Guild Wars 2

zone.1073:

SlayerSixx.5763:

Shield of wrath: 36s CD untraited.
Shelter: 30s CD
Renewed focus: 90s CD (72 when traited, which is usually the case).
Virtue/shield of courage: 70s CD. Both apply aegis, latter blocks projectiles for 3s.

What is this about blocking every 10s?

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fragments_of_Faith

5 fragments = 5 aegis

One trait activates one aegis and one fragment trap on stun, so that’s 1 aegis + 5 more aegis. The active version of the trap is another 5 aegis. That’s 11 aegis from DH specialization, in addition to all the aegis from the guardian base spec.

Congratulations.

Dakarius.3284:

Gabriell.4856:

Nocta.5274:

I think a damage buff to Backstab and Larcenous Strike would be a good start to put the power thief build into a better spot.

Increase the front damage to 2.4 coef and the backstab to 4.8. Also, revert Mug back so it can crit. Revert CnD and Dancing Dagger damage to what it was at release.

This won’t address the sustain issue but it will address the 1v1 issue. It also bring back D/D.

CiS would also need to be moved to master tier, that would go a long way to fixing d/d.

This really needs to happen it’s bad enough that SE only clears damaging conditions and all that was lost after June 23 but CiS really has to come back to master tier or CnD gets baseline blind.

Kolly.9872:

I’m just waiting for some dev to come around and hide this topic in the thief’s subforum.

It’s too weak from not being able to clear a simple blind with SE,passing through weak bleeds and CnD and ending having to choose between CiS and SREj p/d has been gutted. Add reveals and boost from other classes you got yourself a very weak set similar to d/d. Venom share seems to have a less terrible impact it requires good coordination I would recommend that but it’s situational.

My results went down since June 23…

Drussthelegend.2630:

I personally feel like a lot of the thieves problems are the result of the people that play them. They refuse to use them in the way they are strong right now. Like half the matches I have a thief on my team they go to far point and die to start. I know its counter intuitive by thieves are not a strong 1v1 class. They arent really strong in bigger fights either like 3v3 or great too much cleave and random aoe. Decap and +1.

+2 fights in some situations I’m not joking. It’s funny seeing a thief die to a bunker spec.

Vigor is not getting on necro they could increase the duration of chill and and add damage on shout use or blindness.

SoulSin.5682:

Hah

Just noticed that now. Improvisation is getting nerfed:

- Or it doesnt work on physicals
- Or the RNG will change from 1/4 chance to 1/5 chance thx to the extra group.

Typical for thiefs.

It would only get nerfed if you have an elite spec equipped if they are kind enough to implement that technically.

Shadowstep.6049:

Tabootrinket.2631:

Kayleah.5791:

So I’m new to the game and literally just rolled a Thief like 2 days ago so I’m woefully ignorant but …

what happened exactly? So far I’m loving the Thief but … now you guys are making me worried lol

The Daredevil is really fun to play actually. And contrary to what’s written, I often ended up in situations where, a whole groupe got wiped out and I was the only survivor reviving the downed ones, while still remaining more than relevant on the offensive.

The elite spec will require you to remain on your toe and be active. No auto-pilote. On the other hand, it rewards you by giving you the tools to always react.
It’s a class that doesn’t rely on passive skils/trait at all.

you didn’t touch pvp yet did you?

Can I remind that anything “works” in PvE? Oops..

princode.2750:

seriously anet until today u still dreaming ppl will like skyhammer and spirit watch. Stronghold is also another fail map “lets see who rush boss the faster”"

I have to….

Dungeon simulator!!

evilapprentice.6379:

Sagat.3285:

Shogun.7401:

evilapprentice.6379:

Gabriell.4856:

Dakarius.3284:

Considering “bruiser” specs deal as much damage as my zerker speced thief while having about 4 times as much survivability… yeah, I’d say screw thief.

This. The thief class is just totally kitten tier now. Drd or not.

This is what happens when you have a dev in charge of that that doesn’t have a clue what the class needs.

Not only do the Dev’s in charge of thief not know what thief needs, they also seem to actively ignore the thousands of good suggestions that come from thief players themselves.

Sure, a lot of player suggest silly changes that are either insanely UP or OP, but there have been tons of well designed changes suggested on these forums that, at a minimum, would be a great place to start when trying to fix thieves problems. But as far as the dev’s are concerned, thieves don’t have any problems. That’s why it was totally fair to gut acrobatics, tweak the missing parts, then sell it back to us in a separate trait line.

