Key words “As soon as possible”, an ele/warrior will be applying poison in the 1v1 before teammates arrive, meaning the target will be lower health from less healing. That gives the ele/warrior an advantage they shouldn’t have because their class isn’t supposed to have this condition in the first place.
Doom sigil is completely and utterly broken beyond belief because it gives access to one of the strongest debuffs in the entire game with nearly 100% uptime to classes that are NOT supposed to have access to it.
A thief with 6 points in acrobatics and trickery will be applying massive damage from fire and air procs in 1v1 before teammates arrive, meaning the target will be lower health from random passive damage. That gives the thief an advantage they shouldn’t have because a thief build with 6 in acro and trickery should not have this much damage in the first place.
Fire/air sigil is completely and utterly broken beyond belief because it gives access to one of the highest dps in the entire game with random procs that have no tell to builds that are NOT supposed to have access to it.
A warrior (shoutbow, axe, hambow, axe/horn) will be getting guarenteed crit damage on their high damage skills in 1v1 before teammates arrive, meaning the target will be lower health from taking crit damage. That gives warriors an advantage they shouldn’t have when running with soldier or celestial amulet, which have inherently low crit rate in the first place.
Intelligence sigil is completely and utterly broken beyond belief because it gives access to 100% crit chance on the highest single hit damage in the entire game to classes that are NOT supposed to have access to it.
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33% healing reduction with nearly 100% up time on classes that are NOT supposed to have access to poison is better than anything you listed. Is 33% healing reduction really THAT underrated or misunderstood?
If everyone runs it and it’s so OP, then run generosity. It has the same CD and both removes the poison and gives it to your target.
If it’s not bad enough to need generosity, then your point is invalid.
You’re not going to give up doom/fire/air/intelligence/hydro to counter doom sigil, this argument makes me want to uninstall GW2.
So you’re saying that fire/air/intelligence/hydro are all so powerful that you don’t even need to counter doom sigil when you have these.
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33% healing reduction with nearly 100% up time on classes that are NOT supposed to have access to poison is better than anything you listed. Is 33% healing reduction really THAT underrated or misunderstood?
If everyone runs it and it’s so OP, then run generosity. It has the same CD and both removes the poison and gives it to your target.
If it’s not bad enough to need generosity, then your point is invalid.
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Doom sigil is the most overpowered sigil in the game right now, especially on an ele that should NOT have any access to poison, and having access to poison for that long of a duration/uptime is insane. Doom sigil should be discussed more in this thread.
Doom’s dodgeable/invuln/blindable, I think it’s not the most overpowered sigil in the game.
Explain how classes that shouldn’t have access to poison(a HUGE 33% healing debuff) having essentially FREE access to 6 seconds of poison every 9 seconds isn’t overpowered.
Also, if it’s not the most overpowered sigil, what is?
First of all, you’re complaining about a sigil that is most effective against passive healing (d/d eles). Active heals such as shelter or withdraw allow you to cleanse or wait for the poison to go before using your heal, minimising the effect of poison.
Second of all, fire and air sigils are far worse.
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Most of the topics i read here are about the bad matchmaking system, lack of players, unfair matches etc… so i gonna share my thoughts about this.
If you want to have balanced matches you need a system that sorts the queuing players into teams not only taking premde team sizes, but also player personal skills into consideration. Our current system seems to lack on both of these but imo the bigger problem is how the ranking system works.
Take a look at the leaderboard. 6 ppl in the top 15(even #1) got <=50% win rate. how is that even posible ?!?! (not meaning to offend these ppl thy surely are grate players)
all i see the leader syster rewards the time invested instead of player skill. Devs could copy the ranking system of chess like many other games did and guess what it works wonderfully for them.
This is how you get balanced matches: you drop in players with the same skill level which is determined by theyr rank points.
+Lot of my mates did quit the game just becouse of the bad ranking system. They didnt even argue about ‘bad matchmaking’ or ‘lack of gamemodes’ or ‘lack of tournaments’ the lack of competitive skill measurement was simply enough.
