Guild Wars 2

coro.3176:

In other games, sniper classes tend to be balanced by having low defense and low mobility. Yes, they can deal massive damage at range, but if you get in close on one, they’re going to have a bad time.

I really hope something similar exists here, or we’ll see rifle thieves pew-pewing with 4k auto-attacks, then swap to shortbow and escape the second someone looks at them. That’d be bad for the game.

If they sacrifice mobility it could be acceptable. However, I just don’t see how they can prevent them keeping absurd mobility unless they limit the class to one weapon to prevent shortbow.

So far, it feel a bit hopeless to play Tempest in your 2 threads about how to fight Reaper and DD…

beatthedown.2651:

I like the concept. There should at least be a risk involved with rifle, like a movement debuff for a few seconds while using the new skills. Also don’t forget there won’t be any Pul. Impact anymore, so the Thief won’t be that strong with existing weapon sets. Reflects are also a thing if he does not get too much unblocklable uptime.

Edit: I also highly doubt the new spec will have three dodges.

People have to be aware of a danger for reflect skill to even enter the equation. A 1200 range invisible sniper isn’t going to trigger reflection skills.

Spartacus.3192:

Rifle on thief might actually make me dust off my thief that i barely touch and troll WvW so hard. I will abuse that million mile range insta burst till it gets its eventual nerf.

Told you…

choovanski.5462:

Well, now that we know it’s on the horizon what do you WvW players think about this?

you know, seeing as it will effect y’all primarily

Only trolls will benefit from this I fear. Invisible killshots coming from miles away… thats just great.

Khyan.7039:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

How is it not true? I get mats from PvP, Fractals and WvW by playing normally. I’m not even talking about buying anything at all.

If you really feel that all game modes are balanced and that you truly have choice, then just grind out the gold to buy 150 LI worth of raid kills. I’m sure a raid guild would give you a deal if you tell them you want to buy a full clear every week for 12 weeks.

You can totally avoid raids. In fact this is traditional and this type of open market has roots all the way back to gw1.

We were addressing the fact all game modes could provide T6 mats vs Raid being the only source of LI.

You were adressing something totally unrelated since a lot of pages in this thread. The initial post is : What do you think about the look of the legendary?

Stop derailing the thread pls or make your own thread if you’re unsatisfied with the accessibility of LI. I’m personally tired of these players complaining with no real arguments and dumb reaction because they can’t have something due to the word “raid” that is apparently toxic and undesirable for them, for some reasons.

Please, stop, or at least do it with constructive behavior, not just “complains because I’m frustrated and hate the raids”.

I was answering people who replied to me, just like I do here. If you are tired of seeing discussion being derailed, or just tired of a thread, just don’t reply and complain about people complaining. You contribute to the problem and, more importantly, that too is a choice you have. As for myself, I’ll do what I want, thank you very much.

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

How is it not true? I get mats from PvP, Fractals and WvW by playing normally. I’m not even talking about buying anything at all.

If you really feel that all game modes are balanced and that you truly have choice, then just grind out the gold to buy 150 LI worth of raid kills. I’m sure a raid guild would give you a deal if you tell them you want to buy a full clear every week for 12 weeks.

You can totally avoid raids. In fact this is traditional and this type of open market has roots all the way back to gw1.

Whoa,whoa,whoa, how did the discussion slide to balance between all game mode? We were addressing the fact all game modes could provide T6 mats vs Raid being the only source of LI. The fact is, all game mode can let you acquire T6 mats when you play them (no need to use the TP), while the same can’t be said of LI.

Exciton.8942:

Posted this on the other thread

my prediction:
Your sniping skill will have a long charge up time after you select target. You can release the charge up at any time. However, the longer you charge up, the higher crit chance(or just flat damage) will be. So if you are willing to take more risk of being interrupted, you can charge up longer and do massive damage. Or you can release early and do little damage.

Again, as long as you can’t charge from stealth since no risk should result in no reward…

Astralporing.1957:

Nash.2681:

Guess it’s due to the 10-ppl req. design lowering a single players influence to success close to zero :/

It’s not the 10-man requirement. 5-man content done with raid approach would also be much harder than t4 fractals. It’s mostly because raids are extremely unforgiving of failure. There’s a ton of mechanics where failure of one player can cause things go from good to really, really bad in an instant. Now couple that with much smaller ability to recover from those (not only you can’t ress the dead, but also any recovery attempt is asking for someone to make another mistake, causing a chain reaction of doom)

On the other hand, individual influence is very high. It’s just that it’s usually seen by their impact on failure, instead of success.

As far as I’m concerned, the fact it is 10 men is the major problem. Mainly because putting up a 10 men group with proper comp is always a significant waste of play time for me. I derive ZERO pleasure putting up groups and constantly changing comp. I want to play, and that part of raiding is not me playing.

Also, when you say individual influence is really high, even the way you explain it, I disagree. It is true that only one can make it harder for all, but that is precisely why you, as an individual, get little control over the desired outcome. All you can do is control your character as best as you can, and pray others will do their part. There is a reason why people will ask for ridiculous prerequisites like 300+ LI (still laughting that one, sry). Many players aren’t that tolerant of others mistakes is what you have to understand.

The fact it is 10 men, and very structured, also multiply the possibility of abrasive interractions among players and finger pointing. If some raids were done along fantastic people, it is also true that many were done along absolute kittens in need of ego boosting.

