Guild Wars 2

Whenever I try to view the second tab of the PvP window (the leagues one), my client crashes. Tried this multiple times after the patch and crashed every time.

I can perhaps let it slide if it’s just all soloqs vs 2 duoq, but when 1 of the 2 duoqs on the enemy team is the #1 and 2 on the EU leaderboard, then I just don’t understand anymore.

Match was at 18:01-18:15 GMT

I’m not sure if this is a bug with my keyboard or the game, but I will explain the bug. I am using the Mac client.

I have Q bound to strafe left and W bound to forward, heal skill is A. If I hold down Q and W (so that I’m walking diagonally forward and left), I am unable to use my heal skill (A). I do not however have this problem if I hold down W and E and use A (forward-right while using heal skill).

I have tried binding A to other utilities skills, in each situation I still have the issue of not being able to use that skill while walking forward-left.

I disagree with a lot of things here.

First of all, it’s impossible to rate best carry classes since it depends heavily on team composition (both yours and enemy). For example thief becomes a lot harder to carry with if the whole enemy team are tanky, compared to having easy targets that you can quickly +1 and kill in a few seconds.

Second of all, I would say that the two hardest classes to carry with (assuming meta builds for each class) are ele and necro. These are the two classes that depends heavily on your teammates being good, although for different reasons. For necro, you rely heavily on team support since you are the most vulnerable target in any team fight among all the meta classes. For ele, you rely on your teammates both to kill players and to rotate well. If your team zergs around as a 5 man group, there’s not really much you can do about it.

Then there’s your bottom ranking for warrior, which I disagree with. Someone playing the meta zerker gs warrior and is proficient at it will be able to win most 1v1 matchups, more importantly they can be won quickly. Greatsword also gives great mobility for +1ing and disengaging, it’s often possible to kite two players around if their skill level is lower than yours (which I assume is the case if we’re talking about carrying).

I don’t understand why you ranked thief as top when you even said yourself “ONLY if the match is somewhat close and your team only need a little push here and there”.

I can’t tell you the best carry class because I suck at all of them, but I would say that three of the top carry classes right now are engi, mesmer and warrior. But only if you have mastered the class and know how to kite and rotate. All three of these are able to win many 1v1 matchups if you’re proficient at the class, all of these can kite 2 people around and allow your team to outnumber the rest of the map. Theoretically the best way to carry is to force the enemy team to constantly 2v1 (or even 3v1) you and give your team the numbers advantage across the rest of the map. You’ll be able to force them to 2v1 you if they all die to you 1v1, particularly if they die quickly (e.g. zerker warrior).

Konakona.4130:

But but ofcorse he climbed, he is a ESL pro-player after all.

In case it wasn’t clear enough, this is not helseth

Kittykittymeowmew, aren’t you the guy who died to a thief 1v1 in 2 seconds in gold?

reikken.4961:

there would need to be something else to offset this bonus
else average mmr would just slowly go up

+1
Something like halving the rating gain/loss for both teams if the score difference was under 100 might be good.

I disconnected during a game for slightly over 1 minute, but we won the game. I gained the full 1.5k glory for a win, yet I lost league rating for this match. I don’t really understand the logic here.
Also comes up as a desertion in my match history.

Any chance of the EU one not being on bonfire night?

El Psy Congroo.7965:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Season 3 should be in 1 month from now.

Does that mean I’ll be Amber until the new Season starts?

Yes. It doesn’t affect anything other than your badge though, since ranked is disabled.

Season 3 should be in 1 month from now.

musu.9205:

1."The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer " if by balanced you meant weak and didnt see much use before .

If by ’didn’t see much use’ you meant used by majority of ESL mesmers, then sure.

musu.9205:

2.slow is not big for chrono but meta build does have it ,And since you wanted to start this kind of argument based on the certain words we used for sake of argument, how you explain your " The main point was that there was not a single nerf"?plz

The only mesmer ‘nerf’ was slow, which is hardly used in the meta mesmer build. You are seriously going to call slow a mesmer nerf?plz
Meanwhile mesmer gets an alacrity buff, which affects everything, especially the F4 and F5 cooldowns. Therefore mesmer got buffed.

musu.9205:

what i actually said :you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes

And your point of this was what? You were implying that they only buffed unused things no? Or were you just making a pointless comment?

musu.9205:

4. guys _ (plural form implies that you are referring to multiple people)
logic : guys may or may not include you ,stop using your ego overthink everything while you cant even get the simple logic right plz.

Stop using your ego to pretend that you weren’t including me in the plural.

musu.9205:

5. again you cant raed

And you can’t spell.

musu.9205:

2. "glaringly obvious issue "what fact you used to decide thats glaringly obvious issue ?