I’m absolutely ecstatic I got my money back for HoT before it was too late. I’m genuinely sorry for any of you who didn’t.

This is so true. It is very disappointing that they ask for feedback but they implement something worthless. I feel bad for the players who spent tons of time drafting feedback and developers couldn’t careless.

Tip of the day. Don’t bother spending your time creating feedback for theif class.

I am glad I got my money back too.

I will still give him a chance. He has to put something about thief that is not DD related on those more common patches now that HoT is live, he doesn’t have to but the first post HoT patch is last opportunity I see for him to prove he listened and understood feedback because it’s been flowing since June 23 patch preview. 2 or 3 after would be a very insulting slap in the face many thieves were already lost.

Just to give you some perspective, I felt the same way you do nearly a year and a half ago. Stop giving them chances, they are endlessly squandered. If you can get a refund for HoT, do so immediately. You can always buy it again if they ever come to their senses and fix thieves issues, and the game just isn’t worth playing in its current state. Make your voice heard with your wallet.

I know I wasn’t around since beta or launch nor did I expect to main thief when I started so my hope are less realistic than most. I didn’t buy HoT I’ve grown attached to only PvP and I didn’t like the future of WvW roaming. I have no issues vs elite specs on my necro my main PvP class so I’m fine without HoT and I’m no fan of DD I miss d/d and p/d. I guess my hope remains because I’ve seen such a turn of events for necro just within HoT announcement and now it’s been mostly justified blessings. Part of me believes this could happen for thief but if not soon it will be too late.

@Showbiz Forgot who the orignal wise player was but “thief was stronger last 1.5 years than it is now but at least it is stronger now than it will be in the next 1.5 years” or something like that.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Inflames.8026:

Revenants, scrappers and reapers top 3. Followed by guardian, mesmer, warrior, ele, thief and at the bottom you have the ranger. With the same broken core mechanics.
A gutted elite spec that brings almost nothing. We got some cool pets tho. Guess its too strong when the pet actually does some damage.

The only elite spec that brings nothing is daredevil. 1 additional dodge.

DD’s are so funny especially condi ones seeing a Death Blossom animation before stomping one is priceless.

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Shield skill obviously needs a nerf 6 seconds of blocking with 8k healed per 20 seconds, that’s more than healing skills, shelter heals 4k and blocks 2 seconds on a 30 second cooldown.

Bring unblockable interrupts?

So you got these abilities only.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tripwire
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Fear_Me!%22
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Might with a CC
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tornado
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Soul_Marks with long cooldown fear one
Basilisk Venom on the like 3 unblockable Thief attacks.
Now which of these are meta exactly and every single one has a longer cooldown than a block and they have 2.

You forgot Wail of Doom, I’m a bunker MM necro for now blocks have not proven to be an issue for me guard,scrapper,rev etc and I have poison hell just d/wh and staff handles blocks fine enough. If you want to stick to meta after a fresh patch that is your choice it doesn’t even have to interrupt just applying poison or unblockable damage will do the trick. You could also just dps him I have seen it happen.

I have a guard crying on thief forum about a possible tripwire and staff combo owning him it’s not meta but he finds it ridiculous. If it really becomes too much of an issue they have their more common patches to nerf it.

I will guarantee you none of those skill will become meta and as I said 2 blocks per 20, shortest is 25 on Signet of Might but that requires Warrior to give up his extremely important utilities. Thief traps are some of the worst skills is the game and you have people crying about dying to them in WvW in permastealth in Thief forums.

On necro d/wh and staff has always been meta but anyway yes there is possible need for a nerf I doubt it will happen on first post HoT patch. People expected Trapper Runes to overthrow PvP lol.

Thief is the new character for Temple Run 3.

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Shield skill obviously needs a nerf 6 seconds of blocking with 8k healed per 20 seconds, that’s more than healing skills, shelter heals 4k and blocks 2 seconds on a 30 second cooldown.

Bring unblockable interrupts?

So you got these abilities only.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tripwire
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Fear_Me!%22
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Signet_of_Might with a CC
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Tornado
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Soul_Marks with long cooldown fear one
Basilisk Venom on the like 3 unblockable Thief attacks.
Now which of these are meta exactly and every single one has a longer cooldown than a block and they have 2.

