Guild Wars 2

MarkPhilips.5169:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

So why does nobody ever use them in tournaments?

Because it’s so brainless that people probably feel ashamed to use it.

But turret engi build has an amazing low skill cap and too high rewards.

It needs balance.

No because the only one that does reasonable dps is rocket which you can focus down, thumper obviously don’t stand next to it, rifle does very little damage except for it’s OK damage when it’s overcharged.

The only thing it’s good for is 1v1ing on point, but just don’t go to that point on your own and the engi has to just stand there and be useless to his team, or pick up his turrets to move somewhere else, allowing you to take advantage of the cooldowns.

Also as a burst class, attack him off point and he either has to waste his turrets off point or reach the point with 25% hp.

Xaylin.1860:

The change on Deception is nice to have but won’t change much.

If you’re 1v1ing a thief and you go down but the thief is 10% hp, he can’t stealth stomp you anymore, which buys you time to kill him with illusionary rogue, which will also lead to possibly winning downed fight.

Uuni.6091:

-no nerf to passive procs
-no nerf to supply drop
-no nerf to stealth
-no nerf to condi spam autoattacks
-no nerf to celestial stats
-no passive proc indicators
-trait tree filled with worthless traits
-metabattle still/already has the best builds
-this balace patch roll-out rate
ESPORTS

You know, you could think about all the things that DID get done and not the things that DIDN’T get done since it’s impossible to have true perfect balance in any game.

MarkPhilips.5169:

BTW it’s amazing they didn’t touch Engi turrets.

It’s kitten for the game.

So why does nobody ever use them in tournaments?

GhOst.4019:

Changes meh. Made condi more powerful. Nerfed might (good?) but that changes nothing in the spect that it is nerfed for everyone and still leaves everyone in the same boat.

You realise that not every single class relies on might right? Mostly the cele classes that people have been moaning about for so long.

mulzi.8273:

Cele eles are borderline OP, due to the amulet. No way a class should have that much dmg, coupled with that much healing and then a heap of prot on top of that. The amulet needs adjusting.

No, it’s not due to the amulet. Try killing anything as a celestial engi without that sigil of battle and might stacking rune.

Maylo.5892:

Where is the Celestial amulet nerf? Do not even tell me this is not going to be solved this patch..

This can (and has) lead to a massive discussion, but the general view seems to be that celestial amulet itself isn’t the problem with the celestial builds, might stacking is the bigger issue since these builds rely on large might stacks to deal a reasonable level of damage.

Bukkebruse.2810:

Tiny nerf to might, battle sigils made less significant, torment sigils added, no celestial changes (yet) and a lot of irrelevant changes to useless skills and traits that will remain unused after the patch.

Seems pretty meh so far, sorry.

Right. Besides the fact that celestial engis use the sigil for most of their might stacks, so it’s essentially cutting their might potential by 1/4.

They’re nerfing might and sigil of battle soon, which will tone down both classes.

Superior Sigil of Battle: The amount of might granted from this item has been reduced from 3 stacks to 2 stacks.

YES. GG WP.

Check your sell history, it usually means they were already sold but your inventory list didn’t update.

Well let’s have a look at hard content that has been released.

Tequatl and Triple Trouble were considered hard when released. Now that a strategy has been established for both of these, they are no longer hard. If they had been made harder than they currently are, they would have been EVEN harder at release and people would have complained about it being impossible.

Same can be said for Lupi in Arah explorable.

TA Aetherpath was also considered hard at release. It’s still hard enough that it takes less experienced teams over an hour to complete, which demotivates most people.

*Edited because the words “hard” and “on” are censored when combined together >.>

Season is over, off-season starts on Saturday and leaderboards will be reset.

That’s the thing though, they AREN’T PvE methods, these methods are global throughout every aspect of the game. If you want to make money, then put the effort it to make it rather then doing whatever you want and expecting money to pop out of thin air.

And let’s not forget that you get a set amount of silver per game anyway.

Well how about seasonal items then? Items that people know will appear at a specific time of year anyway.

You are too crazy. This would create loads of stupidly OP builds and make balancing even more of a nightmare than it is now.

Guardian of Angels.9867:

They could for example:
AFK 100 games, that’s not very pretty.

Ragequitter – AFK or leave 5 games.
This title is forced upon all characters and will disappear after X days.

Instead of having these items that are available only at specific times of the year, why not just double/triple the price when they are out of season? Some people want an item badly enough and have enough money to pay extra for it rather than to wait up to 10 months for it to reappear. This would satisfy both those players AND create additional income since they are paying extra, without any actual negative impact (as long as you put a note that it is more expensive because it’s out of season, or even create a new tab for them).

Abaddon.2105:

I just had an idea to bring some unique titles into sPvP and awarding people that during a season have won 100+ games without losing a single one.

Do you think winning 100 times without losing a single ranked arena match is being a Godlike?

A lot of this is just luck as to who you’re matched against.
A different idea could be 100+ ranked games won without dying.

