Guild Wars 2

saxmachine.6024:

Ok I need to find some better commanders or zergs then because I do this and almost every zerg I join gets wiped. Surely it’s not because of me!

Join a WvW guild. Get on their comms. As the quality of your approach goes up, so will your level of satisfaction.

Daishi.6027:

It’s K guys it’s a buff! Now Mesmer dosent have the “I’m obviously the real mesmer” boon!!!

Oh wait… No one falls for clones.

What clones? One 3k auto attack melee swing from the enemy and they’re all dead.

saxmachine.6024:

I think I’ll have to try this build next time I punish my pc by zerging. Coming from PVE the hybrid phantasm build works for me with zerker trinkets, but any time I zerg I die (i’ve only been in one zerg that didn’t get continuously wiped) .

I gather from listening to old episodes of Mesmerised that the triforce build is better suited to a guild of mesmers. So time to try the Zerg mower. Any tips for a pve player? Don’t worry I’ll do eotm so I don’t bring down the server score.

Stay on your commander. Do this and you’ll soak up all the rally heals and condition clears.

EoTM is a lot more chaotic and undisciplined though. You’ll find better zergs on the BL’s.

You have to record the events and players involved. It helps to target and report the player for (anything) at the same time, as the video evidence will match up to the report taking place in said video (they can track who you reported via your account).

Then there’s an email you send it to at Anet. I don’t remember it, but someone here will.

goldenwing.8473:

Our goal was PPT.

The fights were what we enjoyed on the way.

The two are NOT mutually exclusive.

Except when they are.

The PPT game plays best by avoiding fights, and can be pursued without the latter. “Fights” are what make the game rich, and without them the game is little more than a rousing game of farmville. Without good fights, unless you’re some sort of sick number cruncher, there is no reason to play, and more reason to find other players in other games (or other servers) willing (or forced by design) to engage.

Prysin.8542:

This is about being a better COMMANDER option, not about general usefulness. If the necro excels at “Transiting in and out of bombing the enemy stack and focusing backliners” they will never work as a commander, as the commander needs to push into the stack.

Actually, that’s just one approach. In fact, sometimes the enemy’s tactic is something other than stacking.

SniffyCube.6107:

wtb mass blind lol

Sorry, Anet nerfed it.

RIP Dazzling Glamors, and Mesmer Glamor builds in general.

Im happy to wrack up high ppt if its conductive of fights.
Sadly the best ppt game is the one that avoids fights. Its counter intuitivev.

LetoII.3782:

So… you guessed.

It’s not a fixed number. On an EOTM map I’ve seen a commander count of 98.

Sir Arthur.8905:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Sir Arthur.8905:

Some of us worked really hard to complete the meta, as well as win our tier.

The relative amount of “hard work” that individual players put in had absolutely nothing to do with who won each league.

Two things. One, The rewards, which is what this thread was about, were ENTIRELY dependent on your individual “hard work” regardless if you won or not. Even if you won, you needed to complete the meta to receive rewards for it, and all the chests leading to that meta.

Two, if not for the massive amounts of “individuals” being in wvw to complete those metas, a lot of those servers, FA for example, would be as empty and loss prone as they are currently. Most of our people for example, were only in it for the achieves. As soon as the deadline came, pop. dropped. and we went from “undefeated” to always defeated…

Regardless of how the servers were “stacked” to win, you can’t pretend that the buildings just get up and fight for themselves. It took people to win, and at least in FA’s case TONS of those people were there just doing “individual hard work” of putting in time, grinding achievements, to get personal rewards, even when we were all zerged up and following coms around, it was a heathen army, not an organized legion.

I think the point is, My server came in third in our tier, but I personally put in 600,000% more work and effort than you ever did. So are you suggesting I be rewarded with 600,000% more rewards than you got? It seems to be the case.

Gibson.4036:

Sir Arthur, you are missing one very important difference between Season 1 and the new Tournament.

During season one, there was no competition for WvW. The upcoming Tournament, however, starts one week before a new game launches featuring three way, massive siege warfare.

Better loot, more easily obtained, is your enticement not to jump ship.

Yeah, and all you have to do is buy the game over and over every 4.5 months.

