As for no ESL guys having a good win/loss ratio in soloq, did you even look at the soloq leaderboard before the change? Let’s take Sizer for example, he had a 66% win/loss ratio before the leaderboard change and spent a fair amount of time at #1: http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/historyPlayer/Sizer2654
quite honestly I don’t even know much about pvp or scoreboard.
But is he still able to do it now? Or if there is even data that he is still able to do it now after the changes.
No he’s not, that’s the issue. He doesn’t spend 12 hours every day playing ranked queue like all these people in the top 10.
of course I understand that.
I mean can he still solo queue and have an above average win ratio right now after his MMR have settled.
Impossible for us to tell now since there isn’t a seperate soloq leaderboard and obviously he queues with a team a lot.
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As for no ESL guys having a good win/loss ratio in soloq, did you even look at the soloq leaderboard before the change? Let’s take Sizer for example, he had a 66% win/loss ratio before the leaderboard change and spent a fair amount of time at #1: http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/historyPlayer/Sizer2654
quite honestly I don’t even know much about pvp or scoreboard.
But is he still able to do it now? Or if there is even data that he is still able to do it now after the changes.
No he’s not, that’s the issue. He doesn’t spend 12 hours every day playing ranked queue like all these people in the top 10.
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All because someone is great at team play with a practices team doesn’t mean they are so hot in solo ques with all the unknown elements – just a thought.
This problem is already solved by having soloq and teamq merged and has absolutely no relevance to this discussion.
You bashed solo queuers. But I have yet heard of any ESL guys who can solo queue and have good win ratio, which suggests that they aren’t that good at soloq.
I’m a pretty terrible pvp players and I already think I’m getting handicape. Because almost all the matched the opponent have equal or slightly more team players. And my teams some times have stacking thiefs but my opponent almost never have that.
I can’t imagine all those all star teamq players trying to solo queue and get their butt kick because of unfair matches.
There might be people able to solo queue and wins alot of games at first because their MMR havn’t been set yet. But I love to see someone come out and claim they can solo queue and win consistently.
I wasn’t bashing soloqueuers, I was bashing soloqueuers that had a win/loss ratio below 50%, suggesting that they aren’t particularly good at soloq.
As for no ESL guys having a good win/loss ratio in soloq, did you even look at the soloq leaderboard before the change? Let’s take Sizer for example, he had a 66% win/loss ratio before the leaderboard change and spent a fair amount of time at #1: http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/historyPlayer/Sizer2654
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I think there is a big difference here between MMR and win ratio.
Win ratio cannot be easily relied on as they may have been with bad teams or impossible odd matches (eg one high MMR with 4 low MMR)- expected win -5% vs a team full of high MMR.
Not sure if MMR is a good indicator either for a leaderboard as it can also be tanked.
Farming MMR doesn’t work. If you farmed MMR to a high level, you would end up constantly meeting high ranked teams and losing to them, making your MMR drop back down.
All because someone is great at team play with a practices team doesn’t mean they are so hot in solo ques with all the unknown elements – just a thought.
This problem is already solved by having soloq and teamq merged and has absolutely no relevance to this discussion.
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Well let’s look at the “top players” in EU. I don’t see a single player in the top 20 who consistently wins first place in ESL tournaments.
Player at #1 PeiperBot.8643 who I’ve bumped into several times in soloq. He soloq’s as a turret engi, a build notorious for being easy to farm noobs with in soloq.
Player at #9 is Walgen.1693 who I have also bumped into in soloq. This person decided to rush lord when we were at 100 points and allowed the enemy to triple cap us for a good 2 minutes in order to “make up lost points”. He then called me a “noob legendary champ” for saying that capping points is better than rushing lord until you have 350 points.
Both of these people are soloq’ers with a win/loss ratio below 50%.
EDIT: Did a quick scan through the leaderboard and found Rom at 391. Considering that he’s in oRNG which is arguably the top team in EU currently, as well as having been in TCG during their massive streak and played in the WTS finals, he should probably slightly higher than 391…
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I only go to the pvp ‘dailies’ room to progress my reward track & to get my dailies done, so I don’t mess up any pro pvp player/s and their points/ranks/whatevers – trust me, I would never want to step foot into true pvp because only the elite/pro’s play there.
