In before someone says; I enjoy all those things, because just to spite you, using nobody is generalisation and I loathe generalisation, Anet has limited resources, and maybe you need a break.
I think that is about what you’re going to expect.
Just because you don’t like his suggestions does not mean he needs a break and allot of these are minor tweaks dungeons do need a serious look.
While GW2’s (timer stuff) might not be as strenuous as those imposed in some other MMO’s, yes, that would be letting the game dictate what I do when…
What I find curious is that while core GW2 also has timed meta events, there’s one starting about every 15 minutes around the clock, so whenever someone logs in, s/he could do one if so inclined … In HoT, the zone meta comprises a much greater percentage of what there is to do than in core, and doing those metas often requires one to log in early and use the LFG work-around. That means that HoT is less friendly to drop-in gamers …
I’ve jumped through hoops in MMOs before too this is NOTHING like that. I only need to get on the full server if I absolutely want to do the meta. If I don’t care about the meta I just log in and play as I’ve said many times. There are still enough people in zones not doing the meta to do content.
On the other side of that coin, timers have been in this game for years, way before HOT ever was. So if you wanted to do the fire ele, how did you do it without using a timer? Or Tequatl? Or anything else?
You either used a timer, or you missed out….long before HOT had come along.
On that note, this is about mastery points, and there are very very very few mastery points specifically that I can’t get solo.
I’ll concede the mastery point thing, although there are some tied to meta events, which matter more if one also dislikes mini-games, but that’s also another topic.
Other than that, perhaps you did not read my post before you commented. I’ve culled out all but the relevant points, above.
But there are so many mastery points in the game, that you don’t need the ones tied to the meta events and seriously, you’re saying you can’t log in once to try a meta event once, because you’ve decided doing so is jumping through hoops?
I’ve done the AB meta more than a hundred times. The TD meta doesn’t succeed as often even though it’s actually easier, just less people know it.
Dragon Stand is one of my favorite meta’s in the game and the wait to start it is usually less than 5 minutes. I just don’t see the issue here…except perhaps people who don’t know what to do.
I have to disagree with you on this one. You usually make very valid points, even i can admit that even though ive done AB and DS meta events. I could of done them alot more and got all the mastery points and didnt want too.
I recently have become very busy and cant even log in every day and when i do i jump in to try and get 1-2 mastery points or WvW for 30 min and then i have to leave.
This person is calling themself the most casual of gamers. You cant ask them to watch for timers and sit around for a hour especially if they only have a hour to play and this meta event isnt what they want to do.
Your usual argument of this part of the game might not be for you could apply here, it just sucks since Anet was the casual MMO and after 4 years they come out with HOT and it really doesnt fall in line for alot of players.
The most casual gamer doesn’t need, nor should they expect to get 186 mastery levels. There are many many many points you can get without ever doing a meta. Ever.
There’s one in AB that requires gliding under three arches. There are many communes and strong boxes, there are tons of easy to get ones to get the masteries you need to play.
You can’t tailor an MMO for someone who doesn’t have time to play because then everyone who does will simply be bored and leave. There’s always a balance required.
You tailor an MMO for the middle ground.
Someone who refuses to go to a timer site, and refuses to go to LFG for whatever reason will get left behind and that’s okay.
Because your other option is to make only simply stuff and you lose a lot of other people. There’s no good way to balance it.
I think HoT, on launch, was horribly overtuned and I think it’s still a bit overturned, toward harder core players. I think Anet could have done more to make it more palatable to the most casual players.
But there are definitely people I know how don’t like core Tyria and love HoT because core Tyria is way too easy and those people are back playing again.
It’s always got to be somewhere in the middle and everyone’s middle is going to be different.
Well said.
Masteries per se were a great invention, if they hadn’t been so tightly locked to story progress in HoT. That ruined it for many, and calling people “lazy” because they have better things to do with their time than grinding XP and Mastery Points is quite impertinent. Furthermore, the fact that you won’t gain any more non-mastery XP unless you have all Masteries maxed is also an outrage, therefore I do understand people complaining about the status quo (even though Anet seems to have understood their own mistake and handled things better post-HoT).
P.S. I have all Masteries maxed, so you can’t say I was trying to “defend” a certain point of view because I was having trouble with the issue myself.
It does not ruin anything, it is all perspective, no mmorpg should he a cakewalk. If you want super easy there are always phone games. I understand why people are complaining but it does not justify it. They are far from being half as grind as other mmorpgs and if people do not wish to invest the effort and time they should not be playing an mmorpg at all.
Agreed, mastery were a great idea instead of increasing character lvls, that way new player won’t get left behind as new content comes out. most of the ppl who disagree are just lazy to work and get all the masteries, i don’t see any real negative things with this system
Exactly, if any team is going to think of the next advancement system for new content I pick a net.
I think people are confused, gw1 and 2 have always tried to find a good balance of pve and pvp game, gw1 was more of a pvp game then gw2 in my opinion because of the crazy amount of builds.
