Guild Wars 2

Default.4015:

Free PvEer loot bags for the first couple weeks. After that its a map where you no longer have to look for fights during off hours or kill the stragglers off of zergs just to find someone outside of a blob/tower. The fact that all servers will be feeding into this maps population means no stale matchups and no ppt to draw huge zergs. Just a place for small groups/soloers to run around and play for the fights. Should be a lot of fun if roamers use this map to fight against one another away from the zergs that usually ruin fights.

You actually think there will be no zergs in EoTM? What is to stop a zerg from forming and killing all who gets in its way?

I have less faith in my fellow gamers. There will be be a zerg(s)…its just human nature to form a herd eventually.

Handin.4032:

gebrechen.5643:

A good solution for this problem would be perma bans for trolls.

The best way to do that is they actually had GMs that would come inside the game to the zone and look for themselves

Yep….in game ANet Mods would go a long way to stopping this kind of stuff. Issue 3 Day bans as a warning…then boot em if they don’t stop?

Not dying in TC right now….but a new PvE expansion / update could hurt, lol.

kelman.9451:

When EQ Next comes out and if it is at good as it sounds like it could be, GW2 will probably take a hit to the player base and WvW will empty out even more.

EQNext is 2 yrs away at least. We know next to nothing about it except that maybe female dwarves will have beards and..oh yeah…they are gonna use voxels to beat up the world with. Presumably, to give the player something to do instead of playing the game?

Tera is the pits…in community and gameplay. Flopped a few months right outa the box. Why would ANet want to bring a failed methodology to a successful game?

I hate spvp, but I love WvW….same here Doc. I’ve played since the early Betas, but it took me a couple of months out of roll out before I ventured in.

Build Siege in concentric layers. On the walls, behind the walls, in the doorways, overhead. Make them pay dearly for the keep, tower etc..

Eles , necros, guardians can buff / cleanse siege operators. Have your warriors drop banners around cruciual siege points. Its a better use of manpower than standing on a wall taking potshots at a teeming zerg.

Yeah, lots of times there is a horde of them, but enough siege manned by a small organized group can make them change their mind and just leave.

Its still condition duration…not, technically dmg. More like potential dmg if you or your party members don’t do something about it. Out of the 5 of you, someone or someones ought to be able to control the food buff.

Maybe delegate a slot or 2 to condition control if you feel the issue is affecting you too much?

I deal with this issuse every day on my guard. Judging by my current opponents how much condition control I need to delegate over my regular shouts. And changing on the run.

Personally, I think those kinds of off-the-cuff decisions make the game interesting.

Besides, my Necro loves pizza

Curunen.8729:

Raf.1078:

I left for awhile. Nearly 6 months actually. Came back a few weeks ago and am having fun again. If you aren’t having fun, go play or do something else.

Same.

And I find it mostly fun too, especially the combat.

The only thing I don’t find fun is working towards all this ascended gear – stupid and unnecessary. I’m ignoring weapons and armour for the moment.

Yeah…I’m ignoring it too. Exotic gear is fine for me or the ascended stuff I can buy with wvw laurels / badges and such.

Kevan.8912:

Raf.1078:

If you aren’t having fun, go play or do something else.

every time the same words.

my opinion: no. for now, it’s more disappointment for recent changes than fun. so yes…no gw2 on my ssd until a miracle occurs.

Apparently the game not residing on your hard drive doesn’t keep you from the forums though, eh?

For PvE…I’ll take a Ranger for soloing overland. Fast with good ranged / melee options. Maybe not for dungeons, but exploring yeah.

I left for awhile. Nearly 6 months actually. Came back a few weeks ago and am having fun again. If you aren’t having fun, go play or do something else.

OP could always go play TERA. Gankers vs Gankers there….and a community to match.

I like this game. But I don’t care or even participate all that much in the temp stuff. I’m old fashioned. I want to explore new areas . I’d much rather have a yearly or bi-yearly large content update / expansion. Even if they want $ for it.

