“I know I am the constant but my teammates are still bad.’’
That isn’t logic, thats excuses. Sometimes you get bad teammates, sometimes you get good teammates. So consider those two cases a wash. In the games where its pretty even for teammate skill, YOU make the difference! It really isnt that hard to comprehend.
If you continue to blame the system for all your failures and yourself for all your success you will never improve. Its really that simple.
Do you ever use arguments when you discuss or are empty ideologies all you got?
I’d like you to take an argument others have used (as opposed to one you have mutilated and reconstructed) that you disagree with and tear it apart with LOGIC not baseless mantras like “everything is an excuse”. Mantras are not arguments (and that particular mantra makes as much sense as Marc Rubio saying “we are not a nation of have and have not but a nation of have and soon to have”).
You say that "I know I am the constant but my teammates are still bad’’ is not logic, and you are right it is merely a statement. But the problem is this was not the arguments people have repeatedly given and that are not mere statements nor excuses. When you deform what people say and actually argue about to thereafter “demonstrate” they are wrong or ridiculous you merely construct what we call a straw man. Now what is your excuse to resort to such lame tactics?
I think you are shifting from one topic to another in this thread.
I am responding to part of it only, the part my first quoted sentence sums up. There are people in this thread and in other threads who blame the system and their teammates for their losses instead of looking at themselves. The whole notion of MMR hell or of certain accounts getting lucky is a manifestation of this sentiment. I would go back and quote all of the people directly but you can read a few of thoses responses further up on this page of the thread. There is always a caveat to why they lose, it was the team, the MM algo, the composition, etc. My “argument” is that over many games all of those tend to cancel out, leaving only oneself as the constant to either admonish or commend.
If you are talking about the suggestions in this thread regarding decoupling of Division from Reward and of taking the safety gates off of Emerald and Sapphire then, sure, I agree.
In response to calling what I am doing strawmanning, maybe, but if so you are just as guilty as I am. You write these long paragraphs and empty platitudes but they always circle back to “my team is bad, I am not, this is unfair for (reasons)”. So many of the responses in this thread center around, “one person cant carry, therefore MMR cannot be used in this game.” To which I respond with examples of other games using MMR, your criticism of “no division gating” in those games is nearly useless. That changes nothing about the core concept of individual MMR correlating to team wins and losses only. The fact that those other games have millions of players in the competitive landscape and they continue to use this system SHOULD tell you that it works. GW2 isnt a special snowflake, MMR like that works here, people just cant accept negative feedback in a carebear game.
I’ll speak for myself and sum up, again, what I see as a problem and what that means for me.
When I say I see an issue with the system I do not say this based on a few games only. I clearly see a trend over a lot of games. Beside, I do not remember anybody ever complaining this much about the teammates they were given as the reason they would get stuck before this season. The complains were more about how ppl would cheese unfair match themselves by pairing with strong lower ranking players to dupe the MM.
Of course all players carry their own responsibility in all the games they play. All of them. And not all games they play are won or lost because of them or despite them. However, the team you are given is definitely. in my experience so far, an often true enough reason that largely (not entirely but largely) explain a lot of losses I had in matches we should not have loss at all.
It is remarkable for me, as well as many others apparently, how “rich” in diversity and experience in pvp the teammates you can get even in a division that logically should be above average (ruby). You would expect the bottom of the ruby barrel to still know the basics of the pvp but it clearly is not true at all and sometimes mindblowingly so.
How is it that we still have players at that point in the season that will go straight for beast at start (despite being a support some times), never try to stomp or rez anything, never care about looking at the map, repeatedly go for an obvious unfair fight on a cap his team doesn’t control, do not drop his supply for door breakers but go straight mid to get more, will want to win by defense on stronghold when his team has 100 pts less than his opponent etc. They are supposed to be of my level? That is downright insulting and plain wrong no matter what you think or say.
But, knowing how the “reward ladder track” work and how the algorithm make teams, it is not surprising either nor an excuse that some will be more victims than others. It make sense and is to be expected. These players that will get the short stick will have to play more often than others with really inexperienced people and loose despite them trying very hard to carry. This will lead them to slowly be reevaluated toward the bottom of the barrel and see their probabilities of being paired with these players increased and so on and so forth.
to avoid that effect 2 things should be done:
1) Remove all pip protections.
2) Formulate teams randomly within a given pip range to avoid MMR polarization instead of MMR testing.
