Guild Wars 2

Browrain.7346:

People will convince themselves by any means necessary that it’s the system screwing them over. That it can’t possibly be their lack of skill. The same thing happens irl. There’s a term for it but it’s escaping me…

Is it possible that the system has a vice in it? The way several of you address this it’s just not possible because you did not have any problem with it therefore there are none.

There is something ironic to your comment in the sense it can be turned back against you perfectly. People will convince themselves by any means necessary that the system can’t be responsible for others getting it way harder and possibly stuck. That if they were as skillful as us the successful, they would not be where they are now. And you are completely right that it is the same irl. Both side would have to reevaluate all of their core belief and perceptions about their own success if they ever were to be proven wrong… and this is something that they will seek to avoid at all cost. Cognitive dissonance might be one of the terms “escaping you”…

Name.9128:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

basz.6129:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

basz.6129:

D’awwwwwww, right in the feels! Peeveepee is a place for player conflict, and conflict resolution. As wiser men than me once said, If you can’t take the heat, get the kitten out of ranked you filthy casual! If you QQ over getting called names, uninstall and log onto your safeplace. Oh! I hope anyone bringing their warrior into ranked, that doesn’t know what they are doing, gets Lou Gherig’s disease. Goes double for thieves, eles, engi’s, necro, mes, guardian, and ranger. Lel, those troll posts tho

And apparently a great place to miss the point others are putting forth but I guess at least you are good at pvp…

Plox tell me moar about this elusive point that I, and not you poor sir, have missed. Then tell me moar about how I’m good at pvp, I think you were really onto something with that train of thought.

For reals tho ladydude, this isn’t preschool in a blue state. If you don’t like ‘fighting’ other people whom will inevitably get a leettle salty, the fantasy world where teamwork and camraderie prevail is right through the portal to Lion’s Arch.

It’s not a matter of getting a thicker skin but a matter of just no minimizing the behavior anymore you would for someone racist or sexist. Of course nobody is going to die and ppl can just walk away but that is beside the point you just don’t do it and you don’t encourage or minimize it.

I feel like you’re a Tumblr user.

Sry I don’t use that. :P

basz.6129:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

basz.6129:

D’awwwwwww, right in the feels! Peeveepee is a place for player conflict, and conflict resolution. As wiser men than me once said, If you can’t take the heat, get the kitten out of ranked you filthy casual! If you QQ over getting called names, uninstall and log onto your safeplace. Oh! I hope anyone bringing their warrior into ranked, that doesn’t know what they are doing, gets Lou Gherig’s disease. Goes double for thieves, eles, engi’s, necro, mes, guardian, and ranger. Lel, those troll posts tho

And apparently a great place to miss the point others are putting forth but I guess at least you are good at pvp…

Plox tell me moar about this elusive point that I, and not you poor sir, have missed. Then tell me moar about how I’m good at pvp, I think you were really onto something with that train of thought.

For reals tho ladydude, this isn’t preschool in a blue state. If you don’t like ‘fighting’ other people whom will inevitably get a leettle salty, the fantasy world where teamwork and camraderie prevail is right through the portal to Lion’s Arch.

It’s not a matter of getting a thicker skin but a matter of just no minimizing the behavior anymore you would for someone racist or sexist. Of course nobody is going to die and ppl can just walk away but that is beside the point you just don’t do it and you don’t encourage or minimize it.

Crimson Shi.5047:

Well there is no point to be made here, the guy was posting as a joke. Meanwhile treating this post like this some kind of tumblr [TRIGGERED] post is just idk really not needed. Report, block, challenge him to a duel if you want. If he pops up in your team, and you’re suspecting he may try to sabotage your match, then record it before hand then turn it in. It’s a game, we’re not competing for the Nobel Peace Prize here.

Did he confirmed it?

basz.6129:

D’awwwwwww, right in the feels! Peeveepee is a place for player conflict, and conflict resolution. As wiser men than me once said, If you can’t take the heat, get the kitten out of ranked you filthy casual! If you QQ over getting called names, uninstall and log onto your safeplace. Oh! I hope anyone bringing their warrior into ranked, that doesn’t know what they are doing, gets Lou Gherig’s disease. Goes double for thieves, eles, engi’s, necro, mes, guardian, and ranger. Lel, those troll posts tho

And apparently a great place to miss the point others are putting forth but I guess at least you are good at pvp…

Malchior.5732:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Crimson Shi.5047:

Toxic players are never going to go away, and will be a part of any community. Not saying to just turn a blind eye but honestly it’s just something to accept with the gaming culture from LoL, to COD, to WoW, GW2, and so on. Block em, give a few choice words if you want, and be on your way.

Well, so is sexism and racism but will you accept to turn a blind eye on it because "there always was and always will be? Neither would I…

No one is turning a blind eye. You have the tools to stop it: Block and Report.
No one is encouraging that behavior, but a lot of these people are just trying to be offensive for the sake of it; they might not be actually racist/sexist or whatever and if they are, they are a minority (at least in the US and the UK).

So, what is the problem here? If someone is offensive, you block and report them and move on. They will be dealt with.
These toxic people will always be everywhere, but I have to say, they are quite rare and far in between. This is not a big problem.

I’m not saying it’s a problem, I’m merely reacting to the idea that they are always going to be there with what it implied for me. I just don’t like to minimize something like that even if it’s everywhere and has always been there. I mean so is death and cancer… always there always going to be… I think you get the idea.

kdaddy.5431:

Yasi.9065:

kdaddy.5431:

PadreNike.1803:

@Sirbomerdier, apparently he did play on a viewer’s account already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48jbi9/the_secret_behind_pvp_matchmaking_has_been/d0kyog4

There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.

