Guild Wars 2

Sure see a lot of zergs in WvW. Guess you guys might be the minority here. I still enjoy wvw. Zerging or small groups. Its mostly about having a good time with friends in any case. Most of my toons have siege bunker maxed….so the AC’s are annoying, yes. But no more than they were before.

I still like it, still play it when I can…but I don’t live in there or turn it into a job.

Rob.7624:

Highlie.7641:

Hm running out of crazy builds to use. Broke out the single sword single dagger last night. hilarious , any suggestions for tonight

No weapons, no armour. You can only use utilities, tonics, food and stake.

And enviromentals…..the mental image of a thief running around with a broken bottle or plank??

I don’t use SB either. I main SP & alternate DD. Probably should be the other way around, but I like my sword n pistol.

May have to try dual pistols though.

Best remedy for boredom in any game is to step away for awhile.

Boredom isn’t a game issue….its a “you” issue.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Flerch.4817:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Flerch.4817:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Flerch.4817:

They killed that many people without using stealth? Obviously they are hackers and should be reported. Sorry, post fail.

That’s why I didn’t post any clips from Chow Yun Fat movies. That dude is obviously a hacker and would get pistols nerfed for sure.

I’ve been wanting to get a second pistol for a while and your posts have convinced me it MUST be when I get on today. Even if I can’t afford sigils. Pew pew pew pew!

I’m anxious to hear the results of your first day playing pew/pew thief. Hit me up sometime over the weekend and we’ll get some gunslinger duels going!

I must be one of the bad guys; my pew pew never kills anyone.

Quite the contrary. It just means you’re playing WvW on hard mode now. Under-powered weapon set that requires target lock, no AoE damage skills, no access to stealth for easy fight resets.

Just you, your reflexes, and a pair of guns. Enjoy!

And dual daggers as a weapon swap for those “Oh Kitten” moments?

Well..its what I’d do anyway, lol.

Loxsus.3841:

I think between staff, save yourself, and retreat, we’re fine. Personal opinion.

Agree…we’re plenty fast. Mostly I run, Hammer & Mace / Shield shout guardian in wvw. Traited for 20% less on shout cd’s. I get around just fine.

Played all weekend and can’t say that traps affected us at all. Maybe we didn’t step in them…maybe peeps weren’t buying them. I dunno, but it was just business as usual.

How about if its ticked..say? 2 or 3 times in the normal 30 min span….at which point its apparent that there is a real effort being made to keep it up. Then the timer resets to 2 or 3 hours…which allows the players to go have a bit of fun and not worry about the siege despawning.

And come back in a few hours with a new sentry to put a bit of time in for the next 2-3 hr cycle.

bellrang.1628:

Just wanted to ask around, but does any other server get some major lagging,freezes and/or disconnecting when on GoM’s BL regardless of how many people are on there?
Been happening sense the latest patch.

Its not just GoM. Its everyone..there are several threads in WvW asking the same questions.

Same thing was happening in T7. Still happening a bit today. We were thinking it was local…but it appears to be more widespread now.

Sent you a PM Doofus…

Boredom is probably more of a reflection whatever is going on in real life than anything (insert video game name here) can give you.

Maybe it just time for a break? You’ve already paid for the game….go play something else and come back in few months or a year even.

Why don’t you guest over there for awhile? I was on TC from Beta2 and just recently transferred off. It does have a great community, but its suffering from a bit of growing pains as it approaches T1 in WvW.

Outside of WvW? It was envisioned as the unofficial RP Server and it maintained a pretty mature playerbase and an outstanding community for months. Map chat was fun and polite. Guesting has changed that to some extent.

Its still decent community, but not as good as it was several months ago.

I’d suggest guesting on a few servers before just changing based on what you read here. If peeps are in a good guilds, its likely they’re views are skewed compared to solo players elsewhere. Maybe hang around LA and talk with folks on a couple of servers.

Mirta.5029:

DonQ.4056:

Lastly Mirta.5029 – The players running the dungeon would know if the leader was HC and hence either join or not join. It’s there choice.

if HC will be like a shown icon or something you’ll definitely end up with trolling and griefing. That way you would face less trolling in a specified HC server.

Raf.1078:

It less about completion of the dungeon, Mirta. Its about everyone getting through the dungeon alive…or not. The people left carry on with one less person until enough completion or fail.