You forgot Wail of Doom, I’m a bunker MM necro for now blocks have not proven to be an issue for me guard,scrapper,rev etc and I have poison hell just d/wh and staff handles blocks fine enough. If you want to stick to meta after a fresh patch that is your choice it doesn’t even have to interrupt just applying poison or unblockable damage will do the trick. You could also just dps him I have seen it happen.

I have a guard crying on thief forum about a possible tripwire and staff combo owning him it’s not meta but he finds it ridiculous. If it really becomes too much of an issue they have their more common patches to nerf it.

volpenvieh.3201:

Josh Davis.6015:

Courtyard is no longer in unranked (or ranked) queue. Your options are “Conquest” or “Stronghold”.

noooooooooooo, I love that map

I’ll sacrifice it for now if it comes back with more maps and queue we’ve been asking for this for too long. SH is…not a favorite of many we need options.

Shogun.7401:

evilapprentice.6379:

Gabriell.4856:

Dakarius.3284:

Considering “bruiser” specs deal as much damage as my zerker speced thief while having about 4 times as much survivability… yeah, I’d say screw thief.

This. The thief class is just totally kitten tier now. Drd or not.

This is what happens when you have a dev in charge of that that doesn’t have a clue what the class needs.

Not only do the Dev’s in charge of thief not know what thief needs, they also seem to actively ignore the thousands of good suggestions that come from thief players themselves.

Sure, a lot of player suggest silly changes that are either insanely UP or OP, but there have been tons of well designed changes suggested on these forums that, at a minimum, would be a great place to start when trying to fix thieves problems. But as far as the dev’s are concerned, thieves don’t have any problems. That’s why it was totally fair to gut acrobatics, tweak the missing parts, then sell it back to us in a separate trait line.

I’m absolutely ecstatic I got my money back for HoT before it was too late. I’m genuinely sorry for any of you who didn’t.

This is so true. It is very disappointing that they ask for feedback but they implement something worthless. I feel bad for the players who spent tons of time drafting feedback and developers couldn’t careless.

Tip of the day. Don’t bother spending your time creating feedback for theif class.

I am glad I got my money back too.

I will still give him a chance. He has to put something about thief that is not DD related on those more common patches now that HoT is live, he doesn’t have to but the first post HoT patch is last opportunity I see for him to prove he listened and understood feedback because it’s been flowing since June 23 patch preview. 2 or 3 after would be a very insulting slap in the face many thieves were already lost.

Josh Davis.6015:

Courtyard is no longer in unranked (or ranked) queue. Your options are “Conquest” or “Stronghold”.

Does that mean a TDM queue is in work even if just ideas?

glaphen.5230:

Shield skill obviously needs a nerf 6 seconds of blocking with 8k healed per 20 seconds, that’s more than healing skills, shelter heals 4k and blocks 2 seconds on a 30 second cooldown.

Bring unblockable interrupts?

How is this funny?

Zethyrius.8692:

“They are all terrible” because I’ve 1v1’d and 1v2’d and even 1v3’d many more things with Viper than with any other build I’ve ever used… Only thing I die to is signet necro if I’m not careful. I spent almost all of yesterday using Viper.

I suppose I could note that Scrapper basically gives 500 toughness and there’s a lot of healing on the build even without any healing power stat.

You mentioned scrapper….your argument is invalid try it regularly on base engi. We are still fresh patch as well I can 1v2 burn guards on my necro, solo and kill a reaper/chrono some people take a while to learn. If you can truly 1v3 equally skilled foes enjoy it while it lasts.

Jasher.6580:

Sagat.3285:

Jasher.6580:

Sagat.3285:

When you refuse to adapt hehe…

You go to the buffet line one day at your office and all they are serving that day is faeces. That’s all that’s on the menu. Do you “adapt” and eat faeces for your lunch that day?

No thanks, I’ll wait until they reintroduce my regular meals on the menu.

Oh yeah… “hehe”

Bad example your regular meals are technically still here you just don’t know when and if there is enough for you.

Hehe.

No, it is a great example.

Maybe a better example is residing in the fact that I don’t want to play Russian Roulette at the buffet line. They may drop faeces in my plate… or they may drop a slice of pizza.

Do I take the chance? Perhaps.

But I’m going to dump the plate of faeces in the trash if I get that.

Do I take the chance and give my team a potential 4/5 if I get Skyhammer or Courtyard?

I’d rather just take a break from the game until then.

We may not agree on the maps but I understand your preference and choice. I just hope this means a TDM queue with additional maps will come soon.