So in my opinion the implementation of a proper rankend system would not only fix most of the current problems by itself, but it would atract a LOT of people to the pvp scene.
1. Leaderboard ranking has nothing whatsoever to do with your rating.
2. Using rank points is possibly the worst idea I’ve ever heard. Someone with 0 wins 9001 losses will have more rank points than 1000 wins 0 losses.
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I keep seeing the same kitten quoted by people “5 seconds of Aoe protection in 10 seconds cooldown” and similar. Uh NO it is NOT. No one attunes just for the boon and then attunes back right away (that’s the only case where it would be remotely close to 10s). Attunements are not kits and are a class profession. It’s like me complaining about ranger pets being too stonkk kitten kitten.
This does bring up a good point: What is a d/d ele’s protection up-time?
First, What’s a reasonable time between Earth attunement swaps? I think 15sec – 20sec is a good estimate.
If we look at at 60 second window (hopefully a battle will be decided by then), we have the following sources for self-protection:
6 sec from Armor of Earth
10 sec from Shocking Aura x2
5 sec from Frost Aura
15 sec from Elemental Attunement (Earth) x3
+30% boon duration from 6 points in Arcane
Add it up and the d/d ele gets 46.8 seconds of Protection on himself in that 60 second window – 78% uptime. Group is only affected by Elemental Attunement, so that’s 19.5 seconds – 32.5% uptime.
Show me one top ele that spams Armor of Earth and Shocking Aura off cooldown.
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What mesmer is not running full illusion traitline nowadays? It’s like find an ele without 6 points in arcane or an engi without supply crate.
As I said before, there are PLENTY of specs/mesmers that don’t have the illusion CD trait since its deep in the Illusions traitline. The only specs I know offhand that go that deep into Illusions is Shatter (obviously since the traitline is for shattering) and some phantasm spec variants.
Just look at at the first few pages of the Mesmer forums to see all the different builds being run by mesmers that aren’t shatter; Mantra, several Phantasm specs, PU, Chaotic Interuption lockdown to name a few. Mesmers are not locked into playing shatter only and have many different viable specs available to them.
Do you really believe every mesmer plays Shatter as your last comment implies?
Edit: Sorry to derail the topic and this will be my last post on this subject but it just bothers me when people manipulate words, take things out of context, or flat out lie about things in order to sway the masses.
If you want to count wvw and pve specs then yes. Not every build uses it. See a mesmer not running shatter in pvp is as hard as find a d/d ele that is not celestial.
Funny. I see 0 d/d eles not running celestial in pvp, yet half the mesmers I currently see in ranked arenas are condi, CI, or some weird non-meta tanky build that I couldn’t figure out.
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Personally I feel you couldn’t go any younger than 16 because of legal issues. Is that the current reason for the age brackets? If you were to change it to 16
Yes. Under 18s would need some sort of parental consent, but it’s probably brings up a load of other issues.
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This guy owes me 100g from a bet I made against oRNG winning today’s weekly ESL tournament, but he didn’t give me his IGN and he’s disappeared. Anyone know it?
I would suggest starting with a class that allows you to make a few mistakes without dying so that you can learn the basic pvp mechanics faster. Ideal starter classes while sticking to the meta would be warrior (hambow or shoutbow), ranger (condi for tankiness or power for err… power), d/d ele, engineer (celestial or rabid).
I would try to avoid builds like turret engineer. Sure it’s great at low level play because other new players can’t deal with it, but you’ll learn a lot slower since it doesn’t require you to actually think about what you’re doing and it doesn’t put you in a good direction for higher level play where it’s easily countered.
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I didn’t say they open with that I just listed the simple combo. Decoy+mass invis is a lot of stealth for a class that has a insta cast teleport on a 8s cd and insta cast immune.
Decoy has a 40s cd while mass inv has 90s, a thief can stealth several times in this time frame.
