Guild Wars 2

Galandil.9641:

Another patch bites the dust.

Arenzo.3298:

Sagat.3285:

ozzy.8059:

its intended… necro is not allowed to have build diversity and it really not allowed to be viable

Every class must choose their unique line necro is not alone in this.

unless you are talking about pvp i disagree, in pve most warrior builds dont use discipline

Anything works in PvE.

Guarded Initiation is still alive why are you hoping this could ever happen or an official comment would ever be made?

Wasn’t there a necro doing this before?

BlackBunny.3681:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

No.

They should actually remove the damage reduction thieves get now, because stealth is op enough.

Yea because theifs (daredevil spec (non stealth))are doing so well right now. Theifs need to get some defensive outside of stealth….. Its so easy to one shot them in a stun its just sad.

Stop missing it.

ArthurDent.9538:

Kolly.9872:

ArthurDent.9538:

Won’t happen. Thief has unparalleled mobility and on demand group stealth

60 sec cd on Shadow Refuge is on demand? Or do you mean Black powder/Cluster bomb combo that requires 9 initiative?
The only way Thieves can get group stealth nowadays is by standing near a Scrapper.

I mean black powder, you don’t need to be the only one on your team to blast it, of course most pugs won’t.

That sounds like fighting vs vanilla GW2 AI.

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

incisorr.9502:

are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.

stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening

thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween

thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke

same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten

1/10 would read again

as far as topic goes, considering all the aoe and amount of revealed, yeah 50% seems reasonable… unless they nerf all other classes aoe/dmg/reveals (which won’t even happen)

name me one profession that has a reveal skill with 15s cooldown or under to actually hardcounter stealth , heck even those have countermeasures

engi’s elite toolbelt = reveal and apply revealed debuff on stealthed targets only does nothing on nonstealth
ranger’s reveal debuff can only be used on nonstealthed targets
guardian’s trap reveals only stealthed
engi googles only works on nonstealthed targets
and all of them have over 25s cd

meanwhile stealth can be spammed every 3 seconds

have you ever wondered why thieves have to “spam” stealth?

have you ever wondered why should it be justified for thieves to be entitled to being immortal while always running berserker gear while theres over 20 gear sets ?

running Glass cannon as a thief is not mandatory

immortal…. on a class w/o protection, invul, stab, blocks, heal spam….. ahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

yeah glass cannon thief is not mandatory, too bad they can’t run bunker or bruiser~

if stealth is your only means of survival you seriously need to relearn your profession even more now that there’s daredevil

Well it can’t be evasion because Ranger has more of those unless you get both Acrobatics and DD and Withdraw or Channeled Vigor.

He never tried DD dual SB with initiative regen on swap that is why. So much sustain it’s like you are not even there and it’s just for 50 bucks so many are showing in PvP with it why you no join?!

If they are evading with bow they aren’t able to use their other damaging skills.

Should I start worrying about you too?

All evades cost at least 4 initiative for .5 seconds of evasion, 4 initiative takes 4 seconds to regen, skill 2,3,4 and 5 all cost that same resource and Thieves don’t have the godly sword auto attacks of Revenant who also gets more evades per second regen with Shiro.

Yep you missed it.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

scaramanga.4915:

Personally hope they don’t give thief/Daredevil anything . Thief abuse of things caused plenty of nerfs.
You did it to yourselves , and you deserve it. Cheapest profession and has more then it needs. A lot of other professions need more attention. Thiefs don’t need diddly

This guy speaks 100% truth.

Clearly pre nerf thieves using the options offered to their class makes the fact that thief is now stupid hard to play justified.

In fact, why stop there?

nerf it more. Make them pay for their crimes. Make all the thieves pay for using the mechanics provided to them for wins.

“He who knows his name” approves of this message. “Make them pay for it” his boss said.

glaphen.5230:

Sagat.3285:

glaphen.5230:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

incisorr.9502:

are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.

stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening

thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween

thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke

same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten

1/10 would read again

as far as topic goes, considering all the aoe and amount of revealed, yeah 50% seems reasonable… unless they nerf all other classes aoe/dmg/reveals (which won’t even happen)

name me one profession that has a reveal skill with 15s cooldown or under to actually hardcounter stealth , heck even those have countermeasures

engi’s elite toolbelt = reveal and apply revealed debuff on stealthed targets only does nothing on nonstealth
ranger’s reveal debuff can only be used on nonstealthed targets
guardian’s trap reveals only stealthed
engi googles only works on nonstealthed targets
and all of them have over 25s cd

meanwhile stealth can be spammed every 3 seconds

have you ever wondered why thieves have to “spam” stealth?

have you ever wondered why should it be justified for thieves to be entitled to being immortal while always running berserker gear while theres over 20 gear sets ?

running Glass cannon as a thief is not mandatory

immortal…. on a class w/o protection, invul, stab, blocks, heal spam….. ahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

yeah glass cannon thief is not mandatory, too bad they can’t run bunker or bruiser~

if stealth is your only means of survival you seriously need to relearn your profession even more now that there’s daredevil

Well it can’t be evasion because Ranger has more of those unless you get both Acrobatics and DD and Withdraw or Channeled Vigor.