While raiding can be fun, and a great social experience, it is a riskier ride for a player that want to maximize his play time and have fun.

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

You can get the material from any part of the game. It doesn’t ask you to play content you do not care much for. LI on the other hand…

Yeah except that’s not really true. Yes you can get gold and buy materials via any part of the game. But we can’t just ignore how much faster the gold per hour is from certain parts. Its not really the case that you have freedom in how to earn this.

How is it not true? I get mats from PvP, Fractals and WvW by playing normally. I’m not even talking about buying anything at all.

lordhelmos.7623:

I have a feeling we are going to get something very intereting with thief’s new specialization:

First person sniping. I’m thinking the new mechanic is going to be a first person sniper scope. The game’ engine already supports first person camera and projectile based hit detection. I can already hit people without targeting them by “aiming” my longbow at them as a ranger.

I think this mechanic will be boom headshot powerful but think about it. If you are tunnel visioned on your scope then you won’t be able to see people coming up on you. This is where the high ground and tactical positioning comes into play.

It’s possible the first person snipe will be extended to other weapons such as throwing a dagger, short bow, pistol. Each weapon might have a differet effect, with the rifle just plain blowing your head off.

Think of how horrible this is going to be for everyone BUT the thief. The only way I can even listen to such a proposition is if that thief spec loose all stealth capabilities. Otherwise its just troll material waiting to be used.

Nash.2681:

Ryudnard.2587:

I’ve been raiding for little over a month. I find myself struggle at tier 2 fractals. So, there you go. I am an avergae guy.
[…]

This makes me cry. I’m pugging through T4 fractals regulary without issues even when 3/5 of them are performing… not so well, yet getting a single raid kill seems out of reach for me.
Guess it’s due to the 10-ppl req. design lowering a single players influence to success close to zero :/

A raid rely a lot more on others than fractals. It is a large part of why I hate structured group content. It makes participating sooooo much more complicated.

thrag.9740:

I always find it strange that the only complaint about legendary armor is always the LI requirements. No one ever seems to mention the huge amount of materials necessary.

Anyone willing to do escort,trio,and mursaat overseer each week, can have legendary armor in less than a year. Even when pugging, that seems like a lot less effort to me than grinding out all the material costs.

It just seems like people focus on one aspect of the journey, and that aspect isn’t even the real time sink.

You can get the material from any part of the game. It doesn’t ask you to play content you do not care much for. LI on the other hand…

PierPiero.9142:

Feanor.2358:

Dunno, the combat mechanics work pretty well in a large scale combat, for a game designed around PvE. You might be right, it’s just my feeling.

In a large scale combat all can work. The only difference that is predominant in a zerg fight is “numbers” …. the bigger one usually wins. In a small scale fight it is completely another business … this is the reason becouse zerg is boring as hell …

This is a myth that there are no skill involved in larger scale combat. The difference is, the skills are different. Individual skills become less important than how well you can synergize and cooperate with others.

You can clearly see and predict a large fight outcome by looking at how the group play well together. This isn’t random luck when a group continue to win over and over against other groups of similar size or even larger.

Of course, number is always an incredibly important variable, but it is so for all fights period.

Ryudnard.2587:

I’ve been raiding for little over a month. I find myself struggle at tier 2 fractals. So, there you go. I am an avergae guy.

As of now, I’ve killed every boss except Xera. I got wiped more than 50 times at Vale Guardian until I got the first raid boss kill.

Wait, wait, wait… you have killed all the raid bosses save Xera after one month, but still struggle with tier 2 fractals? uh, ok…

How does that even begin to make any sense? In any event, that is definitely not “your average guy” for sure.

Parktou.4263:

At least gives us both mh sword and oh sword. That is all.

Aren’t we a tad demanding? Some professions will only receive an off-hand weapon and ele has 4 attunements…

Arden.7480:

Do you know guys that only Humans believe in Gods.? So I doubt a charr, norn or sylvari would be a new god

I bet Faren will be a new god of war

Sword master Faren, would be a great GoW!

Mel.3064:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

But, isn’t the legendary armor already saying I’m wearing 150 LI? Just flash your gear instead of you LI and voila!

There are multiple reasons. First of 150 LI is not much, when I command pug groups I usually demand at least 300+ LI, sometimes even more if its a w4 cm.
Second you might not want to use legendary armor on every character because you do not want all your characters to look the same.
Third pinging/spamming 6+ pieces of gear and remaining LI is very tedious in the long run.
Fourth titles cannot be faked. If someone pings LI or kill proofs it might just be a chat code. It is very easy to get chatcodes even for transmuted items with runes on them.

I think my request is very simple and should not take much time to implement while being a huge help to people who pug raids (either as commander or regular raider).

People usually demand 300+ LI… and 150 isn’t much… I’m kinda speechless about that.

For one, WTF does 300 kills prove that 150 doesn’t already prove?

Also, you can’t ping 300 LI, you can only ping a maximum of 250 at once that I know of. Anything beyond a stack offers little guarantee it doesn’t come from the same stack.

But, aside from that, I see no problem with adding a title. I just find the reasons behind pretty absurd.

But, isn’t the legendary armor already saying I’m wearing 150 LI? Just flash your gear instead of you LI and voila!