There’s definitely more than just pro players in arenas…
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Invis in gw2 doesnt really do anything besides let a player take a breather.
Warrior has Invul to damage/condis
Ele has many types of full Invuls
Ranger again and Invul
Mesmer/Thief can stealth/evade
Necro has 2 health pools
Engi has MANY tools/tricks, blocks/invul/invis (but all short and spread out)
Guard has many blocks and an Invul
IMO stealth is the least of the problems, Invul while doing damage imo is worst, a Warrior Poping 2 stances with take 0 damage and not able to add condis for 4-6sec While attacking you.
What does stealth do again??? Oh… lets you walk away and get 1 free unseen attack.. that still can be blocked/stop while you still get get hit……
Invulnerability usually have 40+ second cd.
Thief can stealth again very easily after a 4 second reveal.
And using initiative that could otherwise be used for dodging (if s/d) or blinding (if d/p) an attack.
Backstab cost 0 initiative.
And stealthing as d/p costs you 2 skills that both use initiative.
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Invis in gw2 doesnt really do anything besides let a player take a breather.
Warrior has Invul to damage/condis
Ele has many types of full Invuls
Ranger again and Invul
Mesmer/Thief can stealth/evade
Necro has 2 health pools
Engi has MANY tools/tricks, blocks/invul/invis (but all short and spread out)
Guard has many blocks and an Invul
IMO stealth is the least of the problems, Invul while doing damage imo is worst, a Warrior Poping 2 stances with take 0 damage and not able to add condis for 4-6sec While attacking you.
What does stealth do again??? Oh… lets you walk away and get 1 free unseen attack.. that still can be blocked/stop while you still get get hit……
Invulnerability usually have 40+ second cd.
Thief can stealth again very easily after a 4 second reveal.
And using initiative that could otherwise be used for dodging (if s/d) or blinding (if d/p) an attack.
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In a few months time, this guy will be posting in the PvP confessions thread “I used to think stealth was OP”.
In a few months time the PvP forum section will be flooded with “Stealth is OP” threads. PvP’ers don’t comprehend how annoying stealth is. When Stronghold comes out you will… you will…
It’s annoying, but that’s it. The extent of it’s power is to disengage and sneak past someone without them noticing. But that doesn’t make it OP, that’s merely a mechanic. Just that how blocking is a mechanic made for avoiding burst, which is obviously powerful but not OP. Or how immobilise allow you to land a burst (unless they block, lol), but that doesn’t make immobilise OP.
All these mechanics are powerful, but they are unique rather than OP.
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And im actually starting to think that lord is fine, maybe just buff the gates so that you have more time to get there and defend.
That wouldn’t really do anything. People usually prepare the lord rush earlier in the game by breaking down the gate so that there’s no “Your base is under attack” warning.
How about gates auto-repair after a few minutes then? Or a warning “The enemy is in your base” instead of the gate/lord is under atack?
Or make a repair kit spawn somewhere. Maybe next to the lord so you don’t have to risk a huge amount of time to repair it.
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Reward track progress is not tied to rank points in any way, and has its own balance between wins, losses, and the different arena types.
Reward track progress is linear, and the same for all tracks.
Potions give a fixed amount.
Awesome, thanks for sharing!
Knowing this, we can probably work out the rest on our own.
I have one more question – do bonus points (e.g. for top stats or autobalancing) count towards reward track progress at all?
No. But keep in mind celebration and birthday boosters increase reward track progress.
Wait what? I didn’t know this, there’s no tooltip that says anything about pvp tracks or rank points. Unless it’s been changed recently…
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You should really slot a stunbreaker. At least one. There are so many knockdowns and stuns in the game from all professions. Stunlock warriors, mesmers, thieves – it’s not just engineer. Slick shoes can be countered. You need positional awareness, and yes, a stunbreaker.
Don’t need comments from people who don’t have atleast 10 000 pvp games. Thx.
Aw crap, I guess I’m not qualified. Disregard, I guess.