I do think gw2 did focus more on pve then pvp and more so then gw1 though.
Masteries is quite a unique feature in any mmorpg, I do not think I ever played an mmorpg to have something like this and it is quite clever solving the standard lets become a gear and stat treadmill of illusion, trust me these masteries are an amazing addition and we should be thanking anet for coming up with something so clever and unique that will hopefully give a better standard to mmorpgs in the future.
I have seen allot of complaints, but people do not realize they are trying to give you a good challenge/reward to give us incentive for the later content. Trust me it is far more fun then grinding for adding a new stat here and there.
Now if you want to compare it to something like the alternate advancement in eq2 well then that is indeed comparable since eq2 actually added new abilities to earn but in a way gw2 does as well with the elite skill.
Just my 2 cents, anet thank you, impressive job.
I would love to have more customization options, even better it it is tied to th Personal Story background.
That is a good idea, but probably better to be able to change them anytime.
Testing needs to be done in real settings not on test dummies though, the point here is condi and power are viable run what what you want just be effective, but I really think it comes down to flaws with the class, it needs a somewhat of a redesign, since they are already kind of jack of all trades they need to be able to offer something unique and more useful in raids for each one, they should bring the versatility more obvious for people where they believe revs are a great addition to the raid.
I think quite a few people play both GW2 and Elder Scrolls Online, or have played it previously.
I thought the personalities were an interesting idea at first, but I don’t use them myself. Well, I use the assassin one on one alt because I got it free and thought I might as well. I’ve tried to find a character to use the free Heroic one as well but it just looks silly and over-acted on all my characters.
It’s the same problem with all the others. I thought the scholar one would be perfect for my sorcerer, but it basically just means you’re holding an open book all the time, which looks a bit silly (especially when running).
But I can imagine role-players might like them. Especially if they did come with new emotes as I know several people have asked for new ones over the years.
I know tons who are quite happy with esos version, but they can easily do it different here. Tons of non roleplayers love the personalities
I do not know know if anyone has played eso but if you do then you know about personalities, basically they are different stances/walking, and running animations, for example commander, thief, duchess, and jester, I really think it would be cool to add these to the shop most of us would pay for something like that.
You also do special emotes on them. My favorite was fury.
Geology is not a real science.
Remember to stay in school folks!
Yeah, I choked on my tea when I read that.
No matter what religion or beliefs you have geology is still real atleast to an extent, science is flawed but its not that flawed wow, just wow I really hope that is a joke.
First of all, the current threads are overstating situation to the much greater degree than zerker panic then. Condi builds on average may be slightly better for many classes, but in no way is the difference as big as it was then.
Second, if you read carefully, you will see that those threads are mostly written by power-dps buils users that feel a bit threatened by the fact that the comparison between those two approaches is no longer as one-sided as it was before. In other words, they are written by people that were likely defending the zerker meta then.
Sooo, it’s like there were two different group of people complaining about two different things. Who would have thought something like that might happen.
The amount of people who put all their stock into test dummies is baffling.
Ten year old Susie Susie is unlikely to be accepted onto a team planning on participating in the Tour de France.
True but Susie may be a above average intelligent kid , or even a genius making Taimi look like a skritt, and she might get a grandmaster blindfold chess title at 10 as well… Luckily she does not have to cycle to get through raids, just think and push a few buttons in the right order, preferably while reacting on a visual stimulus…
Monkeys and dogs have been trained to do sequential tasks, reacting on triggers… even in outer space… maybe not in record time at first glance , but they’ll get it after decent reward and some practice. We will likely never go to space, but the other thing should be achievable…
Just another perspective…
Or you put way to much stock into kids, kids are kids regardless of how much smarter in certain areas they may be.
Again it is clear you were never the target audience for Raids, yet you want Raids to be changed because you don’t fit into the target audience, again you don’t have to group with the people running dps meters, you can even ask the group leader if they are even using Meters in the group before joining. Oh no but that’s logic.
If there is a “target audience” for raids, then why don’t they have a separate mastery track?
Because ANet did not plan Masteries with the idea that once all tracks had been maxed, XP would revert to a Spirit Shard reward on post-cap tick. They added that later, in response to player complaints, and once again either did not consider the ramifications for non-completionists, or because solutions that would either split Raid masteries from HOT ones — or allow XP to be allocated to a post-cap tick even if one had not finished all Mastery tracks were not trivial.
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Just what is hostility? Is it kicking people who join a group knowing they don’t meet the expectations of the people who started that group? Is it establishing requirements in the first place? Or is hostility rudeness and the use of pejoratives when telling people why they’re not welcome — or striking out at people who set requirements because someone thinks — and says — that that makes them horrible people?
My personal take is that setting and enforcing a requirement is neither hostile nor “toxic” (whatever that means). The whole point behind being able to join a group which has no requirements is to be able to complete content as one wants to. Well, the people who set requirements are doing that very thing.
Would it be nice if all groups just took everyone with no questions asked? Sure. It would also be nice if people who post requirements did not have to deal with people joining them and ignoring those requirements. Owning the game entitles one to attempt content. It does not mean others must accommodate you in doing so.
