Guild Wars 2

The issue here is two-fold, but the primary issue is the leaderboard itself and the turret issue serves only to amplify the primary issue.

My biggest gripe with the leaderboard is that it is currently far easier for a lower MMR player to get to the top of the leaderboards than a high MMR (and presumably better) player (as I have stated before on other threads). This makes no sense at all, since leaderboards should surely be displaying where players stand in terms of skill level.

Turret engis when played by low MMR players will be matched against other low MMR players. As we have established, the low MMR players are the ones most likely to encounter severe issues with this build. This allows low MMR players to shoot up the leaderboard with this build.

As I have suggested several times now, MMR needs to be taken into account if we want any mildly accurate leaderboard. Either base the leaderboard on MMR, give us a separate leaderboard for MMR for those that want a real indicator of relative skill levels, or incorporate MMR into the points system (higher point gain/loss for higher MMR players).

Battou.7832:

Nice troll post, man. Engineers have too much access to swiftness as it is.

I didn’t say anything about lack of movement speed, swiftness doesn’t decrease the cooldowns on turret skills which greatly restricts their rotational capacity.
Maybe there should be a trait that makes swiftness reduce cooldowns (kinda like the opposite of chill), so that engis can have perma swiftness, vigor and faster cooldowns if they take all of those traits.

Wolfey.3407:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

I find this very hard to believe. Since around Monday, most of my queue times have been over 4 minutes and as of yesterday my queue times have shot up even further to 5-8 minutes.

Ranked or Unranked?

I’ve noticed a lot of people prefer to play unranked since it does not have the negative attitude that some ranked games tend to have.

And I don’t the possibility of getting skyhammer.

Shieldbash.5304:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Hah. I just tried a turret engi to see what the fuss was about. A power ranger was able to take down a thumper, rifle and rocket turret all in the space of about 30 seconds with hardly any damage to him. Even the supply crate was no issue.
I see no issue with turret engis.

So the faceroll class can kill the turrret from 1500 feet so theres no issue? Unfortunatley Us Melee classes don’t have Barrage, Rapid shot spam.

And since when did any single build have to be countered by every other build in the game? Hey, let’s also remove all the blocks on dps guardians, they are currently OP because thieves have trouble killing them.

Turret engis are so bad right now, they can’t move anywhere because of long cooldowns on turret skills. They need a trait that lets you pick them up and have no CD when picked up.

Alternatively, give them a trolley skill that allows you to wheel them around. The turrets can still fire while in the trolley.

Sube Dai.8496:

Get one of them longbow rangers. The thread above this one says they are op.

But I thought perma stealth thieves were OP?

Play ranked, leaderboards mean nothing right now.

oneply.9586:

Victory.2879:

If it’s against the ToS, then it seems someone is falling down on the job of shutting them down as there are many listed all the time….

what are they hurting? they arent getting on the ladderboards, they arent increasing their mmr, and all they are getting is rewards that dont impact spvp at all. no harm no foul.

Even then, those rewards are earned faster in normal arenas… lol.

Kagamiku.9731:

They could grab block reflect and equip shield+mace…but that’s just disgusting and sacrifices so much for a little extra ranged defense…Guardian does it so much better for much less investment.

Or you know, just line of sight like a normal person…

He’s just over-compensating for his little “boomstick”.

Lordrosicky.5813:

masskillerxploit.2165:

Literally…. I am so bored when I log on… I dont solo Q anymore because of the many many many problems with stupid builds, q times, matchmaking, and leaderboards. I log on for team practice, ESL’s and big tournaments…. Sometimes I just wanna have fun…. but I have now found other games for it. So freaking sad that this game is in such a low spot… Hopefully the expansion will bring the fun back.

~Ferox

The last patch killed this game.

Removed solo queue. Removed leaderboards. Removed matchmaking. Removed any competition basically.

You forgot removed ability to enter custom arenas while queuing.

Are you EU or NA?

kirito.4138:

mooty.4560:

Honestly, even if you’re in the wrong forum, I would suggest waiting till GW2 PvP offers anything worth being serious about. Perhaps the expansion will change the outlook on PvP.