Talindra.4958:

Made sacrifices ya .. so that’s the word lol. I don’t say I made sacrifices but this is the game I play. I want something I go and do it. Done all achievements for 1 reason . Bcos I want it done. Done all wvw tournament achievements and PvP for back piece done fractal back piece too and all achievements . The only achievements I am taking my time are those no time limit wvw and PvP. I make sure I get them done if they are to put a time limit to it. Raids was new . Was hard to start. No static group even till now . And we did it. I hv about 500li too all from pug raids .

Once upon a time, I had a lot more time to play this game and sacrificing some of it for a part of the game I do not care much about wouldn’t have been as bad. However, it is no longer the case and asking me to gut my play time for what I do not enjoy is most definitely a far bigger sacrifice than for someone who has lots of gaming hours available and who enjoy that content. You simply can’t compare the two with a straight face.

Feanor.2358:

You’re doing the sensible thing by the way – you’re raiding to get it. It’s not that ANet thinks only raiders “deserve” this QoL you’re talking about, it’s that ANet thinks this gives more players the incentive to raid. Which, in your case, turns out to be correct.

What do you think will happen after I get it tho? I’ve seen what coercing ppl where they do not want ended-up doing.

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

Astralporing.1957:

Ze Dos Cavalos.6132:

When you want something you have to make sacrifices.

It’s a game. The very idea that you should sacrifice your fun for the sake of a game is a complete corruption of what the game should be.
If a game is trying to make you do an activity that makes the game less fun, then someone seriously failed at the design stage.

I do it for the armor and I don’t complain about it, I just do it because I really wanted the armor.
If others cant do that they don’t deserve legendary armor.

If I only did the things I find fun in this game I would only have 2 legendaries and no much gold. Because I hate to do map completion but I still did it coz I wanted to make more legendary weapons.
I hate to farm gold but I still do sometimes because I need gold…

So yeah to be wealthy in this game you have to do things that are not fun.

I do it too despite not enjoying it btw. I’m even willing to use my cred card for it (usually against my religion for that kind of thing). However, it is important for me to let Anet known that it was a poor decision.

I also wanted to make it clear that those who enjoy something have little credibility telling ‘it is not so bad’ to those who do not. It is not if you enjoy the content, otherwise, it’s a very different experience.

Feanor.2358:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I’m only interested in freeing inventory space and having access to easy rune swapping.

That’s the general motto behind the complaints. But I’m not buying it. Not at this scale. The armor is too expensive, and rune-swapping is done extremely rarely. Just because you can stat-swap it doesn’t mean you do. Swap to what, exactly? I already run the optimal runes. If it’s about practicality, then the legendary armor is just not worth it. Sure, there might be people who genuinely care about that. But they’d be the minority. The rest might very well think that’s what they care about. However, what they really care about is the exclusivity. They are seeing a new shiny in the game and they want it without the effort involved. Simple as that.

And yet, it is genuinely why I play raids and use my credit card to accelerate the process to get it. If I want that armor, I have to do it since there are no other path toward it.

In WvW, I enjoy swapping my build around to tailor it to different situation (zerg, raid, roam etc.) The game mode offers lot of different needs you can fine tune way beyond mere meta . Not having to waste runes while saving inventory space is a significant quality of life for me. Why are we suppose to accept only raider would deserve or find that relevant? No clue.

Anet can do whatever they want with their game, but as a customer I sure have the right to let them know what I think.

Talindra.4958:

I know this is sensitive but seriously ppl expect to get legendary armour by doing weekly escort only? The number if li is reasonable. I was thinking to quit raids now tht I hv 500li (I don’t hv a static group to play with so my li is from doing pug way the harder way) since more li needed it gives me reason to continue with bit more raids next few weeks while waiting for expansion. If the li requiment is half.. the game might be dead before expansion cones

The number of LI is reasonable if that kind of content is to your liking. If it is not, you have to sacrifice quality play time to eventually access that tier of armor.

If there was plans for other legendary armors people could get while doing what they enjoy (like the raiders can do), the level of complaint would quickly evaporate.

Having players who enjoy something tell others who do not that it is not so bad is pretty dubious. Like I said earlier. if I’m a hetero or a homosexual and I tell you to stop whining about having to kiss another man or woman when your taste is clearly not toward that, it might not be much to you, but it’s a kittening big deal for the other person. Having to kiss that other person you have no attraction toward one time is already way enough, let alone 150 times…

Feanor.2358:

Ashen.2907:

Feanor.2358:

Ashen.2907:

I still dont see how legendary armor can be measured as more than a convenience item for me. The skins are atrocious and there is no prestige in an item that can be purchased for real world money….particularly as the only visible indication of its nature would be functionally deleted.

Obviously some will lime the skins and will use them…but no (to me) prestige for something that can be purchased with real money and which is gated by time and grind.

Technically, pretty much anything can be bought with real-world money. Does it mean there’s no prestige to be had at all in this world? No. Regardless, it doesn’t make the item any more practical. I’m sure there are players which will use it as convenience item, and I’m also sure they are a very small minority. For the rest, it’s just vanity.

It does mean, in my opinion, that there is very little prestige to be had in gw2.

Yet there’s an awful lot of complaints about a prestige item.

About the tier, not it’s prestige.

I’m only interested in freeing inventory space and having access to easy rune swapping.