And to bring this back around to the topic, the meter is not at fault. The issues have been around long before the meter, and would not go away were the meter disallowed. The solution is obvious — if you don’t like the meter and the so-called elitist behavior you say it fosters, do what the so-called elitists do — start your own group. Say, “No meters, all welcome”. Then if people join and start talking meters, kick them. Why don’t people do this? It’s not convenient to do so.
Tons of people do not state the requirements though and get annoyed with peoples builds, what people need to state is viable builds but do not have to be meta if they are interested in that and so on.
Another thread that has turned to “i am pleb, raids too hard, struggle with difficulty, anet plz nerf, me wants leg armor, i paid for game so i wanna clear raids, i want to kill boss in nomads gear by pressing 1, i want a sandwhich, i want free LI’s,asc gear expensive, i skillclick because its my playstyle, rifle warrior best warrior, druid is crap anet gimme dps specialization, HoT is too hard pliz nerf, open tyria too hard plz nerf, dps golem too hard pliz nerf, toxic elitist kicked me from group cause celestial gear, dps meters are toxic, fractals are toxic, raids are toxic, dailies take too long,cant kill HoT HP’s cause i dont know anything about my class but it’s anet’s fault, i want story mode for LW cause its too hard, i want story mode for raids cause its too hard, this whole game is too hard, i cant find 5 more people, screw the group i play my way, im not entitled just dellusional, i cant lfg because i am a soloplayer in an MMO”
What? No, clearly we stated people should try for effective builds, there is viable and there is meta that is what you do not get, no one suggested we wanted easy mode, we want diversity, why do they have to think like you? Your proving the toxic crap right now by stereotyping people who want different playstyles when you really have no clue.
It is hypocritical for people like you to say we are entitled but somehow your entitled to complain about how others play and how they push it on others.
Well this thread is insulting to the extreme.
Some of us enjoy playing the optimization game. I don’t understand this mentality that having good performance in a game makes you a bad person.
I have not seen one person imply that.
Then you’ve missed all the passive aggressive hate being thrown towards people that “obsess over stats”
If you feel insulted by general comments that were not directed specifically at you, then you are the one applying those comments to yourself. No one else did it to YOU.
If you enjoy optimization and don’t feel that you obsess over stats, then clearly those comments are NOT about you.
Exactly. Passive agressive is way over used, do not use it if you really do not understand it, anything can be taken in a forum strangely you have no idea how people feel, the only thing I have seen is a concern for people pushing this attitude on everyone else, no one here said they have an issue with people who enjoy that style just keep it within your own guilds or recruit people and state you are only interested in meta groups.
Well this thread is insulting to the extreme.
Some of us enjoy playing the optimization game. I don’t understand this mentality that having good performance in a game makes you a bad person.
I have not seen one person imply that.
And people like you make me laugh, STATE YOUR REQUIRENMENTS FOR YOUR GROUPS BEFORE YOU INVITE ANYONE!!!! How hard is it to do that? It is your responsibility to state these things if you do not like people going off your meta attitude.
And I never did go off your recommendation lol you have no idea who I am or what I do in the game besides one forum post talking a little about the meta, your just upset because I never agreed with you, perhaps you should grow from it like an adult.
The irony here is your the one whining I am simply stating people may not want to play your way for those reasons, and you completely over reacted which is very telling.
I like the assumptions you made about me here. Good job!
Same to you good job!
There was Tocxicity and abuse before any meters ever existed and it was worse since it was based on arbitrary things, so prove that Dps meters brought Toxicity and Hostility into the game, you can’t because t was already here. So ty to say they cause it all you want it is not true.
I do not know I have noticed more since I rejoined the game your argument can easily be switched around and we can ask you to disapprove it.
New to guild wars 2. Been playing the last week leveling up a warrior through the main story line and base game. I was having a blast, great story line and fun interactions. I even enjoyed the new take on some of the quests and how you could do a quest a few different ways. Last night I gave Zhaitan a beat down and was hyped to jump into the next story line and expansion. I had NO problems at all through the main game.
Then today happened. I get into the new heart of thorns zones and right away the first thing that hit me is how GOD AWEFUL and annoying the layout and design of the zone was. this set a horrible tone. I get that it was trying to force the use of the glider and whatever bogus mushroom crap is in the game but it was FAR too forced. Its more annoying than its fun.
I start up my SOLO play story line. Let me say this again.. SOLO PLAY Story line. To find out that not only do the NPCs get absolutely annihilated leaving you alone to fight 15+ mobs, but you yourself get zerg gibbed in 2 seconds. Yes i dodged, Yes i tried to avoid everything. At some point you have to try and hit them and thats when you get gibbed.
After dying and grinding my way through a few solo missions and getting to the point where I had to defend the frog village only to once again have every single npc dead within seconds and dying over and over i gave up.