The “insta cast teleport” is a really low range teleport that has absolutely nothing on a thief’s shortbow 5, which is also spammable.
I don’t even know how you can complain about a mesmer having a lot of stealth when thief has more stealth and more ways of kiting around or disengaging from a point.
40s? Every mesmer has the minor trait that reduces illusion cd so it is 32s. Shortobow #5 costs 6 initiative, if they use too much they can’t use other skills. Also why use thief as example if this class in the only natural counter to mes? Comparing mes mobility with everything else it has crazy mobility.
I didn’t say anything about thieves killing mesmers, so I don’t know why you’re bringing up counters. I was targeting what you said about mesmers having too much stealth considering their kiting potential, when it doesn’t even have nearly as much stealth or kiting potential as a thief. Why don’t you complain about thief instead?
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If I was to make a team myself and everyone was to join, and we just wanted to beat abjured, it’d be something like me, Stunningstyles, Raplion, Pink Puma, and Nymph as guardian.
That kind of team would own abjured. And if we lost 1st round due to engies not dying… All I gotta do is switch to my power ranger and BAM those engies, backpack and chaith, dead meat. PEW PEW em all day.
Force them to fight where I want to fight, you don’t let your enemies force you to fight where they want to fight.
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^ ugh coglin let’s not pretend the scoreboard represents player skill in any way.
What does the scoreboard have to do with it? When someone claims they “rarely” lose, yet have lost within 5% of 50% of their matches, it is a bit evident that they are being dishonest.
Especially when you look up said player’s post history and notice that most of their posts are just baseless ramblings.
coglin said “you present pics in which you are middle of the pack” which I took to mean he was commenting on uber’s placement in the scoreboard. 3rd/5th.
Apologies if this was wrong.
My point is the same as you guys are saying: uber clearly isn’t carrying teams. If anything, he’s dragging them down. His match score is irrelevant. His MMR and win% are relevant.
I was referring to uber btw.
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Define good? Your rating is average, so you should be getting matched with the average player.
lmao! All this months reading his posts everywhere, and I always assumed uberkingkong was a raging good player! Fact is he’s a raging average player! Do you play in EU uberkingkong? I’d love to see you in one of my game, since we seem to belong to the same skill bracket!
He’s obviously a troll or I suppose just very very up himself.
His post continues with this gem:
“Same with engies on my team. I let everyone know that my engy best be a turret engy because every other engy is garbage.
If they aint a turret engy and I see them getting wooped. I let them KNOW they should’ve played turret engy.”
No one serious would ever make that claim.
I don’t think this he’s a troll. It’s impossible to troll as much as that without getting bored and finding something else to do and I don’t remember the last time he made any meaningful comments.
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^ ugh coglin let’s not pretend the scoreboard represents player skill in any way.
What does the scoreboard have to do with it? When someone claims they “rarely” lose, yet have lost within 5% of 50% of their matches, it is a bit evident that they are being dishonest.
Especially when you look up said player’s post history and notice that most of their posts are just baseless ramblings.
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I didn’t say they open with that I just listed the simple combo. Decoy+mass invis is a lot of stealth for a class that has a insta cast teleport on a 8s cd and insta cast immune.
Decoy has a 40s cd while mass inv has 90s, a thief can stealth several times in this time frame.
The “insta cast teleport” is a really low range teleport that has absolutely nothing on a thief’s shortbow 5, which is also spammable.
I don’t even know how you can complain about a mesmer having a lot of stealth when thief has more stealth and more ways of kiting around or disengaging from a point.
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I am in no way trying to add to the complaining that already happens in PvP XD, just curious!
After spending a lot of time in Heart of the Mists (PvP), I feel like it would be nice to add a little sunlight to the constant dark (rainy mood) that the map is always in.
I was just curious if there are any plans to add a little more sunlight to the place (or as a matter of fact changing anything within the map in the future).
some serious pvp issues being discussed here…
The dreary atmosphere is too OP and needs a nerf, yet another no-skill passive in PvP but has 100% proc rate and uptime, you can’t avoid because you can’t leave the place while queuing.