Jasher.6580:

Sagat.3285:

When you refuse to adapt hehe…

You go to the buffet line one day at your office and all they are serving that day is faeces. That’s all that’s on the menu. Do you “adapt” and eat faeces for your lunch that day?

No thanks, I’ll wait until they reintroduce my regular meals on the menu.

Oh yeah… “hehe”

Bad example your regular meals are technically still here you just don’t know when and if there is enough for you.

Hehe.

Increased outgoing healing(10%) and swiftness(5 sec)/quickness(2 sec) on weapon swap.

nearlight.3064:

Well on the bright side of things, at least anet seems to be better at nerfing OP things without totally gutting them into uselessness.

Fixed and explain.

Wait a couple weeks then unleash.

volpenvieh.3201:

I also dislike Skyhammer but what’s wrong with Deathmatch? In my opinion that’s real PvP, not that capturing stuff :x If I want to capture stuff I go to WvW.

WvW is shapping to be more about PvE these days.

When you refuse to adapt hehe…

They are all terrible I agree lack of vitality is a biggie at least bring a shaman and settler version with condition damage as main stat if you are not ready to add dire.

Velimere.7685:

So about that Zealot Amulet…

Maybe next patch. The new condition amulets are all terrible no shaman or anything carrying vitality the only good one was minstrel’s and it’s tank oriented.

Shinjo.6092:

This is a clear example of how someone who doesn’t understand thief mechanics (and their weaknesses), loses to a thief, then instead of educating himself a bit, comes to the forums and cries for a nerf. It is the exact reason why thief is in the sorry position that it has been in for the past while. He even used the usual, “I have a thief, therefore if I ever lose to one, it must be because they are op” explanation. And worst of all, the devs actually listen to this drivel.

Now that reminds me didn’t a dev say anyone who loses to thief need to l2p but they keep nerfing anyway?

garkos.2973:

really since HOT there are some interestiing builds

especialyl i feel like anet buffed the thiefs ability to +1

i feel like running arround in lightening speed so nice

s/d daredevil 4meta

Funny DD is better at running away than base thief when it was advertised as a sustain line. You are still squishy you just say bye faster. I laugh out loud every time I see a ballerina thief they die even in 2v1 lol.

I’m still waiting on “he who knows his name” to fix OH dagger. I know he’s watching.

nekretaal.6485:

Axe 3 needs a buff. This community wants a blast finisher.

Right now, Spiteful Spirit is kind of a filler trait.

I’m trying to avoid mentioning axe too much despite it’s state this is really more about the trait and it’s worth in a GM slot.

DeceiverX.8361:

Baclavaman.9054:

I m about to, the elite specs were the selling point for me, now they are behind a grind fest so yeah….

As I mentioned above, you can’t unless you decide to quit the game forever, as they disable your entire account if you do, until you buy HoT again.

Wait wait no bad jokes?

PopeUrban.2578:

Amante.8109:

I seem to recall hearing some dev chatter about 4s revealed in PvP potentially being unnecessary these days, but I can’t remember from who.

To be fair it was always unnecessary, but if they revert it I might actually play p/d in pvp again. with 4s revealed the rotation timing is way too weird to play right without having to constantly eyeball revealed.

With 3s it’s sneak attack>3 autos>revealed over

With 4s it’s more like sneak attack>3 autos>cancel your auto with a stealth like halfway after the last one but before the next one

It totally screwed up the internal timing and I never played it in sPvp again, despite it being probably my favorite pvp build.

CiS not in master tier is killing OH dagger.

Amante.8109:

Boons are a bigger problem than conditions, although I fear for professions that don’t have adequate condition cleanse (hi Thief).

Someone gets it. When was the meta not boon oriented and boon hate barely present? Get the boons!!

Blaine Tog.8304:

Sagat.3285:

Blaine Tog.8304:

Sagat.3285:

Foes never learn they rather complain. What did you just do…?

I’m… not sure I understand the question. Rephrase?

Your scenario implies that you fought bad players, they will probably complain instead of finding out what they did wrong. It’s quite funny because I’ve killed reapers solo on my necro. Complaining does nothing but being an ex main thief-ish I hate the wrong kind of complaints.

I wasn’t complaining! I just had a fun game and felt like sharing it.

Not you lol the ones you killed will.

Matt Stacey.7415:

Sagat.3285:

Blaine Tog.8304:

Sagat.3285:

Foes never learn they rather complain. What did you just do…?

I’m… not sure I understand the question. Rephrase?