The SOLO PLAY story line is simply not designed properly. Its garbage. And thats it for me, I was COMPLETELY enjoying the game .. right up until the expansion. Solo play is just not balanced properly.
I always wondered why more people dont play this game. Now i know.
Hi there! Rpgs in general are meant to get more challenging and hot content is kind of meant to be grouped, sometimes it helps for solo stories to be grouped as well, but as others say you need to make sure you learn your profession, no mmorpg is not going to be easy mode all the way through because of no challenge/reward will get dull very quickly:)
Maybe we can help you, what profession are you playing?
you can summarise as follows:
Some people are arguing here that meters cause hostility.
Some people are defending meters by being hostile to anyone who says meters cause hostile behavior. The fact is many use meters and do not abuse others, unfortunately many do abuse others using data taking directly from meters. Remove the meters and learn to play well without its crutches and you remove a source of hostility.
Wish I could thumbs up posts here.
When you optimize to the point where your doing 3-5 times more DPS needed, to reliably beat a encounter. Then yes, your cheesing (i.e overpowering the enemy with overwhelming damage).
Please stop thinking in extremes. Its not either nomads or zerker. There are a lot of choices in between. You can still clear content in “decent” time without meta builds. Everything else isn’t useless or extremely inefficient. Hyperbole and emotional responses, is not a good way to get a point across.
You interpret that as cheesing…I interpret it as the content is too relaxed on DPS requirements.
But you just proved his point, he is trying to say that meta is subjective between over dpsing and doing it a little different.
I was actually really enjoying the game until the recent balance patch. Good bye power builds, hello boring passive condi.
It’s hard to enjoy something when that thing you enjoy continuously gets gutted.
What are you talking about? Power is still reported as viable.
That’s not the issue not everyone cares for skills just because they perform a little better. Maybe they don’t like playtyle or animations. You do not get to decide what other people play you do not get to control what’s acceptable.
I do if they want to join MY group.
People like you guys make me laugh from the illogical comments you make.
This has been recommended to you far too many times, and at this point you’re simply arguing and whining for the sake of arguing and whining.
MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS IF YOU CAN’T PULL YOUR OWN WEIGHT!!!
And people like you make me laugh, STATE YOUR REQUIRENMENTS FOR YOUR GROUPS BEFORE YOU INVITE ANYONE!!!! How hard is it to do that? It is your responsibility to state these things if you do not like people going off your meta attitude.
And I never did go off your recommendation lol you have no idea who I am or what I do in the game besides one forum post talking a little about the meta, your just upset because I never agreed with you, perhaps you should grow from it like an adult.
The irony here is your the one whining I am simply stating people may not want to play your way for those reasons, and you completely over reacted which is very telling.
Someone always trying to decide what the meta is and how things should work, it really comes down to ego and people pretending like they get to control what is meta.
That like to do events,
Active,
Fairly mature in the sense of non toxic attitudes and over sensitivity.
Like to use voice chat.
Like to group up and do things instead of soloing.
All different kinds of content.
And fairly laid back but not to much to a point where they do not boot people for being inactive.
Sorry if this sounds to demanding I am just picky about what kind of guilds I join thanks all!:)
No, I didn’t assume anything. I specifically stated unless you are talking about raids. And perhaps some people want meta in fractals but by no means is it everyone.
You can agree all you want but it does not Trump my experience with the game. I see tons telling about meta battle read map chat. For example someone will ask advice and people argue all the time because it is the meta and tell them that their build won’t be able to do endgame or tell them defensive stats are useless. Same goes for guilds and forums.
As I said, sure people talk about meta in chat. But that is individuals, not a cohesive “community”. There are also people in chat that say you don’t need meta unless you are raiding.
And again, it’s video game chat… O.o[/quote]
Actually you did assume but nice try. And then why are you even arguing with me? Your the one who presumed and jumped into a response that has nothing to do with what your talking about, yea some people do try to say do not use the meta but more try to push the meta or are just louder about it.
The original response was There’s no such thing as a “meta community” and absolutely no one who has publishes data on “best DPS” builds insists that there’s only one way to play. Trying to say it does not exist at all, but clearly you did not read it and just assumed, typical.
It’s sad we need to install third party programs to gain the information we should have in game. As for hostility and elitism, that exists whether there are DPS meters or not. There should be metrics for people to judge how well the members of a team are performing. If you can’t handle elitists and people being mean to you, perhaps you’re playing the wrong game.
^ case in point"if you aren’t playing my way or the way i like. you are playing the wrong game.. that is what the OP was talking about..that should not be the mentally of any mmo . i hate self-appointed elitist..i hated them in gws 1 ..and still don’t like that mind set. it huts the game, it hurts new players, it hurts creativity of builds and playing styles. that mind set will kill a game faster then anything else..
Well said!
Have you ever thought about improving your own skill instead of whining about someone else calling you out for not pulling your weight?
What about making your own groups instead of joining others if you cannot pull your own weight?
Also, ANet did not ‘okay’ gear check…only DPS. So, you should stop blaming others all the time and making excuses for yourself and just work on improving yourself.
