Guild Wars 2

OptimusSwag.9736:

Fat Disgrace.4275:

OptimusSwag.9736:

Some duelers/roamers are the most immature people in this game.

Later on he was having one of his 1v1 duels right beside SMC and I wait till he’s about 50% hp and I jump in and burst him down and /laugh. Did not hear from him again.

Pot kettle black or what lol.

Well considering he’s the one that called me scrub I fail to see how that is not deserved.

I think the point was you being no better than the one you accuse.

All I see from ppl disliking the ABL so far boil down to “it’s not new so we don’t like it”. Which is a pretty lame and weak argument. Are there real and factual reasons as to why ppl dislike it?

It’s not more blobby or zerg oriented than what I’ve seen from the DBL. That argument is pure unadulterated BS. So, really, what is it?

Angel Heart.6739:

No reasonable and a way to the future would be a real map-rotation so you don’t need to play the same borderland evry time, but you all would rather have snow, blobs, zergs and perma-thiefs tagging on each borderland how is that improving the game.

You reduced the offensive options for the players that disagree with your vision.

If the players that love Desert Borderlands upgraded leave WvW or go EBG what you gonna do, when you loose half your WvW population?

How long is this group of players coming back to WvW gonna stay, how long till a game comes along that draws them away, once you loose your connection to a game like GW 2 its never the same when you come back.

So with all due respect do you really wish to rely on these players for a permanent stable future of WvW.

Whine about not being understood, say bringing back the old back, reverting the game, limiting the WvW options was the way forward?

Grow up instead of looking at your self interest look at the interest of the entire WvW population and give WvW a real chance and future before its too late.

What do you hate about ABL if I may ask?

You seem to allude that blob, zerg and stealth is a bad thing, and I would agree most of the time, but I really don’t see how the DBL was better in that regard. In fact, at least for stealth it was worst by far since you had access to gimmick stealth for all. I also never saw more or less zerg there… so I wonder where is the basis of your rant…

Simonoly.4352:

I’ll miss stealthy gank canyon which I think was probably one of the more interesting things introduced into WvW in its lifetime because it managed to get the ‘players acting as hazard’ thing just right.

This kind of gimmick is exactly what I hated about that map. Stealth is not welcome for me and it doesn’t promote fights. Just gank or avoid.

I’ve played the ABL today and I’m so glad they are back. The freedom of navigation is a relief. I really don’t miss the DBL one bit.

Sirendor.1394:

I always ask “duel?” if the answer is negative I usually help the ally. If it’s a duel I back off.
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Also Vii, next poll idea: “What do you do when an allied player jumps in on a duel?”
a) Continue the fight.
b) Stop fighting and ask them to stop attacking.
c) Let enemy player kill allied player.

I am surprised 30% of people responded to the poll that they would gank the duelist. I mean, I don’t mind, because you’ll end up chasing after the duelist OR getting killed by him and his friends anyways.

The problem with asking if it’s a duel, which I always do to give a chance to avoid what may follow, is that the players are seldom in a position to answer you.

Therefore, the default value for me is always going to be to help my team by assuming the player need my help unless proven otherwise.

There is also no way I’ll let the enemy kill someone that wants to help me. There are limits to be an kitten. If someone wants to help me it mean I made a poor job of picking a dueling spot/answering the question I was asked about it being a duel/make it obvious enough it was a duel. Those are all responsibilities that rest on the duelers shoulders not those that are wondering if I need help.

If I have doubts, and I’m not in danger, I can try to ask if it’s a duel. If I still have any doubts (because they do not answer or whatever) I attack.

Basically it’s vote for:

1) a working car.

OR

2) the car color.

Choose wisely…

I think it’s silly to ask for the hardest profession. Way too many variance between builds inside any given profession to all lump them in the same basket. The context also amount for a lot in a build being face roll or very challenging.

dank.3680:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

dank.3680:

Lacuda.8543:

Chase.2798:

Most duelers are roamers who finally found a fight, rather then being ran over by a zerg…

Untrue. Most duelers sit in one area not near any sentries, camps, or any other objectives. They don’t contribute to the team in any way, shape or form. Roamers on the other hand, go to objectives and take them and move on and take and take and take. They hardly stop unless to farm kills or kill duelers.

“Finally found a fight”…. ugh. Quit trying to sound noble or high and mighty. Go to sPvP or the Obsidian Sanctum Arena. You can duel there to your heart’s content.

You are trying to define roamer as “camp flipper”. meh you aren’t a roamer.

A roamer is roaming around constantly looking for PEOPLE to fight.

I have to disagree with you about your definition. Both are roamers since they “roam” but one kind care about flipping objective and giving info for his team while the other is a borderline parasite in the game mode.

Beside, your distinction is rather empty in the end when you know that flipping objective will bring ppl to oppose you anyway. The real problem isn’t to get ppl to fight. It’s to get away alive while doing it.

What I said was that a “Roamers” main priority is finding people to fight. This is literally how it has been defined since forever of this game.
Yes a roamer may flip a camp to attract enemies, or follow near a zerg, or hang outside enemy spawn, or intercept respawners between sm/keep or keep an eye on our third in ebg.. etc.

Doesn’t change the fact that the main driving motivation is looking for fights not turning objectives.

Fine, I can relate, but I don’t think someone doing the same while prioritizing objective, fighting what get in his way, should be called otherwise.

To me, a dueler was more the kind that was about fighting others first as his motivation but it’s semantic at this point I guess.

PS. to ANET, I really hate this new 300 sec CD on posting.

mygirlparadise.7583:

Norbe.7630:

just paint the desert borderland with snow, its practically the same as alphine
but for me, if its a colored theme matches
i want the maps on each border be different like

desert for red (you know what this is)
underwater for blue (underwater combat)
jungle for green (HoT themed)

I will admit an underwater map would be epic and a lot of fun. Sadly, I might be one of few players that like that idea.

No, I like the idea too. I for one wish the lake and the quaggans would come back instead of the ruins.

dank.3680:

Lacuda.8543:

Chase.2798:

Most duelers are roamers who finally found a fight, rather then being ran over by a zerg…

Untrue. Most duelers sit in one area not near any sentries, camps, or any other objectives. They don’t contribute to the team in any way, shape or form. Roamers on the other hand, go to objectives and take them and move on and take and take and take. They hardly stop unless to farm kills or kill duelers.

“Finally found a fight”…. ugh. Quit trying to sound noble or high and mighty. Go to sPvP or the Obsidian Sanctum Arena. You can duel there to your heart’s content.