In the meantime, wvw keeps me playing.

Travis the Terrible.4739:

Raf.1078:

Guild Halls will make ghost towns of all the cities.

Wouldn’t mind player housing though.

Except all the cities aside from lions arch ARE GHOST TOWNS. Seriously have you been to rata sum?

Rata Sum? Even my Asura characters move to DR as soon as they can. That said Hoelbrak, DR and The Black Citadel on TC seem pretty busy to me. Can’t speak for Rata Sum or The Grove as I don’t care for either.

But Guild Halls will make it worse.

There is no way to make it “fair” coverage-wise without stepping on someone elses toes. Its a globe spanning game. Even the US time zones can affect coverage.

Your solutions just shift issues….to your advantage, presumably. But, they don’t solve anything.

Maybe try to recruit the guilds you need to fill coverage holes?

Guild Halls will make ghost towns of all the cities.

Wouldn’t mind player housing though.

Read all these posts and the one thing that kept coming to mind….its not the game that is the problem. Its your problem.

Its just a game. Play it for fun…and when it becomes no longer fun. Go do something else. Expecting anything to amuse you forever is just silly.

I dislike these monthly mini-update things. Or the seasonal stuff. Would much rather have new lands to explore.

Less swamps next time, however…..the new maps could be bigger though.

I just use wvw to level any more. At least until they open up some new lands. Seasonal events are just not my thing. I’ve got 10 alts, so there is very little (if any) overland stuff I haven’t done…even if the most map completion per toon I have is only 65%….did the rest on alts,lol.

The keep waypoints have timers. Its not like they are blocked forever. Even if you don’t have someone at sentry duty, its not a big deal for someone to run down and check the gates. Just keeps teams on their toes, imo.

Gamers have changed. Better to find yourself a good guild. Thats the only place you’ll find a decent community any longer.

Do you even read what you post? Or do you just type mindlessly?

You said…." TC invented beating up on smaller population servers. You’re doing it in this match up….."

I merely pointed out the double standard in that statement.

Not quite what I’m looking for. I’d like to see them open up more pve maps. I need something new to explore, lol.

Any mature adult who happens to like gaming is going to be aware that 95% of the forums is pure kitten anyway. Any gaming forum, for that matter.

So much unused space out there. Anyone heard anything about Anet opening any new zones?

Super Kruegs.8967:

Of course you just want fights – silver league ones where you can overwhelm the smaller servers. ;-)

[/quote]TC invented beating up on smaller population servers. You’re doing it in this match up. Before leagues it was almost universally thought you had the second or third highest population of all the NA servers. Not that we care we love all those TC baddies filling up our 20 slotters with those sweet RP bags. We won one week after you guys got beat up in gold, but i think it’s pretty safe to say without a massive EU push for seven days straight we can’t win with all those early morning golem rushes. We have a decent OCX advantage, but beyond that it’s more TC most the time even on non-holiday weeks with all those fairweathers back. Happy holidays TC we gave you what you love the most our PPT!!![/quote]

Not unlike FA lording it over the T3 servers a few weeks ago, huh? What was that? A 7 week winning streak?

Match-ups are what they are. Make the best of them..or not. Whatever you prefer.

TC has been in the very same position you guys are when facing a couple of T1 servers. The thing is…we like those kinds of battles.

Only peeps griping about conditions are those who mains rely on something other than conditions. There is a balance in traiting, group make-up and delegating skill slots for personal condition control for all the classes. Its a compromise, no doubt…but isn’t that part of the challenge?

Sacrifice a shout, banner or (insert skill here) for a CC slot?…

But whatta bout’ my dps?!!!

I play every class in wvw…some better than others no doubt. Knowing how necros operate, I’m constantly balancing and changing skill slots for CC or shouts on my guardian…just depends on who/what we’re fighting.

But those kinds of decisions are part of the game. Nothing here should be fire & forget.

If ANet wanted to make it even more fair…the players that killed you should get your loot that you left lying around.