My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.

People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.

Do you even listen to yourself?
You smurfed, abused bunkermeta and played premade vs solos and won because of that. So you basically cheated. Played against players that are NOT near your ladder position but FAR below (smurfing), you played as a kittening team against solos and you abused kittened up balancing.
And thats what you decide made you good and those in emerald average.

Newsflash, the only thing that made you… is pathetic.

Whate are you talking about? We didnt smurf anything smart guy. The people i played with all made it to ruby. No one was on other freshly made accounts, we played it as a actual team with people ranging with various skill levels.

We played ESL teams and played alot of premades. This season we have played 3 times and have won 2 and we were only a 3 man group facing full premades. All of us playing non meta builds and twice we faced a 2 rev- 1 ele, 1 engy, 1 necro premades.

Do i hear myself, yeah i do. I do think the Match making is good this season? Not really but it was better then season 1 match making. It wasnt fair for people like myself to have to face full premade ESL teams while i was still in Amber. The first patch of the PvP season many of the top players like helseth, were streaming him solo queing and facing a full car crash team while he was in Amber. Was it fair that some of the crappiest players in the game had higher division ranks the best best players in the game? And those players are grinding solo que?

I just want to say that many of the threads are cry threads. People talking about people going far is the reason they lost, no its not. People saying we have a thief, warrior or they have to many necros, no its not. Its probably you and you want to blame something.

Is MM broken? No it not, the best players should be playing the best players but when you have a league system thats based off of moving up divisions for rewards, there are going to be problems.

No offense but what you say is rather light on argumentation. People have provide legitimate arguments as to what was problematic with MM and I don’t begin to see the shadow of a counter argument. Expressing a disagreement is nothing more than an opinion. Giving your case as an example, like many have done, merely an anecdote.

As for people abusing last season they would indeed enjoy an advantage this season that they, in all honesty, do not deserve. You are rewarded for higher MMR and punished for having a lower one with what they system give you.

Not everyone who “complained” are condemning players going far or those playing non-meta (I would be a hypocrite).

Crimson Shi.5047:

Toxic players are never going to go away, and will be a part of any community. Not saying to just turn a blind eye but honestly it’s just something to accept with the gaming culture from LoL, to COD, to WoW, GW2, and so on. Block em, give a few choice words if you want, and be on your way.

Well, so is sexism and racism but will you accept to turn a blind eye on it because "there always was and always will be? Neither would I…

masterfoo.6320:

Rieselle.5079:

I was curious about how hard it is to find pugs at the moment:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/PUGing-vs-soloing

The fact that you’re starting a guild to help find pugs, does this mean the normal in game tools (lfg feature, or just asking in hotm chat) are inadequate?

Well, this isn’t simply about finding pugs; as I mention in the guild video, many of us won’t be the best players you’ve ever queued with (although we certainly have some very decent players). This is more about helping those that are stuck on those losing streaks, to help even things out a bit. I’m of the opinion that no matter how bad you are, losing 79+ games in a row shouldn’t be happening, and could be avoided by simply queuing with others that can either help you get a bit better, give you some tips, or just give you teammates that will fight to the end, making much better overall matches that are more competitive.

I never had anything close to such loosing streaks but your initiative is really a good idea. I can only sympathize with people stuck in bad spots and condemn to dig their own grave or stop playing. Kudos.

kdaddy.5431:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

kdaddy.5431:

PadreNike.1803:

@Sirbomerdier, apparently he did play on a viewer’s account already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48jbi9/the_secret_behind_pvp_matchmaking_has_been/d0kyog4

There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.

My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.

People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.

I myself carried quite a few ppl on my bunker ele. I still do. However, there are limits. You immediately see the difference when those you play with need babysitting or they don’t. If you can’t tell that difference you might not be as good as you think you are.

A few things,

1- i dont hold myself as high of a level player as ESL Pros or people who say they can carry. All i can simply do is make sure i win my 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and run builds with good speed to make sure i can get to another point as quick as possible to win that fight.

2- There is no such thing as a ele carry build. You are a support shout player or you are running some hybrid build which means you better be great at +1 or winning 1 vs 1 quickly otherwise you are the down fall to your own team.

There is no such thing as an ele carry build but that doesn’t prevent anyone to do their best to carry anyway. How do you call successfully keeping several players on you to free your teammates? How do you call keeping alive bombers despite the enemy and your so called partners wandering after butterflies?

Is it easy and always possible? No. I never pretended this but it did happen several times with the build I run. I even had opponent congratulating me for, wait for it, carrying my team so hard by enduring many on my back while keeping/contesting long enough to make a difference despite all going against me.

But I digress, what do I know of these things… I’m just a lowly ruby who think he is better than he actually is…

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Burn.5401:

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

http://i.imgur.com/QriDoq1.jpg

You will have to explain to me why the “wisdon” of the guy is relevant in any way shape or form?

I mean, I get that you can just walk away but how does it make any difference in describing what the people indulging in such sad behavior do?

Oh, you probably want to imply to the people talking of cyber-bullying that they play victim right? Sadly depending on the context it can be a lot more complicated than that…

I shall stop here before we go farther on that tangent. Let’s just say that I’m not sure I would ignore that behavior and blame the “victim” more than I would the offender.