The fact that moa was balanced before chronomancer came and reduced its effective cooldown from 180s to around 60s (with alacrity)?

musu.9205:

“They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.”
are you karl who thought old alacrity increased group dps by 66% ? so srsly are you karl ?

also as i said ,they nerfed slow , and u guys totally forgot that slow was basically mes unique condition .

It’s still a buff to all chronomancers. You said that the only buffs were to things that nobody used, which was wrong. Also slow is such an insignificant part of the current meta mesmer build.

musu.9205:

and 4. i was replying another player , and suddenly you thought that "you lost " as yourself lost .so much ego

reading is too hard for you sadly.

Hold on, let me quote your post again, highlighting the relevant part:

musu.9205:

you guys (plural form implies that you are referring to multiple people) didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes before made post (wait who was the original poster? oh wait, it was me) complaining and you wonder why you lost in pvp

Reading your own posts is too hard for you sadly.

Another shatterstone buff! I’m looking forward to the time when it eventually one-shots people. I might start running scepter seriously then.

musu.9205:

brannigan.9831:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

No nerfs for mesmer, only buffs. ANet be trolling.

They almost never do the right thing why should we be surprised now. They don’t really involve the community in anything and they don’t have a test server to test changes and allow people to give feedback or suggestions. They are the worst devs when it comes to balance and soliciting feedback of any group of devs of any MMORPG I’ve ever played and i’ve played a lot. They are take it or leave it we know better then you types. I really haven’t seen that type of attitude since Everquest 15 years ago. I am used to playing games where the devs are on the forums a lot and explain there reasoning with the playerbase and sometimes gasp change things based on the feeback they get and sometimes even implement things that were suggested first by the playerbase. Not just roll out garbage and say “eat up” fools.

you guys didnt even read the patch note and check what skills or weapon set they buffed on mes before made post complaining and you wonder why you lost in pvp .
its too funny
also slow got nerfed .

1. Alacrity on shatters got buffed, which every chronomancer benefits from. Considering that the meta chronomancer runs with chronophantasma and clone on shatter, this is an even bigger buff that it appears.
2. The main point was that there was not a single nerf, despite the glaringly obvious issue of continuum split which should at the very least get a cd increase. They actually indirectly REDUCED the cd on F5 with the buff to alacrity on shatter.
3. I like how you’re assuming that I lose my matches. I had somewhere around a 70% win ratio in soloq last season.

No nerfs for mesmer, only buffs. ANet be trolling.

I’m also unable to open the launcher on my Mac since the update.

Keadron.9570:

Where are those last minute plays that win/ lose the match?

I’ve had about 100x more of these this season than last. Last season it took 5 mins to cap anything.

Depends on whether or not you’re comparing to last season. It was definitely better than last season, but still not a complete success.

Spartacus.3192:

because some power specs last more than the 3 seconds that the average power rev lasts vs the condi cancer classes out there.

Where are you getting this from? Power rev kills condi necro 1v1 if the necro starts with less than 20% shroud. Between the dodges/blocks/cc/glint heal, there’s more than enough time to burst the necro down before the condis become an issue.

99% chance it will be next week – that’s when the league season ends and also when SAB ends.

Please add a ready button to the end-of-zone timer and skip the timer if everyone presses ready. It’s annoying having to stand around for 50 seconds doing nothing when everyone is already finished.

Please also add a skip cutscene button, especially for w1z1 which takes a while.

I have a couple of questions:

It’s obviously easier to make massive plays against teams of lower skilled players, how will this be taken into account?

Also are multiple submissions allowed per player?

If they revert stability, then these things that spam 1 stack of stab all the time are gonna be even more OP. They would have to rework all of these 1 stack of stab traits (which tbh, they really should anyway…)

You only make progress for one of those achievements at a time. You cross 1 division and complete first achievement, then you have to cross 2 more divisions after that to get the second achievement, etc.

jessiestiles.9437:

Anet gave every new account a good mmr. Which is why all season people have been farming with alt accounts.

BTW how is dream land? It must be nice all year round.

You realise that you can’t farm the achievements/tickets/badges on an alt account and transfer them to your main account right? People used alt accounts because legendary queues were over an hour long in the first half of the season, nothing to do with MMR.

Shylock.4653:

Pyriall.1683:

More people can walk and chew gum at the same time than those who cannot.

Yeah, but in this case you need different parts of your body. For playing and typing you need your hands. So in your example try eating a steak while you chew a gum. ;-)

Easy, just put the gum on the left, steak on the right and chew both at the same time, then take the gum out when they are chewed.

