Guild Wars 2

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Offair.2563:

Do the rats display the right animation now like any other race, or does it still look like they stand still and BANG headshotted?

Like every class has such telegraphic skills able to read? Warr is easy to read Besides gunflame..It’s our only non high telegraphic skill.We used to had a killshot…Kneel down.. LOOK AT MEEE,now im gonna shoot…ready to evade ? Here i go ! The change to gunflame was awesome,learn how to deal with it.Ive been fighting kittenloads of gunflames myself,sometimes im lucky,sometimes im not,kitten happens.

Uh… I run full zerk ele and I don’t have that one shot button you seem to think we are entitled to have when we run that glassy.

Beside, for the third time, how easy is it to see that animation among the usual chaos of wvw? You guys saying dodge it are just ridiculous. Duh, of course I’d dodge it if I saw it and I had the endurance for at that moment.

Now, again, of course I learned to live with these lame builds all around and accept the fact I live a very dangerous life. However, let’s not pretend there is nothing wrong about that kind of damage.

Eh you still have sustain and blocks and invulns and regen on that ele which a warri doesnt have.You people have NO kittening clue,really.NONE.You also forget that a warri able to do such hits is BUILD for it,meaning he has dropped defense line completely and is a wet kittening noodle and open to every condi spamm aswell.But qq more please.

Uh, I do have all 9 professions at lvl 80 mind you so I do have a clue. For once, It would be nice if ppl stop think of a profession as all the same no matter the spec. It’s just ridiculous. You have an abysmal difference between the cheese spec you saw in pvp for so long and a backline speck in wvw. You are unkillable in celestial gear but drop dead instantly when look at in zerk.

Yes, ele has exceptional sustain but tell me how it’s useful when you drop dead instantly without any clue among the chaos of battle? You ain’t bouncing back from a one shot button. Try one shotting even the glassiest war? It’s impossible.

Beside, AFAIK, warrior has longer (possibly more frequent too) and better invul (you can attack when endure pain is on, while you can do jack kitten while on mist form). You also have at least just as many block available. You are absolutely certain to have the chance to hit any ‘oh, kitten’ button you have on your bar and some have it on auto.

I’m not saying war is OP. It’s not at the moment. However, I call major BS on anyone telling me a glass war is just as glassy as it’s ele counter part.

Well,first of all,i was not talking about zerg fights.I do not enjoy them anymore…Its 1500 range aoe bombing with 50 lines of warding and reflect in between ando no pushes going on unless 1 guy happens to get caught in the aoe spam.Its a snoozefest for me,i was merely talking about roaming only,where i can still see enough hard counters going on.

In small scale fights gunflame won’t be anywhere as problematic because the chaos of battle won’t be as intense and it will be easier to tell when use. For some builds it will still be very hard to overcome even one on one tho.

That being said, what is the logic and fun behind the insane damage you get from that skill? You do not sacrifice more than a lot of other build out there for your damage and yet you have a lot more punch than any in return and with better range. That it can be unblockable, has an aoe and has no need to be channeled only add salt to the injury.

War is not OP but that skill has clear issue. To be fair, other skills share the guilt. This one simply is the worst of its kind and, more importantly, on topic.

Yeah it’s chaotic in zerg fights,but doesn’t that count for every other class in those fights aswell ? ABout the sacrificing part trust me,we Have to sacrifice defense line in order to make this damage,which means..No condi cleanse or stabi util trait,no dogged march,no adren hp regen,no endure pain trait..That’s a a Huge loss to our sustain.Also needing to go full zerk ( which means 19k hp and around 2.3 – 2.5k toughness ) with our only sustain being healsig + endure pain trait basically means,we dont have any sustain at all.Also the skill is Only unblockable if people build it..Signet of might is a utility which grants 6 sec of unblockable when used..that means they have to give up sig of fury,balanced stance Or endure pain util.Otherwise it means they only use the sig of precision trait which grants unblockable when a foe reaches 50%.Trust me,we dont have it all…Make a warr and try to make it happen,youl see the issues.We have to sacrfice Alot to make this work.

The chaos is the same for all but the effect of such a chaos will be a lot more important when you have 1 shot button options.

Beside, no matter how much I sacrifice on an ele it is impossible to achieve 1 button, 1 kill. And it’s the same for most other profession. You guys can and it’s not that costly all things being equal.

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Offair.2563:

Do the rats display the right animation now like any other race, or does it still look like they stand still and BANG headshotted?

Like every class has such telegraphic skills able to read? Warr is easy to read Besides gunflame..It’s our only non high telegraphic skill.We used to had a killshot…Kneel down.. LOOK AT MEEE,now im gonna shoot…ready to evade ? Here i go ! The change to gunflame was awesome,learn how to deal with it.Ive been fighting kittenloads of gunflames myself,sometimes im lucky,sometimes im not,kitten happens.

Uh… I run full zerk ele and I don’t have that one shot button you seem to think we are entitled to have when we run that glassy.

Beside, for the third time, how easy is it to see that animation among the usual chaos of wvw? You guys saying dodge it are just ridiculous. Duh, of course I’d dodge it if I saw it and I had the endurance for at that moment.