He was joking

I feel so old now

I’m really loosing touch…

Burn.5401:

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

http://i.imgur.com/QriDoq1.jpg

You will have to explain to me why the “wisdon” of the guy is relevant in any way shape or form?

I mean, I get that you can just walk away but how does it make any difference in describing what the people indulging in such sad behavior do?

Oh, you probably want to imply to the people talking of cyber-bullying that they play victim right? Sadly depending on the context it can be a lot more complicated than that…

I shall stop here before we go farther on that tangent. Let’s just say that I’m not sure I would ignore that behavior and blame the “victim” more than I would the offender.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

As a WvW veteran, albeit not since beta, I’d just like to say a few things before I part ways with the game.

First, I’ll probably be on sometimes for dailys.
Second, I don’t plan to drop this and never come back. I will very likely revisit in the future to see how things have changed.
And third, I’m not angrily storming out the door with a spite for the game and a grudge against the company.

Gw2 has been a huge part of my life for over 2 years now. As someone who has severe social anxiety and a few other disabilities, some being physical and some being mental, it has really helped my lack of a social life even if not in the absolute most positive way. Most of the community has been great and I’ve made some intimate friends, 98% of them being through WvW.

I stuck with WvW through the good and the bad, mostly the bad and I don’t regret a thing. I hope it sees a more positive future because as of now, it’s simply too much of a mess to fully enjoy anymore. The only thing that has kept me around even this long is the wonderful community that I’m always eager to chat with when I sign back in.

I’m not looking for sympathy and I’m definitely not going to give you all my things. I just want to say my goodbyes because even if I don’t know you, I may have met you roaming at some point or another and even if neither of those… I’m sure I would love to have gotten to know you!

See you when ever <3

End Game stats from my two main girls attached below ~

Hey you are on my server now so you can’t do that!

Took you guys long enough to get to the club… But don’t worry, ppl assured me that it’s all in my head and that there is no such loophole in the system… I’m really that bad in fact.

Malchior.5732:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

It’s a sad reality where ppl want to win at all cost and their victories to mean whatever they need to. I have all the sympathy in the world for you. Rest assure I will never ask you to play something you don’t want to. Winning is not worth that much.

I’m pretty sure his post was satire.

how is that satire

I’ll entertain you I guess.

“Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something”

Considering your post history and that you play a lot of PvP (claiming Diamond or higher) then it’s safe to assume you know how to block people and that getting mean PMs shouldn’t bother you much when it happens.
Sounds more like this is a “buff Warrior” thread.

“they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff”

I don’t think anyone would say they’re going to come to your house and kill you just for playing Warrior. If anything, they’d say you’re bad (with slurs, of course).
The last part of the sentence also kinda gives it away; if you’re actually distraught, I feel like you’d be more specific that just “and all that mean stuff”.

To be fair, I’ve witness worse than ppl telling others to kill themselves…

Well that’s the thing, they didn’t say “kill yourself”, they said they personally would go kill them. Allegedly.
Regardless, it’s not about how bad what they said is, it’s whether it’s real or not.

I agree, but the scary part for me is it’s not this obvious in the context of what I have witnessed. Sadly…

warbignime.4610:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warbignime.4610:

nativity.3057:

Why do people use this argument to belittle those who complain about matchmaking?
This kind of logic would make sense in games like LoL or Dota because in those games, when you get kills, you progressively get stronger due to item purchases. That means yes, one person can solo wipe the enemy team because they are exponentially stronger in terms of stats than the enemy.
This is parallel to EoTM or WvW, where level 80s (+/- elite specs) can solo wipe rally bots up-levels.

But it doesn’t work for PvP, where your stats are constant. Even if you get a kill, you won’t be able to kill them faster in the next encounter.
To carry, you should be able to play 1v2 and win? Again, it’s easier in LoL to double kill than it is in GW2. You both have the same number distribution of stats, so even if you play perfectly (which would award you a win in a 1v1 situation not counting class counters), in a 1v2 situation, your enemy must play worse than you. It gets increasingly hard to 1v3, 1v4, and nearly impossible to 1v5.

Say you can 1v2, that means you now rely on your teammates to win the 4v3. That’s not carrying at all, that means you need to have competent teammates.
Not to mention not having competent enemies who can also 1v2.

Then how do you explain LordHelseth winning non stop with low mmr account? He did that, twice with two different low mmr account already to prove his point.

Can I have a vid and a proof of the account being low MMR while being used in the context of the current algorithm plz?

Having low win ratio?

Yeah, sure. In the context if this algorithm of course since before that it was not pairing ppl the same way at all.

Malchior.5732:

lighter.2708:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

It’s a sad reality where ppl want to win at all cost and their victories to mean whatever they need to. I have all the sympathy in the world for you. Rest assure I will never ask you to play something you don’t want to. Winning is not worth that much.

I’m pretty sure his post was satire.

how is that satire

I’ll entertain you I guess.

“Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something”

Considering your post history and that you play a lot of PvP (claiming Diamond or higher) then it’s safe to assume you know how to block people and that getting mean PMs shouldn’t bother you much when it happens.
Sounds more like this is a “buff Warrior” thread.

“they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff”

I don’t think anyone would say they’re going to come to your house and kill you just for playing Warrior. If anything, they’d say you’re bad (with slurs, of course).
The last part of the sentence also kinda gives it away; if you’re actually distraught, I feel like you’d be more specific that just “and all that mean stuff”.