Topher.5631:

Thank you for posting this, but next time you should post it maybe a day before. I would have loved to play one but I didn’t know about it until today XD

Well I don’t actually have anything to do with the tournament, I’m just a filthy casual player who joined the tournament last minute :P

Brigg.6189:

I haven’t been paying much attention to the tournament scene. Is this the main (maybe only) amateur tournament on NA right now?

It’s the only one with gem rewards, that’s for sure.

Shameless advert for the NA AG cup happening tonight. I would strongly recommend anyone who is looking for more competitive games to sign up for this, as it is currently the only consistent tournament besides the pro league and you can win gems for first and second place! It would be great to have a larger group of players participating in this and it can also be used (and has been used) as a stepping stone towards pro leagues.

You don’t need your own team (although you can join as one of you like), you can just sign up as an individual player and you’ll be put into a team with voice comms – most people seem to be pugging this nowadays anyway so it’s not that big of a deal).

Obviously it’s mostly aimed NA players, but if you can join as an EU player if you have an NA account and don’t mind staying up all night.

Details and signup here: https://battlefy.com/academy-gaming/na-ag-weekly-67/5707e3a51a68b38212b39eb0/info

Aitadis.8269:

Good idea if you want legend players to wait in 15+ min ques.

Are you saying that most of the people currently in legendary are people trolling or going for class achievements?
I think it’s only a small percentage, but it’s enough to waste the time of 4 other people (as well as giving the enemy players an easy win they it should have been more competitive) whenever they enter a match.

You mean ToL4 – we already had 3 of them.

There’s a lot of people who reach legendary and either start doing class achievements or simply stop caring about wins and start trolling games.

I would therefore like to suggest that it is possible to drop back down to diamond division from legendary. This will not affect their achievements, they will still retain the the same number of divisions crossed.

This is a win/win situation.
The achievement farmers get the exact same achievement progress as they would if this didn’t exist (it would actually be easier to get class achievements after dropping back to diamond).
Meanwhile the serious players in legendary don’t get their matches destroyed by these players.

Amineo.8951:

I think DH Focus 5 + True Shot + Judge Intervention + Smite Condition is up there too.

This combo doesn’t actually work in practice because the true shot would knock the guy out of range of your shield explosion. Unless you time your teleport and shield explosion before the trueshot lands, but then that makes the burst take place over a long period of time and the target will dodge as soon as you port in, making the trueshot miss.

foogison.5067:

New Question:

Given that warrior has the highest single burst skill currently, is there any way for a warrior to gain on-demand stealth?

No and rightfully so. This would make warrior able to one-shot people from stealth and from 1.2k range with no danger to the warrior whatsoever.

Classic Threat.

Toxic good player simply because you can just ignore them and you’ll have a better game than with the nice bad player.

Probably kill shot with full adrenaline. Impractical to use compared to gun flame though due to long cast time and having to stand still.

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Phil.8901:

http://pro.eslgaming.com/gw2/proleague/results/

I was interested to watch Dragons vs TCG, scheduled on monday, but it seems they didn’t play.

They did play, I clearly remember watching that matchup yesterday after the other 4 matchups. That or someone has been spiking my drinks.

I even found the match in past broadcasts, not sure why you thought they didn’t play

https://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/v/58632464

NeXeD.3042:

Love that this “it’s out of my hands so screw it” attitude is spreading. Hope all those MMR hell preachers are happy with there following.

Phil.8901:

http://pro.eslgaming.com/gw2/proleague/results/

I was interested to watch Dragons vs TCG, scheduled on monday, but it seems they didn’t play.

They did play, I clearly remember watching that matchup yesterday after the other 4 matchups. That or someone has been spiking my drinks.

DrDivine.5378:

Shadow.1345:

I seriously hate thieves and I mained one when I started playing. It’s still listed as my favorite class on the pvp panel but most of the thief players annoy the hell out of me. Pretty much everyone knows thieves and warriors are pretty much trash tier. Sure there are a few good thief players that can play the class well but overall the class is just outdone by Revenant. The difference between warrior players and thief players is that the warrior players know their class is trash. Thieves on the other hand act like you insulted their family honor for daring to ask them to change when you have more than one or if you say their class is trash they start going on about how you have no idea of what you are talking about and the class is so OP. Then they go on to die over and over again, meanwhile blaming the team for their deaths. Seriously, learn to play another class or stop being so kitten ed stubborn about the class being trash in most player’s hands. /endrant

I hate getting thieves and warriors on my team, thief may not be tier 1, but a really good thief can be a great asset. I had a thief help me go on a 8 win streak and got me my legendary wings which was awesome. That being said, here are the bad things about thief and they’re pretty apparent

-They can’t 1v1 very well, even against a warrior they surprisingly struggle, playing them as the +1er is almost a must

-For every good thief, there are 10 bad ones. A good thief knows the limitations of the class, but were over saturated with a bunch of yolo thieves who think they can carry teams when they’re outclassed instead of just playing their strengths.