The challenges have less to do with completion of any given task. Its about..can you do it without dying. Your mindset has to change….and , it will..if you do it long enough. We played for 6 or 7 months before most folks called it quits.

if modes were mixed in all servers normal players will not have the same mindset as hardcore players, therefore they wouldn’t see it as “let’s get trough this dungeon alive”, they would see it as “let’s complete this dungeon as we normally do”, meaning that HC players would face more danger and likely die. Now if that player ended up being the party leader what we would see would be lots of hate towards HC players because “we got kicked because that dude died. I don’t like HC players! You made me waste my time!” kind of mindset. So then the problem is – how do you separate players? Leave players to tell that if they feel like it? Most wouldn’t because they would be afraid. Add an icon? Well then it would be very easy to grief HC players by leading them into situations specifically meant to kill you in the dungeon. Meaning that the only way it would be fair is if ALL of them were HC or normal. Meaning that separate servers make more sense.

Oh, I agree Mirta. You’d have to have a dedicated guild of Permadeath characters to group with. Otherwise, you’d be trying to apply your self imposed limitations on other players. And thats not really fair to them.

I think the overall ambience of GW2 is a lot less dark than many games. But I like the way this world was imagined. DDO was considerably darker…and eventually all the dank, gray, dripping ugliness just got old.

Mirta.5029:

DonQ.4056:

There is feeling you get once to click on HC character and try to lvl it. Always unsure when death will come, but the intensity is always there. As Magnus Steelgrave.6580 mentioned before – the HC players would play on the same servers for normal players, which I agree with now (less trolling).

Imagine running a dungeon with a mixed group. The leader has perma death on. You all run the dungeon. Leader dies, his character is deleted, everyone else gets booted. Or you’re stuck without a certain amount of players. Mixed servers ain’t the best idea.

It less about completion of the dungeon, Mirta. Its about everyone getting through the dungeon alive…or not. The people left carry on with one less person until enough completion or fail.

The challenges have less to do with completion of any given task. Its about..can you do it without dying. Your mindset has to change….and , it will..if you do it long enough. We played for 6 or 7 months before most folks called it quits.

No reason it couldn’t be done here in GW2, Don. Why have a special server when all it takes is some modicum of integrity among the participants? Make a non-representing guild on (insert server name here) and meet up once or twice a week to PvE to our deaths.

EQ2 had slots that allowed you to wear appearance pieces of armor over your fighting armor. All classes could wear any other classes armor as long as it was less than their current armor.

Was a good system for plate wearers who could mix/match stuff made of plate, chain & cloth. Chain wearers could mix/match chain & cloth. Not so good for clothies, however.

I played in guild on EQ2 called “Permadeath”. Basically, if you died…you deleted that character and rolled another. Honor system. Most of us were leveling several alts concurrently. Healing was allowed, but no rezzing once dead.

Different game mechanics there utilizing the trinity style play. But after many deaths…the best parties consisted of ranged / dps and healers.

Death comes pretty easily and permadeath really changed group tactics. Players become extremely cautious and plan/talk about every encounter before engaging. You disengage a lot…and run, if need be. Not unlike real life.

It was fun for awhile…but eventually got old. Losing a high level toon was frustrating. People began dropping out and soon there just wasn’t enough of us to continue. Was a cool experiment though.

I suspect a permadeath game would never hold a longtime interest for most people. Except for a core group of masochists.

Durian…..tastes like heavenly custard.

Smells like the Risen.

Guns and Giblets.9308:

Vayne.8563:

I miss grit. Though Guild Wars 2 is a fun game…there’s nothing gritty about it. Cities are too clean. Characters are too clean cut. No one curses. No one looks awful. I know it sounds weird, but it’s more immersive for me to be in a game that is darker and feels real. See some garbage on the streets. See some ugly people, on ocassion. Guild Wars 2 is a bit too sanitized for my taste.

Very nice aesthetic observation. I was wondering what it was that put me off to many of the urban areas in this game. Having spent a great deal of my life in cities and having minored in medieval and renaissance studies, the “cities” in this game have all the cosmetic appeal of the city in Curious George. Great for a younger audience, not so great for compelling lore.