Um you stunbreak it, and he runs back into you, you just wasted a stunbreaker and back down again.
Incorrect. Use a stunbreak in a better way please. Engineer is NOT OP at all. Slick shoes needs a buff if anything lol. It is a really bad skill.
Also, if the downed guy already used there knockdown or escape skill.
EASY finish.
That’s probably why they mad.
Downed guy couldn’t do jack squat to interrupt you because your teammates are aware, they pay attention. And there you are with mentality “I never do finishes, too bad if your downed and hes down, all I do is pew pew, or whatever necro autoattack is”.
Gotta be aware, people aren’t going to yell at you especially a lot of people if they know your getting thrown around, but if you have terrible awareness and don’t realize that the downed enemy used his escape/knockdown and you don’t take advantage of the scenario. YYYYUP gonna call ya a newb. I’m gonna get kittened, because like you said, multiple people yelled at you so I’m assuming teamfight.
Which I die, I respawn, the other guy dies he respawns 10 seconds or so later, YOU die because they woop your kitten next, you respawn like 20 seconds or so later.
What is that????
Out of rotation, now your team is kittened for a long time till you can make something happen and most of times, aint nothing gonna save ya. The enemy is just going to take advantage of the 3v1 3v2 4v1 4v2 of your teammates running into them or trying to decap an open node and then they see you… Yup 2v1 time on you, your teammate tries to help… Ohhhh too late, hes next. YYYYUP still outta rotation.
All those other mistakes after your initial mistake doesn’t really matter, YOU caused the out of rotation. YOUR gonna get yelled at.
None of what you just said was in any way relevant to the posts you quoted. What the..
None of what this guy says ever has relevance to anything.
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And im actually starting to think that lord is fine, maybe just buff the gates so that you have more time to get there and defend.
That wouldn’t really do anything. People usually prepare the lord rush earlier in the game by breaking down the gate so that there’s no “Your base is under attack” warning.
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How about remove the trash adds and buff the lord?
How’s this for an NPC revamp:
2 archers at each gate that attack people who are attacking the gate.
2 warriors next to the lord that use hammer for ccs.
1 bodyguard next to the lord, like in GW1 GvG, which uses boons and heals on the lord.
All NPCs have a down state and can res other NPCs.
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What on earth? As people have already pointed out, invulns are 10x more annoying than stealth, since you can still kill someone who is stealthed just by playing smart.
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Only class that shouldn’t be holding is a thief, that really shouldn’t hold a point is a thief because they rely too much on invisibility and therefore bad at preventing others from decapping.
What the heck. S/D thieves rely on stealth to survive? Lets just forget about all the evade spam they have. There was one time in WTS where toker was holding a point alone 1v2 without stealthing or leaving the point.
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I would rather have 4v5s every few matches than have to sit and do nothing in between Qs. I think most people would agree.
Not sure about this. At least with a long queue you can still tab out and do something else while you wait for the GW2 icon to flash without being dishonoured like you would if you did that in a 4v5.
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This is bullkitten – you’re oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of no longer adding anything useful to the discussion. <3 from reddit :P
Eh? I was asking for more clarification because the most common complaint didn’t fit with the data.
The dude is obviously trolling. Remember you’re only collecting reports of bad matchups to improve your algorithm. You don’t actually need to debate or justify it to people who are just whining and are making spurious complaints without actually having had bad matchups.
So basically 95% of people who whine on the forums?
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
We actually do WAY LESS damage from the beta (2x quickness, critical damage really high, no nerf hammer on everything)
Just like in GW1, guild lord is weak on purpose. They want you to spend people to “defend” the thing. If you only defend it AFTER they reach the home base, then you’re doing it wrong. In GW1, if you let your opponent reach the guild boss so easily, you’re pretty much lost anyway. At least lord is hard to solo thanks to all the adds around, and it has reduced damage against direct damage.
This.
In GW1 people could solo the lord… and that was 8v8 so 1 person is a smaller percentage of the team than in a 5v5.
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because Consume Conditions removes all condis so it’s clearly unfair for engies.