You are trying to define roamer as “camp flipper”. meh you aren’t a roamer.

A roamer is roaming around constantly looking for PEOPLE to fight.

I have to disagree with you about your definition. Both are roamers since they “roam” but one kind care about flipping objective and giving info for his team while the other is a borderline parasite in the game mode.

Beside, your distinction is rather empty in the end when you know that flipping objective will bring ppl to oppose you anyway. The real problem isn’t to get ppl to fight. It’s to get away alive while doing it.

Duels are no problem. Just don’t feel bad about running your train over them when they duel in the way is all. Eventually they will go to better spots if being interrupted bothers them that much.

I still don’t like the DBL (they are beautiful and all but…). The one major and positive change that came from the patch is the server merge that made the DBL not deserted anymore. The ABL were not perfect but are incredibly less annoying to navigate.

Norbe.7630:

Pros:

-Roamers in the brink of extinction

Why so much hate? We are not all worthless trolls you know.

I hate narrow funneling maps. I hate the feeling of being so close yet so far. I hate worthless objectives. I hate world bosses mechanics in wvw.

Spawn camping is utterly irrelevant in what may or may not be a problem. It’s easy to avoid it if it bother you and was never what was pointed as problematic as a whole.

Puck.9612:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Puck.9612:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Puck.9612:

dubstax.9102:

Without siege? WITHOUT SIEGE? lol I am sorry. I had to laugh at that one. I guess all the balis, trebs, and catas you guys have had buzzing over top of our spawning area were just my and many other people’s imagination. You guys really do live in your own fantasy land. Just…… wow.

I’ve joined in on the bag farm more than a few times the past couple weeks and the only time I saw Mag players build siege was to take out the multiple ac’s, bali’s and trebs you all build right next yo your legendary defenders.

It’s very possible the siege you are seeing was built for that reason and just ended up remaining there since you all can’t seem to push out far enough to take it out. Once the siege is built some rando pug is going to jump on and start using it, there’s no stopping that.

I can assure you, you often were the first to drop sieges and in any event FAR from limiting yourself at disarming us. VERY far.

It is your right to do so and we can easily avoid it. The problem was never with anybody spawn camping or even siege spawn camping as far as I’m concerned despite some ppl really insisting the problem being there no matter what they are told. It’s not. It never was.

My problem, like I say above, lies with the discrepancy I perceive between what is said and allude from your side and what is factually done in the game. I had hopes for a fun week when I saw my old server on the list and was sorely disappointed to see the apparent goal of Mag was to ruin not only PPT but also fights for all. Take a F2p account and come see things from the other side. Might surprise you. The interaction with other players also is, shall we say, mediocre compared to most any I had to fight against.

Go look in the video I posted and see it from our side. There were 2 of us standing at a tower, jumping, beckoning, trying to get the 8 people inside to come out and play.
They built siege and started shooting at us…..
We had zero interest in the tower but we had to open it to get a fight. They see us building a cata and they turn their treb all the way around from firing at the keep and try shooting us with it. It wasn’t until the wall was about 75% that they jumped out and focused our cata instead of trying to fight us properly.
After we killed them and opened the wall they didn’t even attempt to come back and fight us in lords.

This is what we’ve been seeing the entire match. Big groups (8 compared to 2 is still big) sitting on siege, refusing to fight outside of siege range.
The only time they even fight to defend a structure once we’ve broken down a wall is if they already have the multiple keep trebs firing on us. Any other time they just bail out the back and go to pull a yaks bend in the next tower.

Our options are to cap all your crap and spawn camp you or watch you all sit on trebs all day, and keep our SM wp contested. Guess which option is a lot more entertaining for us?

An anecdote really? Is this suppose to have any inferential power? I experiment the same from the opposite side, what is your point and how does it change anything said previously? Nobody said Mag ONLY blob or only spawn camp or ONLY whatever. We simply see too many doing it a lot.

Also, if all you see is what you describe plz take a f2p account and join us. IDK what more to say.

Not really an anecdote when there’s a video to back it up…

How is it still not an anecdote because it’s a vid? It’s like you want to say there is no blob by showing 1 instance where there are none. As if it remove all the instances where there are.

This is akin to showing Gwendoline Christie as a “proof” men are not taller than women. Yes, THAT particular woman is taller than the average man. Does her existence invalidate the trend that men are taller/heavier? Not even close. This is the same use of a singular element supposedly representative of anything more than itself. It’s not.

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I will give a few no more:

“Comparing players who gank in WvW to the bottom barrel of humanity?”

I didn’t do that. The act of ganking, among many other, was not my target. The motive behind was. Ganking to remove a foe and protect your assets is one thing. Doing the same to illicit a reaction is quite another matter.

“According to you getting killed while trying to run to your zerg is some sort of cardinal sin”.

I never said or allude anything like that (specially not while running to any zerg). I also made a distinction about the motivation behind the killing. One I clearly say I have no problem with (I qualify it of legitimate), the other leaving me perplexed. Yet, you decided to wrap it up like that? No thank you.

“_I’m better than you at being a human, so I shouldn’t have to deal with being killed near my spawn._”

That isn’t what I said nor implied at any moment. This is how you perceived my reply but not what it meant. I’ve said repeatedly that my problem was having big difficulties understanding the apparent contradiction between what many say is important for them in the game and what they did. If I had a problem with getting killed I’d have quit the game a long time ago or at least stop solo roaming on a backline build and accepting duel.

Also, if you are a PPT guild and not one priding itself with any of what I discuss why do you feel targeted by what I said when I took the precaution to use words like “some”, “many” but never “all”? If you do all this for ppt than honestly kuddos to you because it works. You should not feel touched by what i say. If however your inner goal is to make others gaming experience miserable… The means can be the same but the motives drastically different and it shows in the game whether you want it or not. Now it’s up to you to see if the hat fits…

But all that being said, trying to excuse all behaviors on the back of competition or because you can is just sad. That there are laws or not is trivial on the matter. There are tons of things that are not acceptable despite being out of the reach of the law.

(this might or not be of interest to you or anyone really and is not meant as an insult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development)

1) So you now possess the omnipotence required to understand when players are and are not ganking an enemy player for moral or immoral reasons, those cases of morality of course determined by your opinion on the matter. You paint all of Mag under a broad brush stroke of some type of immorality because a vocal minority of us happen to post silly stupid trolly videos that mock you.