One person’s escapism? MMO’s are escapism…not reality. There are plenty of dark games out there. I rather like the ambience here. Its light hearted with a definite tongue in cheek satyrical approach to the lore and storylines. The skritt crack me up.

There is enough ugliness in the real world. And plenty of current and upcoming games that will cater that playstyle.

Not to derail the thread however….I miss player housing and I miss my horse. Although, I think GW2’s instances are not really large enough for a mount.

Great Axe….can’t believe they left this out. I mean, we have a Great Hammer?

A real rifle for the engineer.

Rapier for thieves.

The system is fairly self regulating as it is. Bad Commanders will, eventually, never be able to pull a group together.

Can anyone trip them? Or do they only trip when an enemy player has supply or is stealthed? Or once tripped for …say stealth…you cannot trip another one until your de-buff has worn off?

Softspoken.2410:

Terrahero.9358:

Softspoken.2410:

There’s definitely a point in here! But how do you counter 30 seconds of revealed, in a build focused on a stealth 1 attack like backstab or sneak attack? Those skills have been essentially removed from your bar, for 30 seconds. Along with all of your On stealth / While stealthed traits.

I’m actually pretty fine with the possibility of being stuck visible for 30 seconds, but losing access to those tricks is pretty painful, and unless I’m missing something there’s no way to get them back.

Again, similar painful counters happen to other professions aswell. And the “counter” (i refuse to even acknowledge it as a viable counter to Thieves) costs 10supply+15badges+500karma. Takes 4seconds to place down, AND ITS NOT THAT BIG.
Its not a “anything Stealth in a 3000range and i go off”-thing. Its a stripe-shape and its incredibly obvious if someone is placing a Trap.

People will place these on chokepoints, not to catch a single Thief, but to catch an entire Zerg using Veil, its a counter to Mesmers!
Are you seriously thinking people will use these just for you? You arent worth 15 badges, 500 karma and 10 supply just to catch you out of stealth.
Those 15 badges buy me 15silver worth of Siege, or gear. I’d rather risk the repaircost fighting you then try to bait you into a trap. Its just much cheaper…

Besides, we all know that if you do trigger it you’ll just run away and there isnt much i could do about it anyway.

I’m not worried about people using it to catch a single thief, I think that fear has been dispelled, thank you. I’m more concerned about the severity of the counter on a thief as collateral damage. If a thief is running in that stealthed group, it’s likely they’ve now lost their best attacks and defensive traits for 30 seconds.

Also, 1200 radius on activation seems big to me.

It just bothers me that once that thief gets caught, in something not even really intended for them, their combat potential is thrown in the crapper. Obviously this doesn’t apply to every thief: non-stealth builds are a thing! But given how thoroughly stealth is implemented through the class, it’s more likely than not that they’ll be losing something beyond the ability to turn invisible.

I dunno. At this point I’ll wait and see, but I’m just concerned that it’s over-punishing.

Thieves can’t fight unless stealthed? Rangers and Engies manage okay….besides its only 30 seconds.

Terrahero’s post is a lot closer to reality. We;ve been dealing with stealthed thieves for nearly a year. They are annoying, but its hardly game breaking to a practical build with some toughness included.

TooBz.3065:

Raf.1078:

TooBz.3065:

Arkanfel.8403:

Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.

There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.

So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.

It’s not really a “counter” so much as it is a removal of the “core gameplay mechanic” for 30 seconds.

It’s like creating a trap that strips all boons from guardians prevents the application of boons for 30 seconds, or a trap that prevents elementalists from swapping attunements, or one that prevents the use of utility skills.

Everyone else is already dealing with that. Necros strip all our boons and turn them into conditions. Its called “corrupt boon”. To make that equal to this lil trap….the trap would have to cripple, chill & weaken you too.

Thieves…..lol…..

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Contemplation_of_Purity

Gaurdians … lol

I welcome the thief traps. Gonna buy a bunch and use em all over the place…cause, basically, I hate thieves……except when I’m playing one, of course.

Softspoken.2410:

Raf.1078:

TooBz.3065:

Arkanfel.8403:

Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.

There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.

So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.

It’s not really a “counter” so much as it is a removal of the “core gameplay mechanic” for 30 seconds.

It’s like creating a trap that strips all boons from guardians prevents the application of boons for 30 seconds, or a trap that prevents elementalists from swapping attunements, or one that prevents the use of utility skills.