Even if I bothered to get ascended gear, I’d just the skin the weapons and armor with something else. Most of the ascended stuff is pretty dumb looking, imo.

Johje Holan.4607:

Ah, is that why I can sell my silk scraps now at the TP and make good money.

I recently returned to the game after a 5 month absense. Was just vendoring my scraps when, for whatever reason, checked the TP. Been selling em like crazy ever since

Zaoda.1653:

Not being able to collect surrounding loot when you’re dead. For the love of squirrels, PLEASE fix it. It’s driving me nuts. The countless loot I’ve missed because of this… I can’t even… I know this thread will probably never even be looked at by a dev, so I guess I’m just venting my frustrations of what WvW needs fixing.

What are you guys’ turn offs in WvW?

Look at this way…you are a corpse…the enemy is rifling your pockets and stealing your boots.

Why do you think you deserve the loot when you are dead?

UHD.2634:

Boonprot.6274:

Asudementio.8526:

Boonprot.6274:

NOPE CERN pub central at TC WK very very sad. Entire queue inside of a single keep and they won’t push out and play with 30-40 Mag. Spam building siege ftw I guess.

Entire queue? What queue where?

Oop you’re right there. Had ~15 running supply from wherever to build more siege at all times.

Honestly, <b>the only reason why Mag ever attacks your keeps is to force the people inside to fight us</b>. If you want to guarantee your structure’s safety, just constantly fight us open-field.

That statement confirms how naive some mags are. You wanna fight TC open field when you’re near/in their keep? I wonder how many times TC left their siege for openfield, lol.

The game is WvW…it includes cross field charges, tactical retreats, siege craft, map craft, scout mgmt, supply chain mgmt, leadership, single combat, open field combat. and PPT.

Seems like a lot of forum warriors in Mag and FA can only grasp a single facet of a multi faceted game.

I guess they have to be good at something…

Jaxs.5830:

Raf.1078:

Interesting. When FA beat TC last week it was because of their superior organization and outstanding open field fighting skills.

Now with FA in 2nd place…its because of 2 v 1.

Some things never change.

Yes because this thread is full of people talking about 2v1… seriously, read more then one post before you share your wisdom with us.

Naw….I’ll pass…wisdom is free…want some more? Got plenty.

Interesting. When FA beat TC last week it was because of their superior organization and outstanding open field fighting skills.

Now with FA in 2nd place…its because of 2 v 1.

Some things never change.

iAmTheDuke.6201:

Tyrion is extra quite today…
I wonder why?
I’m guessing its because he lost all of FA borderlands during NA prime.
^^ jajajaja

Probably grounded from the comp by his parents ….

Aberrant.6749:

Raf.1078:

I really have no interest in small group action. I play WvW, not Tpvp…I use siege, fight from battlements, use cannon on infantry, retreat to the safety of the keep if necessary and fight in the zerg. I carry supply and build siege in field to give our zerg an advantage over an enemy group…large or small.

We’ll use the full force of the zerg on “any” quantity of enemy players. Simply because you are in the way as we proceed to the next objective.

Our numbers are legion….the TC Militia really doesn’t give a fat rats kitten about small groups. Except to make them dead.

This person does not speak for everyone… to say the least.

There is no way any person on any forum can ever speak for the entire server. The statements above are my own. A tongue in cheek non apology for zerging. It seems like all too many TC’ers are trying so hard to convince others that we don’t zerg.

Its total bs….we zerg, they zerg…all servers zerg when it suits them. I have no problem with zerging. I have no problem with a zerg to taking down a smaller group. Happens all the time.

One on one…you small groupers are better than me. So I run with the zerg. Lots of us do. Numbers are “usually” better than skill.

I really have no interest in small group action. I play WvW, not Tpvp…I use siege, fight from battlements, use cannon on infantry, retreat to the safety of the keep if necessary and fight in the zerg. I carry supply and build siege in field to give our zerg an advantage over an enemy group…large or small.

We’ll use the full force of the zerg on “any” quantity of enemy players. Simply because you are in the way as we proceed to the next objective.