For all I care, they could sell poo armor skin of legendary tier on the TP and I’m pretty sure many would stop bothering anyone about this. I’m already using a transmutation stone on the butt cape part of the light leg armor myself and I’m probably not alone thinking the skin isn’t my cup of tea.

boolah.1325:

If people want the PvP backpack, they have to play PvP. If people want the FOTM backpack they have to play FOTM.. You want the legenday armor? Play the raids.. it’s that bloody simple.

I’m sure ANET would have made legendary armor for all gamemodes but the fact is that it’s obviously not that simple to do otherwise they would have done so.

Please don’t kitten about LI because you don’t have them. I’m sure the PvPers and WvWers hated the fact that if they wanted a legendary weapon, they had to do world completion to get it. Now you need LI and if it’s too hard to get 150 then you simply don’t deserve the armor!

This argument has already been trashed several times already, yet here it pops again…

Like it has been told countless time, the comparison is simply not valid nor reasonable in the context. This is the only option in existence to get that tier of armor and they wont produce anymore.

Every other legendary tier gear in the game offers at least one alternative game mode to get it. Raiders were elected over other part of the game to get this because? I mean, I’m happy for you but…

Also, what was asked out of other game mode that players might not have enjoyed in the past was nothing like what is asked now with LI. There was nothing conditional about getting map completion. You could play it outright (no waiting, no endless prep, no practice) and progress with certainty toward your goal at your own pace. Yes, it was boring after the first time, but to try and compare that to LI is just ridiculous/desperate.

There is a huge conceptual problem in asking for ‘prestige’ when the biggest barrier to raid isn’t skill base but time based (to organize, practice and raid repeatedly).

Your prestige is already quite time dependent. I mean, does killing all bosses 150 times proves you have more skill than killing them 25? The collection is the skill part of the raid where you proved you could triumph over all type of challenge there was, but the LI part is a time gated grind nothing else. And people can already pay for it on top of it…

So, really, it isn’t so much ‘prestige’ you want as exclusivity at this point. However, since the only legendary tier armor is locked behind raids, the number of players that are going for that armor is not helping keeping it exclusive at all. Its the same problem there was for the Ascension.

Had the reward been a kitten envoy aura (for example), not 6 legendary item slots, raids would have more easily remained the domain of the raiders and that aura been more exclusive to them.

But no, they had to coerce people into raid by kitten-teasing them there, rather than let raid be for raiders.

IMO, just like for PVP, Anet outplayed themselves here.

boolah.1325:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

boolah.1325:

no compromises about li should be given.. 25 per piece is fair..

Should have been more imho.. this wasn’t suppose to be easy to get. 300 for a single set would have been best I think.

If we only speak about what “should”, many, including myself, will tell you that this tier of armor should not be exclusive to that sole game mode. That it is, is not fair one bit.

People are always going to be unhappy..

You “can” play other game modes. If you choose not to, that’s your choice.. You must think about what game mode has a bigger population also. I’m sure they had this in mind with legendary weapons also. I do feel for WvW players who don’t even have a back piece. (if it was available to obtain in WvW, would you really want your map ques full of people that just wanted the armor/backpiece/weapons reward tracks?? So many complain about the gift of battle already which is just for a single piece, let alone 6)

This isn’t suppose to be a simple task to complete and it also has 6 pieces compared to a single piece (weapon) What would you have ANET do? Make it so everyone can obtain the armor after a month?

Let’s be serious now.. Raids have been out for more than a year. The recipes have been known for as long. People are complaining now that they can’t have this nice new toy because they didn’t bother to take it serious enough get the LI or provisioner tokens?? meh

Sure, GW is suppose to be less of a grind but it’s also not supposed to be pay to win! I feel for other game modes but people would complain regardless.

Most people who are complaining now, complained when the recipe came to be known. 150 LI was a silly number back then for people who didn’t feel like repeating something so time consuming that they didn’t particularly enjoy. It is just that the topic comes back on the table with the release of the armor. Do not let that fool you, there is nothing new here.

Beside, if it is true I would despise wvw being flooded with people only caring about the armor, there would be no wvw flooding if LI could be obtained though all game modes up to a set maximum per week. Maybe, say, 2 LI per week could be obtained outside of raids through various significant investment from players.

You would still have to get the precursor the way you get it now, but the LI could be time gated elsewhere. This could leave the possibility to get LI doing what you enjoy in the game instead of what we have to do to access this tier of armor atm.

I would greatly prefer for all game mode to have it’s armor, but since they clearly said NOPE, a compromise is the next best thing to ask for. It is not unreasonable I think.

boolah.1325:

no compromises about li should be given.. 25 per piece is fair..

Should have been more imho.. this wasn’t suppose to be easy to get. 300 for a single set would have been best I think.

If we only speak about what “should”, many, including myself, will tell you that this tier of armor should not be exclusive to that sole game mode. That it is, is not fair one bit.

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Fatalyz.7168:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

And legendary is a rather more expensive skin that just has the ability to stat swap so? And i was refering to ohoni which said skins shouldnt be part of prestigious rewards yet no one complained about these ones.

My apology if this was aimed at a specific poster. I didn’t saw quotes or references to anyone, so I assume (wrongly) that it was a general comment.

For someone who has many sets of armor in his inventory, that tier of armor is a pretty big deal regarding quality of life. The rune swapping only add more to it compared to the weapons.