That’s not the issue not everyone cares for skills just because they perform a little better. Maybe they don’t like playtyle or animations. You do not get to decide what other people play you do not get to control what’s acceptable.
I could not agree more, I think it has more to do with ego and the meta community acting like it has to go through them first to be acceptable.
There’s no such thing as a “meta community” and absolutely no one who has publishes data on “best DPS” builds insists that there’s only one way to play.
That’s like accusing the “fun police” of being against DPS meters — different people enjoy the game in different ways. This game makes it easy to have fun in dungeons and fractals and especially open world without worrying much about having optimized builds, so if you don’t care to research & won’t use someone else’s build, then why worry if anyone else is doing so?
I hope your being sarcastic because there is a huge meta community and multiple websites for gw2 meta, I am not accusing anyone im stating facts and experience from multiple mmorpg experiences including this ones.
You claimed that there’s some group that is dictating what other people should play — there isn’t. You claimed that it’s about ego — it’s not, it’s about different ways of approaching the game.
Certainly there are people who publish results of their attempts to eke out the best numbers possible and certainly there are people who will follow in their footsteps. And certainly there are people who will /kick anyone who seems to be marching to the beat of a different drummer.
But that’s nothing close to any sort of community organized around the idea of insisting on what others should do. That’s just human beings exhibiting human nature — some like to push the limits of their abilities, some like to push other people around.
And again, what possible difference does it make that such people exist if you want to just play the game to have fun? Nothing is stopping you from any content, with the possible exception of raids … and that’s only because raids are challenging enough for 10 good players that the choice of build/comp can matter.
The original post asks, “does anyone just have fun anymore?” To answer that question, we don’t need to pay any attention at all to “the meta” because the answer is “yes, people are having fun exactly the same way they had it at launch, doing whatever they like in the game.”
Umm yes there is lol I certainly do not need your validation neither, I never claimed anyone is stopping me from doing content you sure make tons of assumptions about me when I never said any of those things, and your sure going out of your way to justify something you do not think exists.
Stop trying to be so condescending.
I’m sorry that you think that someone disagreeing with you is “condescending.” I’m also sorry that you can’t separate my reply to you about your bold claims & my separate point addressing the OP’s question.
No you where responding to me, if you are responding to the ops question you make a separate post and reply to them, you where being condescending and you know it, I am far from new on the internet and especially forums.
Sorry, but I didn’t see anything “condescending” in his post, maybe you can quote the part you object to.
And I agree with him that unless you are talking ONLY about raids, there generally isn’t anyone telling you how to play unless you pay attention to people in chat and who gives those people weight in a video game?
There are several different sites that parse character numbers and offer opinions on what builds are most effective at different playstyles. But they are run by different people (not one central voice) and they don’t contact you in-game to tell you that you have to use their site. It is completely voluntary to go to these sites and many people don’t even know they exist.
And I never specified if it was outside of raids only you assumed I did, but I’m also talking about fractals not just raids.
You can agree all you want but it does not Trump my experience with the game. I see tons telling about meta battle read map chat. For example someone will ask advice and people argue all the time because it is the meta and tell them that their build won’t be able to do endgame or tell them defensive stats are useless. Same goes for guilds and forums.
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I could not agree more, I think it has more to do with ego and the meta community acting like it has to go through them first to be acceptable.
There’s no such thing as a “meta community” and absolutely no one who has publishes data on “best DPS” builds insists that there’s only one way to play.
That’s like accusing the “fun police” of being against DPS meters — different people enjoy the game in different ways. This game makes it easy to have fun in dungeons and fractals and especially open world without worrying much about having optimized builds, so if you don’t care to research & won’t use someone else’s build, then why worry if anyone else is doing so?
I hope your being sarcastic because there is a huge meta community and multiple websites for gw2 meta, I am not accusing anyone im stating facts and experience from multiple mmorpg experiences including this ones.
You claimed that there’s some group that is dictating what other people should play — there isn’t. You claimed that it’s about ego — it’s not, it’s about different ways of approaching the game.
Certainly there are people who publish results of their attempts to eke out the best numbers possible and certainly there are people who will follow in their footsteps. And certainly there are people who will /kick anyone who seems to be marching to the beat of a different drummer.
But that’s nothing close to any sort of community organized around the idea of insisting on what others should do. That’s just human beings exhibiting human nature — some like to push the limits of their abilities, some like to push other people around.
And again, what possible difference does it make that such people exist if you want to just play the game to have fun? Nothing is stopping you from any content, with the possible exception of raids … and that’s only because raids are challenging enough for 10 good players that the choice of build/comp can matter.
The original post asks, “does anyone just have fun anymore?” To answer that question, we don’t need to pay any attention at all to “the meta” because the answer is “yes, people are having fun exactly the same way they had it at launch, doing whatever they like in the game.”
Umm yes there is lol I certainly do not need your validation neither, I never claimed anyone is stopping me from doing content you sure make tons of assumptions about me when I never said any of those things, and your sure going out of your way to justify something you do not think exists.