To be fair, I’ve witness worse than ppl telling others to kill themselves…

warbignime.4610:

nativity.3057:

Why do people use this argument to belittle those who complain about matchmaking?
This kind of logic would make sense in games like LoL or Dota because in those games, when you get kills, you progressively get stronger due to item purchases. That means yes, one person can solo wipe the enemy team because they are exponentially stronger in terms of stats than the enemy.
This is parallel to EoTM or WvW, where level 80s (+/- elite specs) can solo wipe rally bots up-levels.

But it doesn’t work for PvP, where your stats are constant. Even if you get a kill, you won’t be able to kill them faster in the next encounter.
To carry, you should be able to play 1v2 and win? Again, it’s easier in LoL to double kill than it is in GW2. You both have the same number distribution of stats, so even if you play perfectly (which would award you a win in a 1v1 situation not counting class counters), in a 1v2 situation, your enemy must play worse than you. It gets increasingly hard to 1v3, 1v4, and nearly impossible to 1v5.

Say you can 1v2, that means you now rely on your teammates to win the 4v3. That’s not carrying at all, that means you need to have competent teammates.
Not to mention not having competent enemies who can also 1v2.

Then how do you explain LordHelseth winning non stop with low mmr account? He did that, twice with two different low mmr account already to prove his point.

Can I have a vid and a proof of the account being low MMR while being used in the context of the current algorithm plz?

Kayberz.5346:

Its not about being able to carry EVERY game, you realistically cant, its about playing to win to carry MOST games

Saying the advice is invalid because it doesnt work 100% of the time is idiotic, but thats the response being given over and over “its impossible to carry 4 terrible players every game” ok, stop with the hyperbole saying ALL your games are unwinable/uncarryiable, using pessimistic excuses isnt going to help you win, people would rather dismiss good advice and play the victim. Because taking the advice and using it would require for them to acknowledge that they were wrong in their current approach
And if you really cant carry ANY games, then there’s your answer, you ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH, GET BETTER!!! But of course, the ego fueled raggers will always take any kind of critique on their skill as a hostile personal insult.

Which will largely depend on how heavy your load is… It is true having a self defeating attitude won’t help but being unrealistic is just as bad and set you in a path to failure that will lessen your ability to see positively. And so on…

Lord Kuru.3685:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

It’s a sad reality where ppl want to win at all cost and their victories to mean whatever they need to. I have all the sympathy in the world for you. Rest assure I will never ask you to play something you don’t want to. Winning is not worth that much.

I’m pretty sure his post was satire.

kitten you sure? I’m getting bad at this game if it was.

velmeister.4187:

Stop playing. Absolutely stop playing for the time being. Come back the next day after reset and try again. This is important.

I went from a 20 loss streak to 66% win rate by taking breaks like that. I won’t tell you to “git gud” because I do not know you and it’s generally stupid to say something like that. But, if you stop playing after 3 losses, it will help you, in many cases, to recollect yourself and help others not to have you in the party who is probably not in the best mental state to deal with the pressure.

If this suggestion helps someone, I will feel “gud”.

I will +1 this message just because of the way it was delivered.

lighter.2708:

Getting cyber bullied for playing warrior, anet please do something
they say they want to come to my house and kill me and all that mean stuff

It’s a sad reality where ppl want to win at all cost and their victories to mean whatever they need to. I have all the sympathy in the world for you. Rest assure I will never ask you to play something you don’t want to. Winning is not worth that much.

Firebird.8324:

Ok Anet devs who handle rewards, I have a Lavish Llama AND the wings, please add something soon for me to spend my 75 pvp league tickets on, or I will be Extremely bored, I WANT that carrot at the end of the stick!

Isn’t the game reward enough?

Gratz btw.

Shaogin.2679:

Amazing how fast this gets thrown to page 2. It’s like people would rather complain about thing they really have no clue about and point fingers, rather than proactively try to make a better experience for themselves. Just……..incredible.

Who is complaining here save you? I see a lot of ppl showing a lot of positivism. How is it bad that such a thread grow in size? I just don’t get it.

dominik.9721:

The best score means you did the most usefull things.
I’m always best in red team because I run with my necromancer between far and close to cap points. Why would you want to remove it? It’s a good indicator to show how good and experienced you are.

I never want you in my team. Like, EVER.

Edit: So it was sarcasm… You need practice on Internet.

Kayberz.5346:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

OMG let it go already! Some of us like to play non-meta build and yes, we understand it is a risky prospect but come on build =/= skill. The cheesemantalist I play now is ridiculously braindead ez (as are most meta build atm to be fair) to play as opposed to what I like to and still can do very good with. However the system doesn’t consider you taking a higher degree of difficulty when you presented yourself in a match when it rank you after you lost a match and it won’t suddenly augment my rating if a switch to braindead builds. I will have to reacquire victory while now plague by less than stellar teammates.

Had I play it safe from day 1 things might very well have been differently. They are not and I continue to pay for it. But there is zero question about the level of 80% of the player I am fed by the algorithm relative to mine. It is not up to debate by ppl like you.