The one other thing, head to youtube and find some vids of mesmer play. Or go to the sticky build thread and in some of those builds linked you’ll find videos.

Also, help yourself out and use something like this so you can see it all cohesively.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/

Jski.6180:

So how would you know this because it sounds like you know nothing and are just saying things.

gtfo! :O

tmi, gg, hfttyl.

FreekPalmer.2839:

Poison isn’t that hard hitting as a condition, it does lower your heal, but that’s what tactical condi cleanse is for.

Real rich coming from an engi who can lay and blast his own waterfields. The condi meta is far from balanced and things like condi clearing broken for some classes over others.

The battle for PPT rages.

What’s worse do you reckon, 3 thieves and a mesmer, or a full map blob?

Actually, not to just throw another build at you but if you want to see a close quarter, highly aggressive, in your face mesmer using condi’s for CC, some damage, and still hitting hard with the likes of sword (also maintains 4 weapons), then this-

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Build-The-Holy-Hell-Build-s-solo-zerg/first#post3344899

It’s got plenty of vids, and if you want to go pistol you can always swap focus.

The 5s CD on blinding befuddlement is an absolute kitten kitten from Anet. Considering Thieves ability to spam blinds on demand with weapons, you’d think a heavily traited glamor based utility blind would offer more.

It’s a joke. You shouldn’t use it on principle.

Look, forget a fix. Just revert the change. There should be a backup somewhere.

Tokens should be awarded as per an hourly wage. That way we can really say it is like working a job.

Le Rooster.8715:

TheDevilWithinU.7092:

panicbutton.1053:

who are you? o.O

back to wvw

A respected member of the guild Tempest Wolves [TW]. He will surely be missed by all of us here.

Wish you the best in RL!

Then why not the SoR forums or TW forums, 99% of the people here don’t really care tbh.

I dont care that you dont care. Stop posting?

Zaoda.1653:

I don’t care who transferred over to another server, what I’m more annoyed about is the fact that SOR is running the show in EOTM because they seem to have a ton of WvW guilds – most likely bribed with $, and it isn’t fun when you’re a minority because then it just becomes a numbers game rather than an actual strategic, fun, and fair playing field.

Bribed with money by who, for what purpose? o.O

Craziest comment thus far in this entire thread.

Acknowledgment Anet?

1. Mesmer
2. Ele
3. Thief (just for their traps and related traits, dont really care about them otherwise)

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ross Biddle.2367:

The fights have been large scale, and epic. Now, go back to your drawing board and come up with a sound argument that works.

Argument still works and is more than valid: By your own admission SoR can’t hang with the PVdoor/ppt of JQ/BG, instead of “looking for fights” in T1 (IE: your blob can’t blob their blob), you chose to blob up and Float team blob. Still not satisfied with the PPT outlook, you blobbed up once again and went to EoTM and found blobby epic scale blob fights.

Also, related: When people make comments about SoR in EoTM, it is because we recognize the zerg/guild tags friend….It is not just random shots at a particular server…

Now go back to the delusional drawing board friend.

Yeah… see, my guild will run tagless and on a mandatory raid gets 25 max. So your math just isnt going to save you.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Ross Biddle.2367:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Bacardi Babe.4391:

One good thing about EOTM, you get to meet/play other players/guilds from other servers. That being said, SOR is not a server I would transfer to.

I have to agree….Not to be rude, but any server that tanks WvW to the extent they are then absolutely zergs down pugs (we keep seeing these zergball SoR guilds) in EoTM is not a “server that looks for fights”….Nor is it one I would ever want to be on.

That’s funny considering I’m SoR and have been fighting in EOTM, and the “getting zerged down” goes both ways on the map. The fights are constant, they’re fast, they’re furious, and all sides end up running back licking their wounds.

SoR is also just one server in the colllective of server in the EOTM. One or more of it’s guilds might go to the map, but if tagged up (and even if we don’t), the “pugs” of other servers rally along, and a lot of the time become the bags being farmed by our enemies.

Get over yourselves, seriously.

I am sorry your server is full of zergers that can’t hang with PPTgate and Jadescorey??? But the fact still remains SoR is putting blobs in EoTM to avoid putting the same blobs in their T1 zergfest matchup.