That might take years until GW3

It will take years, they have no reason to make it any time soon. It would actually make the current playerbase riot if they did.

kitten.1685:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

They need a sigil, 50% chance to gain aegis on hit. You know, because more random passive procs.

theres literally nothing random about guardians right now.

That’s my point. Everyone else has them, therefore guardian needs this.

They need a sigil, 50% chance to gain aegis on hit. You know, because more random passive procs.

What’s with all the troll posts today? >.>

Hah. I just tried a turret engi to see what the fuss was about. A power ranger was able to take down a thumper, rifle and rocket turret all in the space of about 30 seconds with hardly any damage to him. Even the supply crate was no issue.
I see no issue with turret engis.

For this to work, it should be disabled in hotjoin (if you’re fed up, just leave…) to prevent abuse to get daily wins instantly.
Second of all, the function should only become available after 5mins into the game, otherwise people give up when they still have a chance.

Daily player kills
Daily captures
Daily objective defender
Daily rank points
Daily matches won
Daily resurrections
Daily interrupter

Some classes are better at defending/capping, but at least these aren’t restricted to a single class.

Some fun ones that may or may not work:
Daily rabbit finisher (finish someone with the rabbit finisher)
Daily noob slayer (kill a lower ranked player)
Daily NPC steal (kill a forest NPC when the opposite team dealt more damage)

Serdoc.7261:

Just play a turn based strategy game while you are waiting, and pause it when the Queue pops.

Make a second account and roll a turret engi. That’s pretty much a turn based strategy game.

Or you could you know… Just dodge or LoS it?

BlazinFyre.2410:

Learning the English language can be fun ;o

You must have had a deprived childhood if you think this.

Inb4 new topic: Allow players to cap points in spectator mode.

Wrong forum, try here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor

This would make everything so much more convenient and I don’t know why this hasn’t been done yet. Anyone looking for a guild/team will be specifically looking for one in either NA or EU.

Morwath.9817:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

Morwath.9817:

Saiyan.1704:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

“Played more often”

Players out-participating others is the reason why the entire leaderboard is screwed up. Not because of win %.

A person winning 7/10 games can very well be ranked lower than a person who won 5/10 games.
The chart below is the reason why.

I agree with Anet on implementing this system… just not the grinding leaderboard that they have. It needs a cap of some sort so players can’t easily out-participate other players.

Make the leaderboard only count the last 100 games.
Problem solved.

How is that different than say, making a cap of 3 ranked games a day? Games after the first 3 will not count towards your rank or win percentage.

People will still play for the sheer competitiveness, dailies (rank should give better daily rewards imo) etc. Que times won’t be much different.

Because not everyone has time to play in middle of the week while can play many games during weekends and so on…

Gotcha. Sorry was slow there :P

The biggest issue with either is 1) It’s more susceptible to douplicate ranked teams. 2) Fate can be unkind to some people’s matchmaking but that’s the luck of the draw.

There was a situation with one player where he would earn +3 points at 400 or +5 at 500 because his MMR was ridiculously low. He was top rank on the leaderboards. I doubt that’s an issue now after all the changes.

Either ways I think it’s better than the “grind” system we currently have. It’s at least worth a test ride.

Ironically it’s far easier for a lower MMR player to get to the top of the leaderboards than a high MMR (and presumably better) player…

Confirmed, the longer win streaks I had, the less +LB gains on average per match.

How about this for another suggestion:

Points you gain/lose from matches are use MMR as a multiplier.
I don’t know what the scale is for MMR, but say for example the average MMR is 2000. Point gain/loss is multiplied by MMR/2000. This way you are being rewarded for being a high MMR player and eliminates people exploiting the leaderboard by losing 200 games right before the start of a reward season to lower their MMR.

Saiyan.1704:

Morwath.9817:

Saiyan.1704:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Saiyan.1704:

“Played more often”

Players out-participating others is the reason why the entire leaderboard is screwed up. Not because of win %.

A person winning 7/10 games can very well be ranked lower than a person who won 5/10 games.
The chart below is the reason why.

I agree with Anet on implementing this system… just not the grinding leaderboard that they have. It needs a cap of some sort so players can’t easily out-participate other players.