Something that I have come to the realization of since acquiring my first couple of pieces, if you swap stats a lot, it’s not really as convenient. It actually becomes more time consuming to swap stats, runes, and infusions (if you have them), than it is to just swap sets.

Of course, build templates would help with that…. but it’s blasphemy around here to speak of

I agree with the templates. I’m wondering why it is so hard to get since there are a lot less possible combinations in GW2 than in GW.

As for the armor, you also have to factor in that you free 6 inventory slots per set you used to have. That alone is quite interresting.

cough cough expansion selling point cough cough

I hope it will be announced as a selling point (as it already?).

zealex.9410:

Azoqu.8917:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

And legendary is a rather more expensive skin that just has the ability to stat swap so? And i was refering to ohoni which said skins shouldnt be part of prestigious rewards yet no one complained about these ones.

My apology if this was aimed at a specific poster. I didn’t saw quotes or references to anyone, so I assume (wrongly) that it was a general comment.

For someone who has many sets of armor in his inventory, that tier of armor is a pretty big deal regarding quality of life. The rune swapping only add more to it compared to the weapons.

I am pretty sure almost everyone could agree that giving Legendary to other modes is fine. The problem arises when the people want the same skin which should only ever be gotten by doing the current raids. Anet could add a legendary armor to WvW and I wouldn’t care unless it was the same skin, and considering how long it took to make these armors, the only way another set will be added any time soon is if it has no skin attached.

They will not make diff armors this is the only one and there arent any plans to add it elsewere atm.

This is why a lot of ppl are starting to ask for compromises regarding LIs. The hope they might have had about getting it later in another mode kinda died with that announcement.

Fatalyz.7168:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

And legendary is a rather more expensive skin that just has the ability to stat swap so? And i was refering to ohoni which said skins shouldnt be part of prestigious rewards yet no one complained about these ones.

My apology if this was aimed at a specific poster. I didn’t saw quotes or references to anyone, so I assume (wrongly) that it was a general comment.

For someone who has many sets of armor in his inventory, that tier of armor is a pretty big deal regarding quality of life. The rune swapping only add more to it compared to the weapons.

Something that I have come to the realization of since acquiring my first couple of pieces, if you swap stats a lot, it’s not really as convenient. It actually becomes more time consuming to swap stats, runes, and infusions (if you have them), than it is to just swap sets.

Of course, build templates would help with that…. but it’s blasphemy around here to speak of

I agree with the templates. I’m wondering why it is so hard to get since there are a lot less possible combinations in GW2 than in GW.

As for the armor, you also have to factor in that you free 6 inventory slots per set you used to have. That alone is quite interresting.

Azoqu.8917:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

And legendary is a rather more expensive skin that just has the ability to stat swap so? And i was refering to ohoni which said skins shouldnt be part of prestigious rewards yet no one complained about these ones.

My apology if this was aimed at a specific poster. I didn’t saw quotes or references to anyone, so I assume (wrongly) that it was a general comment.

For someone who has many sets of armor in his inventory, that tier of armor is a pretty big deal regarding quality of life. The rune swapping only add more to it compared to the weapons.

I am pretty sure almost everyone could agree that giving Legendary to other modes is fine. The problem arises when the people want the same skin which should only ever be gotten by doing the current raids. Anet could add a legendary armor to WvW and I wouldn’t care unless it was the same skin, and considering how long it took to make these armors, the only way another set will be added any time soon is if it has no skin attached.

I understand. That being said, I assure you I’m not going after the legendary armor for the skin. The heavy I could understand, but I main a light class and I find both the medium and light to be transmuting stone worthy. Matter of taste ofc…

zealex.9410:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

And legendary is a rather more expensive skin that just has the ability to stat swap so? And i was refering to ohoni which said skins shouldnt be part of prestigious rewards yet no one complained about these ones.

My apology if this was aimed at a specific poster. I didn’t saw quotes or references to anyone, so I assume (wrongly) that it was a general comment.

For someone who has many sets of armor in his inventory, that tier of armor is a pretty big deal regarding quality of life. The rune swapping only add more to it compared to the weapons.

zealex.9410:

and why arent ppl complainin about the caustic nightmare skins bein locked behind 100 cm or gold fractal weapons?

Because it is only a skin?

NikeEU.7690:

Why do you feel entitled to rewards for content you don’t have time to do? I get it you were time crunched so you didn’t have the option to raid. Fine. Do you not have the mental wherewithal to adjust your goals to your limitations? I’m a competitive cyclist but I wasn’t born with a huge red blood cell count or a high v02max so I’ll never be pro or anything close to it. But I set reasonable goals for myself within my capabilities. Ask yourself why your goals don’t match your capabilities.

Didn’t you read what I said? I did adapt. I continue to raid at my own pace with the difference that I’m accepting to use my credit card to accelerate the process.

As for your bike example, do you hate biking? If you enjoy it and the competition that goes with it, why are you using that example as if of any value? All activities ask for compromises, even those you enjoy. I would know a lot about it myself. However, comparing your efforts into something you have fun vs the efforts someone invest into something he doesn’t is beyond disingenuous. I mean, if you are heterosexual, will you tell yourself “I’ll kiss a guy until I like it”? That it is only a matter of will and not taste?

Don’t give me that hard work BS when you compare apples and aircraft carriers (people who enjoy something vs people who do not). Of course you will be prone to invest tons of time and efforts into something you enjoy. I do the same for what I like and can tolerate a lot more to continue doing them.