Stop trying to be so condescending.
I’m sorry that you think that someone disagreeing with you is “condescending.” I’m also sorry that you can’t separate my reply to you about your bold claims & my separate point addressing the OP’s question.
No you where responding to me, if you are responding to the ops question you make a separate post and reply to them, you where being condescending and you know it, I am far from new on the internet and especially forums.
The best way to do wvw is join a guild that does it as an event once a week especially for new people. Trust me it helps allot.
For those saying nords are typical vikings, lol hardly they are more shamanic naturally then vikings.
Humans because who wants to play a human when you play one in real life? Then I am going to say asura, yes they have good lore but cmon they are stereotypical gnomes in the dnd world, arrogant geniuses and etc.
Lol first they accuse you of not playing warrior from a post made 2 years ago then they challenged you to take a screen shot, priceless.
So, Anet has decided that third party DPS meters like Arc DPS are acceptable within the policy guidelines. Okay. Did anyone at Anet stop to think about how much hostility and general nastiness result from people employing such scripts? It encourages elitism and general bad behavior. Yes, we can report and block… but we really shouldn’t have to. As far as I can tell, no action is ever taken on such “reports”, anyway.
When I first started playing GW2, I liked that it wasn’t a DPS or meta race. Over the years, that has changed dramatically. Now, Anet is making DPS trackers legit and acceptable; so what’s the message? They don’t want the game to be all about DPS, but they’re going to stack the game so it IS all about DPS. If a meta gets out of hand, nerf it!
Look, I don’t mind the tools being used within defined, regular teams. That’s fine. If someone in an organized, set group needs chewed out for lacking DPS or not using a defined play style, cool. Whatever. But when that attitude and behavior spills over into general game play and LFG? No.
I don’t know the solution, really. It is what it is? However, if this is going to remain the trend (endorsed and encouraged by Anet by allowing tools for DPS/gear check), why not include a rating system or other categorical tick-boxes for “Casual”, “Organized” and/or “Elitist kitten” within the LFG? I understand that Anet needs to create demanding, challenging end-game content that will appeal to the die-hard-forever set; but with that comes a need to mediate their own system.
It really does put a split between the community.
I could not agree more, I think it has more to do with ego and the meta community acting like it has to go through them first to be acceptable.
There’s no such thing as a “meta community” and absolutely no one who has publishes data on “best DPS” builds insists that there’s only one way to play.
That’s like accusing the “fun police” of being against DPS meters — different people enjoy the game in different ways. This game makes it easy to have fun in dungeons and fractals and especially open world without worrying much about having optimized builds, so if you don’t care to research & won’t use someone else’s build, then why worry if anyone else is doing so?
I hope your being sarcastic because there is a huge meta community and multiple websites for gw2 meta, I am not accusing anyone im stating facts and experience from multiple mmorpg experiences including this ones.
You claimed that there’s some group that is dictating what other people should play — there isn’t. You claimed that it’s about ego — it’s not, it’s about different ways of approaching the game.
Certainly there are people who publish results of their attempts to eke out the best numbers possible and certainly there are people who will follow in their footsteps. And certainly there are people who will /kick anyone who seems to be marching to the beat of a different drummer.
But that’s nothing close to any sort of community organized around the idea of insisting on what others should do. That’s just human beings exhibiting human nature — some like to push the limits of their abilities, some like to push other people around.
And again, what possible difference does it make that such people exist if you want to just play the game to have fun? Nothing is stopping you from any content, with the possible exception of raids … and that’s only because raids are challenging enough for 10 good players that the choice of build/comp can matter.
The original post asks, “does anyone just have fun anymore?” To answer that question, we don’t need to pay any attention at all to “the meta” because the answer is “yes, people are having fun exactly the same way they had it at launch, doing whatever they like in the game.”
Umm yes there is lol I certainly do not need your validation neither, I never claimed anyone is stopping me from doing content you sure make tons of assumptions about me when I never said any of those things, and your sure going out of your way to justify something you do not think exists.
Stop trying to be so condescending.
Loads of people just play for fun. They’re the ones that are mocked on the forum, though.
‘Watching netflix, press 1 and collect loot’
‘Special snowflake’
‘Want to get carried’
And so on. People who are committed enough to this game to think and talk about it while they aren’t playing tend to take a more serious approach.
There’s also the bit where just playing for fun doesn’t allow you much progress. Apart from the things you can straight up buy from the gem store and trading post, most of the desirable and interesting items require you to complete a set of very specific actions, often under certain conditions as well. Hence the need for countless guides, meta builds and number crunching.
Just doing whatever feels fun will see you booted from parties, harangued and well…mostly poor.
Oh man you could not be more right, with how much special snowflake is abused, wow people it is called playstyle, it is an rpg with classes duh.
Any legendaries recommended for my ele and rev? I have never looked much into them before. I want ones that do unique things like trails.