You only have yourself to blame for bringing suboptimal builds into ranked
Last night i got bored of playing the same classes in ranked, so i hopped on my mesmer because its my favorite class to play, but i queueed into UNRANKED because i wasnt going to burden my team or myself with a suboptimal build for ranked

Your low MMR is your own fault. Period, bad luck can only account for so much deviation from your true average MMR. If its below 50% and you have a few hundred/thousand games played, the trend over a long period of time is indicating you lose more often than you win. These last 2 weeks shouldn’t have a big enough impact on your mmr unlesss your brand new to pvp

I do not dispute the “you only have yourself to blame” part. I blame the logic behind saying my skill level lies with the guys I’m now given. Hey, I still made it to ruby so far with a MMR that suffered from 2 seasons of me playing 60% on non-meta builds. Not too bad all things considered. Just don’t tell me I’m where I belong with the people I’m fed. It’s just beyond kitten.

If brand new players are awarded average MMR and mine was lowered to a tad above 50% (guesstimate based on winning overall more than I loose despite my builds) by playing riskier it’s not surprising that I’m paired with brand new players. The problem is, I’m not a brand new player at all and my MMR now continue to take a dive but not because I’m now a cheesemancer and I play as bad as my teammates but because I’m with sacs of potatoes who wants the shinies and the APs.

BTW. Had I known from last season that they were to change the way match-making would be formulated I would have been a lot more careful about pampering my MMR than I did. Sux to be me I guess.

OMG let it go already! Some of us like to play non-meta build and yes, we understand it is a risky prospect but come on build =/= skill. The cheesemantalist I play now is ridiculously braindead ez (as are most meta build atm to be fair) to play as opposed to what I like to and still can do very good with. However the system doesn’t consider you taking a higher degree of difficulty when you presented yourself in a match when it rank you after you lost a match and it won’t suddenly augment my rating if a switch to braindead builds. I will have to reacquire victory while now plague by less than stellar teammates.

Had I play it safe from day 1 things might very well have been differently. They are not and I continue to pay for it. But there is zero question about the level of 80% of the player I am fed by the algorithm relative to mine. It is not up to debate by ppl like you.

azyume.6321:

Aereniel.7356:

Just a friendly tip regarding carrying, not just for you specifically but to everybody in general. The most efficient carry profession/role is dependent on the level of play you are in. Please be aware that I’m talking generalities here, and everything I say might not apply to every single individual match. Support is not a very good carry in low-level games, because support is an enabler role. Even if you play like an elder god and support the heck out of your team mates, they will just continue to be potatoes and die left and right. All that space and time that you provide is a wasted effort and does not win games, because your inept team mates will find creative ways to f-up. Support becomes extremely valuable in mid tiers and higher up, when you can actually count on your team mates to make plays to a certain extent.

My advice for low to mid tiers is to play something like a revenant, necro or engi, because you can kill people, win team fights or carry side nodes. Good support players shine higher up, but in low-level games it’s an exercise in futility.

+1

Also, a support should never, ever be by themselves unless is for brief seconds for the team swap positions.

Support =/= Bunker

The support is actually doing their team a disservice by dueling or holding a point against 2. If they are with the revenant or reaper or both would shine and most likely cap the point instead of stalling things up.

Oh I agree with that. It all depend on who I’m facing. If I know from past skirmish that they are heavy on cc and use them well I won’t even try to solo.

This was merely to illustrate the kind of things I had to live with a lot. I’m in ruby now and it is less of a problem but still happen too often that my teammates are severely lacking compared to where I am. I feel like I have to carry 8 games out of 10 and some are ridiculously heavy loads. In short the season is taking it’s toll on me.

Locuz.2651:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Loosing to “people like you” isn’t really the problem atm. It’s being paired with people not like me that is frustrating. Loosing to obviously stronger players when your team did all they could is never frustrating to me nor a bad thing.

So, really, considering all the pain others have to endure you might just want to surf you modest 2 pips to legendary and be happy with it instead of acting like an overfed diva.

One of the main reasons games are lobsided is due to MMR differential within divisions. The main purpose of MMR should be to create equal matchups. And with higher MMR players in lower divisions (due to lack of playtime) you create very uneven games.

Why do u think ppl are on losing streaks?

Higher tier players stay in in lower divisions for far to long. The system puts similar MMR players within the same division together in a team first. After that they match them up with whats left in that division.

If you push the higher MMR players out faster the skill difference within the same division will be smaller. Its a win win situation.

I can see the merit of the idea but in the current context you look like an overfed guy asking for more food among people starving. I get the logical angle but there is also an emotional impact that has to be dealt with.

Another logical suggestion could be to make the pve carrot available outside of ranked so we could get rid of all the people with “average” MMR that never set foot in PVP before. This, for me, would be an even better idea since my problem is not for ppl like you beating the living crap out of me so much as having these guys on my team while still having the kitten beaten out of me anyway.

with 2 pips per match and very few losses it shouldn’t be that long for you to reach the stars no? 3 matches per tier is quite fast already.

Rodzynald.5897:

Well I am having quite a laugh as people don’t know what to expect from me in combat.
If build is made properly or is an “off-spring” from meta build, then such non-meta build is sometimes even stronger due to lack of knowledge and enemies don’t know how to fight it and as I said, don’t know what to expect.
The element of surprise in its finest.

I must admit I had priceless moment on my marauder staff tempest this season when everybody was avoiding me thinking I was a bunkerish waste of time only to all die under an unlikely heavy powered meteor shower. There is something terribly satisfying when you defeat an entire meta group with stuff that isn’t.

Ohoni.6057:

The solution to this is pretty simple. Take the various ingredients necessary to complete the “The Ascension” recipe, and make them so that they can be earned in a method that does not require participation in ranked league matches.

Boom.