This is why thieves annoy me, it’s not an easy class to play right, especially not right now, your chances of getting a good one are usually pretty slim.

+1 to this

Thieves can be effective, but most thieves in ranked are not due to its unforgiving nature.

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Did I say at any point that only good players are in legendary? No I didn’t. I am only disagreeing with 2 of the points that you made in your post.

Read again. Your disagreeing made your entire argument invalid.

Sometimes I wonder if people really don’t think past their own experience.

I suggest you read my post again since you took it out of context. Feeding after losing a teamfight is irrelevant due to the fact that at that level of play, the match is usually lost at that point due to players not understanding how to comeback. I like how you completely ignored the second half of my post regarding the opening fight.

And you are basing your argument purely on people who complained about MMR hell on the forums, which in itself is a tiny percentage of forum posters when you look at the number of people who shot down those posts, even smaller when you consider that most people don’t post on the forums if they are happy with the game.

And your claim was that one person can always win a match on his own merits no matter his team. Or did you forget that part?

Everyone has to carry some part of the weight, did you forget the part where I said that every video that was posted about mmr hell so far showed that the poster was equally responsible for the lack of rotation?

Fivedawgs.4267:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

As for glicko, you can’t deny winstreaks and lsoing streaks are common, this isn’t some sort of conspiracy.

Yes and I have had large losing streaks followed by large win streaks multiple times this season. According to your logic, this is impossible because my MMR would be so screwed by the losing streak that I couldn’t possibly get a win streak right after.

Try something out – go find a random number generator and generate random numbers between 0 and 1 and look at the large streaks that you can get just from randomness. Must be conspiracy right?

Except this isn’t a case of 1s and 0s.

You can look at recurring teammates with and against you, same people for many games on end that very rarely swap to your side or vice versa, you can look at score disparity in these streaks are rare anywhere near 250 to 500.

Comparing apples to donkeys really is pointless.

Except that it’s mostly a mentality problem. Every single video that has been posted on the forums claiming “mmr hell” had been completely shot down as a winnable game if the poster had actually put a reasonable level of thought into it. Show me a video pf 3 consecutive games that you lost and were unwinnable (afks and dcs don’t count because the system can’t predict these).

Let me just cut you there, I can show you any video of a loss by the abjured or any other pro Esl team, you know what?? We will find a mistake. True afker and dcer don’t count, what count is the you could be facing 1 vs 10 or 5 vs 5 or 10 vs 1.

So folks who are crying about MMR hell have every right to do so.

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Are you saying that every team makes game-changing mistakes? Because then you’re agreeing with me that most of the games are winnable. Or are you trying to compare esl matches that have nothing to do with matchmaking?

Far from it, my point being if mistakes are what you’re looking for; you will find them.

And in soloq where voice communication doesn’t exist and people don’t know each other, mistakes are far more likely to happen.

Anyway, my original point was that everyone who has posted a video on the forums relating to MMR hell has been shown that the match was winnable if they made better rotational decisions. If they can’t make these decisions, then they don’t belong in higher divisions and the system is working as intended.

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Did I say at any point that only good players are in legendary? No I didn’t. I am only disagreeing with 2 of the points that you made in your post.

Read again. Your disagreeing made your entire argument invalid.

Sometimes I wonder if people really don’t think past their own experience.

I suggest you read my post again since you took it out of context. Feeding after losing a teamfight is irrelevant due to the fact that at that level of play, the match is usually lost at that point due to players not understanding how to comeback. I like how you completely ignored the second half of my post regarding the opening fight.

And you are basing your argument purely on people who complained about MMR hell on the forums, which in itself is a tiny percentage of forum posters when you look at the number of people who shot down those posts, even smaller when you consider that most people don’t post on the forums if they are happy with the game.

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

This only happens at low levels of play where both teams are going to be clueless about rotation.

I see this from legendary players, because once again. Skill =/= league.

So I gave you an example and you dismiss it as irrelevant because low level play? LOL do you not realize how bad that is?

Did I say at any point that only good players are in legendary? No I didn’t. I am only disagreeing with 2 of the points that you made in your post.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

As for glicko, you can’t deny winstreaks and lsoing streaks are common, this isn’t some sort of conspiracy.

