Hmmm well im trying to get away from the burning stuff but thank you for the link!
I think there is some opportunity here: the single trait Fiery Wrath does not make this a burning build and the great traits you get in Radiance (since you’re taking it for DPS anyways) result in people using VoJ actively, hence the GM in DH traitline.
You can’t avoid burning your opponents on a Guardian; VoJ does not shut off. It would be weird to not pick up the extra damage you get from these two traits, especially considering the other two trait choices there are crap.
If I was going to throw a burning build at you, it would look like this:
Not sure exactly what you are looking for if you aren’t going to use all your tools for max damage. Do you want to completely AVOID anything burning? I think you’re going to have to give it a go yourself and let us know what you come up with; very few people are going to ignore the synergy between burning and DPS to suggest a NON-burning build for you.
Well I didnt say avoid it completely, but most of those traits are burning, what is so bad about retalation? Its a more defensive build but it still has decent dps. We have other tools then just burning to me thats like saying an ele can only use fire since its higher dps then other elements, maybe im missing something here as you probably know im still new and learning the game and im not trying to sound rude or anything I do appreciate the build advice also I completely missed the fact that purging flames burns enemies.
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To each his own I guess.
Not being rude or trolling, just wanted to say that If you think guard is boring, then it simply means that the class isn’t for you.I updated to thread:) I love the guardian ow.
I’m curious what kind of build & utilities are you using now that made Guardian fun again for you?
Well I was very low level and barely had one trait line so that probably speaks volumes, I was mostly using the burning spec, but now im experienmenting with a reflect damage spec but im only level 62. I have been using mostly the 1h sword/torch and greatsword.
Im not trying to be rude here but from my understanding heart of thornes was meant for group content in the first place, the content needs to lasts for one, for two its meant to be an mmorpg, for three it was meant to be challenging/rewarding. we can solo enough content in this game as it is, I get people like the option so solo. But it sounds like some people here want a single player game.
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To each his own I guess.
Not being rude or trolling, just wanted to say that If you think guard is boring, then it simply means that the class isn’t for you.
I updated to thread:) I love the guardian now.
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guardian/DH is fine, access to speed should be used by one or two classes, the issue is that there is to much passive speed from other classes.
I didnt realize dragon hunter has speed thank you.
whatever you do, go with mace. its a fine weapon.
Well ive mostly been using sword but its true what you say.
Hmmm well im trying to get away from the burning stuff but thank you for the link!
Other then burning dps builds, are there any? Im not interested in hearing anymore negativity about the class im very aware so please keep it out of this posts if you guys dont mind, im only interested in other builds in openworld pve and dungeons right now thanks all!
And yes I have the expansion as well:)
to me, it’s you. :-)
I find guardian/DH a lot of fun with a lot of tools to face any situation. As revenant I feel pigeonholed in 3 traitlines and AA.
It was just me im loving my guardian in solo and groups now.
Greatsword is an awesome weapon on Guardian. GET OVER HERE! ALL OF YOU! INTO MY CIRCLE OF PAIN!
I agree!:)
My guardian does not like necromancers and im coming for you all.
Better question in my mind is why are people so obsessed with raiding..
There are people that need to feel better than others, but aren’t actually good enough to play pvp with reasonable success. Raids let them sidestep that minor issue… but only as long as other players care. Thus, the main goal of raiders is to advertise raids as the elite content, and that anyone not doing raids is not a pro like they are. Bonus points for making raids as much unfun as possible, to decrease the chances of other people actually wanting to play it.
Lol you are so far from the truth it’s hilarious. So people that raid are bad at pvp is your argument? You do know that a lot of the raiders have the legendary pvp Backpeice which requires legendary and diamond (minimum).
Raiders raid because it’s fun content and more challenging than dungeons or fractals. You also get to interact with 5 other people so getting to know your fellow guild members. The final reason is the rewards.
There has never been a topic here were raiders have come on and said raids are our content. Yet every casual is making posts about how they want it to be their content.
Many people raid for gear, mats, and just for fun, yes elitism exists in raiding but it exists everywhere anyways, you just need to find a guild that does not have that kind of attitude towards raiding, in fact I recommend you join a guild that is just learning raiding and learn with them, it may be frustrating at first but it will teach you how to raid well. Atleast in my experience in other mmorpgs.