2) First of all, a big part of “ganking” is killing players who are alone, or in small groups, running to a larger group. I made an assumption about what you were implying, to be fair, but that is a valid assumption as that is part of the ganking playstyle. You did state, “You might get use to it and just run back like I’m use to since a long time ago but there is no way this experience is fun for the victim or not disruptive for the gaming experience,” in reference to ganking. When I’m out roaming, it is quite common that I “gank” people who are running back to their zerg which is attacking an objective. Fun Fact: I agree, being on the receiving end of this isn’t fun. It also shouldn’t be.

3) You didn’t imply that you aren’t somehow morally superior than Mag players? You continuously bring up the topic of empathy, even going to far as to compare Mag style of ganking to those at the “bottom of the barrel of humanity” to try create a point of some sort. At this point, you’re just pretending to be humble while coming across as some self-righteous, holier-than-though preacher.

4) Who’s making assumptions now? Never did I say I was part of a PPT guild, nor did I say I was part of a fight guild. I’m a roamer. Want to know why I argue with you, even though you don’t say “all” Mag players are bad people? Because what you’re saying is suggesting that even those who aren’t busy spawn camping you, or jumping on your corpses, are somehow implicit in the matter. You paint with a broad brush, there’s no denying that, and if you do, I suggest you look at other players from Mag who have posted here in response to you. They may or may not be part of whatever sleight against you that you’ve perceived, yet they feel prideful enough of Maguuma to come here and defend the server and make a mockery of your statements. If I came on here and said “Well not all, but most DH are just walking loot bags who all keyboard turn and don’t know right from left,” I’m sure a fair number of you would take the time to respond. It’s called empathy, remember that word? I can understand how other Mag players must feel being painted as inferior to a server we’re currently beating the living crap out of.

5) I don’t feel “touched” by what you say. I feel like you have no idea that you’re playing a video game. You’re playing a game mode that is all about encountering enemies and killing them, or dying while you try to accomplish that goal. Once again, you mention motives, as if you have a lens that lets you see into the mind of Mag players. But you possess no such omnipotence. You’re just some random guy on a multiplayer video game, bitter that his server is on the receiving end of perceived immoral behavior in a video game where not such morality exists.

Fine, I’ll stop excusing this behavior on the back of competition, and blame it on the lack of competition. Sit in your spawn every day for however many weeks you’re stuck in a matchup with Maguuma. I don’t care. That’s your choice. It has nothing to do with Mag players lacing empathy, or mocking you, or jumping on your corpses. It has everything to do with your lack of competitive spirit. Some of you have it, most of you don’t. And for the love of rationality, stop bringing of morality in your arguments, this is a video game, this isn’t a Middle Eastern village that is trying to decide if it’s alright to marry off 13 year old girls to 50 year old men.

Well, I tried. Have a nice day.

xev.9476:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

xev.9476:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

You say it’s just a game, but the ones I see taking it VERY seriously are mostly on your side…

Who’s writing whimpering screeds again?

You have a point you want to express or you simply mistook this forum for “the other one”?

What was unclear? You seem really upset by behavior that occurs – without fail – across the entire PvP genre. It seems odd to accuse the side expressing bafflement at all the whining about commonplace occurrences of taking the situation more seriously. Trolls taking kitten seriously? That’s new.

Also, perhaps trot on over to that “other one” if you think anything over here is similar to what transpires over there. Pretty radical difference, friend.

Yes, the ingame behavior of many pvp players can upset me. Why does it bother you? If I understand you correctly, and feel free to correct me on this, when something is commonplace it’s ok?

Puck.9612:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Puck.9612:

dubstax.9102:

Without siege? WITHOUT SIEGE? lol I am sorry. I had to laugh at that one. I guess all the balis, trebs, and catas you guys have had buzzing over top of our spawning area were just my and many other people’s imagination. You guys really do live in your own fantasy land. Just…… wow.

I’ve joined in on the bag farm more than a few times the past couple weeks and the only time I saw Mag players build siege was to take out the multiple ac’s, bali’s and trebs you all build right next yo your legendary defenders.

It’s very possible the siege you are seeing was built for that reason and just ended up remaining there since you all can’t seem to push out far enough to take it out. Once the siege is built some rando pug is going to jump on and start using it, there’s no stopping that.

I can assure you, you often were the first to drop sieges and in any event FAR from limiting yourself at disarming us. VERY far.

It is your right to do so and we can easily avoid it. The problem was never with anybody spawn camping or even siege spawn camping as far as I’m concerned despite some ppl really insisting the problem being there no matter what they are told. It’s not. It never was.

My problem, like I say above, lies with the discrepancy I perceive between what is said and allude from your side and what is factually done in the game. I had hopes for a fun week when I saw my old server on the list and was sorely disappointed to see the apparent goal of Mag was to ruin not only PPT but also fights for all. Take a F2p account and come see things from the other side. Might surprise you. The interaction with other players also is, shall we say, mediocre compared to most any I had to fight against.

Go look in the video I posted and see it from our side. There were 2 of us standing at a tower, jumping, beckoning, trying to get the 8 people inside to come out and play.
They built siege and started shooting at us…..
We had zero interest in the tower but we had to open it to get a fight. They see us building a cata and they turn their treb all the way around from firing at the keep and try shooting us with it. It wasn’t until the wall was about 75% that they jumped out and focused our cata instead of trying to fight us properly.
After we killed them and opened the wall they didn’t even attempt to come back and fight us in lords.

This is what we’ve been seeing the entire match. Big groups (8 compared to 2 is still big) sitting on siege, refusing to fight outside of siege range.
The only time they even fight to defend a structure once we’ve broken down a wall is if they already have the multiple keep trebs firing on us. Any other time they just bail out the back and go to pull a yaks bend in the next tower.

Our options are to cap all your crap and spawn camp you or watch you all sit on trebs all day, and keep our SM wp contested. Guess which option is a lot more entertaining for us?

An anecdote really? Is this suppose to have any inferential power? I experiment the same from the opposite side, what is your point and how does it change anything said previously? Nobody said Mag ONLY blob or only spawn camp or ONLY whatever. We simply see too many doing it a lot.

Also, if all you see is what you describe plz take a f2p account and join us. IDK what more to say.

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I suppose it was to be expected. Read again what is said as opposed to what you say was said and when you can avoid using cheap logical fallacies I’ll continue the discussion.

Oh sweet, the best logical fallacy of all, the fallacy fallacy! Good work using a fallacy to call my fallacies without actually pointing out my fallacies!

What am I supposed to do?

All I’m asking is for you to answer to what I said rather than what you say I said. If it’s too much just don’t but don’t expect me to put any more efforts in replying.

Do you mind specifically pointing out where I put words I your mouth?