Everyone else is already dealing with that. Necros strip all our boons and turn them into conditions. Its called “corrupt boon”. To make that equal to this lil trap….the trap would have to cripple, chill & weaken you too.

Thieves…..lol…..

Except Necros only get to use that once, at which point you can try and counterplay the conditions and reapply your boons. There is no way to remove revealed.

Personally I’m not concerned with people specifically countering a stealth thief with this. People have already pointed out the channel time, the cost, etc. What does worry me is that a thief caught in this as collateral damage can be hobbled severely for 30 seconds.

I don’t think thieves should be immune, but I don’t think adding 30 seconds of revealed is perfect. If they could add something that kept the player visible, but still let them proc traits / skills related to stealth, I’d be a lot less concerned.

Temporary retreat is also an option…its only 30 sec. Just cause we can see them doesn’t mean they can’t bowshot away or even hang around and fight. And, if they are glass cannon, maybe its time for a bit of Knights, just in case.

TooBz.3065:

Arkanfel.8403:

Few things are quite so savory to me as thief tears.

There’s finally a hard counter to stealth and now they are going to lose their kitten. Oh, your core gameplay mechanic has a counter now? How bad that must feel. I main guardian—my core gameplay mechanic is boons and I have a low health pool. You know what counters my core gameplay? Boon stripping and conditions.

So welcome to the club of the rest of us. We meet in the gym after AA on Wednesdays. Bring donuts and paper plates.

It’s not really a “counter” so much as it is a removal of the “core gameplay mechanic” for 30 seconds.

It’s like creating a trap that strips all boons from guardians prevents the application of boons for 30 seconds, or a trap that prevents elementalists from swapping attunements, or one that prevents the use of utility skills.

Everyone else is already dealing with that. Necros strip all our boons and turn them into conditions. Its called “corrupt boon”. To make that equal to this lil trap….the trap would have to cripple, chill & weaken you too.

Thieves…..lol…..

Gab Superstar.4059:

Raf.1078:

Score really reflects all that superior gameplay, doesn’t it?

Obviously not. Score reflects the ~20h per day when hardly anyone is playing.

Yeah, know that feeling….they took our garry during one of those times.

If his guys took the garry in NA prime…now that would be an accomplishment to crow about.

But braggin about taking a virtually unmanned garrison? Everyone has coverage issues and those holes are good chances at points. But its not like its a real accomplishment.

Lepew.7890:

DDLG was taking a break last night with PVE doing temple unlocks. We were coming up on daily reset, so I popped over to DRBL to use the mystic forge, and noticed it was blue. This news was greeted with a chorus of the groans, where we had left defense for 1hr and already the BL was getting trashed.

So our evening was cut short. We called to arms for our BL. Apologies to those roaming groups who got zerged hard, but it was just business. Only significant resistance occured when Zombieland was mowed down quickly at Hills. We mopped up the map, and went on the offensive in GOM BL. Trashed the garrison there. Blitz ended with port of golems beneath pot of oil. Spent some time farming GOM near water gate, garrison. Had a good time with Darkestshadows calling tactical feints and flanks, wiping superior numbers until they just decided they had enough. Logged to watch House of Cards with wife, so don’t know how it ended.

Good fun guys, but really, our PvE coordinator should talk with GOM about good nights for us to just do temple unlocks. Certainly there was a breakdown in communications there. You guys are supposed to go for our stuff when we are out there defending, not on PvE night. Sheesh. Check the calendar.

Score really reflects all that superior gameplay, doesn’t it?

I’d go for the Ranger in that case. Pets aren’t that hard to manage. If you don’t like them, set it up so all they do is run at your side and not draw aggro or help out. The owl or eagles are pretty inconspicous.

I don’t think you can truly evaluate any profession by level 20. Why not just play both of them as your mood dictates. The playstyles of each are different enough that you shouldn’t get too bored.

While there may be a lot of mesmers in pve….there is a definite shortage of them in WvW.

Buffy.9246:

NSP server gets double team by Gom and Dr yet again. Our server is small so lets take advantage of it?

Funny…I could have sworn I saw DR and NSP all but holding hands in our BL last night.