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Power War is absolutely dead to me. Not only is it next to impossible to duel a good player, but the sluggishness of the class makes it very unenjoyable to play.
Power Warrior? The only thing thats changed on power Warrior to make it somewhat sluggish is shield bash having a quarter of a second more cast time. And if a quarter second on one skill is enough to make it impossible for you to duel a good player…maybe you aren’t a good enough player to engage in 1v1 duels regardless…
Update: I just read in a thread on the thief forum where you mentioned you believe thieves are “stupidly OP.” Now I know for sure that you shouldn’t be engaging in 1v1 duels until you learn more aspects of GW2.
Why do people in gw2 forums always check people’s post history? They very fact you seek dirt on them speaks volumes and makes you loose credibility. And shows you just want to prove something wrong then actually changing anything good for the game this is not Reddit.
I do not think you understand he meaning of credibility. Credibility tends to be assigned to a person based upon their history and past statements or actions. Examining the posting history would be fundamental in deciding whether or not a person credible when it comes to a given issue.
If you are deciding whether or not a Politician you might vote for credible or worthy of your vote or has a platfrom that you will or will not support do you simply ignore all he has said and done BEFORE his last statement on a given issue?
Do that and you are going to have a bad Government.
No you loose credibility when you prove your doing it for ego, and comparing politics is silly this is a video game in an debate about class skills, if you are looking for dirt then you are only doing it for personal gain period.
And people wonder why they consider do many in mmorpgs to be elitists.
This is the definition of projection dude. No one stated this but you, in fact i have never heard anyone BUT you say this, and I’ve been playing MMO’s for over a decade.
This is projection. You are the one that thinks it, and obviously you can’t be alone so you bring up the ‘many’ who you haven’t even confirmed exist. It is projection.
I think its funny you keep talking about my ego. When you couldn’t be more wrong, because I don’t care about being better than anyone.
Just deal with the fact you keep on arguing for defensive stats when defensive stats arent that good in a general sense in GW2. Active defenses are way better in this game.
You are delusional if you think thats ‘meta attitude’. It’s just correct. It is a fact.
#DealWithIt
No but they did state the meta and showed the attitude in this thread, and I do not care if im the only one who brought it up whats your point? And actually others did bring it up I just directly said what it was.
Your just ticked because I do not agree with you and the fact you did not read any replies correctly and jumped straight to assumptions proving you wrong in multiple ways, it is not a fact #DealWithIt
So you admit your only here for ego? Ok we are done talking here I did not bring it up I agreed he said it before me lol.
Wth? Ego, why?
I just asked you kindly to tell me those skipped mechanics because it could be possible that I haven’t realized any during my runs although they are there or maybe because I skip them in every run and therefore I don’t notice them.
And while he hasn’t shown up in this thread since but you picked up his claim and emphasized it I had the impression you could enlighten us.
You sure did not word it that way my apologies if that was not your intention.
I could not agree more, I think it has more to do with ego and the meta community acting like it has to go through them first to be acceptable.
There’s no such thing as a “meta community” and absolutely no one who has publishes data on “best DPS” builds insists that there’s only one way to play.
That’s like accusing the “fun police” of being against DPS meters — different people enjoy the game in different ways. This game makes it easy to have fun in dungeons and fractals and especially open world without worrying much about having optimized builds, so if you don’t care to research & won’t use someone else’s build, then why worry if anyone else is doing so?
I hope your being sarcastic because there is a huge meta community and multiple websites for gw2 meta, I am not accusing anyone im stating facts and experience from multiple mmorpg experiences including this ones.
Power necro isn’t meta, but i would take that over celestial any day.
There is a difference between viable, and trash builds/stats. That like running carrion on a GS warrior, when GS applies no condi’s so half the stats are literally wasted.
Having healing power on a necro without BM is wasted.
Having condi dmg on a sword/sword mesmer is wasted.
Having condi dmg on a longbow warrior in general, is wasted.
I shouldn’t need to explain to you why these things are so when you could just read skill descriptions and easily find out.
As for ‘not every like to be squishy’, well duh. Run something that isn’t squishy but isn’t complete gutter. Like commander chrono, or valkyrie necro.
If you read my first reply I thanks everyone for showing me why celestial was not a good choice and accepted it but instead people like yourself keep making assumptions about someone you do not know without even reading anything beyond the topic.
I never disagreed with what your saying, in fact I implied effective build several times some of you need to just get off your high horse eltist attitudes and stop making assumptions about what kind of builds Others want to do.
In no way shape or from did I ever imply I wanted to do something like build a confirmation with no condi gear. Nor did I need an explanation of how skills work.
And people wonder why they consider do many in mmorpgs to be elitists.
I never said what kind of build other want to do, I simply stated the kinds of builds i know for a fact people do.
There is a difference between being elitist, and being not bad. Maybe learn the difference?
The people who consider those in MMO’s to be elitist are delusional tbh. I’d say MOBA’s are way more toxic and elitist, because they are actually competative.
The simple fact people like you are common on this forum, disproves the illogical statement you just made. Stop projecting your views onto other people, and speak for yourself.