@Thrag above: I have 2 pieces of legendary armor crafted, and I thank you for your offer but I will make this short and sweet by finishing with a credit card.

At this point, I think it is time for me to call it quit. For those that still do not understand or disagree, let’s agree to disagree. At any rate, I’m out.

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

It is hard for you to grasp because raid is what you enjoy and are probably in a position that you have, or had, at least one fixed group schedule long enough to learn and get reliable progress and success. It also make pugging a lot easier as a consequence since you have the experience of all fights and the LI to go along. You make zero sacrifice when you raid. It is what you like to do.

Amassing T6 mats can be done anywhere in the game and doesn’t require any preparation before you can even try to hope getting results. All laurels I get are transformed in T6 and all the bags I collect I keep for a legendary. When I near the end of a gift I can accelerate the process by buying what remains. Also, when I say 10, it is since day 1 of Gw2. Not in one year.

Your assumptions are incorrect. I didn’t even join a guild until I was over 50 LI (with kills and experience on all bosses prior). And the first guild I did join was more of a training group (which I eventually ended up leading a fair amount of the time). I started raiding after wing 3 came out. I literally solo pugged about 75 of my LI (half way there). I pugged to learn every boss. I made my own lfg’s, I created my own training groups.

In short I took the initiative to learn how to raid because I wanted to do that.

Also, I didn’t force myself to grind out content I didn’t enjoy. I DO like raiding, but you don’t. Personally, I think there should be other means of getting legendary armor (equal in difficulty and time gating). I think Anet spent way too much work on these skins to make them exclusive to raiders. If you make or comment on a threat like that, pm me on the forums and link me to it, I will totally support it. But as for 150 LI as a req for raiding, it feels fine to me.

If you were able to pug and form your own groups so often I can tell you right of the bat you had a lot of time for that game mode. A kitten load of it. Maybe it didn’t looked like much to you because you enjoyed it, but you have to understand that it isn’t an option all can reasonably go for.

But the most important factor of them all is you enjoy that content. It is no sacrifice for you to go for the legendary armor. Any comparison using arguments regarding choices and will to play between someone who enjoy the content and someone who would greatly prefer something else is rendered pretty dubious when the denominators are so drastically different.

My options are:

Renounce the armor (despite all I’ve invested).
suck-it-up and push forward.
Pay for a raid group ready to go at a moment I’m available.

You, OTOH, have all those too except you can replace ‘suck-it-up’ with ‘continue to do what you enjoy’.

Yeah, we all have choices, but the options are not the same at all.

apharma.3741:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

There are things you are not privy to, like my work taking me out of home for several weeks in a year for instance and where I do not have access a computer that I can play GW2 on, or an Internet connection some times. And when I come back from long periods of absence, raids aren’t the first thing I want to think of even if I always look out for groups each day I play. Just in case something would fit my time.

I know this is not other players problem, and I’m not asking for players solutions here, but if it wasn’t locked behind such a time consuming content it wouldn’t be that bad at all. Over the years, I could casually make 10 legendary weapons and both legendary back packs without any problem. Granted, I had periods where I had more time before raid existed, but that is no longer the case.

The fact that 12 gifts of fortune is no big deal for you, but a weekly escort is too difficult is hard for me to understand. Have you at least tried to do weekly escort? If the only thing you have ever tried to do is pug wing 1 bosses, then you will have a very inaccurate view of what I am describing.

It is hard for you to grasp because raid is what you enjoy and are probably in a position that you have, or had, at least one fixed group schedule long enough to learn and get reliable progress and success. It also make pugging a lot easier as a consequence since you have the experience of all fights and the LI to go along. You make zero sacrifice when you raid. It is what you like to do.

Amassing T6 mats can be done anywhere in the game and doesn’t require any preparation before you can even try to hope getting results. All laurels I get are transformed in T6 and all the bags I collect I keep for a legendary. When I near the end of a gift I can accelerate the process by buying what remains. Also, when I say 10, it is since day 1 of Gw2. Not in one year.

I don’t know what to say but it seems you are an absolute fringe case. We all make decisions and have to live with them, if it’s apparent your choice or what you want is not attainable adjust your goals.

Have you tried joining a raid guild, I don’t mean to raid on a regular schedule I mean a guild with high level players who like running raids all the time, multiple times a week. A great example is MightyTeapot who seems to raid 4 days a week and it used to be every day but Sunday. You seem to be confident in your abilities so it shouldn’t be a problem to join impromptu raids that are put together fairly last minute with whoever is on from a large pool of good players.

I did join a raid guild several times, but my work schedule often made it hard to be assured of anything when I was available. As for adapting to my situation, I did and still do. I use my credit card to accelerate the process. I can afford to. An option I know many can’t reasonably go for.

Just to clarify, I’m not seeking pity here. I’m simply trying to make people who are blind to others’ reality understand that what is true for them isn’t necessarily for others. That and letting Anet know that it really wasn’t their brightest idea to operate like this for the leg armor placement.

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

There are things you are not privy to, like my work taking me out of home for several weeks in a year for instance and where I do not have access a computer that I can play GW2 on, or an Internet connection some times. And when I come back from long periods of absence, raids aren’t the first thing I want to think of even if I always look out for groups each day I play. Just in case something would fit my time.