You mean like how a thief’s superior gap closing ability is clearly unfair to mesmers. Or how a DPS guardian’s high burst and blocks/invuln is clearly unfair to thieves. Or how a d/d ele’s sustain is clearly unfair to DPS guardians. Or how a mesmer’s superior boon removal and ability to continuously kite while attacking at range is clearly unfair to d/d eles.
Or maybe it’s called a “counter” and adds a dimension of tactics to the game.
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I’ve recently palyed with 2 friends who never touched PvP and one of them came to the game after months of inactivity. We were able to cheese out way through pretty much every team with all the CC, turrets, crates, etc. It was disgusting to say the least.
By disgusting I mean people who suck against this condi, cc, damage overload. I mean it’s not like others can’t outplay that if they’re good since the game’s balanced and engie=any other class.
If anything I can confirm that the healing turret has too high of a cooldown which should be lowered with a possible addition of initial condi removal, because Consume Conditions removes all condis so it’s clearly unfair for engies.
If you give engis more condition removal, then engis become even harder than they already are to counter…
Putting healing turret on shorter cooldown would also be buffing their already high level of sustain.
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About 7-8 hours ago I play against full premade turret engis on Courtyard. In my team only 2 guys were in the party. It’s little unfair
That sounds like an easy match up to me, just wait for them to pop turrets then back out and force them to fight away from their turrets. There’s no point to cap, so you can fight wherever you want.
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Everything seems OP when you first start, because you don’t completely understand how they function and/or how to counter them (hence why there is literally a thread for every class complaining that it’s OP).
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Who thought it was a good idea to allow everyone to disappear at will and having to annoyingly re target everything? Allowing these particular people to always have opening strikes and having a huge advantage anytime they want and me having to wait till they reappear to have to re target them over and over every god kitten second?
And that turret doe…
#justbeginnerthings
But seriously though, everything that you just mentioned becomes the least of your worries once you pass a certain skill/experience level.
For example, mindlessly spamming stealth at high levels is a complete waste of initiative.
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Ever since the balance patch, I’ve been going through long periods (1-6 hours) of rubberbanding around everywhere. The same thing happened when the last massive balance patch happened.
It’s not necessarily during peak times as well, there was one day where I had the lag all afternoon until 7pm when it stopped.
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“We now send players to Heart of the Mists when you queue for a match to make everything uniform and make sure everyone got the match prompt as in other areas you could be stuck in a cinematic or stuck in a load screen.”
It’s around 18:30/19:00 that they start discussing it…
Solution: Switching zones removes you from the queue. Also, you can’t queue while in an instance. That way you can still sit around in Lion’s Arch crafting or using the toilet.
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Actually kinda interesting to see what kind of chaos my team was causing from their point of view. 2:29:15 – “We’ve got no chance of capping mid”, “Not when they need 2 heavies to fight over a thief!”. Made me chuckle. Also, seeing their guardian running home because he thought I was going there.
How else are you going to get viewers by yourself? I know it can be annoying but most of the time when a streamer is just starting advertising in game is the most ideal way to get viewers.
I’d like to see if this actually works. If anything, it comes across as basically saying “we’re pro, watch our stream to see some pro action”. His choice of character name doesn’t exactly help the situation either.
When I watch a person’s stream, it’s to watch someone who has already established a reputation as one of the best players of their class so that I can possibly learn from it. Not some random person in arenas who thinks they’re good.
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Most of them acquired their title through rank farming, and even when they didn’t, it doesn’t show anything, really. I killed “Legendary Champions” with only one weapon lots of times, so it’s not like their opinion is worth more than anyone else’s ^^
What on earth? It’s not even possible to rank farm your way to 80 anymore because of the rank gain cap from custom arenas. It’s not like it takes long to get rank 80 from playing normally anyway.
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In a game of ranked solo. The battletag wasn’t one of the main members, but the guild name was 100% accurate.
Total chode and couldn’t play that turret engi to save their life.
Why do you blank out your name? The forum gives us your username… :P
Also what was the actual guild name? The real 55hp monks is Fifty Five Hp Monks [ELE].
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Why do people do this? Especially people who aren’t even that good.