Its fine if your zergballs want “EZMODE”, but don’t act like they aren’t doing it kid.

Err, you’ve made an error in your thinking.

SoR doesnt have the manpower to generate full powered zergs in tier 1. BG and JQ do. Every SoR force is greatly outnumbered, and the best it can ever do is consolidate all forces onto a single map to create a float team who cannot hold everything while tirelessly hopping from map to map running to defend back capping PvDoor fests.

When SoR guild go to EOTM, they go their with no more numbers than they have available on the BL’s. Less in fact as the servers are overflows and split forces accordingly, filling up a map to their design. The same is happening for all other servers, creating a balanced number of players on each map (more or less). What’s being seen on the EOTM mists as “zergs” isnt an SoR zerg at all, rather a “red zerg” or “green zerg”. Notice BG’s tanking score this week? Where do you think those players from BG have gone? EOTM, duh, and there’s a hell of a lot more of them populating EOTM mists across the board than any number of Rallians. But you wouldnt notice because everytime I’ve been in EOTM, and number our side can generate, the enemy has been able to generate also.

The fights have been large scale, and epic. Now, go back to your drawing board and come up with a sound argument that works.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Bacardi Babe.4391:

One good thing about EOTM, you get to meet/play other players/guilds from other servers. That being said, SOR is not a server I would transfer to.

I have to agree….Not to be rude, but any server that tanks WvW to the extent they are then absolutely zergs down pugs (we keep seeing these zergball SoR guilds) in EoTM is not a “server that looks for fights”….Nor is it one I would ever want to be on.

That’s funny considering I’m SoR and have been fighting in EOTM, and the “getting zerged down” goes both ways on the map. The fights are constant, they’re fast, they’re furious, and all sides end up running back licking their wounds.

SoR is also just one server in the colllective of server in the EOTM. One or more of it’s guilds might go to the map, but if tagged up (and even if we don’t), the “pugs” of other servers rally along, and a lot of the time become the bags being farmed by our enemies.

Get over yourselves, seriously.

• Remove all +25% speed traits and signits.

• Increase all classes base speed by 25%

• Remove swiftness, or dramatically reduce all swiftness durations so they only give a tiny speed boost when used, making them more tactical and not perma for (most) classes.

Keep everyone moving at relatively the same speed. It’s better for the game.

Vespirisa.1497:

Doomdesire.9365:

jojojoon.8607:

LetoII.3782:

slayer.8175:

feel bad for SoR. hope you guys rebound soon.

Feel bad for them why? There might be a few people left who want to be in tier 1, but you have no idea at all how long we’ve beat our heads against coverage. Not to mention the lack of small groups, solo roaming and gvgs. T1 is about who zergs hardest the most, period.
If TC or SoS wants a go, they’re welcome to it. Personally I look forward to fighting SoR, they’re my kind of gamers allies OR opponents.

I have to disagree with your post somewhat. In a way, you are implying that SOR doesn’t want to be part of T1 because of the zerg fest. SOR has always been known to be the the blobbiest of the T1 servers and they have admitted to this. Map blobbing is the best way to win fights and SOR has a tendency to map blob at every chance they get. Breaking up into smaller groups to take multiple objectives at the same time is the best way to play the ppt game, and both JQ and BG have done this to an extent. SOR, on the other hand, has never done this. Instead, they have always try to out zerg the other 2 servers to try to win the fights.

I don’t understand. BG accuses SoR of neglecting pugs and running tagless(which we do) yet we’re still the blobbiest server? I think your perception is misguided. We aren’t the server that blobs…you are, with your commander tags and a million pugs.

Yesterday in EOTM. JINX ran a full map blob instead of running tagless and having a commander leading the pugs like we did.

How much PPT did he gain?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Ross Biddle.2367:

What I don’t like is that it doesnt proc for moving damage when, say, a warrior speeds away with a mobility skill (let it do 4x damage on mobility skills )

Isnt torment particularly nasty for thieves?

I’m guessing that’s because mobility skills usually have very short duration and so you’re not moving at the instant the torment damage calculation is made.

I’ve seen it tick mid movement skill.

• A community coordinator who’s role is to liaise between players and wvw devs. Talks openly and frequently on the forums, participating in threads or starting discussions at least once a week.