I know this is not other players problem, and I’m not asking for players solutions here, but if it wasn’t locked behind such a time consuming content it wouldn’t be that bad at all. Over the years, I could casually make 10 legendary weapons and both legendary back packs without any problem. Granted, I had periods where I had more time before raid existed, but that is no longer the case.

The fact that 12 gifts of fortune is no big deal for you, but a weekly escort is too difficult is hard for me to understand. Have you at least tried to do weekly escort? If the only thing you have ever tried to do is pug wing 1 bosses, then you will have a very inaccurate view of what I am describing.

It is hard for you to grasp because raid is what you enjoy and are probably in a position that you have, or had, at least one fixed group schedule long enough to learn and get reliable progress and success. It also make pugging a lot easier as a consequence since you have the experience of all fights and the LI to go along. You make zero sacrifice when you raid. It is what you like to do.

Amassing T6 mats can be done anywhere in the game and doesn’t require any preparation before you can even try to hope getting results. All laurels I get are transformed in T6 and all the bags I collect I keep for a legendary. When I near the end of a gift I can accelerate the process by buying what remains. Also, when I say 10, it is since day 1 of Gw2. Not in one year.

NikeEU.7690:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NikeEU.7690:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

If you completed just one wing, one wing per week since release, you would have enough for a full set, and plenty left over.

“If”, being the important word. When you say it like that, it sound sooo simple. Beleive me, it isn’t for many.

Here is the rub: so what? So you don’t raid enough yo have the li to finish your set today. So what? It will be there waiting for you once you do. I consider that to be generous considering all the other things your limited playtime locked you out of. You probably haven’t crafted every new hot legendary yet right? You’re time gated out of those too, to the extent that you need a lot of playtime worth of gold to make them.

At the rythm I can reasonably play this content, I will have to pay for quite a few run if I want to see that armor before GW3 comes out (I will pay, I won’t stop at 2 pieces).

So what you say? Well, it is disapointing considering that filling my equipment with legendary tier stuff is a good part of my end game fun and long term goal in this game. I was looking forward to the armor since a VERY long time. And playing WvW, the legendary functionally is really nice to me.

It is quite easy to say “so what” when you are not the one on the receiving end of a decision that is disapointing. A decision that is quite frankly very hard to defend on many level.

It’s actually easy for me to say “so what” when your position is that you want rewards without playing. The amount of LI needed has been known for months if not years and yiu either made time for it or you don’t and if you don’t that was 100% your choice. Anet didn’t make “a decision” suddenly out of the blue they, it was no surprise. As much as you seem to care now why didn’t you care 9 months ago?

Your end game goal is legendaries in all slots very good mine too. You play less than I do so I’ll have it done before you simple as that. You want rewards do the work. Don’t want to do the work then don’t complain. Want to do the work but don’t have the time? I’m sorry but you must have an important obligations to take care of and that was your choice too.

Making a choice among the options I have, and that are different than yours, isn’t the same as me not “wanting” something. Life is full of people who sometimes want things more than us, and yet can’t afford the options we take for granted.

But enough of this, I said what I wanted to say.

thrag.9740:

Sirbeaumerdier how many LI are you at? If you did escort every week since release you would be around 40 LI now. Add trio to that and your at 80 LI without even killing a real boss.

Additionally I would consider mursaat overseer to be in about that same range of difficulty. This means even casual raiders can kill 3 bosses / week which would net over 150 LI a year going forward.

There are things you are not privy to, like my work taking me out of home for several weeks in a year for instance and where I do not have access a computer that I can play GW2 on, or an Internet connection some times. And when I come back from long periods of absence, raids aren’t the first thing I want to think of even if I always look out for groups each day I play. Just in case something would fit my time.

I know this is not other players problem, and I’m not asking for players solutions here, but if it wasn’t locked behind such a time consuming content it wouldn’t be that bad at all. Over the years, I could casually make 10 legendary weapons and both legendary back packs without any problem. Granted, I had periods where I had more time before raid existed, but that is no longer the case.

NikeEU.7690:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

If you completed just one wing, one wing per week since release, you would have enough for a full set, and plenty left over.

“If”, being the important word. When you say it like that, it sound sooo simple. Beleive me, it isn’t for many.

Here is the rub: so what? So you don’t raid enough yo have the li to finish your set today. So what? It will be there waiting for you once you do. I consider that to be generous considering all the other things your limited playtime locked you out of. You probably haven’t crafted every new hot legendary yet right? You’re time gated out of those too, to the extent that you need a lot of playtime worth of gold to make them.

At the rythm I can reasonably play this content, I will have to pay for quite a few run if I want to see that armor before GW3 comes out (I will pay, I won’t stop at 2 pieces).

So what you say? Well, it is disapointing considering that filling my equipment with legendary tier stuff is a good part of my end game fun and long term goal in this game. I was looking forward to the armor since a VERY long time. And playing WvW, the legendary functionally is really nice to me.

It is quite easy to say “so what” when you are not the one on the receiving end of a decision that is disapointing. A decision that is quite frankly very hard to defend on many level.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

If you completed just one wing, one wing per week since release, you would have enough for a full set, and plenty left over.

“If”, being the important word. When you say it like that, it sound sooo simple. Beleive me, it isn’t for many.

It is simple. If you’re remotely competent on your class and play more than 15 minutes a week it should be easy to get 3 insights per week.