Smirgel.9460:

Abaddon.2105:

Smirgel.9460:

Now I’m not saying that this should be high on the list of things to fix, but still.. Seriously, I have a stack of these lvl up tomes with no intention to make another alt or farm BL keys for the next month like a braindead. So, whenever I get one of these tomes it just feels like a nerf to the amount of gold I can get through PvP. And there’s not a single reward track without them! Can we please get just pure gold (with only stuff that are sellable) reward track? That would be awesome, thanks.

You seems to not know how to effectively manage the goods that some game modes are offering.

Before posting your thoughts about something that is useless for you, make sure that it is not useless for majority.

All I’m suggesting here is to add additional track with strictly gold rewards. If you (or the “majority”) still find rewards offered in current reward tracks useful, feel free to do those.

What comes to managing goods offered in other game modes, I’m perfectly aware of the methods to convert them to gold If I so choose. Problem is, this is incredibly time consuming. Not to mention opening, clicking and micro-managing piles of loot bags is, quite frankly, an extremely tedious task.

This applies to both WvW and PvE though, why don’t we make dungeons and WvW just drop gold? Most of the drops are stuff we’d just convert to gold anyway, not to mention opening, clicking and micro-managing piles of loot bags is, quite frankly, an extremely tedious task.

(by the way, I was being sarcastic)

So as people have already mentioned, you can make money from skill points.
Transmutation charges on the other hand…

Not sure if trolling, or highly misinformed…

“best armor bonus” – maybe best base bonus, but no protection uptime and lowest number of evades and teleports
“passive immune against conditions” – For like 8 seconds out of 60.
“passive god mod” – 4 seconds out of 60…
“8+ sec CC AOE with hammer” – all of which are extremely easy to dodge
“passive 100% critical chance” – For 3 hits on weapon swap, the worst of which is esy to dodge
“and best one hit damage” – Clearly you haven’t played against a d/p thief, s/f ele, shatter mesmer, etc…
“can run away like no other” – This is a joke right? They have like the lowest mobility in the game unless you run with sword or GS (and it looks like you’re talking about hambow)
“best healing skill of the game” – Healing turret combo is higher burst, d/d eles have higher sustained healing.

You know, the whole point of this system is that you get the same daily reward you got under the old system just by logging in. The new system gives extra rewards for people who wish to put in the extra effort for the extra rewards.

And PvP has it easy compared to PvE, you can pretty much get 2 PvP dailies done just by playing the game. In PvE, you can’t even guarentee getting a single daily without doing things you wouldn’t otherwise be doing.

And if getting the 10AP is what matters to you, AP means nothing to pure PvPers anyway…

Ryan.9387:

No. This will reduce pvp playerbase too much. If you don’t like the players you get, make some friends and queue with them.

Well no, because 99.9% of the pvp playerbase would probably already meet the requirement.

And it’s not just about having these people on your team, it’s also incredibly boring to face teams with these people. I know a few players who have stopped doing team pvp and only play in custom arenas with and against people they know or in 1v1 arenas because of this.

Solstice.1097:

I think the players who are proficient at multiple classes and wise enough to quickly look at comps and know if they should swap…. that is an advantage that the player has earned through experience. If you find enemy teams all swapping to hard counter you, there is nothing stopping you from loading in as something different than you’re going to play, then swapping to your real toon, to throw them off. Swapping goes both ways.

Unless the person swapping memorises their loading times and gets back in during the final countdown.

I just got my mini llama through the mail.

Guardian of Angels.9867:

I don’t see a way how your system is gonna be effective OP.

You can play 100 hot join games while being awesome at killing players, being clueless about Conquest.

You can play 100 un-ranked games while being awesome at camping a point, clueless about team rotations / tactics.

But you will have more knowledge about the general mechanics of PvP than you would without those 100 games.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Conversely, experienced players should also be locked out from joining Practice mode just to go farm noobies.

Farm what exactly? Rank points that you get faster from arenas?

Or under the current system they see that you switched from engi to ele and suddenly they’re no longer double nerco. Lets face it, every system has flaws.

Justin ODell.9517:

Wintersnight.3061:

If we DC during those 30 seconds…can we come back as a different character?

Yes

Does this count as a loss though?

It’s also downright annoying to play against 3 rangers + 2 thieves

I’m pretty sure living story season 2 alone accounts for much more developer time than every PvP balance patch ever.

You’re oversimplifying. You aren’t playing with the exact same team against a recurring team with same comps and same circumstances as well as neither team improving on their gameplay.

And being stuck with the same build is an invalid argument, make your own builds instead of hopping on the bandwagon if it hurts you so badly.

Being forced to have a class results in a dead game? How about every other mmorpg before GW2 that required a solid frontline, backline and support in order to function, regardless of the meta? You can’t use this argument against GW2.

Lordrosicky.5813:

This is 100% correct. For example playing a necro vs mesmer/thief is really hard unless you also have a thief (on your team) who is dominating or at least causing serious problems for the other teams thief and mesmer..

You make it sound like having a thief on your own team is such a rare occurrence.

Shouldn’t take mearly as long as wvw rewards, we’re talking 500 people as opposed to the thousands that did 2 hours of wvw during those seasons

That’s interesting, because for me PvE is 95% repeated content against unchanging AI and I only set foot in PvE when I’m both exhausted by PvP and am doing it with friends/guildies on teamspeak.