He never tried DD dual SB with initiative regen on swap that is why. So much sustain it’s like you are not even there and it’s just for 50 bucks so many are showing in PvP with it why you no join?!

If they are evading with bow they aren’t able to use their other damaging skills.

Should I start worrying about you too?

(applies reveal)…

glaphen.5230:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

Rezzet.3614:

Shadowstep.6049:

incisorr.9502:

are you kittening kittenting me? Thieves are the most overpowered class on this patch along with mesmers and you want 50% dmg reduction in stealth which is already the most kittened mechanic in the game by far.

stealth has no counterplay in this game and is the cheapest and most overpowered and certain disengage and a thief/mesmer/scrapper can just reset fights forever until they get a good opening

thief gameplay in a nutshell: get a bad opening? Stealth, reset fight, repeat until you get a good opening, spam 3 if you;‘re d/p or s/d or spam 5 if you’re staff thief with some dodges inbetween

thief is currently so kittening overpowered and braindead i have no kittening words what were arena net thinking ? oh right, they weren’t. They have more condi removals than elementalists , do insane dmg, unhindered by any kinds of slow/immobilization, the most stun breakers (steal isnt a stunbreaker but it does just the same thing, shadow step is 2 , infiltration signet if you run it is 3) with low cds huge kittening joke

same with mesmer except they have more dmg and less condi removal but in general are the same cancer and easy mode kitten

1/10 would read again

as far as topic goes, considering all the aoe and amount of revealed, yeah 50% seems reasonable… unless they nerf all other classes aoe/dmg/reveals (which won’t even happen)

name me one profession that has a reveal skill with 15s cooldown or under to actually hardcounter stealth , heck even those have countermeasures

engi’s elite toolbelt = reveal and apply revealed debuff on stealthed targets only does nothing on nonstealth
ranger’s reveal debuff can only be used on nonstealthed targets
guardian’s trap reveals only stealthed
engi googles only works on nonstealthed targets
and all of them have over 25s cd

meanwhile stealth can be spammed every 3 seconds

have you ever wondered why thieves have to “spam” stealth?

have you ever wondered why should it be justified for thieves to be entitled to being immortal while always running berserker gear while theres over 20 gear sets ?

running Glass cannon as a thief is not mandatory

immortal…. on a class w/o protection, invul, stab, blocks, heal spam….. ahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

yeah glass cannon thief is not mandatory, too bad they can’t run bunker or bruiser~

if stealth is your only means of survival you seriously need to relearn your profession even more now that there’s daredevil

Well it can’t be evasion because Ranger has more of those unless you get both Acrobatics and DD and Withdraw or Channeled Vigor.

He never tried DD dual SB with initiative regen on swap that is why. So much sustain it’s like you are not even there and it’s just for 50 bucks so many are showing in PvP with it why you no join?!

Kolly.9872:

Devs f you’re reading, I would pay another 50 bucks for a change class ticket if I could keep and convert all my legendaries/ascended gears into heavy armor.
Too lazy for levelling and gearing up a new toon from scratch.

A race changer or weapon customization would bring more money than that I see neither in sight soooo yeah…

Jana.6831:

Sagat.3285:

Nerf Wish List was…what wouldn’t?

Just malicious stupidity.

Yes, but still it was taken seriously, that’s why I lost faith in people’s intelligence and assume they’ll be convinced to nerf thief further because people are still saying the class is OP

There was a rev complaining that he couldn’t catch a thief due to CD on Shiro’s PT…I mean I just want them to entertain me at this point “he who knows his name” failed to do what he could do. Pistol purity 2.0 and conditional cleansing were decent.

Jana.6831:

Azure – people might take you seriously and if that happens, i will hate both them and you!

Nerf Wish List was…what wouldn’t?

Just malicious stupidity.

Yasha.5963:

Eh? I thought DH and engi were the stealth classes???

I thought revenant was…

Jana.6831:

You underestimate the amount of QQ thieves had and still have to endure
So DH should be fine, as well as any other class.

^This everything else in game is fine from a “hole role”.

