Guild Wars 2

Kitta.3657:

edit: Forest’s ports at mansion are way easier to do now for both thief and mesmer. You can teleport from anywhere to the top ledges (you can use ileap/phase retreat as well)

Mansion is in Khylo.

Also…

Chukree.1756:

I thought this was a port nerf patch intended for how OP thief and Mesmer are combined in conquest?

And their OPness is why the thief/mesmer combo has been pushed out of the meta by the celestial meta right…?

+1
Takes an unusual amount of time to load the scoreboard.

Can you point me to an official Anet post that said they were going to nerf ports?

Forest of Nifhel test results:
Side of henge – works
Stairs at keep – works
Middle of the edge of keep near that tree – works.
Up the ledge behind keep from the stairs – works.

Khylo clocktower tests:
All ledge ports still work
Porting from the ground on the north or south side through the building still works
Porting from the ground on the north or south side to the roof still works

I don’t see anything nerfed with port spots…

I’m going to test port spots on khylo then, will get back to you…

So what were people actually moaning about prior to this update…?

Terrorsquad.2349:

Bhawb.7408:

Bountiful Theft takes one “stack” of boons it steals, so you’d only receive one stack of stability, assuming that behavior transfers.

So basically starting expansion we won’t be able to interupt stomps/rezzes/banners anymore if they’re using +2 stacks of stability?

IIRC, if you use bountiful theft on someone with 25 stacks of might, they lose all 25 stacks but you only get 1 stack (otherwise an s/d thief would be able maintain a huge number of might stacks when fighting a cele engi/ele). This would be the same with the new stability, meaning that yes you would daze your target even if it had 3+ stacks of stability.

It’s only powerful in 1v1 downed fights. In practically every other situation, someone can just stomp them once with stability or twice without stability before they even get a chance to pet res, nowhere near as useful as an engineer that can interrupt twice or a thief that can evade a stomp twice.

Reikou.7068:

Updated spreadsheet with whatever new information is posted here

Some matchups were discussed multiple times. For those that came out to a similar rating, (one person said 6:4 and the other said 7:3, or similar.) I left them as is. For those with conflicting reports, I have highlighted them in orange, as they require some further discussion.

Why is turret engi 9:1 vs a power ranger? Sure, a turret engi will win if the power ranger runs straight onto the point at the start, but any power ranger with half a brain will take 8 seconds to snipe down the rocket and rifle turret from a distance before running on points, turning it into a 9:1 in favour of the ranger.

A warrior that shouts at everyone, then takes a bow at the end of the game.

The problem with this is that some classes scale much more with skill level than others (I’m not calling any classes noob classes here).

A classic example is dps guard vs thief. In the lower to mid tier, the dps guard is going to win 9 times out of 10. Once you hit the top tier however, it gets a lot more complicated.

I remember seeing a match with oRNG vs the french team where Kaazers (d/p thief) was using the trebuchet at several points throughout the match. Tage (hammer guard) tried to take out Kaazers on the trebuchet twice in the match and got forced away from the fight both times, after that he didn’t try to take that matchup for the rest of the match. And let’s remember that Tage is by no means a bad guardian.

Zethyrius.8692:

It’s like saying Abjured wasn’t the best NA team for WTS1. Absurd won more than Abjured, but for the WTS Abjured was top (well, Absurd also couldn’t qualify, but it’s somewhat similar).

No they didn’t, they only won 2 tournaments in the month preceding WTS1 (as well as the whole of the team’s history as far as I can see), Abjured even beat Absurd in the November final: http://play.eslgaming.com/guildwars2/global/gw2/major/go4guildwars2-northamerica/monthly-final-november-2014/rankings/

And we’re comparing 2 losses in the whole tournament history of Abjured compared to significantly more than 2 losses in the whole tournament history of oRNG.

Zethyrius.8692:

Now oRNG had two people from the best team and 3 from the second best, and pulled ahead as the new best team in EU (though TCG did great against them in the qualifiers!

You are ignoring solid facts by saying that oRNG is the best EU team purely based on the qualifiers. You haven’t said they’re “possibly the new best team”, you’ve straight down said they’re “the new best team”. There are two teams that you’ve completely left out of the picture – 55hp monks and the french team team currently known as Sizzling Hot Pressure (IGN, EG, DG).