Our numbers are legion….the TC Militia really doesn’t give a fat rats kitten about small groups. Except to make them dead.

Jeez…listen to yourselves. FA comes to T2 armed with tennis rackets crying about the number of people on the football field.

Adjust to the Tier or lose….those are your choices.

Voice com is important. But real life trumps every time. There are just situations that simply don’t allow for voice. Nothing you or anyone else can say that will change the minds of peeps in those situations.

Aberrant.6749:

Furiousbeard.7602:

TC and FA are obviously very close in size, but you guys can’t represent like Maguuma or SOS.

You’ve never been known for anything else besides blobs.

Pfftt, whatever. I soloed all of this.

#RepresentTC

Oh…so thats one of those 10 man FA groups looking for the “good fight” Furious is talking about?

Super Kruegs.8967:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Start of the week: Take the lead so we can get rid of all these casual people!
End of the week: You guys have too many! Only omniblobs!

It’s not that there are too many. It’s that you’re all in one place at a time on any given map. There’s very little small to mid size fights (5-15) to be had. Making it a really boring matchup unless you like trebbing, blobbing around with 30 of your server friends, or clubbing poor zerglings trying to get back to their group. I’m sure all the FA zerg guilds are having a good ole’ time cutting down all your baddies, but for the roamers and small guilds it’s pretty lame. Can’t you just break off like 10 from your blob and send them my way instead of sending the whole server for a 5 man gank team… please I have cookies i’m willing to share.

Hehe…you’re gonna love the T1’s then.

Super Kruegs.8967:

Been awhile forgot why TC match ups are the worst match ups for groups under 10. TC has no guilds/groups under 10. GF is as close as it gets and they aren’t TC OG. All we see is zergs and zerglings trying to get back to their zergs. We saw NAGA running down 1 and 2 people across almost the entire map at least a half a dozen times last night. The Furiousbeard run down was literally the entire map, from near north camp all the way to our spawn on TCBL. Almost every fight leads to cannon fire as the cowards on the wall won’t jump down as we’re chasing even numbers back into keeps. It’s either blobs or karma trains both being rather boring. Don’t get me wrong I love getting zerged down after a good fight, but I’d like an open field close to even fight once in week. Not QQ just saying have some fun it’s okay to die with less than double numbers sometimes it just might make you better players

We don’t normally chase “single players” across entire maps. Only FA brings that out in us.

See…ya’ll are speshul.

Phantom.8130:

Raf.1078:

insanemaniac.2456:

Raf.1078:

Somewhere in the back alleys of the net, the Glicko entity is hoisting a cold one and asking…“Miss me yet?”

no. and i never will.

Then you never wanted parity in the first place.

nah, see, the glicko system was never designed for being used anywhere close to the way it was being used here. it’s designed for a 1 person versus 1 person competition, or at least 1 stable team versus 1 stable team. it doesn’t take into account varying population over the course of a single week long match, nor is it intended to be used in a 1v1v1 format. overall, it was the wrong system to use entirely. parity is pretty irrelevant at that point. any point system that doesn’t involve RNG would have an equal amount of parity to it, if not moreso. the problem wasn’t switching from a glicko system, it was Anet sticking RNG where it doesn’t belong, and doing a poor job of it at that.

Glicko wasn’t the perfect system…but was it really worse than what you have now? Of the 2 systems, which was better overall?

I’d take Glicko back in a heartbeat over the system now. And probably over leagues too…though, to be fair..that remains to be seen.

insanemaniac.2456:

Raf.1078:

Somewhere in the back alleys of the net, the Glicko entity is hoisting a cold one and asking…“Miss me yet?”

no. and i never will.

Then you never wanted parity in the first place.

Myst.3082:

PROBLEM AND SOLUTION.

Radioactive you are 100% right. WvW is a ghost town this week. My server is crushing the other two and it’s no fun for any of us. I have even started looking looking for a new PC game so, for a massive GW2 fan like myself, I realised something is wrong and have come to the forums to see if others are feeling the same.