One move, and suddenly half to 3/4 of the players in the league ranks, most of them in the lower-end of the players, will be gone from the matchmaking system, allowing the true PvPers to compete among themselves, and may the best player win.

You would still have the achievement point kitten but I agree it would probably greatly help.

Rodzynald.5897:

AegisFLCL.7623:

- Do you multi class?

If you do not, or cannot efficiently, grinding through leagues with one class is not going to work. Period!

As I’ve progressed through Ruby this season, I’ve noticed that almost every match is won due to swapping to counter a team comp. If we are not bringing the right tools to the job, why should we expect to win.

Every rule has its exception.
I play one and only guardian, and only on one build and on top of that, it is not even meta. If you know your enemy well, certain well played classes with right utilities can bring as much to the table as if multi class player. I don’t do this due to simple reason, I don’t have that much time to learn to play all classes, I choose to master one and that is enough for me and for those that I play with. The rest is up to the good rotations and tactical sense that lies within my team mates.

P.S.
I just made it to ruby and doing dangity dang good. Meta is for those less creative.

Agree completely with this even if I regret having played too creatively at the beginning of the season. Had I knew how the system work I would have kept a very conservative approach a lot more often.

This is one thing I hate about the game system atm. It punishes risks too harshly while not rewarding it much.

Shaogin.2679:

Why is this not on the front page? All the people experiencing horrible losing streaks need to see this.

Fixed.

Locuz.2651:

Jaidy.1824:

What you complaining about? At least you’re winning, many of us aren’t that fortunate and are on losing streaks, which is almost impossible to turn around.

One of the reasons u are losing is due to ppl like me being in your division for too long. Right?

Extra bonus pips for +5 winstreaks is totally in your favour. It means top tier ppl will be out of your divsion / games in no time. Therefor more even games.

Loosing to “people like you” isn’t really the problem atm. It’s being paired with people not like me that is frustrating. Loosing to obviously stronger players when your team did all they could is never frustrating to me nor a bad thing.

So, really, considering all the pain others have to endure you might just want to surf you modest 2 pips to legendary and be happy with it instead of acting like an overfed diva.

Hammerguard.9834:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Hammerguard.9834:

I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.

edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.

Because you can carry four other 4 with this meta? ?? Look last season, it was possible because each team had their share of bad; whereas this season low MMR players are grouped together and match against HIGH MMR players. I mean the outcome of that game is clear.

And also NEW account start with an average MMR, so someone who tried so hard to get to elegant last season MIGHT HAVE a LOWER MMR than a new player. Consequently, he will get matched with low MMR player while the new player has a better chance of having high MMR player on his side.

This stuff is self explanatory, all you have to do from here is connect the dots.

Look at you getting caught up in all the rioting; Making excuses for yourself, finding things to place blame on instead of just working on making yourself better at the game.

Let’s stop it right here with this everything is an excuse attitude/mantra. Some things may be excuses but some others are quite valid facts. Do not mix both please. This comment btw is more of a general comment than aimed at this particular reply. I see that attitude way too much among the “successful” and while it has merit it also too often seek to mimic ostriches.

Hammerguard.9834:

I enjoyed watching that. Very useful information for players that actually want to get better.

edit: After reading some responses it seems like many people don’t. You people are doing yourself a disservice.

I get that some people are arguing in bad faith but not all of them are. Disagreeing with you isn’t a sign ppl don’t want to improve themselves. It’s a sign they disagree based on a different experience.

I’m going to be honest here. I didn’t learned a lot by watching the vid. What Helseth says is mostly stuff I was already aware of. Specially the Moa bit and all it can do. Mesmer is the opponent I always fear he most on my bunkerish cheese ele because you are left with no defense for soooo long when he Moa you and it’s not easy to spot when he is about to do it. All great advices but after playing alongside the players I was thrown with since my last loss streak (and the contrast with ppl I had when on long win streaks is spectacular), I simply think carrying has limits.

For example, when I go mid to try and aggro 2-3 players on me and tank them, I hope to lessen the burden on my team and make their life that much more easier. After all, if 3 are on me at mid only 2 remains for far and home no? You would be surprised at how many games I’ve had where I could keep 2-3 players glued to me for minutes and where nothing was being capped elsewhere on the map. I mean, I can try to carry but kitten there are limits. The irony is I’m making 0 personal score for this while my team enjoy the fruits of my ploy and sometimes point back at me for my low score when we loose… joy.

Jelzouki.4128:

This is the Guild Wars 2 community. It’s PvP is poisoned with PvErs and nobody wants to take advice from a really good player.this is advice for solo q, he’s not even talking about tournament play! Anyone who doubts the advice he outlined in his stream would be crazy to do so, he made very good points and it is really saddening to see how stubborn people are, to the point of them not listening to a pro player. These are the same people who go on 22 loss streaks, double dodge, don’t count dodges, rotate into lossed fights, don’t cleave, don’t focus the same target, spams their skills etc.

I don’t see that many ppl doubting his advice. What people are doubting is the ability of one player, no matter how good he can be, to carry any kind of players no matter what they do.

Silverstone.4539:

it really feels like im play a 9 vs 1 game half the time. yelling at my screen in the hope they might hear me. I ever type it, but they’re in the blood rage and don’t read. this is soul destroying.

I Know right. But fortunately, we have players who can carry 4 of these people all the way to winning streaks and beyond.