Let’s look at the past 5 Go4 cups, the past 5 ESL weekly cups and the January monthly final, not including the most recent Go4 and ESL because oRNG weren’t in them. I chose this selection since this is the period in which the french team has been around. oRNG has won 4 of these (ESL #64, Go4 #15/16/17). The french team has also won 4 of these (ESL #65/66/67, Go4 #14). 55hp has won 2 of these (Go4 #18 and the January monthly final).

As you can see, oRNG has not won the majority of these cups and have the same number of wins as the french team. The french team were unable to compete in the qualifiers (they weren’t even together when the qualifier teams were being decided) and 55hp were running with 2 pugs in the qualifiers. The french team even beat the mash of TCG + Nos and Tarcis, a tournament where TCG beat oRNG and also led to TCG getting temporarily suspended for the inclusion of those two.

To say that oRNG is currently the best EU team without the slightest mention of even the french team that is tied for wins despite being a less experienced team is just being extremely narrow minded and could possibly even be insulting to their main competitors in the EU scene. Abjured don’t have anything close to the same situation in NA since they have won every tournament in this time period, so it’s safe to say they are the top team in NA.

Just one view.

DaShi.1368:

Yeah, I’d take a warrior over either of those.

So then, how do you explain the last two EU monthly finals being won by a non-warrior team against a team with a warrior?

DaShi.1368:

In soloq, I’ve noticed that 9 times out of 10, the team with the most warriors will win. Their ability to tank, do strong damage, and lay down so much cc all at once makes them essential to any successful team. They simply become an anchor for a team to play around. If your team doesn’t have one, you are at a severe disadvantage.

The funny thing is, there are also plenty of people who say the exact same thing about engi and ele…

Shiyo.3578:

How come we don’t have an amulet that’s power main stat, a bit of crit, a bit of crit damage, a bit of toughness and a bit of VIT?

Because you may as well be running soldiers or valk with intelligence…

Sarevok.2638:

Once again I had a match start in ranked queue with less than 10 players present, our side had 4 and yet…still went ahead, adjustments done and such post match.

Why is this still a thing?

Because ANet doesn’t have control over people’s internet/computer crashing…
There’s even a ready button that you have to press right before entering the match, so someone would have to dc in that small period of time.

And this is riduculously rare, I’ve had maybe 3 times when the game started without 10 players in the 300 games I’ve played since the last reset.

Coulter.2315:

Elitist.8701:

Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of people wanting to nerf celestial amulet so that the game can go back to the Zerker meta. They claim that in a meta like that, it would take high skill and be very quick paced. People want to believe that’ll be the case but, in actuality it’ll be awful. Full zerker team comps basically NEED Thief/Mesmer to be viable because they provide team defense in the form of stealth. What teamfights will come down to is whole teams camping in stealth and then whoever leaves stealth first gets instagibbed. That’ll lead into a snowball and then a fast and easy 3 cap, and then they’ll spawn camp, just like any cele comp, but much faster. 3 people spamming random crap on someone and killing them doesnt take skill. The reason why this doesn’t work right now is because of the synergy of the celestial classes. Take that away and we get this.

Do you guys really want a zerker meta?

We certainly don’t see Cele teams snowballing do we, or did you not watch the finals?

You mean this?

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

alvarez.3159:

sinister and zealot yes, dire and nomad definitely no

This. And while youre at it, if you add dire and nomad, lets add perplexity to pvp and make this game super fun!

Might as well add food if we’re going that way.

Bhawb.7408:

Nothing would be worse than cele, go for it.

Say that when invincible nomad eles/warriors become possible in PvP.

I think it’s a bottom tier thing, it’s incredibly rare in the mid to upper tier for people to rage quit.

Maybe because the game just went on discount again, so there’s a large influx of new players.

Fluffball.8307:

Step 1: Assume they are cheating.

You forgot:

Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit!

tevoro.1587:

17k damage in an instant though? That just seems impossible, especially without switching attunements. Again, had to have been using dagger offhand for ride the lightning

With fresh air you get instant air recharge. Most likely he started in air, switched to another attunement for a few miliseconds to cast something else, then back to air.

tevoro.1587:

So I just played a match where before I had reached home an ele from the other team had reached it and then managed to kill me in 1 shot. In the time that I blinked I was down. I know I wasn’t lagging, and I know it wasn’t just me because he did it to someone else right after. He never switched attunements except to get the stomp, he used ride the lightning to me from out of nowhere and before he was out of that move I was dead. Can anyone think of how this was done outside of cheating? If not any chance a dev is around to look into it? Also, I looked at combat history, it doesn’t show me taking any damage during that period, would love to know whats going on…

Sounds like a berserker s/d ele to me (more aggressive version of fresh air). Very high burst and half their skills are insta cast. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume they are cheating…

Zietlogik.6208:

That is for alts, not new players, new players (new accounts) cannot use the button/binding etc.