‘Having to learn the mechanics’. Raids in this game remind me of watching lab rats in a maze, where if they get it right they are rewarded (and uses about as much intelligence).
Give me large scale pvp fights any day, where at least some thinking is involved on the fly if you want to be any good, rather than a great ‘raid’ consisting of performing the scripted dance exactly as planned with no room for deviation or improvement.
The mechanics are acutally so kittening easy to learn.
The main idea behind raid bosses is:
1. Mechanics
2. Survive
3. DPSAdd to that some RNG (randomly targeted player), different team compositions and you will see that it’s not only about learning a “scripted dance”.
After all even PvP is scripted if you really want to. There are just a bit more variables to it.
Well im not 80 yet and literally waiting on my expansion, but I question this for raiding, because it hardly ever is that simple its more like crowd control, heals, buffs, dont aoe in certain areas, dont get agro in certain areas, tanking, utility, and dps.
its literally the most annoying thing about this game, i still dont have any option to specifically turn it off,why does the banker say MAY THE STARS GUIDE YOU every time someone talks to her???
if i made a thread on these forums every 5 seconds that just said MAY THE STARS GUIDE YOU anet would ban me, yet i have to hear them do it in game every 5 seconds, seriously nobody likes this, nobody will be sad if you change it
Whats wrong with that? Why does everything have to be dark and edgy with you kids today?
Yea after I hit level 37 just clicked with me and now im having lots of fun solo, im learning this class does take some real skill to play it right.
It just takes up upgrade slots.
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I really need to focus on one class, on one side I really enjoy the concept of my guardian but so far its kind of boring because most of guards abilities are meant for groups and I also feel the weapon choice is a bit limited compared to mesmer once you spec.
But with mesmer its really fun to solo but ive yet to try any grouping so I dont know if its just as fun in groups as a guardian or not.
Which do you prefer and why?
Just fyi my playstyle is versatile classes but im saving ele for last because ill probably get bored with the others.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
Well im considering just focusing on my mesmer but so far I dont do allot of movement and to be honest I really enjoy my classes to be mobile so im iffy about mesmer, I was looking for a spellsword type of class to play and it was between this one and guardian, but guardian so far has just been a dull experience soloing so far, my mesmer was really fun to solo with so far.
Anyways what are your opinions on mesmers mobility? Thank you.
For raids – go healer (Zealot / Magi / Clerikittenerally any of those) and don’t get more toughness than your tank. You are not there for DPS.
Unless you are with a premade group – they will tell you what they need.For other content – both Berserker and Viper are fine. Viper peaks at longer skirmishes (fractals), Berserker at swift zerging (dungeons).
That’s literally your choice.But you should definitely take Druid, Grace of the Land and Frost Spotter. That’s why groups want you.
Groups accept rangers to.
Well if rangers are getting into groups i dont see how thiefs arent.
Funny that you wrote this because I was thinking about playing my Guardian again and why I stopped playing it in the first place. Really what it came down to was really flat, boring, <insert anything else> weapon animations.
I like the animations but yea the skills are really meant for dps/support and it just feels flat when you are by yourself.
Can do they do decent range and melee? Is pistols better now? I know I hear in pvp they dont do so hot.
Just wanted to update because everyone is only reading the topic as I said below im really enjoying the guardian in solo and groups now, between getting more traits and learning the class more something just clicked and im having a great time, thank you for all your replies!:)
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I like how he clarified he was talking about skill flavor and not animations per se, and everyone continues to discuss animations.
Thats probably because there really isnt anything wrong with the flavor, the flavor does make sense for a ranger but as people are saying here some of us feel certain things are off.
Try putting in your LFG " NO SKIPPING NO RUSH" it should filter out a lot. I know I see them and I don’t join those
Thanks ill try that:)
Vote kick is there for a reason. If someone doesn’t fulfill your LFG requirements you have every right to boot them from your party.
The issue is people have to vote for it to happen, believe me I have tried but like I said its fine now, I dont mind if a few 80s are in as long as they dont rush past mobs like many do.
Eh, considering how the swords animations are now I’d rather they not touch Lb animations.
I dont know for some reason I just cant get into the longbow animations, I do enjoy the shortbow ones however.
0/10 – try harder!
No its a legitmate question I assure you. However its not much of an issue anymore as I learned there is a downscaling feature so it isnt that bad I guess, plus ive learned all caps in lfg descrbtion in a polite way helps allot more.