Last match I had I was paired with a guild and was like YES! They will have good com and will organize alone no problem! Won’t need to type much. Oh boy… first thing I knew they all came to help me at waterfall even tho I had finished my fight and was already capping. They not only joined me, they stayed together inside waterfall to cap it like one big family… But I’m at this level so I should just accept it and stop lying o myself…

kdaddy.5431:

PadreNike.1803:

@Sirbomerdier, apparently he did play on a viewer’s account already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48jbi9/the_secret_behind_pvp_matchmaking_has_been/d0kyog4

There was a reason why people qued with lesser ranked people last season. Last season when i was in ruby and we had 2 people in our guild in emerald. 2-3 of us were literally winning 1 vs 2 all game. In the bunker meta no less, we literally had about 5 games were we sent 2 far, 2 mid, 1 home and simply camped the respawn and won 500-50.

My guild mates got to sapphire and ruby and the competition got better, then they changed it. At that point i was in legendary 1-2 and my friends who were in sapphire felt the same pain as we were facing Team PZ, Radioactive, GASM among other teams with full legendary players.

People in this game say it takes no skill, spam spam, blah blah blah but the evidence is everywhere. When i can 1 vs 2 the so called average players and then i face ESL level players and lose 99% of the time in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2. There is a serious skill gap between the bottom-average-good-great players. But many do not want to accept that.

I myself carried quite a few ppl on my bunker ele. I still do. However, there are limits. You immediately see the difference when those you play with need babysitting or they don’t. If you can’t tell that difference you might not be as good as you think you are.

PadreNike.1803:

@Sirbomerdier, apparently he did play on a viewer’s account already:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/48jbi9/the_secret_behind_pvp_matchmaking_has_been/d0kyog4

Sure, but was it MY account? Was that other account getting fed the teammates I am? No. It’s worthless to me as I have nothing to compare it to.

ronpierce.2760:

KreatE.7612:

much skill such balance
This new mmr is HILARIOUS and i’m loving every second of it. ALTHOUGH, I have had to hard carry plenty of games I would have otherwise lost. But still…. the advantage is so ridiculous on average.

S2 is glorious.

Realistically, when everyone is thrown into a single tier at the start, and MMR matches people to others with relatively close skill, AND they are good enough to make the higher tiers, there’s really nothing that should be all that surprising about it. The new MMR isn’t broken, it’s just different, and does close to no hand-holding, which is why you see outliers with huge win steaks and losses, because realistically, that’s feasible until people get to (or are stuck in) an appropriate division. Unfortunately, people don’t understand that on a system that tries to rank people against one another, there are often clear cut losers, and Amber/emerald might actually be where people belong. It sucks, but someone has to be that person. Luckily for them, at least they can grind their way to Sapphire and maybe even Ruby, but that’s leniency on the developer’s part.

Now, before I get hopped all over, I realize there may be a few unluckies who got swept up in a bad chain of events. I’m going to be honest though, and say I can safely assume that isn’t the majority of people upset with Season 2, which in many cases is just a hard wake up call for people who no longer get paired with people intentionally to carry them (Unranked). And then there are those who tanked their MMR in the past, which I can’t really feel sorry for…

Anyways, as it evens out through the divisions, it’s not as bad as people think. The bigger problem seems to be sore losers and what to do with them, along with wonky class Balance which favors a certain few, likely making it easier for them to get their wins.

I disagree. It IS broken if the metric is used to rank an individual based on ever changing team results. It’s utter crap for soloq. If you were on same team and same build always I could see a point for it but that is FAR from what soloqer’s do.

Sorel.4870:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?

I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.

That would actually be a great watch if you did that. I don’t know how good you are, but I have seen games on his stream where he carries a lot, so it’s not impossible he would get you further than you think. Make sure to post on this forum if you do something like this one day.

I guarantee you I will.

PadreNike.1803:

Yasi.9065:

Its fascinating how much he is full of kittens :o

Do you think he actually believes those kittens he is spouting?

Yes, he has an attitude but you can’t deny he really is a great player and delivers when he plays (if you ever watched his stream).

The thing is every player worth is salt that I know of is already in diamond/legendary and i’m wondering if they really are “favored” by the matchmaking gods?

If every player “worth their salt” that you know had a positive MMR with this algorithm they were never fed garbage by the current algorithm. In other words, what does it prove at all regarding the issue ppl have?

PadreNike.1803:

http://www.twitch.tv/thelordhelseth/v/52274472?t=04h16m47s

Worth a watch, what do you guys think? is the system favoring higher MMR players or are we all just refusing to admit we aren’t as good as we think?

Can I give his Majesty O the great Lord Helseth my gaming password (with Anet closely watching any suspicious transactions that might be going on while he plays on my account) and film how he manage to “carry” the teammate I’m given?

I will either learn a lot or laugh a lot… either way is fine by me… But I’m game if he is.

Wildfang.3271:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

antichecker.1675:

It might be a good suggestion for players who are on a loss streak, yet he sticks to the idea that the system is a good one.

I agree about that. This refusal to see any problem is really annoying.

I dunno. I kinda find both sides are acting the same way personally. Like trying to discredit anyone who has a more positive experience with S2’s MMR system and saying that it must be all them getting carried up the ranks and vice versa about the skills of ppl who got stuck in losing streaks.

And I think S1’s MMR system was horrid back then, at least before they fixed it mid season to counter the amber shopping premades that ran rampant where they vastly reduce their pip losses if they lose while increasing their pip gains if they win. That coupled with the system trying to enforce 50% win/loss rate made solo qing a lot more horrendous. And I will totally disagree that S1 isn’t exploitable. As a soloqer back then, I ran into quite a lot of premades that did the amber shopping thing while I ran into a lot more soloqers in S2. I stand by my statement which is based on my own personal experience that you are wrong as well, antichecker.