‘Rewarding’ varies a lot between people, I will never understand people who find world completion rewarding enough to do it more than once, I haven’t got more than 60% on any characters

Tom Gore.4035:

Maybe Anet knows everyone hates playing against mesmers? Well maybe except thieves.

Let me correct those typos for you:

Maybe Anet knows everyone hates playing against mesmers? Well maybe except against teams without thieves

Simon.3794:

lordkrall.7241:

I don’t know, I usually play for fun, but that might just be me I suppose.

i always said this, because i never care about leaderboard, never cared about rewards, never cared about reconition but not this time.

nothing fun any more.

every thing is nerfed to a point that nothing is fun anymore.

zerker yolo rifle is no fun anymore, bleed condi rifle war exist no more, zerker yolo gs/axe shield is no fun anymore, 4 signets thief is no fun anymore, gimmicks are no fun anymore. only thing with some fun is s/f zerker ele, and thats it..
and im so bored of the meta

Gimmicks are no fun anymore? Trolling arenas with totally unexpected builds is as fun as ever!

300 is a bit over the top, try 20-50 wins, something that’s a reasonable goal for newer players to aim for.

Tom Gore.4035:

For #4, if you allowed class swapping it would just end up in a class swapping war until time runs out. Let’s start the PvP only after the game starts, ok?

As someone in another thread suggested, don’t show the enemy team until the final 10s countdown – this way the only reason to class swap is to counter class stacking in your own team.

Lewis Burnell.2493:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Runewolf.8456:

It’s almost like Thieves and Mesmers were built to hunt squishies or something….

You’re suggesting that the primary role of a mesmer is to hunt down squishies? Mesmers are actually a good counter to celestial builds if they don’t have a thief on their tail.

Sadly they can’t do anything for an entire match if they do

#wtsfinal

Problem #1 is generally a sync issue when the downed player has lag – the player isn’t actually where you see them as being.

Nope, the leaderboard only resets at the start of a new season, not at the end of each season.

Runewolf.8456:

It’s almost like Thieves and Mesmers were built to hunt squishies or something….

You’re suggesting that the primary role of a mesmer is to hunt down squishies? Mesmers are actually a good counter to celestial builds if they don’t have a thief on their tail.

I’m yet to figure out what silverwastes is…

Anyway, I think we’ve established that meta rise out of a counter to a precious meta. Teams shift to the new meta because it counters their current comp and the cycle repeats.

I thought might stacking was the reason for the current meta? Take the double ele, double engi, s/d thief comp, every single one of them stacks might

I think you mean Professional Team Pvp Guild [tPvP].

And are you sure they use ts? My experience with them suggests lack of communication, unless they intentionally 3v1 on their own point.

I don’t understand why you are going so overboard with this. All I was suggesting is giving a minimum number of wins that equate to up to a week of effort before opening up unranked, just like how a pve player has to play a minimum amount of pve before they can access Arah explorable mode, is this being PvE elitist? Arah does not have the same gameplay as AC after all

Also I also object to YOUR attitude, pouncing on me and calling me elitist for suggesting that someone with 200+ wins has more experience than someone with less than 20 wins. This is total wins since buying the game.

And this is NOTHING compared to the elitist scene where you have to spend 2 years playing the game to be accepted into competitive PvP. A week is nothing close to 2 years.

And believe me, I DO teach PvP to players in both my PvP and PvE guild as well as anyone who asks, but I’m not about to teach the entire population of beginners in PvP for very obvious reasons.

Ithilwen.1529:

Yet another elitist post. It’s all fine and dandy to espouse Ayn Rand social darwinism when you win often.

However, I’d be willing to bet that the most gem store purchases come from pve and “bad” players like me.

I’ll laugh when you’ve driven all the players away and you can enjoy the last day of the game and congratulate yourself on finally getting the play level you wanted.

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO PvP in Star Trek Online (non existant )

LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO CITY OF HEROES ( deceased )

I’m sorry, but how on earth is this elitist? Unranked gives you the exact same gameplay as ranked, but you won’t affect your own ranking or more importantly, the ranking of the rest of your party.

Furthermore, we aren’t talking about putting in a year’s worth of effort to be able to compete in ranked arena, we’re talking like maybe a week at the very most.

Archaon.9524:

Terrorsquad.2349:

Lux.7169:

Justin ODell.9517:

Try to look at it from the eyes of a beginner guys.

The NPCs award points, and give you a buff. Who wouldn’t want that?

It takes a higher level of understanding of the both the map and conquest mechanics to get that securing mid is important.

How would you guys suggest we go about teaching this to players?

Don’t hide MMR’s so the people with bad MMR’s have less room to argue with the higher MMR players =\

…I’m being serious

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Sorry, couldn’t resist. I really doubt this will happen though, seems too complex to implement. One thing you could do is put numbers beside each of the rank titles like in guild wars 1 ( Legendary Champion (8) ). I know that rank is not a good indicator of player skill, but it’s better than nothing and will get rank 10 people to listen to obviously more experienced players