallucinating or just tired. It’s okay.
2) CD has never rallied 40+ to take your stuff this entire match up

Yeah…. that’s not true at all. Do you not play during prime time?

King Noob IV.3560:

WTF what’s with all these people saying thieves sucked I thought they were feared by squishies and one, if not the best duelist in the game

Bad players prefer to blame their shortcomings on any little thing they can rather than admit that other players might be better than them.