I will give a few no more:

“Comparing players who gank in WvW to the bottom barrel of humanity?”

I didn’t do that. The act of ganking, among many other, was not my target. The motive behind was. Ganking to remove a foe and protect your assets is one thing. Doing the same to illicit a reaction is quite another matter.

“According to you getting killed while trying to run to your zerg is some sort of cardinal sin”.

I never said or allude anything like that (specially not while running to any zerg). I also made a distinction about the motivation behind the killing. One I clearly say I have no problem with (I qualify it of legitimate), the other leaving me perplexed. Yet, you decided to wrap it up like that? No thank you.

“_I’m better than you at being a human, so I shouldn’t have to deal with being killed near my spawn._”

That isn’t what I said nor implied at any moment. This is how you perceived my reply but not what it meant. I’ve said repeatedly that my problem was having big difficulties understanding the apparent contradiction between what many say is important for them in the game and what they did. If I had a problem with getting killed I’d have quit the game a long time ago or at least stop solo roaming on a backline build and accepting duel.

Also, if you are a PPT guild and not one priding itself with any of what I discuss why do you feel targeted by what I said when I took the precaution to use words like “some”, “many” but never “all”? If you do all this for ppt than honestly kuddos to you because it works. You should not feel touched by what i say. If however your inner goal is to make others gaming experience miserable… The means can be the same but the motives drastically different and it shows in the game whether you want it or not. Now it’s up to you to see if the hat fits…

But all that being said, trying to excuse all behaviors on the back of competition or because you can is just sad. That there are laws or not is trivial on the matter. There are tons of things that are not acceptable despite being out of the reach of the law.

(this might or not be of interest to you or anyone really and is not meant as an insult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development)

Puck.9612:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The bulk of players tend to play the puck/ball on most other servers while many on Mag aim for other players legs if you will. Yes, it work to get a win but you will have to deal with ppl reacting to you aiming for their leg. Like now…

Ummm… I always play the Puck.

Touche.

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I suppose it was to be expected. Read again what is said as opposed to what you say was said and when you can avoid using cheap logical fallacies I’ll continue the discussion.

Oh sweet, the best logical fallacy of all, the fallacy fallacy! Good work using a fallacy to call my fallacies without actually pointing out my fallacies!

What am I supposed to do?

All I’m asking is for you to answer to what I said rather than what you say I said. If it’s too much just don’t but don’t expect me to put any more efforts in replying.

Puck.9612:

dubstax.9102:

Without siege? WITHOUT SIEGE? lol I am sorry. I had to laugh at that one. I guess all the balis, trebs, and catas you guys have had buzzing over top of our spawning area were just my and many other people’s imagination. You guys really do live in your own fantasy land. Just…… wow.

I’ve joined in on the bag farm more than a few times the past couple weeks and the only time I saw Mag players build siege was to take out the multiple ac’s, bali’s and trebs you all build right next yo your legendary defenders.

It’s very possible the siege you are seeing was built for that reason and just ended up remaining there since you all can’t seem to push out far enough to take it out. Once the siege is built some rando pug is going to jump on and start using it, there’s no stopping that.

I can assure you, you often were the first to drop sieges and in any event FAR from limiting yourself at disarming us. VERY far.

It is your right to do so and we can easily avoid it. The problem was never with anybody spawn camping or even siege spawn camping as far as I’m concerned despite some ppl really insisting the problem being there no matter what they are told. It’s not. It never was.

My problem, like I say above, lies with the discrepancy I perceive between what is said and allude from your side and what is factually done in the game. I had hopes for a fun week when I saw my old server on the list and was sorely disappointed to see the apparent goal of Mag was to ruin not only PPT but also fights for all. Take a F2p account and come see things from the other side. Might surprise you. The interaction with other players also is, shall we say, mediocre compared to most any I had to fight against.

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

All I see are excuses. And cheap ones at that.

Personally, I no longer really care about how you lot decide to get your fun out of this game. Like you say, I do my thing, you do yours. However, if you still have the ability to place yourself in others shoes, specially newer players, it shouldn’t be too hard to get what the problem is with what motivate some of you to play and the effect it might have on some players.

Beside, even if you do have the mental fortitude to deal with the bottom of the barrel of humanity it is pretty hard to “ignore” ppl ganking you for example. You might get use to it and just run back like I’m use to since a long time ago but there is no way this experience is fun for the victim or not disruptive for the gaming experience. And then there is getting killed because your opponent want to protect his objective, witch is perfectly legitimate and understandable, and getting killed because the opponent is trying to get a reaction out of you and hope he get forum material to show his fellow trolls. For ppl with even average empathy, this is hard to “ignore”.

I wont ever say only players on Mag behave like this. It would be a monumental joke to pretend such a thing. But at the same time, sadly, Mag seem to have a pretty huge amount of these gaming psychopaths. Having spent 2 years on Mag and 1 year+ on SoR, as well as on the opposite side of the mirror like this week and the previous one, really highlight just how much different the player community is in this regard. I refer to SoR because the contrast was extreme for me. Same game, very different ppl.

The bulk of players tend to play the puck/ball on most other servers while many on Mag aim for other players legs if you will. Yes, it work to get a win but you will have to deal with ppl reacting to you aiming for their leg. Like now…

Personally, what I don’t get from you guys is the discrepancy between what you say you want and like in this game and what you factually do more often than not. Many on the server pride themselves on fights, quality over quantity, not caring about PPT and not hiding behind acs. But when we look at how you play, you kill all fighting opportunities, make sure less and less ppl want to fight you, blob like crazy, PPT like their lives depend on it and engage in cheap tactics that demonstrate 0 skill whatsoever. I’m confused. And on top of it, too many are behaving like kittenty human beings that might have been kitten on in real life and use the game to kitten back on others when they log in. Even trying to have an honest chat with many feels like pulling teeth.

You say it’s just a game, but the ones I see taking it VERY seriously are mostly on your side…

Yes, you don’t care about what we do, you know except for caring enough to write paragraphs complaining about how Mag is playing. But you don’t care. I don’t have to have empathy for the situation DH is currently in as I’ve been in that situation personally. If I was tired of being spawn camped I left from a different exit. What I did not do was whine on a forum, or quit the game.