Make the leaderboard only count the last 100 games.
Problem solved.

How is that different than say, making a cap of 3 ranked games a day? Games after the first 3 will not count towards your rank or win percentage.

People will still play for the sheer competitiveness, dailies (rank should give better daily rewards imo) etc. Que times won’t be much different.

Because not everyone has time to play in middle of the week while can play many games during weekends and so on…

Gotcha. Sorry was slow there :P

The biggest issue with either is 1) It’s more susceptible to douplicate ranked teams. 2) Fate can be unkind to some people’s matchmaking but that’s the luck of the draw.

There was a situation with one player where he would earn +3 points at 400 or +5 at 500 because his MMR was ridiculously low. He was top rank on the leaderboards. I doubt that’s an issue now after all the changes.

Either ways I think it’s better than the “grind” system we currently have. It’s at least worth a test ride.

Ironically it’s far easier for a lower MMR player to get to the top of the leaderboards than a high MMR (and presumably better) player…

Lopez.7369:

I just lost a point because someone rallied off me spiking his teammate. I downed both a warrior and ranger, spiked the warrior, and the ranger rallied. I then died.

This isn’t the first time this has happened. It’s been going on for months. I’ve reported it before.

This is an enormous, game-breaking bug, so I have no idea how it’s lasted for so long. Please fix.

I have never experienced this “bug” in my entire GW2 gaming career. You realise that there are plenty of insta res skills right?
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Battle_Standard
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Nature%27s_Renewal
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Glyph_of_Renewal
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Mercy
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Illusion_of_Life
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Undeath
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Toss_Elixir_R

Arkvan.3561:

Eh, I wouldn’t say invis is OP (I’ve managed to down a few thieves in their invis tonight, woop woop) but it makes for incredibly boring fights. Trying to chase someone you can’t see as a warrior is about as much fun as watching paint dry. Course, I can name a few more setups I loathe fighting….

Because fighting another warrior as a warrior is so much more fun right?

Tao.5096:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Tao.5096:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Darkness.9732:

Immagine ranger vs turret engi. SADNESS the ranger will be instantly stomped.
Balance ranger ANET

LOL.
Power ranger is one of the easiest counters to turrets.

In theory only.

No, I beat several turret engis back when I was a noob power ranger…
With the trait, you have the same range as the turrets and larger range than the engi, so you can position yourself so that you can take down the rocket turret without any other turrets hitting you (which is also easy to dodge). After the rocket turret is dead, the engi is an easy target.
If the engi walks out to attack you, you snipe down the engi…

You did.
But in reality, majority of LB ranger players in pvp are hugging turret engineers on point just like a thief.

If we’re talking bad power rangers vs bad turret engis, then of course the bad turret engi will win. The whole issue with AI builds is that they scale horribly with skill level – there’s little difference between a good and bad turret engi compared to say a good and bad mesmer.

Tao.5096:

Guardian is the best bunker class.
Both mobile and immobile on point like turret.

I disagree. Guardian is the best team bunker due to it’s combination of support and survivability, but it isn’t by any means the best solo bunker because it is easily killed on point by a good condi engi or shatter mesmer. For solo bunkering you need something that can return pressure to force your opponent to occasionally play defensively, such as a d/d or staff ele.

ozzy.8059:

you know the counter to minions in a 1v1? kill the minions they cant heal themselves.. or run around in a big circle till they get confused always works for me the necro cant do much about it if you are a more mobile class

You can kill minion masters easily with any sustain class (ele/engi/warrior) since they don’t deal enough damage to kill you on those classes.
As a thief, you just have to keep the minions constantly moving by LoS’ing, jumping in, LoS’ing and repeat.

Tao.5096:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Darkness.9732:

Immagine ranger vs turret engi. SADNESS the ranger will be instantly stomped.
Balance ranger ANET

LOL.
Power ranger is one of the easiest counters to turrets.

In theory only.