• More resources on WvW. Monthly updates instead of half-yearly. It’s shown to be possible with story content.

• Redesign of ruins. Instead of capture points for the bloodlust mechanic, keep them as open field cap points but introduce map wide Events that occur periodically on random, individual points. All teams would be drawn to the point for open field fighting, at which point some sort of victory condition would reward one team with a PPT bonus and supply/rewards.
  -Victory conditions could be things like standard point cap, or deathmatch point tally, or deathmatch point attrition etc.

• New matchup conditions. Left 4 Dead 2 introduced weekly alternative game modes for players to play. GW2 could mix things up week to week by adding/removing new gameplay elements.
  -Example: All keeps reward no ppt but come with instant tier 1 WP. PPT only ticks on the respective BL if all 4 towers on the map are held at the same time.
  -Example: No gates week. No gates on towers or keeps.

• Meta Capture/Defend events for Camps, Towers, and Keeps.
  -Anything can be captured at any time, but the map promotes certain targets for periods of time according to their difficulty. This is to draw attackers and defenders to key locations for to promote more player interaction (as opposed to PvDoor’ing).
  -Alternatively, make these Meta capture/defend events THE ONLY time players can cap locations. That way even a server with a minimum force has the players due to coverage to defend against servers who have more men to field more sieges in various locations at once.

That’s just a few to start with.

Azo.5860:

ty guys..

@Ross, how u play as this :S too laggy but watchable ty..

That’s sort of the point. I don’t record so I don’t have to deal with the major fps drops. But for the occasion, or for a particular clip of something, I can deal with it for a few minutes.

What I don’t like is that it doesnt proc for moving damage when, say, a warrior speeds away with a mobility skill (let it do 4x damage on mobility skills )

Isnt torment particularly nasty for thieves?

in EoTM you can make 1k badges in a few hours, so…. I don’t think they’ll go for it.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know that we’re working on another Collaborative Development initiative that we will be rolling out soon. So, start thinking about some things you would like to see in WvW, and watch out for the new thread!

- A

As per this quote from Allie, thought maybe we could get on with the chatter here to be productive.

• How about contested gates. So if a gate is being attacked, enemy players can’t run into the portal for that gate.

• Perhaps they can only if in stealth.

• Reason being this would mean a force coming to save a besieged tower/keep would be forced to rally outside the tower and engage in actual combat. Not just rush past the sieging force, drop/man siege, and avoid PvP. It also stops the free gate from being used as a means of escape, which is nothing more than a free invlun with no cooldown.

Mickz.8356:

Ross Biddle.2367:

You can play it but you’re moving yourself to the bottom of the food chain. Shatter builds are weak in the condi meta, as are high burst zerker builds in general. Thieves with all their stealth do the best with it, and they’ll use that to get rid of you quickly.

So, you may want to define whats ‘viable’.

Shatter builds are not weak. They are still more than viable, just gotta play it for a while and know when to burst etc.
Yeah its the condi meta, it does not mean that people have to change the way they spec just to beat it. Learn how to beat it with an old school spec and you wont have a problem in most situations. Its hard, but 100% do able.
Unless you come up against perplexity… Then gg.. cuz perplexity.

So I should bust out my old school confusion shatter build then?

Yeahno… :p

You can play it but you’re moving yourself to the bottom of the food chain. Shatter builds are weak in the condi meta, as are high burst zerker builds in general. Thieves with all their stealth do the best with it, and they’ll use that to get rid of you quickly.

So, you may want to define whats ‘viable’.

Ljiona.9142:

It isn’t that bad. I have played on EU servers and didn’t notice much lag. I know IRON played on SoR and never really complained. Just switch it up. Sometimes you play in NA other times you play in EU.

Unless you’re oceanic and end up adding an extra 150-300 ping traveling to europe instead of america. You guys will never get used to thinking about anyone other than yourself, will you? :p

BAEK.8561:

I read a post from a different topic where someone was saying how Choo also left. But nobody has mentioned that here, so I’m assuming false rumor?

Choo are still active in SoR TS, and fighting hard in EOTM atm I believe.

Bunda.2691:

iMoa. Problem solved.