Really? Comparing players who gank in WvW to the bottom barrel of humanity? TIL Maguuma is filled with violent criminals in real life? If it’s not fun for you to get killed over and over and have to run back, then I suggest ummm… not dying. Seriously. That’s blunt, I know, but if you don’t get killed, you don’t have to respawn. According to you getting killed while trying to run to your zerg is some sort of cardinal sin. How dare people gank you! How dare you when you’re not assaulting an objective or defending one! The sandbox that is WvW has rules! Oh wait… not really. I can’t speak for every player on Mag, but personally I don’t kill people on your server just to get troll material. I’ve never posted a youtube clip or anything like that. If I kill you, it’s because I wanted to fight you, and you lost, not because I dislike you and think you deserve to suffer in some capacity. I know for a fact, though, that yes, there are people, on every server, that will record their WvW experiences and will not shy away from using that material to mock those who cry about getting killed by them. Welcome to the internet.

Yeah, yeah, Mag has a comparative advantage on mean players. Sure. If that’s true, as you believe, then I can hypothesize that DH must have a comparative advantage on unskilled players, or maybe masochists since they like getting farmed at their spawn so much.

I’m not really sure how your sports analogy works in this case, since there are rules in sports, and there aren’t really rules in WvW. It’s a sandbox player vs player game mode. There are no gear restrictions, and everything available to the player your fighting is available to you, including the strategies being used. If you’re getting trebbed in your spawn, well guess what, you can do the same to your opponent! You may have to break out of spawn first, but you can do it too. You may get hit below the waist sometimes, but you can do the same right back. Refusing to fight your opponents because you hold yourself to some sort of moral superiority, in a video game o all things, is just silly, and it’s an excuse. The worst excuses. “I’m better than you at being a human, so I shouldn’t have to deal with being killed near my spawn.” Yeah… ok.

You talk about this discrepancy between what you see Mag players do, and what we claim to want. Fun fact: Not every guild on Mag is a fight guild! I know, hard to believe, because the most outspoken Mag players are usually part of guilds that claim to be looking for fights. There are actually pugmanders and even some guilds on Mag that PPT! Weird, I know, that a server like Mag, filled with mean spirited folks, such as myself, has a more diverse WvW player community than you claim it does, but sorry, it does. I guess we “PPT like our lives depend on it,” if you consider defending an enemy keep PPT tryharding. I guess we could just let you take your keep back on EBG, and then let you siege it up, and then fight your zergs in treb fire all night, which is what happens when your guilds do come out to play. I’m not hating on you for that though, it makes sense. If we’re at your doorstep, it makes sense for you to fight there. It makes sense for us to fight there too, because we want those fights. If we happen to own your keep, and you’re only fighting at spawn, we’ll be there too. Deal with it.

And yes, we take it so seriously! So seriously that we come on a forum and label anyone who is beating us up at our spawn as psychopaths incapable of empathy. Oh wait, that’s you. That’s you being that over dramatic and serious. That’s what taking a game too serious is. You’re the one labeling others are morally deficient human beings, simply because they kill you outside of your spawn.

I suppose it was to be expected. Read again what is said as opposed to what you say was said and when you can avoid using cheap logical fallacies I’ll continue the discussion.

xev.9476:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

You say it’s just a game, but the ones I see taking it VERY seriously are mostly on your side…

Who’s writing whimpering screeds again?

You have a point you want to express or you simply mistook this forum for “the other one”?

Osu.6307:

Sorry for the spawn-camping and other (perceived) bad behavior, but Maguuma is a fight server. When there are no fights, people get bored. Boredom leads to bad behavior on any server. Maguuma is my 4th server and I’ve seen spawn-camping happen on all the others.

Look at the bright side, when Maguuma spawns you, we do it without siege. As soon as they can do it without any opposition, DH creeps out, retakes their keep, and goes back to siege-humping which is much worse behavior in wvw, imo.

I personally enjoy the spawn camping btw. I don’t have to go far to get fights and it’s far from the first time I’ve been on the receiving end of such ploy. However, IDK if you live in a parallel universe but in the current match-up Mag DOES use sieges when they spawn camp. Often a lot of them. DH also do not siege hump more than Mag that I know of. At least not this week nor the previous one. You also cant really blame players who want to get back their keep and defend it against superior number and coverage now can you?

I can get the “we are bored” part of your motivation but you have to ask yourself how much more boring it will get when empty maps will be all you have. Hardened payers will continue playing (although I now immediately stop fighting at spawn the second a siege drop) but a lot of our population simply no longer care to log in and our tags are rarer and rarer as the game progress… which I think you would agree doesn’t help relief boredom.

godz raiden.2631:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I’m sorry but too many do behave like terrible human beings. Maybe they aren’t in real life, I hope so at least, but the fact remain way too many do derive pleasure in making others gaming experience miserable. Apparently, it’s there “raison d’être” in this game. Let’s call thing as they are.

Using the excuse that it is a competitive environment to behave as such is pure idiocy. We all evolve under the same game mode but are far from all behaving like several of these ppl or using such lame excuses to try and justify bullying. Heck, if at least you were paid for playing as a pro you might say you are no worse than some pro sport players but you aren’t and that wouldn’t change the fact of the behavior anyway.

TL;DR: You don’t like being labelled a bully? Stop behaving like one.

I think the thing that a lot of us on Mag are struggling to understand, is why you think we’re the ones making your gaming experience miserable. You are the ones who complain about being spawn camped, yet refuse to take other routes out of spawn. You’re the ones who stay as one large group hiding away in your keep, instead of breaking off into smaller sized groups and splitting Mag’s forces. If you all sit at your spawn looking at Mag players and coming out to become a loot bag on occasion, don’t be surprised when a large number of Mag players camp you. And don’t say something like “there’s another server you can attack too blah blah” because SoS has barely any players showing up at all it seems.

If you don’t have the mental fortitude to ignore players who are “terrible human beings” then I don’t know what to tell you. There’s a sense of anonymity in WvW since your enemies can’t see your actual character name too, so of course it’s going to be more toxic. Your players act that way too by the way, you just don’t see it because they don’t do it to you. If you argue that not a single player on DH has jumped on a corpse or spawn camped before, then everyone in this thread can label you a liar. You guys come in here acting like you’re high and mighty; that you’r somehow better human beings because you’re stuck in a spawn in a video game. It’s just a bit ridiculous.

TL;DR: You don’t like being labelled a doormat? Stop behaving like one.

All I see are excuses. And cheap ones at that.

Personally, I no longer really care about how you lot decide to get your fun out of this game. Like you say, I do my thing, you do yours. However, if you still have the ability to place yourself in others shoes, specially newer players, it shouldn’t be too hard to get what the problem is with what motivate some of you to play and the effect it might have on some players.