I just had a match where one of the enemy team advertised their stream right at the start of the match. My team (2 premades + 3 pugs, I was a pug) then proceeded to beat their team of 4 premades + 1 pug. The guy who advertised their stream was the first to quit the game when it ended.
As an aside, this was the first game I had while soloq’ing that reached the end of the timer.
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Smart dudes here saying “just kill the turrets”. Some turrets have 30k HP, heal, and can’t be crit, pushback when they die. Some classes just can’t kill those turrets, and while the engy hides in it, can’t kill him either.
I don’t say it’s OP, the problem is that the counter to engy turrets is pure teamplay : you just need to leave the point. I don’t think that it’s healthy for the game to have such a heavy influence on a match in the hands on a -let’s face it- completely kittened build.
30k hp, what on earth? The only turret worth killing is the rocket turret and that has 7k hp. Even thumper doesn’t have anything near 30k hp.
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Just because you played a thousand games and won only 100 of them, doesn’t mean your going to be top of the leaderboard when a bunch of other people played 300 games and won 175 of them.
That’s all the problem actually, it looks like players with 100 wins and 500 loses would be at the same rank spot( if not higher) as someone with 95 wins and 10 loses. If you check leaderboards, you will see than, in average, number of points = number of wins.
You know, i saw several times #1 with 1 win and 4 loses, ending up with no negative points. From this simple exemple, you see there’s a problem somewhere…
I still think it would be helpful having the statistics when the match begins/ends, to understand better…
Right, but I think the leaderboard is the way it is because there is just no way to determine who should deserve it.
Also win/rate doesn’t matter. If anyone solo queuing have an absurdly high/loss rate, it just means match making isn’t doing a good job. Since ideally everyone solo queuing should have 50% win rate. Since that’s what the match making system is suppose to do.
I understand many pvp team are upset they aren’t able to be at top of the ladders. I hope the expansion and new game mode will solve their problem.
But if matchmaking was always spot-on, we would still have an issue with the leaderboards. Picture this scenario:
Top team gets matched against other top teams and win 50% of their matches.
Noob team gets matched against other noob teams and win 50% of their matches.
If both teams have played the same number of matches, they would both be at the same position on the leaderboard with the same number of points.
Wait… what? Isn’t a leaderboard supposed to show where a player stands in terms of skill level in relation to other players?
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I have been verbally abused every single day that I’ve been playing that ranger. I never received so much harassment on my warrior, engineer, or mesmer. It’ll happen at least once and up to five times per day that I’m doing spvp. I’ve had to report so many people over the past week. What I find interesting is that it is often coming from players who have the Legendary Champion title.
Elitist acting elitist. Report and Block. Although I’ve never received any abuse for being a ranger on the EU servers though. I have been abused for trying to cap, trying to defend, for ressing, for stomping when outnumbered, being outnumbered etc. you know lately I’ve just been putting my guild chat on and ignoring map and team chat. That tends to work for me.
The problem is when you get a team of genuine people who want to form a solid strategy, but two members don’t respond because they have team chat off. Block all you want, but turning off team chat isn’t always best.
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Since I assume you are queuing solo, you want to start with warrior/ele/engineer. These are extremely versatile and fill multiple roles, making them ideal for soloq when you have no idea what team comp you’ll get. They are also faster to pick up than the likes of thief, which takes a fair amount of practice before you can be effective in soloq (can’t hold a point so you have to be sure you can be effective in other ways).
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Confession #1:
My block list is so long that I may as well have turned off chat completely. 90% of my matches appear to be dead silent.
Confession #2:
I usually feel like I’ve done a good deed when someone proceeds to rage whisper + block me after I stomp their meta build with a totally troll/non-viable build.
Confession #3:
Every time my random soloQ team sees me with a 5 signet warrior/4 signet ele/guardian/necro/thief and 3 signet ranger, sporting my rabbit finisher, I know they’re secretly freaking out. We win anyway. It’s okay guys. We can do it.
Confession #4:
When I play thief, I often use Shadow Trap to guard home. Just because no one is visibly guarding it doesn’t mean that I am not behind you in stealth with 10 stacks of might + fury, despite just stomping your friend at mid.
These aren’t confessions, this is just you showing off >.>
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