No, I beat several turret engis back when I was a noob power ranger…
With the trait, you have the same range as the turrets and larger range than the engi, so you can position yourself so that you can take down the rocket turret without any other turrets hitting you (which is also easy to dodge). After the rocket turret is dead, the engi is an easy target.
If the engi walks out to attack you, you snipe down the engi…

truthishly.9513:

Saiyan.1704:

Shiyo.3578:

No one said it, it’s just unfun to fight against pets that do a lot of damage to squishy builds.

Squishy classes think everything is OP…

I main glkittenter mes and I love killing turret engis. No complaints here

That censor though.

Or maybe they take into account how many of each class are in the pvp player pool, of which necromancers are definitely in the minority.

truthishly.9513:

Or just make it a rate over time. LB pts divided by matches played, with a nominal minimum # of games played.

This wouldn’t work for teamq’ers with high MMR, since it’s impossible for them to gain more than 1 point per game, meaning they can’t average more than 1.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Custom_Arena#Notes

You have 2 weeks after it runs out to use a time token before it gets deleted.

Saiyan.1704:

“Played more often”

Players out-participating others is the reason why the entire leaderboard is screwed up. Not because of win %.

A person winning 7/10 games can very well be ranked lower than a person who won 5/10 games.
The chart below is the reason why.

I agree with Anet on implementing this system… just not the grinding leaderboard that they have. It needs a cap of some sort so players can’t easily out-participate other players.

Make the leaderboard only count the last 100 games.
Problem solved.

Darkness.9732:

Immagine ranger vs turret engi. SADNESS the ranger will be instantly stomped.
Balance ranger ANET

LOL.
Power ranger is one of the easiest counters to turrets.

skullfaerie.7203:

Oh god, it’s you again with your terrible attitude .
To answer your question: Yes there is: Go to a daily room. Literally no idea why that isn’t what you’re doing. Goodbye.

Not sure if OP is a massive troll or just extremely narrow minded and selfish…

For the sake of strictly bunkering down a point, turret engi. Turrets are tankier than minions and don’t get stuck in weird places.

Wouldn’t recommend either though because they become less and less useful as you progress – turret engis are too immobile and minion masters scale horribly with skill level due to their reliance on AI.

robertul.3679:

The reason I keep hearing people say this requirement even exists is to prevent players from going naked. Which is stupid anyway.

So you would gladly run into battle without any clothes on in real life? Right.

Maylo.5892:

Congrats to the deserved win, the competition was so big that it must have been tough to win this qualifier. There were 4 teams, one of them i have never saw, one had 2 subs because of the age restiriction and one of them got DCs in every tournament since 4ever. But i really enjoyed it because you know what? THIS IS ESPORTS!!

What happened to you and the pvp scene anyway? Never see you around.

robertul.3679:

The warrior throws a hammer not a rock.

The first downed skill is throw rock…
And I find this thread hilarious, not sure if trolling or not.

XGhoul.7426:

It’s better than a 15 min queue time on the previous system, is 5-8 mins a real thing? I would sacrifice a goat for these times on the old system.

I would sacrifice a goat to have 15 min queues in exchange for being about to enter custom arenas while queuing…

I find this very hard to believe. Since around Monday, most of my queue times have been over 4 minutes and as of yesterday my queue times have shot up even further to 5-8 minutes.

Elitist.8701:

Ele/Engi- Meta builds are the best 2v2ers in the game, individually best 1v1ers in the game.. what more could you want.

Pretty sure condi rangers are the best 1v1ers in the game…
A condi ranger will beat both an engi and ele of equal skill level.

Keksmuffin.1450:

Dunno I would have prefered seing TCG win aswell and I think they deserved it more but why the kitten are you complaining about counter comping? You want to tell me you wouldn’t let people from your team that multiclass switch their class to adjust so you can win money?

They switched their comp after losing 3 times in the same tournament and only won once they had switched their comp. I wouldn’t have been as annoyed if they had decided a counter comp before their first match vs TCG and stuck with that, but switching as a last ditch effort after losing 3 matches just seems like a really low blow.

Blacknasty.3641:

great matches.

LOL FUNNY ONE.
The only great matches were the ones before the DC’s and counter comping.

Also what’s the “give no credit” thing supposed to do? Surely give them dishonour so that they can’t join another game for a while?