Beside, even if you do have the mental fortitude to deal with the bottom of the barrel of humanity it is pretty hard to “ignore” ppl ganking you for example. You might get use to it and just run back like I’m use to since a long time ago but there is no way this experience is fun for the victim or not disruptive for the gaming experience. And then there is getting killed because your opponent want to protect his objective, witch is perfectly legitimate and understandable, and getting killed because the opponent is trying to get a reaction out of you and hope he get forum material to show his fellow trolls. For ppl with even average empathy, this is hard to “ignore”.

I wont ever say only players on Mag behave like this. It would be a monumental joke to pretend such a thing. But at the same time, sadly, Mag seem to have a pretty huge amount of these gaming psychopaths. Having spent 2 years on Mag and 1 year+ on SoR, as well as on the opposite side of the mirror like this week and the previous one, really highlight just how much different the player community is in this regard. I refer to SoR because the contrast was extreme for me. Same game, very different ppl.

The bulk of players tend to play the puck/ball on most other servers while many on Mag aim for other players legs if you will. Yes, it work to get a win but you will have to deal with ppl reacting to you aiming for their leg. Like now…

Personally, what I don’t get from you guys is the discrepancy between what you say you want and like in this game and what you factually do more often than not. Many on the server pride themselves on fights, quality over quantity, not caring about PPT and not hiding behind acs. But when we look at how you play, you kill all fighting opportunities, make sure less and less ppl want to fight you, blob like crazy, PPT like their lives depend on it and engage in cheap tactics that demonstrate 0 skill whatsoever. I’m confused. And on top of it, too many are behaving like kittenty human beings that might have been kitten on in real life and use the game to kitten back on others when they log in. Even trying to have an honest chat with many feels like pulling teeth.

You say it’s just a game, but the ones I see taking it VERY seriously are mostly on your side…

godz raiden.2631:

Arius.7031:

Much as I sympathize, don’t think Mag cares fora second. Most (not all) pride themselves on generally being terrible human beings and will most likely quote and mock your post in game. In fact they’ll probably wear the fact that your friend quit as a badge of honor, sad as it is.

Hope your future gaming experiences against other wvw communities are more pleasant.

That’s some serious over exaggeration if I’ve ever seen it. Pride ourselves on being terrible human beings? Do you really think Mag players wake up in the morning, put their pants on in someway that is evil compared to the rest of you, and then plot the best way to starve children in Africa? Terrible human beings… for playing a competitive game mode. Statements like yours are why Mag players laugh at the plight that you are all complaining about. You make it so dramatic, so why should we care? It’s a game mode that revolves around killing your opponents, if your opponents outnumber you, or out skill you, it’s on you to find a way to deal with that. It’s not on Mag to change what we’re doing if it’s working. We’re winning on the scoreboard in every regard to my knowledge at the moment. If you guys think Mag blobs too hard, then recruit guilds to your server, pay them to come to you and encourage them to fight Mag’s guild groups on open field. Put up a fight in the game, instead of coming to the forum and talking about how bad it is to have your corpse jumped on. Guess what? That stuff happens. It’s happened to all of us, and it will in the future. I’ve been on five different servers, and each and every one of them, and the servers I’ve been matched with, have players that behave in “toxic” ways. Get over it. Those people exist, and you whining about it will never change it.

I doubt anywhere will remember that guy’s friend quitting the game, and that whole story says more about his friend than it does about Mag. If I got my feelings hurt enough to quit this game over a competitive game mode every time my corpse got jumped on by an enemy zerg, then I would have quit this game years ago when I started on NSP.

TL;DR: Stop being so melodramatic, just play the game your way, we’ll play the game ours.

I’m sorry but too many do behave like terrible human beings. Maybe they aren’t in real life, I hope so at least, but the fact remain way too many do derive pleasure in making others gaming experience miserable. Apparently, it’s there “raison d’être” in this game. Let’s call thing as they are.

Using the excuse that it is a competitive environment to behave as such is pure idiocy. We all evolve under the same game mode but are far from all behaving like several of these ppl or using such lame excuses to try and justify bullying. Heck, if at least you were paid for playing as a pro you might say you are no worse than some pro sport players but you aren’t and that wouldn’t change the fact of the behavior anyway.

TL;DR: You don’t like being labelled a bully? Stop behaving like one.

elkirin.8534:

While this is not officially a Mags thread, the last few pages have been dominated by mags posters so;

I would like to report a mags player/s for sportsmanlike play. Yesterday I was capping south camp on Mags BL and a Dark haven Druid opened up on me ( all fine so far).

I dodged backwards through the arrow stream got to grips with the player and ended up outlasting them. Life happens. Now to the report.

All the while 1-3 mags players were standing in my 6 watching the 1 v 1 unfold.

They did not gank me, they did not emote crude things and they were possibly not even running trapper runes on their dragon hunters. What is WvW coming to when you get this sort of sportsmanlike behaviour from mags players!

If I had been fast enough I would have screen shotted the players so you could take appropriate action against them.

Please consider some retraining sessions.

And Go TC! ( thread relevance)

To be fair, one of them was very nice to me. The guy even gave me 10 gold because I was nice (no joke). I figure he made a wager about me being a kitten or something and decided that I wasn’t after having talked to me. There is hope yet.

katniss.6735:

Be honest, is mag a blob server or is dh just a wimp server?

Why or? Both can be true. I do think many are too afraid to die among those I play along (what I call being a wimp) but Mag does blob a lot. A LOT. No jokes.

Ogre.3124:

dubstax.9102:

… And people wonder why more people don’t get involved in World vs. World. The dead body jumping, the spawn camping, the spying, the people using other accounts to do nefarious things on their opposing servers, the server stacking…

It’s not just ArenaNet. You, the players have helped to turn this game mode into garbage. At least you can sit back as forum warriors and jump up and down at ArenaNet and give them the blame as you continue to do all of the cheese lame BS that makes new players want to never step foot in this game mode and old players move away from it to do something else or find a new game entirely.

Pat yourself on the back…

Its being in a competitive environment. Don’t cry about this, please. Without restriction competitive things often boil down to BM, trash talk, and battle of egos.

The thing is, all WvW players evolve in that same competitive environment but not all of them pride themselves on being complete @$$holes just because they can. Let’s not use that “competitive environment” excuse to legitimize all behaviors.

You can beat the crap out of your opponent without reverting to 3 years old level. If you are good, you don’t need to throw a siege on someone to make it official. Specially if you drop said siege after 6v1ing the victim out of stealth. Any absolute kittens can do the same so it’s not really you showing any skill when doing it.