Problem – server whitewash. Evidence WvW maps 95% of territory held by 1 server.
Problem – uneven match-ups = server moral falling. Evidence; read the WvW match-up forums for all of the 5 blowout matches.
Problem – Playing other servers 5-6 ranks above or below. Evidence millenium.org.
The millenium.org bar graphs highlight the inequality. In fact it looks like the leading server’s bar is a massive erectus and the other two are ‘softies’.

There are only two tiers with a close match. Tier 1 and tier 7.
1 Blackgate v’s 3 Jade Quarry.
20 Eredon Terrace v’s 22 Fergusson’s Crossing.

And suddenly you understand…
THE SOLUTION.
These servers are NOT 5-6 ranks above each other. There is a 2 rank difference.

So for the love of Asura, PLEASE match us against other serves within 1-2 ranks above or below.

We don’t care if we play against BP or CD or Kain every week as long as it’s close.

No one wants to be matched with servers 3-6 ranks below. We crush them, they leave, it gets boring. BP and CD and Kain don’t leave. They keep coming at us and they make us bleed for every inch of ground. That’s what we play for.

There is no perfect system. But surely there is logic in matching us against the servers who are close to your equal.

Or most specifically….“We don’t care if we play against BP or CD or Kain every week as long as it’s close….”

Be careful what you ask for…you might get it.

For months people on this forum berated ANet endlessly about Glicko. Which pretty much had well matched servers playing each other endlessly. For the most part…there were a couple servers that got stuck. But overall, it was better than this mess.

Somewhere in the back alleys of the net, the Glicko entity is hoisting a cold one and asking…“Miss me yet?”

Pretty mixed in our guild too…couples, singles…we’re all on voice so chat is pretty cool. It will be the same for most guilds or even your servers wvw voice server.

I won’t play Asura, Charr or sylvari.

Asura are too short.

Charr? I hate being a quadruped

Sylvari are just too ugly.

Norns and humans only for me….but thats okay.

Its just time to take a break, OP. Go play another game…a new one or an old favorite. You’ve already purchased GW2. It will still be here when you decide to come back.

SoggyFrog.4170:

Sorry if I generalized too much when I said “organized groups”, it’s obviously a broad category.

Yes, I state here what it is I get out of WvW; I’m making my case to the developers that these elements are an important part of WvW and should not be shuffled to the side. It’s partly a normative statement.

But I also offer a criticism of the solution Devon proposes for what he has already identified as a problem: That numbers are the deciding factor even when nuanced tactics (and strategy) aren’t employed. Devon offers more siege options as the answer, and I explain why that conclusion is flawed. That has nothing to do with my opinion of how the game should be played, it’s simply my logical reasoning.

However, as a guild and community leader regularly in contact with other guilds, and having heard the opinion of number of guilds on this statement specifically, I think I do speak for many of the players whom Devon attempted to address in his statement on the future of WvW. We (those who share my opinions) consider ourselves to be organized groups, but do not agree with his assessment of how WvW should be changed to give dedicated WvW players a better chance against large zergs.

If you want to address my criticisms, stop building strawmen and resorting to personal attacks and explain to me why the strong combat mechanics that this game features should be universally subordinated to a few environmental weapon skills. I enjoy the use of siege in appropriate situations, but I don’t think that it needs to define WvW.

I was addressing Xenn. Not you. That said, what makes you think that limited contact with a few guilds on your server is indicative of world-wide opinion? I’d say that was an extremely limited sampling bordering on outright heresay.

Siegecraft is as much a skill as anything else in this game. I think you’ve got it backwards. The game was designed around the deployment and use of that equipment in combat situations. Also, Siege is not an environmental weapon..at least as ANet uses the term.

Choosing to not utilize siege and focusing on player combat is a personal choice that can be made in this game regardless of siegecraft as it stands now. The game doesn’t have to be changed for you to do that.

Personally, I’m pretty excited to see the siege concepts they have up their dev sleeves.