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Celestial is not really op, but their passive damage is. At least 60 of their damage is passive(burn on crit/geomancy/doom/fire field etc).They just outsustain you and kill you over time with their passive damage.It doesn’t really matter how well you dodge, or how you position yourself, cause 60% of their dame is passive.
And how much of a d/d ele’s damage is passive and undodgeable? Doom is. I don’t even know why fire field is on that list, unless you’re counting the bit of burning you get from walking past the ring.
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All builds and classes have a compromise (thieves have easier time vs some classes, warriors vs others and so on). I am not saying what you are if you disregard this fact – I am nice like that.
What class is thief strong against?
Every other berserker except dps guardian.
So specs that don’t exist in PVP?
Because of thief.
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There is nothing that anyone can say that is going to convince myself and apparently several other players, that these specs are not gamebreakingly overpowered.
Hyperbole doesn’t make your argument stronger. Are they popular? Of course. Are they great S tier builds? Yes. Are they “gamebreakingly overpowered” like the condi necro was when the dhuumfire patch hit or 100 nades? Not at all.
Numbers and solid reasoning will prove your point. Caps lock will not.
To everyone, I highly suggest you try out all of these builds in question. If you have not given them a real good shot, it’s very hard to talk intelligently about the build. Some players have asked for nerfs on skills that aren’t even used on standard D/D builds or skills that are generally considered fine. You might find that these builds aren’t broken when you play them.
As far as numbers go one only has to look at the most successful teams as of late. Celestial builds are stacking on nearly every single successful high end team. Those are numbers enough.
And yet the winner of the last two EU monthly finals (55hp monks) has 1 cele, 2 clerics, 2 berserker. Hmm…
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All builds and classes have a compromise (thieves have easier time vs some classes, warriors vs others and so on). I am not saying what you are if you disregard this fact – I am nice like that.
What class is thief strong against?
Every other berserker except dps guardian.
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exactly, someone needs to be able to stand up to phantaram, someone needs to stand up to toker, and 2 people need to stand up to engi/necro. it’s all skill. if you can win more even numbered fights than you lose then you can out-rotate, and that’s what conquest is period.
Implying that nobody ever stands up to these guys in tournaments, they obviously all just run away at the sight of them approaching.
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However, among other issues, the scoreboard in SPvP is abysmal and always has been. I know, from the rest of the content, that A. Net can do better than this.
And how exactly would you measure someone kiting around 3 members of the enemy team off point and allowing the rest of your team to hold a triple cap?
Now I’m not defending the scoreboard, but you can never get a true representation of player contribution in this game unless you have 10 qualified spectators on every match watching each player.
An attempt should be made or at least discussed which is what the op is doing. Im for more stats/transparency whenever the choice exists.
And I’m trying to pose a certain scenario which appears to be near impossible to quantise into a score. The person running around kiting 3 members won’t be standing on point for any duration, won’t be dealing any significant damage, won’t be providing any form of party support in terms of healing and boons, won’t be resurrecting or finishing, yet is arguably contributing more to the team than any other member. How do you measure this?
And yes this is an extreme scenario, but there are often situations throughout matches where you can take advantage of being a squishy or low target by kiting your aggressors around the point while your on-point team-mates win the fight on the point.
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However, among other issues, the scoreboard in SPvP is abysmal and always has been. I know, from the rest of the content, that A. Net can do better than this.
And how exactly would you measure someone kiting around 3 members of the enemy team off point and allowing the rest of your team to hold a triple cap?
Now I’m not defending the scoreboard, but you can never get a true representation of player contribution in this game unless you have 10 qualified spectators on every match watching each player.
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Except Elementalist’s are not in a decent spot. Just stated above as to why they’re over-the-top. Drake’s breath helped but you still have access to the most AoE application of burning in the game. There’s an issue with that.