This will get trashed in thief forums sooooo do y’all need a link to the Nerf Wish List or has the fuel ran out? Not picking sides just entertain me…

Zero Day.2594:

RedSpectrum.1975:

Zero Day.2594:

Obligatory

“You’re supposed to play thief as it’s role, +1’ing and de-capping. It’s not meant for anything else – L2P”

post.

Uncover their bases and get them from behind when one of your own is already getting them from the front

And so, we shall call the role “The Porn Star”.

I’m disappointed this didn’t have the effect it should on me but +1 anyway.

I’m still waiting for CiS back at master tier and SE revert. At this point it’s malicious stupidity not ignorance or foolishness anymore not an intended rant but he/they is/are asking for it like his/their soul(s) rely on it. Feedback is not even requested anymore it has already overloaded there is no possible hold up.

On those suggestions it’s simply random ideas to the more used skills just hughh…why?

ozzy.8059:

its intended… necro is not allowed to have build diversity and it really not allowed to be viable

Every class must choose their unique line necro is not alone in this.

Drennon.7190:

The lack of new content for this thread is a clear indicator of where thief stands.

They are still a few suppliers in PvP section but I cannot agree with this more, congratulations.

Azukas.1426:

Sagat.3285:

Azukas.1426:

I was afraid more this would start to get popular

I can imagine players gathering around him thinking it’s a pinata.

This is more cancerous than the old SD build by miles. When I saw the DD reveal I knew,it was only a matter of time…..

It’s easier to deal with but many will take a while to learn. I literraly see players just standing trying to AA them. It’s rising but it won’t go far.

Azukas.1426:

I was afraid more this would start to get popular

I can imagine players gathering around him thinking it’s a pinata.

Star.8401:

Sagat.3285:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Funny, almost every single PvPer I know hates Courtyard.

You mean capper.

No he means actual PvPer because Courtyard was dumb. You could just switch to certain builds and dominate other teams. Besides there are Guild Halls now with arenas. Courtyard was the least played map in unranked so it made sense to remove it.

Your opinion the devs are the ones who introduced it the wrong way. Saying Courtyard has meta builds while ignoring the ones in conquest is funny.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

Funny, almost every single PvPer I know hates Courtyard.

You mean capper.

that baby stealing dingo.7216:

Gwalchgwn.1659:

PvP? WvW? I don’t even run stealth on my thief and I don’t feel being useless.

I’m talking about sPvP. Pretty much anything works in WvW and general PvE (not fractals/dungeons though).

Incoming DD temple runner…

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Maybe thief is just fine and everyone complaining is bad.

That’s literally the same reasoning many had about pre spec patch necro Anet saw through the lies and significant improvements were made. I just hope it doesn’t take three more years for thief’s.

Rudy.6184:

I think that thief is okay too, but now it makes you not to play stealth. I like the staff build with dash, but I think it’ll become boring to me in the future (2, 5 and dodge spam). For now it is fun, having so good positioning tool and aoe dmg. Revenant seems to have high skillfloor (20 skills and doubleclicking, applying boon is intentional, not just another effect. I think I’ll focus on him.

So DD not thief…

Narcarsis.5739:

Thief is fine.

I have seen this coming.

Just give me back CiS at master tier and revert SE nerf. Aren’t you playing DD..?

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

all types of boons are fine, because boons can be very easily removed, corrupted, stolen.

/sarcasm

Just for those who…

sinject.4607:

maybe one day we’ll finally see a patch note that says “removed Celestial Amulet” and the dark cloud that’s lingered over this game for the past two years will clear

if they’re willing to listen to people wanting to see a lame amulet gone once, maybe they’ll do it twice for the king of all lame amulets.

Ele is still ingame why do you expect cele to ever go away O.o??

It will be missed back to cele it is.

Legacy of the Foefire is the worst map on any roster, I hate everything about it especially mid, I hate seeing it show as my favorite map. Use FoN as a standard please not Crapfire.

Jana.6831:

How about lowering condi removal to 2 seconds instead?

Give me back CiS in master tier and revert SE to all conditions and it can stay at three seconds. This bug does need to be fixed.

Texas Jack.6852:

If you are ran Physicals, you had 0 chance, so no, it isn’t.

So only look at half of this fix??

Texas Jack.6852:

Sagat.3285:

Improvisation “fix” is kind of nerf…

Do you mean this?

Gaile Gray.6029 – ArenaNet Forum Communications Team Lead

Thief
Deadly Arts: Improvisation: Fixed an issue that prevented this trait from recharging physical skills when stealing from an enemy.

Because that’s not a nerf.