Scepter 5 casts a Phantasmal Moa which pecks annoyingly at the target?

Isnt that what we’ve got now minus the correct animation?

I upload the odd zerg or guild raid based vid on youtube, you can scroll through to find em.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Butonfly

Trouble is the demands are very high for recording while playing in large combative situations. So I tend to just flag recording all together.

“PU” isnt a build, and a mesmer using mainhand sword, and iLeaping from stealth (traited or not) is a thing.

The best way for a player to deal with your (very real) issue is to main a mesmer from the start, and never try/play anything else. That way you’re blissfully ignorant of the inadequacies of the mesmer class, and you become uber strong dealing with the easy mode opponent classes being thrown constantly at you. Which isnt to say fighting them is in any way easy. It’s more difficult than anything, but you have to adapt, or reroll.

Ipea.2974:

Blackgate is currently in the not caring stage, we have farmed SoR and JQ’s doors for months…

Corrected that for you.

Reslinal.2359:

Karizee.8076:

Reslinal.2359:

Karizee.8076:

I really have to commend SoR for it’s show of solidarity. It’s amazing to be part of this <3

One more week in T1 and honestly I’m hoping we go all the way to T3 so we don’t have to deal with any T1 nonsense during the next Seasons. In the meantime EotM is the most amazing map ANet has added yet. Looking forward to the changes this will bring to WvW proper

Not showing up for a week or two alone won’t bring you down to T2 or T3 (in long term sense). You need to also shed some of your Oceanic/SEA guilds.

SoR do what SoR want. We have that history.

I remember last year when the shoe was on the other foot. We had a bit of a winning streak, fights were getting boring for us and demoralizing for our opponents. What did SoR do? We sent one of our biggest commanders over to the opposing server for a week, just so we could have some good fights.

Because face it, this is dull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKkK9S-IKQ

And EotM is an amazeballs breath of fresh air!!
https://vidd.me/I5a

Actually Indo and part of TW went to JQ that week because SoR was fighting two T2 servers. JQ was only fighting BG plus a T2 that week. So no you did not send your guild to the opposing server of the week:)

All I am saying is if your server detest staying in T1 so much and want to stay in lower tiers, shed some of your off-hour guilds, otherwise you will just dominate T2 and back to T1 in no time.

More to the point though, that Blackgate Come back video is what SoR experiences every day fighting BG and JQ.

Seigfried.5938:

geist.3980:

SoR is fine, no worries, we are all here working as hard as ever. heres a pic of our outstanding EB zerg capping overlook this morning

That picture brings a tear to my eye :’(. I was on SoS when it spiraled through the ranks. it is the last thing I would want to happen to any server.

A select few guilds decided it was better for SoR to drop a tier or two, but did you think every one on SoR agreed with you? From what I have read it seems the intention was to drop to tier 2, but this is a snowball effect. SoR might drop all the way down to tier 4.

But it won’t matter since the guilds, and general players, can play more than ever in EOTM.

Qaelyn.7612:

Sanduskel.1850:

we care about winning. we don’t care about taking objectives.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one. LOL.

Samhayn.2385:

Whole lotta telling people they are quitters because they don’t play they way you want them to play going on in this thread.

They’re being called quitters because they are quitters. It’s not about them playing the way someone else wants. It’s about them suddenly deciding they don’t want to play the way they played when they had matchups more favorable to them, and the way they will play again when they have more favorable matchups.

You don’t really think this “we prefer EotM playstyle” bullsquat will last more than 10 seconds after they get paired with weaker servers, do you?

The only question is: do those “weaker servers” engage SoR in the open field? If yes then SoR will be there. If no, SoR will go find forces who will. Why do you refuse to understand this?

Aaron.4807:

dwahvel.7356:

So every server not in t1 are pugs? lol
I can’t wait to fight t2/t3 guilds. Most of them don’t run with 20-40 pugs on them and they are willing to gvg/fight outside keeps/towers. Like a breath of fresh air. Couldn’t be any more healthy for us.

Do you really think EotM is filled with organized people. Do you seriously think that the lower tiers have anything CLOSE to the coordination that SoR has?

We have all been in EotM by now, we ALL know what it is. And to SoR it is just as much pveing as what you described, might as well go back to WoW.