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This is way exaggerating.
The only place guardian feels underwhelming is in PvP. Even there, you can wreck newish players with traps and longbow.
In Raids, it is pretty good in both damage and support. In pug dungeons/fractals, it makes runs much easier and smoother.
In WvW, it is probably the best profession, capable of playing both frontline and backline.
Thanks for clearing this up.
PvP? No.
Raiding? No.
Dungeons? Does it really matter?
Well for raids they claim they are no more then buff bots now.
Anet in response for all guardians offered a free lvl 80 tome….lol.
Theres your guardian fix, as Anet hates that class so they try to ignore.
People joke about this alot but you know, that’s EXACTLY why we have access to multiple characters, leveling items, etc… Anet wants you to play the game. If that means making it easier for you to choose a profession you like, then it makes sense for them to allow it. Why? Because they KNOW they can’t deliver a class concept with the performance that all players want in that class. It’s not just Anet either … As far back as I can remember, most games allowed you to have multiple characters when there are classes involved; it’s an industry-wide approach.
I just want to understand how people want to play guardians? Im still leveling mind but I really like how unique and fast paced they feel compared to a typical tank class with heals and buffs.
Guardians are boon bots, if u stack other classes they have better performance.
Spirit weapons dont exist.
Mace shield builds dont work due low performance, and awfull traits.
Guardian stat envestiment it is another broken world (proved by the awfull quality of Anet at balance, as if they dont want the class to perform well).
Only viable option to fight is using traps, theres way to many bad players so they still work.I hear different, if that was even true I doubt there would be dps specced guardians like using the fire stuff and etc.
I only play WvW in this game, who cares about this kitten pve?
@Zantmar.5406, heralds, tempests, and all future gimmick elite specs of other classes that relly on boons.
Funny how no one specifies the game modes.
Can do everything a guardian does but better? Reading the forums on guardian everyone in there is saying this, and its quite discouraging.
In what game mode?
They are claiming pvp, raiding, dungeons and etc.
Seriously even when I advertise certain levels I get all these high levels, im not looking for an escort I play mmorpgs to group and have my class help in them not for someone to do it for me.
Anyways if there is any way or an lfg channel somewhere please tell me thank you.
So everyone is just on metas now? Thats crap, I dont want to be stuck with one build for raiding or something oh well thanks for the replies all.
Can do everything a guardian does but better? Reading the forums on guardian everyone in there is saying this, and its quite discouraging.
Anet in response for all guardians offered a free lvl 80 tome….lol.
Theres your guardian fix, as Anet hates that class so they try to ignore.
People joke about this alot but you know, that’s EXACTLY why we have access to multiple characters, leveling items, etc… Anet wants you to play the game. If that means making it easier for you to choose a profession you like, then it makes sense for them to allow it. Why? Because they KNOW they can’t deliver a class concept with the performance that all players want in that class. It’s not just Anet either … As far back as I can remember, most games allowed you to have multiple characters when there are classes involved; it’s an industry-wide approach.
I just want to understand how people want to play guardians? Im still leveling mind but I really like how unique and fast paced they feel compared to a typical tank class with heals and buffs.
Guardians are boon bots, if u stack other classes they have better performance.
Spirit weapons dont exist.
Mace shield builds dont work due low performance, and awfull traits.
Guardian stat envestiment it is another broken world (proved by the awfull quality of Anet at balance, as if they dont want the class to perform well).
Only viable option to fight is using traps, theres way to many bad players so they still work.
I hear different, if that was even true I doubt there would be dps specced guardians like using the fire stuff and etc.
With the recommended dungeon build I find that I have survivability issues when I’m trying to solo bosses, and especially in HoT.
Any tips? I’ve already tried changing my utility skills, its just a minor boost. I was thinking about changing out some gear for toughness, but it would cost a lot of damage.
Why not group?
Besides druids? I hear the dps is really bad now.
Eh my gripe isn’t so much the reductions to traps and bow.
Even with them guard is a good middle of the pack where builds over all the classes are concerned.
My gripe is
1: Everything the guardian can do is done better by another class (some even do many things the guard can do better for instance ele, engi and rev)
2: The only semi viable build for pvp is variations on med/traps as a middle of the pack build. Even then smart players counter it extremely easily because it has very little flexibility or depth.