Which is why all the accounts made for the tournament are auto leveled to 22, so they can access PvP

New accounts can still take the portal. There’s plenty of people who create a second account on a different region and head straight into pvp through the portal. If completely new players want to play pvp so badly, they’ll put the effort to figure out how. In the meantime, it stops completely new players from walking into pvp with no experience just to see what it’s like and thus ruining it for other players.

Rybann.3280:

I think i mainly want to roam and 1v1 / 2v1 people.

You’ll want to play ele then. Thief is the best roamer since it has the highest mobility, but it’s extremely hard and only really possible for people at the top of their class to 1v2 anything as a thief. Ele on the other hand still has great mobility, can 1v1 most classes and can hold a 1v2 long enough for backup to arrive.

I’m really looking forward to the next WTS in Europe. The past two WTS tournaments, the second team of the region hasn’t really been on the same level as the top teams in the tournament, but when you throw in two EU teams, you know that both of those EU teams have an almost equal chance of winning the tournament. This will make for much more interesting matches and not just hype focussed around a single match-up (top NA vs top EU).

Tao.5096:

I think it’s time to settle this down.
I believe every NA player now, will agree with me that Celestial Amulet need to be boosted by +100 points per stat.
Be real, 115 – 502.
Cele needs to be boosted.

Yeah, buff celestial and nerf berserker. Berserker too strong vs celestial.

zapv.8051:

and mesmers off and on based on individual skill

I don’t understand this part of your post. Are you saying that mesmers need to be a no-skill class?

Gabriell.4856:

Rising Dusk.2408:

This was the first WTS where I felt that I really liked all of the teams. Eurantian made some killer Ranger plays and really showed what the class can do, Heaven and Earth showed real improvement from our Chinese friends, Abjured came in and showed strong, and Orange Logo trained hard, had an epic comeback against TCG in the European qualifiers, and went undefeated in the WTS itself.

These teams were respectable, strong at representing their nations, and very talented. I really enjoyed watching all of the games, and really enjoyed the production and competition.

No one deserved this tournament win more than oRNG, and I say that as a proud American. Great job, and I hope you win many more in the future.

Personally, I feel like it is unfair to the Chinese team to put them against players that have been play GW2 for years….

Let’s not forget that this wasn’t even the top Chinese team and this team apparently got destroyed by the top Chinese team.

4th game, what on earth was that…
And to think people complain on the forums about Abjured being OP.

You can enter PvP at level 1, you just can’t use the button.

If everyone played the meta, the meta would never change.

Mrbig.8019:

Now i’m no more cuz the game sucks, it’s a sheetton of passive sheet put togheter and my pvp experience ( like many other players even TOP players) is just bad, plainly bad.

So i don’t concentrate anymore when i’m playing, getting progressively worse.

And i see no reason to concentrate again and getting good again.

This has very little to do with the EU community, although it’s truly bad, toxic and right now much inferior to NA one.

Tbh i just can’t understand why NA community is getting healtier and bigger right in the time were gw2 PvP is at its lowest but whatever, your choice.

Have fun playing this crap game, i’ll just wait for HoT

The irony in this post is real. You are exactly what is wrong with this community.

Yes. I actually saved up all my bags for this weekend and stacked up 497% MF. Got 21 rares, 3 exotics and an ascended chest. The only ones that don’t stack are Birthday with Celebration since they’re technically the same buff.

Yes. Yes they will.

Well, this is awkward…

Abjured will win, NA is the only region that has their best team playing.

Saiyan.1704:

Anet underestimated exactly how many people want this. It’s been asked since launch…

And you’ve underestimated how bad an idea a ranked 1v1 game mode would be. Every time this is brought up in discussion on the forums, people have stated that they don’t want a 1v1 game mode and the reasons that it wouldn’t work.