And Thieves have access to the most AoE application of stealth in the game. Omg nerf pls.
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If I was to make a team myself and everyone was to join, and we just wanted to beat abjured, it’d be something like me, Stunningstyles, Raplion, Pink Puma, and Nymph as guardian.
That kind of team would own abjured. And if we lost 1st round due to engies not dying… All I gotta do is switch to my power ranger and BAM those engies, backpack and chaith, dead meat. PEW PEW em all day.
Force them to fight where I want to fight, you don’t let your enemies force you to fight where they want to fight.
Ya’ll underestimate guardians too, yall need to be playing the medi guardian. Serious easy to own thieves necros and mesmers on medi guardian (That’s like half of abjured).
Oh and I believe it would make a good stream, I could see nymph getting excited owning abjured thief and necros.
And he’s so pro that all the other pros leave when he comes online:
totally fine going afk , especially if you are in a 4vs5 or the score is 300-50, just let the game end quickly
But it’s worse than this. There are people who will afk just because their team lost the very first fight, which is downright narrow-minded of them. I’ve even seen people afk before the match even starts just because they don’t like someone in their team.
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Basically in every thread you post you would have to support your argument with your own MMR. – well, I’d still prefer to see it.
While the MMR can cause drama, it could also enrich a grown up community.
Every discussion would get more value. F.e. if people are complaining about power ranger with the information of their mmr, we would be able to specify on which mmr this problem appear and therefore be better at solving it.
But instead I occasionally see people taking the current leaderboards seriously, which causes even worse drama. I once had a person on the first page of the leaderboards call me a noob and saying I don’t know what I’m talking about when I tried to explain that rushing the lord in the first 2 minutes of a match was a bad idea.
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I wanted to PM Justin with this, but his inbox is full. Poor Justin
Anyway, I was wondering how MMR changes work within a team of players with different MMRs.
For example, if there are two players in a team and one of them has twice the MMR of another player and they both have the same deviation, would that player receive less of an MMR boost when winning a match against a team with an average MMR between the two players, or would the change in MMR be the same?
In other words, if there is a low MMR player who begins to play only with a premade team that carries him/her, would the MMR gap between these team members shrink or remain the same?
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I see plenty of people complain about long queue times, so I get that that is an issue for some people. I haven’t polled, but maybe the much better players in my matches have had to wait for far too long. Me personally, I usually have a queue wait of maybe a minute more than the average tops. So I’m guessing most of the time, I’m being served up as the chum for better players so they don’t have to wait longer.
I do find that the matches that take 6-8 minutes to get started tend to be lower quality matches (one team stomping the other) than matches that only take 2 minutes to get started. I guess this is due to the failsafe when less people are in the queue.
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No, there’s something with the way the game is designed that makes someone either play the game for 2 years straight and know everything, or be brand new to it. No middle ground. The only other games I’ve played like that were obscure f2p MMO’s with a tiny player base.
Even I don’t fall into either category here, I only started seriously PvPing around 10 months ago (by which I mean, I was still only rank 15ish at that point).
I just mean specifically in PvP it seems like there’s no matching on skill level, it’s “throw a bunch of people together and then try to balance two teams”.
Well this is true to some extent. As far as I can tell, the match making with gather up people who queue within a certain time frame (for argument’s sake, let’s say 5 minutes) and then attempts to create a number of matches with the players that queue in this space of time. I don’t know if this is how it works, but I imagine these players would be first split into different tiers (if there are 30 people in the queue, then 3 tiers) then attempt to divide these players into teams of similar MMR.
When there aren’t many people queuing, there’s a failsafe that prevents the queue time from being too large (I think this is around 6-8 minutes) and therefore reduces the number of people it has to work with and therefore the number of different tiers, which results in a larger deviation in player skill level within each of these tiers.
Obviously you can’t force players of the same skill level to queue up within 5 minutes of 9 other people of the same skill level queuing up – in the ideal world this would happen.
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