Whats wrong with a jack of all trades class? Im pretty sure other classes cant do lots of stuff at the same time.
Anet in response for all guardians offered a free lvl 80 tome….lol.
Theres your guardian fix, as Anet hates that class so they try to ignore.
People joke about this alot but you know, that’s EXACTLY why we have access to multiple characters, leveling items, etc… Anet wants you to play the game. If that means making it easier for you to choose a profession you like, then it makes sense for them to allow it. Why? Because they KNOW they can’t deliver a class concept with the performance that all players want in that class. It’s not just Anet either … As far back as I can remember, most games allowed you to have multiple characters when there are classes involved; it’s an industry-wide approach.
I just want to understand how people want to play guardians? Im still leveling mind but I really like how unique and fast paced they feel compared to a typical tank class with heals and buffs.
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Fully traited LoW heals for a quality amount, even without dealing damage. Anti block techniques are being used much more often, and so Guardians have reason to gravitate to the extremely high healing (if its procced, which isn’t terribly difficult to do) Purification, and Litany for those quick, more difficult to interrupt heals.
Ive read over and over that while guards can heal they are more about neglecting damage then healing.
Funny enough I took this time to 80 a guardian. The only character I never made it to max level on. I’ve always really like the guardian, but leveling was slow. The change to retreat means getting perma-swifteness just got way easier.
I played guardian a bunch last season in pvp, and I’m finding it to still be viable for random games so far. It still has that feeling of being slow, but when you arrive you change fights. I wouldn’t be against many improvements to guardian’s less utilized utilities. There are a lot. Either way, looking forward to playing guardian, especially that they are no a bandwaggon class. I hate playing dime a dozen characters.
I agree on the not liking playing dime a dozen characters/classes, but the guardian is hardly slow, they are very mobile in combat with the right weapons plus you can get that awesome teleport utility ability where you explode blue fire on to the enemies, with zeal trait for extra damage to enemies on fire its amazing.
The fact that mesmers are still pretty fragile and easily killed indicates that they need whatever evades they can get.
They really are but once they are traited up atleast in pve they are a wrecking ball, skilled players can take out mesmers if they know what they are doing.
What if they changed some of the spirit weapons and make one of them spirit armor where the armor reflects damage or hurts when you do? Then instead of having them out until they die give them a timer and attack allot faster maybe with a few other attacks thorn in or a special fire explosion when they run out, or the explosion for the spirit weapons can be a trait instead.
I also still remember how said kind of people treated Rangers at the start of Gw2 with dungeons/groups
I understand that some people can be jerk, but it wouldn’t happen if Anet didn’t do a bad job at balancing their profession. Ranger and Necro used to be a joke in PvE and now they are both part of most raid party.
Rangers aren’t. Druids are. Those two are based around such dissimilar gameplay that they might as well be different classes completely.
Try to play a Ranger in raid and see how fast you will get kicked.
Thats why you play with open minded guilds there is more to the game then just meta, we have other tools in our classes.
Tease me with an awesome 2 handed dimensional hammer and you take it away!
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Well necro is out of the question if you dont like pets, if you have the expansion I think rev might fit that bill, warrior, engineer, mesmer, and guardian have a mix of range and melee, guardian or rev can probably survive the best but the guardian forums are flooding with how bad they are right now so I dont know if that will matter to you, I just dont know enough about them to give my own opinion if they really are doing poorly.
None of the classes I mentioned are simple, in fact far from it, but warrior may be the simpliest depending on how you play him or her.
You never mentioned if you have a prefrence of magic as rev is seems to be a darker magic with melee and guardian is just magic/melee nothing holy about it so take paladin out of your mind if thats what your thinking.
Yes I do have the expansion maybe i should give revenent a try.
Whats your opinion on theif?
And about magic, I am fine with/without magic doesn’t matter much for me as long as they have good enough skills for PvE.
Well recently thief got better according to the forums, pve wise I think they report doing well, and they are really fun to play but they do not have ranged to be honest, they have some ninja tricks with the shortbow but it isnt truly ranged, you did specify you wanted range and melee didnt you?
I dont think the rev has much range either but if you really think you can be melee give it a try, classes can level up fast so just try them out.
Ranger is probably the most balance of range.
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But its called a thief, anet is trying to do something different why cant it play more like a ninja then a classic fantasy rogue?