That being said, I’m not holding my breath about this changing any time soon. The old players have gotten used to it but the new players might look at that and say to themselves “no thank you”. I can only observe some correlation between certain behaviors and certain servers and type of players. Let’s just say that Mag seem to be rich in the narcissistic troll department.

I can’t see how this can be seen as a success no matter how you look at it. Yeah, there were improvements over last seasons meta and the rank is a bit more related to skill but there also has been important downgrades. The most important of these being 95% of the matches of the season being landslides one way or the other. It never really stabilized for me. The close cool and fun match-up are the exception not the norm. Soloq is a complete fiasco.

Forum bug. /15char.

dubstax.9102:

… And people wonder why more people don’t get involved in World vs. World. The dead body jumping, the spawn camping, the spying, the people using other accounts to do nefarious things on their opposing servers, the server stacking…

It’s not just ArenaNet. You, the players have helped to turn this game mode into garbage. At least you can sit back as forum warriors and jump up and down at ArenaNet and give them the blame as you continue to do all of the cheese lame BS that makes new players want to never step foot in this game mode and old players move away from it to do something else or find a new game entirely.

Pat yourself on the back…

100% agree with this. The day ppl will stop using “because we can” as an excuse to do all they want the world will be a better place.

Ogre.3124:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

2-3 hours? I can’t remember a single moment of your server fighting at any kind of disadvantage that would last more than a few minutes no matter where I was or was doing (zerg or roam). Like I said previously, I had 0 uninterrupted duel in all of last week and the interruptions always were from Mag. No matter where I would roam, the patrol intercepting me would not only always be many times bigger but also almost always engaging from stealth (not to mention siege burial, /sitting/jumping over my corpse after that exceptional display of skill ofc).

If no matter where you go and what you do you are at a severe disadvantage it pretty much explain why such a KDR is to be expected. It get worse if the other server stop caring about winning and dying when you spawn camp them all week. Just try it, and we will see how your KDR suddenly evolve… Explaining such a statistical difference with skill goes beyond ignorance. It’s delusional.

EDIT: I also will add that using your exceptional logical skills we were never more than 1 because my squad only had me in it therefore it is all the ppl that was ever in any fights where I was. See the problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Before this push Mag had a 1.68 average kdr playing casually in T4. There may not have ever been a time where Mag’s kdr has not been at least top 3 for both NA and EU servers.

I find it ironic that you chose to link psychological projection to me considering what factually is (numbers, coverage, ratio of guild groups vs pugs etc.) and how pathologically narcissistic the server tend to be (and this isn’t new at all since it was also the same when I was on it).

Beside, if you were having such a KDR despite facing opponents you had no hope of defeating kuddos but otherwise it is not as impressive as you might want to believe it. More importantly, it changes nothing about the facts present in the current match-up and how you insist the difference in KDR is to be mainly attributed to skill.

Yes, I do see a difference in the number of players who have obviously worked a lot longer together on your side than ours. Yes, a lot of you do have a great mastery of their builds (too often lazy/cheesy ones but whatever) but you, IMHO, really over-inflate the importance of skill in the KDR under the condition we are working with. I mean, if our KDR was to be above 1 vs you guys I’d be worried. It would mean that for each kill you get out of us we cost you one despite the number and coverage strongly being in your favor.

EDIT: In short, the KDR we have is first and foremost a reflection of how unfair the match-up currently is. Only once we remove that unfairness can we use what remains as something that might be attributed to skill.

Arius.7031:

Ogre.3124:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Before this push Mag had a 1.68 average kdr playing casually in T4. There may not have ever been a time where Mag’s kdr has not been at least top 3 for both NA and EU servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

Your point could easily be explained by you out blobbing servers during NA consistently. It’s well known that Mag is extra super heavy NA, decent EU, and weak otherwise (in terms of population). For servers to get to your rating, they’d have to either match your NA OR have better off hours compensate. It also doesn’t help that Mag is low pug high guild group ratio, which is another way that KDR can be explained… guilds killing pugs, which is not impressive in any way to any sane person.

Pretty much. You can easily rely on a lot of other variables before having to fall back on “skill” to explain any difference in regard to KDR. Once you put all other variables (coverage, numbers, comp etc.) save skill on equal footing you realize that it is very unlikely that any skill difference is that important in what construct the KDR.

Ogre.3124:

Now the claim our kdr is high is because we sometimes have server blobs for 2-3 hours every night. Let’s compare two sides here when there are blobs on either server:

1) We controlled SMC. Very little siege. Had a 2nd account from DH wasting the supply from 1500 to 0. Inner was never breached.
2) DH desperately sieged the ever living YB of their keep so they wouldn’t be spawntrapped again. Under a hail of 6-7 AC’s, three shield generators, cannons, and against DH’s blob Maguuma eventually took the keep.

Messages from NINE right after we took a fortified keep, sieged keep with NINE defending:

http://i.imgur.com/89Gs3uz.jpg

The only reason either of your servers even has ppt is due to Maguuma not being able to have groups in every BL 24/7. You’re essentially surviving sneaking ppt when Maguuma has other things to do.

2-3 hours? I can’t remember a single moment of your server fighting at any kind of disadvantage that would last more than a few minutes no matter where I was or was doing (zerg or roam). Like I said previously, I had 0 uninterrupted duel in all of last week and the interruptions always were from Mag. No matter where I would roam, the patrol intercepting me would not only always be many times bigger but also almost always engaging from stealth (not to mention siege burial, /sitting/jumping over my corpse after that exceptional display of skill ofc).

If no matter where you go and what you do you are at a severe disadvantage it pretty much explain why such a KDR is to be expected. It get worse if the other server stop caring about winning and dying when you spawn camp them all week. Just try it, and we will see how your KDR suddenly evolve… Explaining such a statistical difference with skill goes beyond ignorance. It’s delusional.

EDIT: I also will add that using your exceptional logical skills we were never more than 1 because my squad only had me in it therefore it is all the ppl that was ever in any fights where I was. See the problem?

ArchonWing.9480:

Oh, we can discuss matchups again?

#PvFRevival 2016

I guess we can until it get deleted. :P

Ricky.4706:

u wont get an argument from me there, in the last few matches we were winning by 200k so that got a little slow for us, t3 is a new level of warfare…. i was taking advantage of the camping scenario to tweak my build, was working out well too, your guys were going out of their ways to take me out as soon as I stepped into battle, my skill lag was so bad from everyone on my kitten that 1/2 second casts were taking like 10 seconds lol

carry on! I have complete faith in Darkhaven, and it’s a nice change from op’ng every match up. May you guys be so lucky as to get camped in your future fights!