Less chances to get other utilities is not a nerf?

legenduu.4372:

Shadowstep.6049:

Anet: 0 kittens given. Actually threw another nerf at the class today….

what nerf? why are you lying.

Improvisation “fix” is kind of nerf…

We talked about this way before HoT announcement this is probably low priority. The comparison between Ricochet and it proves it, I’m still waiting for CiS to go back to master tier. Ironic how a bug fix turns out be a nerf.

Everything and everyone is high.

Gmtsai.6349:

Impact.2780:

Necro:
- if playing damage:
—- does not have mobility to go with its damage making it an ineffective roamer, thus it lacks versatility in its role, and its class mechanic shuts it off from healing support
- if playing tanky:
—- does not offer support and therefore recursive support in team fights (which is a huge loss, and is why cele engi replaced cele/soldier warrior a few metas back and took on a similar role)
—- has a class mechanic which shuts itself off from allied healing while active (latter can be worked around in a coordinated team but still an obstacle)
—- does not have a safe stomp unless it gives up another large part of what makes the builds work

This is why it’s not taken in place of a tanky team fighter like a warrior, engi, or ele, but instead of one of the squishy members. In this new meta, all it brings is some cc – which engi can now do as scrapper – tankiness – while other classes have become stronger at supporting meaning said tankiness is not needed – more chill – while the previously referred to “other classes” have also aquired greater condition cleansing – and strong cleave – which is slow to cast such that a black poweder or any blinding field could mitigate.

In short, the buffs to necro are, in light of the buffs to other classes, redundant, and ineffective compared to having a different class on your team in their place.

TLDR; Not OP.

This is a perfect example of how people can’t see the problem of necro, they just list anything that looks not great but in fact you all forget one thing. “Chill”

Chill is the killer of everything in this game, and on top of boon rip, Chill becomes unstoppable, that’s the reason why nerco can shut down someone easily just because of Chill + boon rip.

you can’t TLDR nerco not op by listing these, everything you need to look at is in actual game instead of imagination. But what you were saying is sort of true, which is why I’m saying nerco is the hidden OP class that people just cant understand why it is so broken.

and, nerco is the tankiest dps in this game, that’s an unarguable truth.

Cleansing is on steroids,chill converts to resistance and necro needs facetanking that’s all we have. Where were you pre spec patch??

It’s not triggering Death Nova…that’s more annoying.

MUDse.7623:

as this is now in thief forum n not in pvp forum anymore..
i do think a daredevil in the right hands playing em is fine in WvW roaming , dunno ’bout spvp or pve.
i actually didnt want to play thief after HoT launch but kitten many ppl say thief is superbad atm i couldnt resist but checkin it myself, so i upgraded my thief to daredevil n roamed a few h n then recorded every encounter i had within 30 min roaming. i made alot of mistakes (like just using my steal at start of fights instead as an interrupt and to get the additional dogge/initative). but i do think if a good thief (im experienced but not good ) would be playing in my stead he would have won every fight but the last one. ( ofc the opponents were not good, but well thats actually what u meet in wvw)

i think if u buff thief and so the daredevil a good daredevil could become OP in wvw roaming(not that it was balanced anytime). so in my opinion u rather need to cut down other classes to get the thief on their level again.

edit: i would like to be able to use staff skills + shadowstepping skills -somehow doesnt work for me

Your logic implies that DD is an upgrade so why not nerf the upgrade? CiS back at master and SE revert are not buffing DD.

Bug…

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Tabootrinket.2631:

I think making this kind of thread as an answer to a troll thread isn’t really smart. It doesn’t provide anything, and let’s face it, devs won’t react to a post just saying :
“buff please” without further explanation.

Your response would be perfect if what you suggest hasn’t been constantly done already. Only thing left seems to be this it does remind me even more of prepatch necro forums.

Why?

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FeelsAlright.5860:

So we’re remaking this thread in pvp just to sleight them right???

Other ones always come anyway if you pay attention it’s just like conditions in PvE pre stack increase, they really just keep coming and definitely won’t stop soon.

Mostly PvP on necro still waiting for CiS to go back to master tier when it happens I’ll ignore the rest of the nerfs and join the struggle.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Kolly.9872:

Kolly.9872:

I’m just waiting for some dev to come around and hide this topic in the thief’s subforum.

And here we are

QUOTED FOR THE kittenING TRUTH

Unfortunate truth…

Just give me back CiS at master tier and revert SE nerf.

messiah.1908:

Still meta build with great dmg blind daze ability as before
The reveal skills aren’t being used yet much

Don’t think they need to lol. Herald and DH are always here anyway.