Its really no different anywhere else. Some zones are just emptier than others. But you aren’t tied to you server. You can go anywhere, find a crowded area if thats what you want and guest there for awhile.

Thats just your defintion OP. Others definition may vary. Its not like its set in stone.

The question is kind of moot since this isn’t a subscription game. But, yeah..I’d pay a monthly for it if ANet had of chosen that route.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

Cities didn’t die in Gw1 because of guild halls.

Cities died like flies in EQ2 because of Guild Halls. That said…if they did enable Guild Halls, at least leave the crafting stations out in the world / cities.

I have one of each. I don’t think you can directly compare them as one being better than the other. It just depends on which class suits you the best. For WvW…for running with a small group or zerg in open field. I prefer my necro. But for Keep and Tower defense / offense…my ele works the best. <shrug>

For PvE….necro, hands down for survivability. That said, dungeon wise…I prefer my ele for the dps.

Roll both and see which one fits your playstyle?

I got Celestial last night (I open all of them, lol)…worth 10 gold..sell or use…sell or use??…

I used it. Just looks too cool.

Aeonblade.8709:

Drainbamaged.1062:

I raise both hands high and will keep them there. Until " " WARS 2 lives up to its name. Think of the possibilities people. If anything it would make the player community stronger and more dynamic.

There are many reasons to have guild halls, but making the community stronger is not one of them. If anything, they will make LA less populated and spread people further out. Hopefully by the time they do player/guild housing they have a LFG tool so it won’t matter that no one is around LA anymore.

So true…Guild Halls will be the death of the community at large in all the cities. I would hate to see that happen.

Personal Housing , however is another matter. That would be something I’d love to see.

Guardian maybe? I’m experimenting with a Bunker Guardian in PvE…..would work in WvW too though. Takes me awhile to kill things, but they can barely touch me.

Substance E.4852:

Utilities have hilariously long cool downs and your best defense is hitting the dodge-roll button at the right time.

You have to be on your toes a lot more than other similar mmo’s. But, ya, it’s not an incredibly deep game by most standards.

By deep, he means more buttons to push, more particle effects….dps is still the same though. All standing in one place.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I’m confused. I really am. Must be I play differently or something, as I don’t have issues with my thief going ‘splat’ when I melee with her. I play 1 of 2 ways – I lead with pistol/pistol and roll into dagger/dagger when the foes get within range OR if its just a single foe, I shadowstep in and kick his kitten I don’t have the ‘splat’ issue.

As for rangers….again, not seeing the issue. My pet and I can roll through just about everything solo, with the exception of dungeons. I actually require people for those.

I don’t often WvW or sPvP, and when I do, it’s not generally on those professions, so I can’t speak to those aspects. However, for general PvE, they seem to work just fine.

Same. My thief rolls with sword / pistol & dagger / dagger, traited for a bit of toughness and I have no problems as long as I keep moving. And, I’m not even an especially good thief.

6 level 80’s that I mostly solo’d in pve except the ele & necro who I leveled in WvW.

Only classes I “have trouble” with are the warrior and my mesmer…both of with reside in level 40’s cause I think they are boring.

I have 6 level 80’s. Working on a 2nd Guardian…mostly because the last 2 classes are just sorta blah to me (mesmer & warrior). I’m not bored with the game though..leveling alts is my thing. Much more so than wvw, dungeons or special events.

I prefer the more realistic weapons over the stylistic fantasy weapons. Its hard finding a decently scaled greatsword in this game. The low level weapons vendor GS is close to a hand an a half basterd (sp for kitten) sword. But just a bit plain.

I prefer the level 39 Aureate skin for all my GS users. Its also available at level 15 (+/-) as a prize in the human personal story. Even if the handle and hilt are a tad over-sized, the blade length works for best for me.

I prefer the flat bladed great hammers also. And, would really love to have a rapier or saber for myThief….but, oh well.

Ranger if you like ranged class or Guardian if you like melee. Both are darn near un-killable in pve if you’re even semi-competent.

I’m on my 2nd Guardian, lol. Good class for solo.

I leveled a Necro and an Ele in wvw. Both are good. Not frontline fighters, but had a good time playing both there.

Multi Golem rushes will smash through a fully upgraded keep in minutes….or they did, anyway. If nothing else, the AC buff slows that down.

In retrospect, it might have been better to nerf golems.