I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.
There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!
I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.
I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow
The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.
Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.
It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!
I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.
Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.
Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.
I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.
Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.
You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.
Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.
Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.
When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.
Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.
If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?
Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.
That’s my current situation, since you asked.
Class choice does something to do with it, some classes have better exploration/escape tools. The reason you hear its easy because some classes have an easier time but this also has something to do with builds and gear, so your having a hard time with engineer? Hmmm I cant say I have much experience with them but I do recommend grabbing some of the defensives in scrapper if you have not, have you tried going for more healing from turrets and stuff for yourself? My friend did it recently and made a good difference.
If your using bserker, try maurders gear since it trades off some very slight dps for vitality.
I am currently using Carrion stats (did use Beserkers before) on my armor. Would use Marauders, but I don’t have the gold or mats to make a full set, compounded by the fact I have low game time.
Do you run with a guild? Maybe they can help you achieve this, how much time do you really get? Carrion isnt bad but maybe condi isnt the way to go for this area, your likely going to need to spend sometime researching or asking in the engineer forums, you can also try reddit but it wont hurt to ask other engineers how they got through the content.
I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.
There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!
I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.
I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow
The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.
Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.
It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!
I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.
Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.
Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.
I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.
Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.
You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.
Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.
Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.
When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.
Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.
If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?
Only 80s I currently have are an Engi/Scrapper and an Ele/Tempest. However, only the Engi is far enough to actually do the HoT story; my Ele still has to redo (because for some reason I was pushed back to the beginning) of the Dry Top LS. Engineer/Scrapper is a very clunky class, IMO, so that would explain some of my struggle, but he is the only 80 I have right now who is that far in the story. I have one toon of each class but it takes me a long time to level up to 80 (don’t have a lot of free time to play, you see). However, class choice has nothing to do with the struggle I have with navigating even Verdant Brink, which many people claim is easy to explore. I also have to stay in HoT maps in order to level up the HoT-specific masteries, which makes it difficult.
That’s my current situation, since you asked.
Class choice does something to do with it, some classes have better exploration/escape tools. The reason you hear its easy because some classes have an easier time but this also has something to do with builds and gear, so your having a hard time with engineer? Hmmm I cant say I have much experience with them but I do recommend grabbing some of the defensives in scrapper if you have not, have you tried going for more healing from turrets and stuff for yourself? My friend did it recently and made a good difference.
And im kind of confused, are you saying you havent leveled your elite spec yet? If you havent, have you went to older maps to see if you can get more hero points from those maps?
If your using bserker, try maurders gear since it trades off some very slight dps for vitality.
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I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.
There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!
I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.
I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow
The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.
Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.
It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!
I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.
Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.
Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.
I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.
Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.
You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.
Using “instant level cap” for any first toon should be highly discouraged in any video game, as it doesn’t teach the player how to play. Especially since it gives some people the mindset that they can skip all of the low-level content. Not all, but I’m sure there are some out there.
Guess that my personal experiences can just be pushed aside just because I don’t fit the two big groups of people. Whatever.
When did I say your personal experience doesnt matter? All im saying is like what you just confirmed is I suspect many are using instant 80s and expecting the content to be all soloable and easy. Hot is meant to be challenging and more group encouraged, it doesnt mean you didnt have a hard time I dont get how your saying that but this is an mmorpg, hence the mmo part where your meant to group with others to get through challenging content, if you dont like those aspects I dont know what to tell you but it doesnt mean its bad design just because you may prefer something else.
Some classes arent as solo friendly in open world in general and will have some more issues, but its nothing new, I have played tons of mmorpgs with solo classes and group classes where you needed groups to progress, this mmorpg is far more forgiving when it comes to that.
If your having such a hard time though have you asked in game about builds? The metabattle.com builds are not meant for open world but you can get ideas from them. What classes are you having allot of issues with?
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I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.
There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!
I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.
I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow
The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.
Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.
It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!
I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.
Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.
Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.
I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.