So far for season 2, I have more fun solo qing and while the first few matches has been blowouts either in my favor or against my favor, I start having a lot more close matches with some being comebacks in my current division. Still, I think improvements can be made to the MMR system. I would agree with whoever that suggest having a preseason to place people in different divisions so that the first day onslaught wouldn’t be too bad and new players wouldn’t get totally slaughtered by experienced people which would just lead to discouragement. There is a question though : what to do if people don’t play during preseasons to get their placements in divisions?

Both seasons are horrid for different reasons from my POV. I also despised season 1 for the manipulation that ppl were indulging in and season 2 for how it trap me with ppl who are not of my caliber at all.

That being said, I disagree about both side behaving the same way so far. Nobody who is complaining pretend there aren’t personal improvements to be made by each players thus one side acknowledge that part of the other side perspective. However when a systemic issue is brought in the discussion by my side the other seemingly close his eyes and plug his ears and proceed to speak of the individuals only.

I see one side who address the argumentation of the other side while the opposite is not true. The ppl who pointed the systemic issue they perceived were not outraged at the opponents they had to face (making argument like your tougher opponent will go away soon be patient bla-bla quite irrelevant) but at who they were paired with that were supposedly of similar strength (which is absolutely laughable from my own experience).

Any system that seeks to rate individuals based on ever changing teams performances is at best going to be iffy as kitten. At least don’t use such metric to judge individuals is what ppl like me tell you.

Kayberz.5346:

antichecker.1675:

Kayberz.5346:

antichecker.1675:

It might be a good suggestion for players who are on a loss streak, yet he sticks to the idea that the system is a good one.

I dont claim that the system is necessarily a “good” one, but its no where near as broken as some people here are claiming it to be, and its WAY better than season 1s matchmaking.
I still think we should have a separate solo queue. But at least this system is way more manageable to solo queue in than last season was as long your smart about it and dont grind your face against a brick wall out of stubbornness

The matchmaking system is WAY worse than season 1. The problem with season 1 was that noobs actually could have make their way up and it was exploitable. Now the new matching is no way better. There still are noobs carried to saphire. There are decent players stuck in soloq hell. But regardless of that, the system fails by matching strong teams vs weak teams. And I refuse to waste my time in an from beginning decided game, just so the pros can advance faster. As I allready stated some time ago: Have you seen Manchester U play an official ranked match vs an amature team from some village at the start of a new season?

Last season was exploitable, this season isnt
This season has greatly reduced the amount of premades vs full solo queuers
I stand by my statement, this season is FAR superior to season 1

It is superior in the sense it is less vulnerable to match manipulation and grind. However, it is in many ways worse in how it identify the level of the participants.

Milan.9035:

If its a really close game where you gave it your best and the teams were amazingly balanced is it really necessary that the losing team loses a pip?

just had a really amazing game. lost and lost a pip. really gets you down.

maybe next one i should just afk if its not a blowout. why the put in the effort.

also just something i have noticed since start of season 2, i have never played with people that i faced against. never. not once. same team ok sure but never an enemy players and i play a lot.

something is not right. fix it. also why are you guys not posting in pvp forums.

Loosing is loosing. Be it by 1 point or 500.

antichecker.1675:

It might be a good suggestion for players who are on a loss streak, yet he sticks to the idea that the system is a good one.

I agree about that. This refusal to see any problem is really annoying.

antichecker.1675:

AegisFLCL.7623:

Kayberz.5346:

Another note
To the players saying “my current league position doesnt reflect where i should be” ok….no duh. We are only like a 3rd of the way through the season. If you hit a brick wall, STOP PLAYING. Why are you people trying to rush so fast?
If you really believe in this “bad mmr spiral” then why are you DELIBERATELY throwing yourselves into it when your on a losing streak? Every time i start getting bad matches over and over i STOP. No point queueing into the same bad matchups, and theres no point rushing directly to your final standing in the league only to have hour long queues when all your trying to do is your daily matches.
Ill say it again, all i see is entitlement and a want for instant gratification

+1

Probably another thing that should’ve been mentioned, stop queuing past the 4th loss. Bad matchups, you’re frustrated and not playing well, not focused, lots of stuff goes into it. I always take a break if I get a few bad matches in a row.

This bull*. So the response to the broken matchmaking is, stop playing and try again later? Let’s not fix things, just avoid problems or abuse them.

To be fair to him, he is merely suggesting to get a cooler head before trying again. A nice advice for the people who didn’t already do that… or any of what was already said and doesn’t address a iota of the real problem.

masterfoo.6320:

Veneratio.1980:

First match. Down 110-20. Lost mid fight to start had home decapped too. WON
Second match. Down 220-150. Won mid but lost home and far. Scattered a bit over the map. Regrouped. WON
Third match. Lead from start to finish. Played as a team and for the first time in days pvp was fun for us all again.

That’s awesome to hear Veneratio! Maybe we should rename ourselves to the Comeback Boys

It’s games like those that inspired the guild promo video I made. I’ve got to say that it’s great to have close games like these again, and I’ve noticed that even when people don’t win, they appreciate the competitiveness rather than the stomping of one side or another.

This just kinda demonstrate how the people who were label “bad” were in fast not “bad” at all. But wait for me, I’m coming too…