Sure, ok. Nice talking to you.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

If you completed just one wing, one wing per week since release, you would have enough for a full set, and plenty left over.

“If”, being the important word. When you say it like that, it sound sooo simple. Beleive me, it isn’t for many.

NikeEU.7690:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NikeEU.7690:

Maybe, just maybe, you should have considered tgat you might want legendary armor when it was announced 2 years ago and plan ahead.

To be fair, I’ve always tried as best as I can (and continue to do so with various degree of success), to fit a raid here and there each week since day one.

I also planned my armor so kitten well in advance that I had saved all the mats I expected would be required before raids were even out. Remove LI from the equation, and I would have had the armor the day I could get the precursor.

All this to say, planning is not the major issue where LIs are concerned for a lot of players.

You can plan time for a raid among your play time, but many won’t even start before you have to say gn because you work early tomorrow. And even if you can start and try, not all raids are a success. Some weeks I had 0 LI. And many others week, I couldn’t realistically fit raid in my schedule at all without sacrificing unreasonable things.

Heck, even when you pay for a run, you have to have enough time for it. Some times, the spot I was proposed for a run I was willing to pay for wasn’t realistic for my schedule.

A major difference a raider has with the rest of the community is also that he rarely feel he sacrifice other part of the game to attend raid. It is their favorite part. When you are a WvW player, or PvP player first, you have to sacrifice your precious play time when you decide to go for the carrot at the end. I play to have fun too…

I’m sympathetic with players who have limited playtime but in the end you either prioritized it or you didn’t and if you didn’t there is nothing to complain about now.

You always have the hope of being heard when you let it know to the people in charge. Things won’t change if those with the power to intervene don’t know of your problem.

Beside, letting some steam out can be beneficial. In that regard, your sympathy is appreciated. It is refreshing to not be met with invalidating comments all the time.

Fatalyz.7168:

Ohoni.6057:

Really though, you’re placing daily log-in on the same tier as raiding, so since you believe the two things are equivalent, why not just give out Legendary armor for daily rewards? Or like maybe a monthly thing?

I don’t believe that you should earn legendary armor any other way than through raiding. I would say the same thing if it was behind WvW, the daily system, PvP, etc. Just like I don’t believe that the AP armors and back pieces shouldn’t be available via anywhere else either.

OK, why?

I can understand that argument for a skin, but an equipment slot? No.

Astralporing.1957:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

NikeEU.7690:

I don’t want the fractal backpack I hate fractals I want the exact rewards I want in the exact game mode I want. How dare you try to tell others how to enjoy the game.

I’m not trying to tell you anything save that in the case of a legendary back item you have an option. You can’t say the same about the leg armor.

Especially since both fractal and pvp backpack are much easier to get than legendary armor. Especially now, when getting the tier advancement achievements is just a case of playing enough times, and you don’t need to keep a positive win to loss ratio or aim for winning streaks.
I’d really love the raid armor collection to be of similar difficulty. I’d have had it completed long ago.

I personally have nothing against the level of difficulty. It is legitimate to have harder content in a game.

However, the reward type is atrociously placed considering it’s the only option.

PVP players had a right to complain about the Ascension being too accessible, and they had a WAY stronger argumentation than raiders do regarding their badge of honor/carrot. Yet, a compromise was managed.

IMHO, it is a mistake to try and manipulate the population where you want using a reward rather than making the game itself appealing to that population.

Ask pvp players how they enjoyed being drowned with players who had no clue how to play conquest pvp because they wanted the carrot. How is pvp today? ESL is gone you say? Oups….

NikeEU.7690:

Maybe, just maybe, you should have considered tgat you might want legendary armor when it was announced 2 years ago and plan ahead.

To be fair, I’ve always tried as best as I can (and continue to do so with various degree of success), to fit a raid here and there each week since day one.

I also planned my armor so kitten well in advance that I had saved all the mats I expected would be required before raids were even out. Remove LI from the equation, and I would have had the armor the day I could get the precursor.

All this to say, planning is not the major issue where LIs are concerned for a lot of players.

You can plan time for a raid among your play time, but many won’t even start before you have to say gn because you work early tomorrow. And even if you can start and try, not all raids are a success. Some weeks I had 0 LI. And many others week, I couldn’t realistically fit raid in my schedule at all without sacrificing unreasonable things.

Heck, even when you pay for a run, you have to have enough time for it. Some times, the spot I was proposed for a run I was willing to pay for wasn’t realistic for my schedule.

A major difference a raider has with the rest of the community is also that he rarely feel he sacrifice other part of the game to attend raid. It is their favorite part. When you are a WvW player, or PvP player first, you have to sacrifice your precious play time when you decide to go for the carrot at the end. I play to have fun too…

Oogo.4083:

crafting precursor cost 150 li, making it into legendary armor cost another 150, why precursor cost same amount li as legendary armor, shouldnt it be less. i have made heavy and light armor now i have to raid until novem for medium, why o why, wasnt last 2 years enough?

The precursor cost 0 LI. It is gained through the collection. Only the gift of prowess requires LI.

NikeEU.7690:

I don’t want the fractal backpack I hate fractals I want the exact rewards I want in the exact game mode I want. How dare you try to tell others how to enjoy the game.

I’m not trying to tell you anything save that in the case of a legendary back item you have an option. You can’t say the same about the leg armor.