I remember when GW2 was released and all WvW servers only contained pugs. Those pugs became militia server forces, and of course the guilds were created, fleshed out, and grew. We were all scrubs at one point, just like many in the EOTM are right now. But the pressure and competitive forces that oppose us force us to become masters of our game.

EOTM has competitive PvP taking place in it right now. Some are superior at it than others. Over time all will increase in skill and organization. Dedicated WvW guilds, and higher tier servers like SoR are having a positive impact on the PvP for all aspects.

SoR has long since mastered the WvW: PvP game, that’s why BG and JQ forces are cronic at falling back to towers outside of a full map blob when facing them. BG and JQ have long since mastered the WvW: PvDoor game, and good for them. It just means nothing to anyone interested in engaging other players, which EOTM more than caters for.

Facts are facts.

Mishka.9623:

Aaron.4807:

I have (had) been on SoR since the BWEs, I left SoR Wednesday and all I can say is all of the SoR in this thread are just in denial. SoR is dead, moving down tiers and getting destroyed there will put the final nails in it’s coffin.

NA was always SoR’s strength and pride and now it can’t even field 2 guilds. What is left now? TW? Choo? Who is leading? Indo? Green Arrow? Elds?

The leadership led the server astray and then when kitten got tough the leadership quit. You can see what happens when a server truly just plays “for the fights”, if kittening dies.

Fighting unorganized casuals from low tiers with your organized zergs is hardly a victory for SoR. I see the remnants of TW and Choo together pretty much every night in EotM. Do you think you are getting better? Fighting people that are not using TS and commanding pugs from different low level servers by chat?

You are all delusional and the party is over.

you couldn’t be more right.

I’m a day one Rallian, WvW every day, and he couldnt be more wrong. I have to assume he’s talking about himself though, so there must be something in there for him.

Xenesis.6389:

Balefire.7592:

I love your awesome back-handed insult that people who play EOTM are bads. I’m sure several T2 guilds who also enjoy EOTM would fully support that stance, right guys?

EOTM is also full of pve’ers, if that’s a challenge for you to play in there than against hardcore wvw players, heh do whatever to get your morale back up I guess. But it’s plain as sight, SOR wvw guilds are quitting on their server and going for the easy kills. SOR isn’t the only server that has faced greater odds, you’re not special in that regard.

And if a T2 server gets moved up due to our PPT decline, that’s not really our problem either. Should we be forced to play against BG and JQ repeatedly just because you don’t want to?

Awesome backhand there too. It’s not a T2 problem if you stay up in T1 either, so please stay and continue to get pummeled by BG and JQ repeatedly, because SOR stacked itself on the way to T1 too(even plucked guilds from SOS). Even with your population losses I don’t think any of the T2 can match Rall on population as yet, so why should any T2 server be moved up to take your place?

You guys have quit on your server, and have been trying to tank the entire server so that it loses the people you don’t need, and it drops from T1 just so you get the server in the image you want. Which is to be the for the fights server that will have at least T1.5 population coverage and maybe enough ppt guilds left to keep you on top of T2.

I feel sorry for the SOR server because a few wvw guilds have now destroyed the reputation of Rall, as being the underdog that didn’t give up and wouldn’t quit right down to the end. You could have just as easily transferred to FA or MAGs to fit your own playstyle, instead you want to plaster that mantra up and take the entire server down with you.

I feel for the Rallians who still want to win the PPT game. I’m sorry our guilds aren’t doing what you would like. But based on that same logic, you cannot fault us pursuing the gameplay experience we seek. The best I can do is recommend you start your own organized PPT guild, and/or take it up with key SoR WvW commanders.

You apologize, so that means there are players/guilds on Rall that don’t support what you are doing to the server, or the sales pitch you’ve been trying to sell since the season then? Why are you guys still on Rall? when you clearly don’t care about Rall. You have no server pride, in other areas such as sports they call that having no heart. I don’t know why any sane player would want to try and help Rall ppt after this, they’re not appreciated on there, they will only be there to help keep the server high enough so you guys continue to get your fights.

I think your problem is that you’re delusional with no idea about other people or the reality they live in, let alone the Rallian population (either those who left, or remain).