To be fair, we do sux as a server. Way too many don’t even have the basic of trying to finish the opponents or res anything even if you vapor form to their feet. That being said, it changes nothing about Faguuma behavior being PPT/troll oriented rather than fight/skill oriented.

Aphs.9528:

Join TC and collect your bags

If loot is why you play maybe WvW isn’t the right place for you…

#SW

Ricky.4706:

ya, they have some of the grimiest tactics, obnoxious attitudes, and odious techniques i’ve seen in game, I’m sure they have their bad points too!! lol

they actually remind me very much of some of the first – villain type adversary guilds from the very early pvp days. The developers back then had a hard time pinning anything on them too lol……ole maggie brings back memories of fun times…..dang kittens……….back then i was part of the only team that could challenge the bad guys too. except this time i’m not competing, just laughing and enjoying the memories :p

i’m telling you guys now, not anet nor the community will be able to pin anything on them…..they are a great evil server. lol – all the hate posts just help them climb their ladders of choice heh!!

anet has no idea how much fun they are missing out by not including evil, neutral and goodies as an alignment in gw2 – further, anet employee / wvwrs will never admit they’d want to be part of an evil guild…… evil players that pretend to be goodies are why neutrals exist. ^.^

psss – the key is remembering this is an “RPG” game, cops need robbers. don’t take it personal, it’s just a game. it only stops being fun when you forget it’s just a game.

They are very good at role playing being in the game for the fights for sure then.

I hope they knock themselves out bashing empty objectives all week. After all, they worked so hard to get there. I gave them a whole week because I genuinely believed fight was why they were in the game. I won’t make the same mistake a second week.

Ogre.3124:

We’re currently resting at a ~2.48 kill-to-death ratio. This is after reset without the use of troll siege at your spawn or banners. This is also the highest kdr in both NA and EU servers. Maguuma has been known as a server with quality players over quantity throughout the years. Having equal numbers is understandable that you’re being farmed. The wall of ballistas at your spawn was a message that we owned you rather than anything to do with your intelligence. All in good fun at your expense.

With the roaming I have never lost a 1v1 to any person from either Darkhaven nor SoS. Which mind you is expected as I play an over-powered class (non-expansion warrior). This week you will be farmed again. The only way to ease the passing is to stop ppt’ing. You don’t want to be like SoS who told their guilds in TS to run away from Mag guilds in order to get rid of us through boredom. This is so they could PvD/PvE with no contention. This plan is flawed as being scared PPT rats will only prolong the ownage. Just give up with the ppt. Darkhaven has the right idea of going for fights only.

I was on Maguuma for 2 years so I have a pretty good idea of the server mentality. It is also why I’m so disappointed to be honest. At no moment last week were we farmed at equal number. I would know since I was there everyday and had to empty my bags a lot at spawn from killing you lot until the emergency WP would be called in or the nearby zerg recalled to prevent a wipe on your side.

For a server that used to pride itself with fights and not ppt I find it funny that you accuse others of being ppt rats after what you did. You have been ppt try harding in massive zergs all weeks and made even fights impossible despite having countless occasions to enjoy them. Having ballistas at spawn is not a sign of you owning anything. It’s a sign of you not wanting a fight on equal footing (never mind you guys also having numerical advantage 95% of the time). The only way your move make any sense is if you care more about PPT than fights even when the week was already won for you long ago.

If PPT was your goal then, well played. Honestly. But please, stop pretending you are a fight server. You fool no one.

Caedrion.6104:

Was going for " comparing sizes.." but pebbles seemed more suiting rly

29 in a row atm..

I’ve stopped trying to make sense of other players behavior, it was driving me mad. Now I do my dailies and it’s bye bye pvp.

style.6173:

I can’t imagine any zerg chasing a solo roamer “across the map”. I call bs.

I assure you it’s real.

Puck.9612:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Puck.9612:

I’m enjoying T3.
Mags ratio is
Kills: 19,883
Deaths: 8,760
Ratio: 2.27

To be fair, how could it be any different in the context? I mean, ofc the overwhelmingly superior force will kill a lot more and easier than it is killed.

Overwhelming superior force depends on the time of day. I get off work about 9 am est and we normally have the outnumbered buff up yet we’re still bag farming the hell out of everyone we run across.

The forum mods wont let me say what I would like to say but I’ll simply add that the statistics you use above are not just a reflection of your personnal skirmishes. It reflect the entire match-up.

Ogre.3124:

Ricky.4706:

Invulnerable, Evade, Block., Block, Block.

I was seeing that on people who weren’t in downed states, didn’t come up from downed states either, over and over …I’ve never seen anything like it before…is this a new feature ? and if so, what’s the build that causes this god mode ?

they were constantly going invulnerable. and I mean lots of people were going invulnerable. Not just one profession.

If you’re talking about at Maguuma’s spawncamping of DH (by your other posts you are) this was me doing this. Was using our turtle banner off of respawn which gives a spammable block bubble, a 4 skill which slows your skills (gives us resistance), a 3 skill which gives aoe invulnerable (only 3-4 seconds), and my favorite the 5 skill which knocks back your entire zerg for 4-5k damage.

Typically you want to focus fire anyone holding either a centaur or turtle banner. Should notice me pretty easily as I sit in the big green block bubble which I generate all the time. Warrior with the green/red scarf, come get me plz

So there also was a banner in all this orgy of sieges, cheese and overblobbing? Thinking back on the the 2 years I’ve spent on Mag make me feel shameful when I see you behave from the other side of the mirror this week… so sad…

Dal.5872:

Sounds like one of the new Tempest builds, Diamond skin I believe shows “invulnerable” to conditions unless below 90% health. That on top of there huge health regen and couple of block skills are possibly it.

The mesmer build someone mentioned before also a possibility, more unlikely would be a perma evade thief but I don’t know where the blocks would be generated from.

Except what you describe sounds like the old tempest. The new DS doesn’t make you invulnerable. Why do you think there are so many necros in pvp now?

There is a lot worse than the current ele regarding the orgy of block, evade, invul that some can abuse. Scrapper, rev, mesmers are far worse. The only thing that is a tad too good on ele is the focus invul (if you play with it) that has a relatively too low CD.

Puck.9612:

I’m enjoying T3.
Mags ratio is
Kills: 19,883
Deaths: 8,760
Ratio: 2.27

To be fair, how could it be any different in the context? I mean, ofc the overwhelmingly superior force will kill a lot more and easier than it is killed.