Your scenario implies that you fought bad players, they will probably complain instead of finding out what they did wrong. It’s quite funny because I’ve killed reapers solo on my necro. Complaining does nothing but being an ex main thief-ish I hate the wrong kind of complaints.

He is having fun playing reaper, why must you cast a negative shadow over it?

Sorry flashbacks…

Blaine Tog.8304:

Sagat.3285:

Foes never learn they rather complain. What did you just do…?

I’m… not sure I understand the question. Rephrase?

Your scenario implies that you fought bad players, they will probably complain instead of finding out what they did wrong. It’s quite funny because I’ve killed reapers solo on my necro. Complaining does nothing but being an ex main thief-ish I hate the wrong kind of complaints.

Foes never learn they rather complain. What did you just do…?

Ghotistyx.6942:

Sagat.3285:

And where do you intend to take this build??

Places

Mmm just keep it’s effectiveness under control “he who knows his name” is watching.

Barab.9016:

Wait we have an unblockable attack skill that does 15k ? Which one is it ?

We stole the nerf bat at least DD did. Hard and unblockable swings caught him off guard it was a thrilling execution.

It’s still weak even in flashing DS moments due to ICD. I understand it became a corrupt skill but it’s a GM competing next to Signet of Suffering and boons are even more rampaging now. I’ll try not mention the state of axe but this trait need effiency improvements.

First remove the ICD it’s limiting fluidity and an unreal OPness, make it trigger on exit and entrance simply to not have to buff the axe skill which I’m avoiding to mention much or add an on hit effect that applies cripple in AoE similar-ish to Weakening Shroud. You could even add additional direct and condition damage to crippled foes.

(Hears giggles from thief hit with wet blast of lively fire)

SolarDragon.7063:

And you wonder why the devs don’t come into this forum, because the moment someone says something is SLIGHTLY too good you turn into a bunch of toxic whiners. Congratulations, you’ve made me ashamed to play the class.

I’m not complaining I lost, I’m pointing out that being able to do vast amounts of damage through blocks is ridiculous.

We don’t whine as you describe it if you would go as far as to say that I believe you have way too much acceptance and forgiveness on their way of balancing thief and the reason behind it. I would call it a reflex you receive what you gave out it’s not spontaneous toxicity.

To your second paragraph you are underestimating GW2 sustain, there is more than blocks and thief doesn’t excell at breaking them wait a couple weeks for things to settle down.

abc.5790:

You be careful around Sagat. He will TigerGenocide you out of stealth

Haha I rarely get those but it’s nice since I’m not yet available on SFV and I’m not a happy thief.

Rain.9213:

Zodryn.4216:

Scrapper runes, weakening strikes, and dash will give 27% damage reduction plus fumble for 77% reduction every other attack. Steal some protection and you will be insanely hard to kill. 100% reduction on fumbles and 60% on all other attacks. This could actually be a decent bunker if you can cleanse conditions well enough.

Yeah its pretty crazy the amount of damage you can mitigate on Daredevil Glass cannon no more!

I’m waiting to see or face this possibility hehe.

TGI FRIDAY.6275:

Please tell me you have an alt named TigerKnee

Incoming disappointment.

Nope.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

I wonder if it triggers on Trapper’s Respite…that would be really cool.

No reason it shouldn’t. It fits perfectly with Wanderer stats and trying to gather all the boon duration possible. You don’t get the + 45% might duration from Strength or Aristocracy, but an instant 11 Might (or 21 in the case of Shadow Pursuit) for 8+ seconds is amazing. A build like this could be nasty with all that easy might access. You should expect around 2250 power, around 22145 health, 2589 armor, and 67.33% boon duration. That makes each Trap grant 11 or 21 might for 13.25 seconds with 5 stacks lasting over 16.5 seconds. You could also replace the Bountiful Sharpening Stone for Furious Maintenance Oil to maintain 50% boon duration and get 176% crit damage and an extra 1k health.

And where do you intend to take this build??

CnD baseline blind or CiS back at master…where is it “he who knows his name”?? What about 3 sec revealed in PvP mmm??

Everything and everyone is high. If you don’t get that at least remember you queued solo.

You are overestimating those terrible new condition amulets.

That minstrel’s amulet omg that amulet I love it!!! Elite specs are not bothering me so apart from what was already to complain about it’s good so far. Only bother is that I am not getting Courtyard often.

It will take a couple weeks for a new meta to settle in and bugs to be fixed. If I have to rant the new condition amulets are terrible not even shaman or ones carrying vitality just terrible.