1. The game isn’t balanced for 1v1, classes counter other classes and creates another dimension of tactics for team matches.
2. Yes you can argue that the effect of countering would balance out after playing lots of 1v1 matches, but not every class counters and is countered by the same number of classes – condi survival ranger for example is only really countered by condi necro, yet counters numerous classes.

Are potions of PvP reward affecting by any of the following?

Greater Call of the Mists (25%)
Birthday booster (10%)
Celebration Booster (+10%)

They aren’t on Jebro’s twitch, ChroNick’s twitch or the GW2 twitch…

Whenever I see class stacking, it’s usually either intentional stacking (duo queue) or that class’s daily.

They’re so rare now and when it does happen it’s because someone’s internet crashed while entering or something, not something that anet can do anything about. There’s even a ready thing you have to press before you can enter the map.

Mintyfreshsmell.1568:

-Many professions have to many pro to not enough cons. Take for instance eng, he has a counter for pretty much everything. While they are bad against conditions but so is everyone. In fact in many builds, condition is the ONLY viable counter.

This part alone is enough to convince me that you don’t actually have any basis for what you’re talking about and are just being incredibly biased.
Conditions are the only thing that counter engi? Hilarious. Engis rely on being fairly close up to deal any reliable damage, their grenades and magnet pull are jokingly easy to avoid at 600+ range. This means that any half decent mesmer or power ranger will trash an engi by merely kiting him around and attacking at range. In addition to this, mesmers have constant boon stripping to deny might stacking and to lower their vigor uptime while rangers have lots of access to immobilises and ccs, both of which are hard for an engi to deal with. Add necro to the list and we already have at least 3 classes that counter engi.

As for everyone having issues with condis… What? Eles have massive condi cleanse from their water traits, warriors have cleansing ire and often even have their shouts, rangers remove conditions every 10 second if they spec for it (which the majority do), necros have condition transferal, thieves either have condition removal on stealth or with sword 2 (which is enough when they avoid most condis in the first place).

People play games for fun.
If you don’t have fun playing this game, then go play something else.

Reikou.7068:

IPlayers should also be rewarded for win streaks

Players should be rewarded for being lucky enough to face several teams in a row that aren’t better than them? Makes sense.

unlucky.9285:

getting sick of it… most games start out balanced then everyone changes to cele monkeys… get rid of the ability to change classes for god sake

Because it wasn’t fine 2 months ago, then everyone moaned about not being able to do anything when they had 2 thieves, 2 rangers and a necro on their team.

jportell.2197:

BlackBeard.2873:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

A thief with 6 points in acrobatics and trickery will be applying massive damage from fire and air procs in 1v1 before teammates arrive, meaning the target will be lower health from random passive damage. That gives the thief an advantage they shouldn’t have because a thief build with 6 in acro and trickery should not have this much damage in the first place.

Fire/air sigil is completely and utterly broken beyond belief because it gives access to one of the highest dps in the entire game with random procs that have no tell to builds that are NOT supposed to have access to it.

A warrior (shoutbow, axe, hambow, axe/horn) will be getting guarenteed crit damage on their high damage skills in 1v1 before teammates arrive, meaning the target will be lower health from taking crit damage. That gives warriors an advantage they shouldn’t have when running with soldier or celestial amulet, which have inherently low crit rate in the first place.

Intelligence sigil is completely and utterly broken beyond belief because it gives access to 100% crit chance on the highest single hit damage in the entire game to classes that are NOT supposed to have access to it.

About fire/air – agreed. That is one thing people have been complaining needs a fix since before the change was even rolled out. This is a mechanic that lacks counterplay, its automatic damage.

Intelligence, while very strong, is a bit different. For one, it is 3 hits that crit, and those hits can be dodged. Intelligence either causes a low damage attack to crit (and who cares then?) or a high-damage attack to do more damage (and which you should have been focused on dodging in the first place). This one actually has some counterplay, imo.

Doom can really only be random-dodged on ele (and to a lesser extent warrior). As Chaith pointed out, you can miss many doom procs agaisnt S/D thief (who spends like 60% of its time in evade frames when its not out of range), but that is due to having MANY random dodges put together.

So…just because air/fire is broken, it doesn’t mean doom can’t be too! I say we fix them both (and other mechanics that lack counterplay)!!!

Kinda like Incendiary Powder, Spinal Shivers Procs, Rune of the nightmare fear, etc. I mean if we are gonna talk about on or two random procs we should talk about them all.

I was just providing two examples to undermine his complaint about doom sigils.