Yes and I have had large losing streaks followed by large win streaks multiple times this season. According to your logic, this is impossible because my MMR would be so screwed by the losing streak that I couldn’t possibly get a win streak right after.

Try something out – go find a random number generator and generate random numbers between 0 and 1 and look at the large streaks that you can get just from randomness. Must be conspiracy right?

Except this isn’t a case of 1s and 0s.

You can look at recurring teammates with and against you, same people for many games on end that very rarely swap to your side or vice versa, you can look at score disparity in these streaks are rare anywhere near 250 to 500.

Comparing apples to donkeys really is pointless.

Except that it’s mostly a mentality problem. Every single video that has been posted on the forums claiming “mmr hell” had been completely shot down as a winnable game if the poster had actually put a reasonable level of thought into it. Show me a video pf 3 consecutive games that you lost and were unwinnable (afks and dcs don’t count because the system can’t predict these).

Let me just cut you there, I can show you any video of a loss by the abjured or any other pro Esl team, you know what?? We will find a mistake. True afker and dcer don’t count, what count is the you could be facing 1 vs 10 or 5 vs 5 or 10 vs 1.

So folks who are crying about MMR hell have every right to do so.

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make here. Are you saying that every team makes game-changing mistakes? Because then you’re agreeing with me that most of the games are winnable. Or are you trying to compare esl matches that have nothing to do with matchmaking?

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Except that it’s mostly a mentality problem. Every single video that has been posted on the forums claiming “mmr hell” had been completely shot down as a winnable game if the poster had actually put a reasonable level of thought into it. Show me a video pf 3 consecutive games that you lost and were unwinnable (afks and dcs don’t count because the system can’t predict these).

Other than this being extremely hard to believe! Ill play along.

The simplest example would be that your team losing first teamfight and commence running in 1 by 1.

There is nothing an individual player can do in a situation where the moment you spawn the previous person that spawn is already running to their death in a 3 or 2v1.
You are essentially hoping your enemy overextends in cases like these to create equal fights again. Its not winnable on you as an individual.

Sure you can wait for next spawn and go in with 2, but where assuming enemy has far and mid. Lets say they are split 2/3, you go far, you are still hoping your enemy makes a mistake and does not rotate. Or you go mid and its the same story, you hope the enemy does not rotate to create 4v2.

This only happens at low levels of play where both teams are going to be clueless about rotation. At this level, people don’t know how to come back from a losing situation, so the game is determined by the first team fight. This is all just theory though, would still need to see consecutive games where the opener was impossible. You will obviously get these occasionally purely due to chance that multiple players made a significant mistake that they would not usually make (you will know plenty of times that this happened to you), but at lower levels of play this destroys the entire match, which is why I ask for consecutive games.

Darknicrofia.2604:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Wolfric.9380:

A good thief on the right map is great. (Please don´t use thief on foefire …).
Bad or average thiefs that insist playing it on foefire or don´t care for their team bring the bad press to the class.

Please explain why thief on foefire is bad?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-m4WQVV7Gk

foefire has very little cover and a ranged class standing on ledge can guard 2 nodes at once and can see a thief coming from a mile away.

and since the rush distance between spawn and the nodes are so far away, it gives just about every class defending home enough time to respond to a thief before the thief can decap.

And what ranged classes are currently meta? The current meta ranged classes are all more effective when they don’t camp at max range for the whole fight (mesmer, dh). In this case, you either wait for then to jump down or let them to stand there and be less effective while your team is operating at full effectiveness.

Ranged classes that are fully effective at max range aren’t common because they have to constantly work around the reflect/projectile hate spam.

Novuake.2691:

Random Weird Guy.3528:

Novuake.2691:

As for glicko, you can’t deny winstreaks and lsoing streaks are common, this isn’t some sort of conspiracy.

Yes and I have had large losing streaks followed by large win streaks multiple times this season. According to your logic, this is impossible because my MMR would be so screwed by the losing streak that I couldn’t possibly get a win streak right after.

Try something out – go find a random number generator and generate random numbers between 0 and 1 and look at the large streaks that you can get just from randomness. Must be conspiracy right?

Except this isn’t a case of 1s and 0s.

You can look at recurring teammates with and against you, same people for many games on end that very rarely swap to your side or vice versa, you can look at score disparity in these streaks are rare anywhere near 250 to 500.

Comparing apples to donkeys really is pointless.

Except that it’s mostly a mentality problem. Every single video that has been posted on the forums claiming “mmr hell” had been completely shot down as a winnable game if the poster had actually put a reasonable level of thought into it. Show me a video pf 3 consecutive games that you lost and were unwinnable (afks and dcs don’t count because the system can’t predict these).