Your first statement is quite a generalization. I had had a few 80s (deleted a few, of course), but took my current 80 which I had taken all the way through, got world completion before WvW was taken out, and completed the LS seasons. And yet I still struggle with HoT. In fact, when I got the 80 booster from a few months ago, I used it on my 80, as it would be boring to bring a toon instantly to 80.
You are one person, it isn’t a generalization because most people who I know that are vets dont have much of an issue with hot ajd understand some of it is meant for group content, and I said I suspect which is not an assumption. And I have met allot of new players who are using instant 80s with hardly any experience what so ever.
I am trying to figure out what “grindy” means in GW2 because being “casual” I don’t feel I have to play for days, months or years to reach certain highlights of content like some Korean based MMOs…. now those are grindy.
There are websites out there a-plenty that will guide you, tell you when timers start that open gates, LFG tool to get you there and a decent guild can help you along the way too!
I am a casual player and still think HoT is not that big of a challenge. Maps are rarely failing now that everyone knows what to do and I have not seen a full DS or AB map fail in quite some time. Sure if I cannot get to a main map I don’t stick around for the failure and the “You are all idiots” in the map chat.
I will say that some toons are kinda soft to be roaming HoT. My ranger can down some hefty mobs but recently I had a guardian that just dirt napped all the time in HoT map areas. Then again I only leveled it to get the asc bow for my ranger so I didn’t put much gold in her as she was terminated minutes after acquiring that bow
The new player is probably the only one who may have some issues transferring to HoT because he or she is under geared. OH WAIT..If you buy HoT you get a free boost to 80 with full gear and wep set. Not ideally for the cookie cutter build but plenty enough to keep you alive and hitting HPs to get that elite skill.
Also feel free to hit other HoT maps to get HPs that are easier and wait for maps to fill with HP trains for the harder ones.
It is my humble opinion that there are many paths to getting the job done in HoT and I just cannot say it is hard in the least. Time consuming? Maybe some like DS that can go on for over an hour and a half but hey it’s the reward and loot I am after and sometimes in MMOs you have to earn that stuff!
I suspect many who are having issues are the ones using the instant 80s which happen to be new players who never learned the game or their class, yet blame the content instead of he fact they skipped learning the other content and their class on a first playthrough.
Its on you if you don’t learn the game first, maybe after a few classes you can instant 80 and learn your class easy.
Also there are plenty of people helpful in map chat, but people will say go check out vids to and its a good suggestion, people want you to find some of it on your own to you know.
I always try to help with other peoples builds then I’ll guide them to some guides. Just remember we are players like you, we don’t male money to tell you every little thing that you can find on your own when you tell you where you can go.
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Hmmm I dont think bserker is required like other elites but I could be wrong, id say give ele a try, it has plenty of variety.
TY – but I am afraid ele is bit too squishy for me
So you want GS ? let see.
…TY
WAR is no go for me – really dislike elite spec, and played base WAR sooooooo much I simply need something different.
Reaper is my favorite now – tried it a lot now through weekend and it is fun – playing power with GS and Staff (for zerg events).
Druid as I have read has really low pwrsonal DPS – and as I am soloing a lot it is bit bummer (that is why I do not play my MES – which is char I really like otherwise)
Guard – yeah no speed no chance in my case.
Have not tried Herald yet – do not have empty slotbut overall combination of resource pool & recast timers does not appeal me much….
Guard is actually decent greatsword speed, pair it up with the bow and you can have allot of fun, although they will require you to level the elite spec, I recommend getting that first point in the elite and try it again, you can easily pull enemies and people into your bow traps with your greatsword pull ability, its allot of fun.
Warrior greatsword is awesome, have you tried it on asura lol? Also do you feel you have to use the elite spec?
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:)
My first char was Mesmer – at the start of GW2 actually… got it to 80 and still have a sweet spot for it.
Then there was WAR – played it a LOT. Unfortunately tried the Berserker elite and hated it…
Third 80 is Necro – hated it in vanilla, but like a Reaper – much better shroud.
Forth is Engi – hate kits. Do not want to play it.
Rest are lower level toons
Hmmm I dont think bserker is required like other elites but I could be wrong, id say give ele a try, it has plenty of variety.