You said you wanted celestial gear on revenant correct? Did you forget revenant only has one condi weapon set? Did you forget revenent only has one condi utility legend outside of the shiro elite? You state you don’t need me to explain mechanics, yet you can not seem to fathom why celestial would be just plain bad in a lot of cases, or most cases rather.
You clearly did not read my reply fully, since you cannot read here is a repost.
If you read my first reply I thanks everyone for showing me why celestial was not a good choice and accepted it but instead people like yourself keep making assumptions about someone you do not know without even reading anything beyond the topic.
Which means I ACCEPTED THAT CELESTIAL IS NOT VIABLE IN THIS SENSE FOR THE THIRD TIME NOW in the first 5 replies of this topic, what we where arguing was defensive stats, clearly you have no clue what is going on and only had saw someone arguing and your first feeling was omg must prove wrong for my ego!
I do understand the difference again you did not read.
I never disagreed with what your saying, in fact I implied effective build several times, which clearly means I am talking about effective vs trash builds which I never disagreed with, all your doing here is proving the meta attitude, those who consider elitist attitudes not elitist in mmorpgs are dellusional.
Stop projecting your views on others, I am no in way projecting anything it is my topic, I did not say you do not have to play meta but do not try to tell give me your justification for meta attitude while projecting it into this thread.
Why are you asking me when I was not the original person to claim this hmmmm? Oh you mean like those skills where you never ever go down in a fight because you cheese through the mechanics with pure dps gear and dodging?
Well, you brought this up:
Your right pure do does cheese ways through mechanics.
And I just want to know which (boss) mechanics/skills you are referring to that are cheesed through dps and are that lethal that we can actually talk about someone being more skilled because he has to deal with those mechanics.
Only skipping those would be real cheesing, for example not using updraft at Gorseval does not belong to such a mechanic because it takes more skill to bring random ppl dps-wise in line than to jump out, glide, use an updraft and glide back in.
Seriously I really don’t know which mechanics are meant although I call raids and fractals my living room in GW2.
If you can’t bring up some real severe mechanics that are skipped with dps and therefore can be called cheesing I have to suppose that you are completely wrong and tell fake facts to have an argument here.
So you admit your only here for ego? Ok we are done talking here I did not bring it up I agreed he said it before me lol.
I’m a long time MMO player, I started with the UO beta, though the original GW will always be my favorite, I’m a solid GW2 player since launch. But one thing I have noticed over my years of gaming…….
No one seems to want to have fun anymore. They are obsessed with numbers, averages, and metrics…it’s like the games have become spreadsheet and parser simulations that have very little to do with going on an adventure with your friends. The vast majority conversations I have had in game haven’t been about the world, the story or what is happening it’s all been about the math behind the game and it’s disheartening.
I personally don’t want another statistics class, I want to meet new friends and have fun in a living breathing world…wasn’t that what the MMO Manefesto was about?
Years ago a guy named Jack Emmert created a MMo called City of Heroes and he didn’t want to originally show the math of the attacks, abilities and blocks….he was pretty much crucified for it and caved, but I understand his reasoning now. I can’t be the only one that feels this way can I?
Honestly this whole direction especially with the new raid has me more than a little bit sad.
I could not agree more, I think it has more to do with ego and the meta community acting like it has to go through them first to be acceptable.
You raise a very good? pont, to me it sounds like people just get an ego boost off creating the meta like they get to decide what certain metas are . Your right pure do does cheese ways through mechanics.
Can you bring some very profound examples of cheesing mechanics due to dps besides dungeon bosses? (Keep in mind that those are trash as hell!)
And while you’re on it please bring up the real challenging and difficult mechanic you have to deal with if you lack on dps that aren’t there if the dps is high.
I would really like to see those mechanics that are either very hard to execute or show a greater skill level when dealing with them.
Why are you asking me when I was not the original person to claim this hmmmm? Oh you mean like those skills where you never ever go down in a fight because you cheese through the mechanics with pure dps gear and dodging?
Power War is absolutely dead to me. Not only is it next to impossible to duel a good player, but the sluggishness of the class makes it very unenjoyable to play.
Power Warrior? The only thing thats changed on power Warrior to make it somewhat sluggish is shield bash having a quarter of a second more cast time. And if a quarter second on one skill is enough to make it impossible for you to duel a good player…maybe you aren’t a good enough player to engage in 1v1 duels regardless…
Update: I just read in a thread on the thief forum where you mentioned you believe thieves are “stupidly OP.” Now I know for sure that you shouldn’t be engaging in 1v1 duels until you learn more aspects of GW2.
Why do people in gw2 forums always check people’s post history? They very fact you seek dirt on them speaks volumes and makes you loose credibility. And shows you just want to prove something wrong then actually changing anything good for the game this is not Reddit.
Power is still usable, but seeing should the meta shift even further towards conditions more….Mallyx might be better suited to support your groups with Resistance while being able to apply some pressure as well.
Sounds perfect for me.