Now, again, of course I learned to live with these lame builds all around and accept the fact I live a very dangerous life. However, let’s not pretend there is nothing wrong about that kind of damage.

Eh you still have sustain and blocks and invulns and regen on that ele which a warri doesnt have.You people have NO kittening clue,really.NONE.You also forget that a warri able to do such hits is BUILD for it,meaning he has dropped defense line completely and is a wet kittening noodle and open to every condi spamm aswell.But qq more please.

Uh, I do have all 9 professions at lvl 80 mind you so I do have a clue. For once, It would be nice if ppl stop think of a profession as all the same no matter the spec. It’s just ridiculous. You have an abysmal difference between the cheese spec you saw in pvp for so long and a backline speck in wvw. You are unkillable in celestial gear but drop dead instantly when look at in zerk.

Yes, ele has exceptional sustain but tell me how it’s useful when you drop dead instantly without any clue among the chaos of battle? You ain’t bouncing back from a one shot button. Try one shotting even the glassiest war? It’s impossible.

Beside, AFAIK, warrior has longer (possibly more frequent too) and better invul (you can attack when endure pain is on, while you can do jack kitten while on mist form). You also have at least just as many block available. You are absolutely certain to have the chance to hit any ‘oh, kitten’ button you have on your bar and some have it on auto.

I’m not saying war is OP. It’s not at the moment. However, I call major BS on anyone telling me a glass war is just as glassy as it’s ele counter part.

Well,first of all,i was not talking about zerg fights.I do not enjoy them anymore…Its 1500 range aoe bombing with 50 lines of warding and reflect in between ando no pushes going on unless 1 guy happens to get caught in the aoe spam.Its a snoozefest for me,i was merely talking about roaming only,where i can still see enough hard counters going on.

In small scale fights gunflame won’t be anywhere as problematic because the chaos of battle won’t be as intense and it will be easier to tell when use. For some builds it will still be very hard to overcome even one on one tho.

That being said, what is the logic and fun behind the insane damage you get from that skill? You do not sacrifice more than a lot of other build out there for your damage and yet you have a lot more punch than any in return and with better range. That it can be unblockable, has an aoe and has no need to be channeled only add salt to the injury.

War is not OP but that skill has clear issue. To be fair, other skills share the guilt. This one simply is the worst of its kind and, more importantly, on topic.

Caedmon.6798:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Caedmon.6798:

Offair.2563:

Do the rats display the right animation now like any other race, or does it still look like they stand still and BANG headshotted?

Like every class has such telegraphic skills able to read? Warr is easy to read Besides gunflame..It’s our only non high telegraphic skill.We used to had a killshot…Kneel down.. LOOK AT MEEE,now im gonna shoot…ready to evade ? Here i go ! The change to gunflame was awesome,learn how to deal with it.Ive been fighting kittenloads of gunflames myself,sometimes im lucky,sometimes im not,kitten happens.

Uh… I run full zerk ele and I don’t have that one shot button you seem to think we are entitled to have when we run that glassy.

Beside, for the third time, how easy is it to see that animation among the usual chaos of wvw? You guys saying dodge it are just ridiculous. Duh, of course I’d dodge it if I saw it and I had the endurance for at that moment.

Now, again, of course I learned to live with these lame builds all around and accept the fact I live a very dangerous life. However, let’s not pretend there is nothing wrong about that kind of damage.

Eh you still have sustain and blocks and invulns and regen on that ele which a warri doesnt have.You people have NO kittening clue,really.NONE.You also forget that a warri able to do such hits is BUILD for it,meaning he has dropped defense line completely and is a wet kittening noodle and open to every condi spamm aswell.But qq more please.

Uh, I do have all 9 professions at lvl 80 mind you so I do have a clue. For once, It would be nice if ppl stop think of a profession as all the same no matter the spec. It’s just ridiculous. You have an abysmal difference between the cheese spec you saw in pvp for so long and a backline speck in wvw. You are unkillable in celestial gear but drop dead instantly when look at in zerk.

Yes, ele has exceptional sustain but tell me how it’s useful when you drop dead instantly without any clue among the chaos of battle? You ain’t bouncing back from a one shot button. Try one shotting even the glassiest war? It’s impossible.

Beside, AFAIK, warrior has longer (possibly more frequent too) and better invul (you can attack when endure pain is on, while you can do jack kitten while on mist form). You also have at least just as many block available. You are absolutely certain to have the chance to hit any ‘oh, kitten’ button you have on your bar and some have it on auto.

I’m not saying war is OP. It’s not at the moment. However, I call major BS on anyone telling me a glass war is just as glassy as it’s ele counter part.

Entenkommando.5208:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jski.6180:

The old bl do not fit wvw any more. The only way to bring them back is to update them to fit current wvw and that would require a major over hall. So every thing you see in the new bl you will need to retrofit the old bls from towers to keeps to camps.

Care to elaborate on this rather bold claim?

The same stale gameplay for 3 years. Maps so small that you could move to every objective within half a minute making blobs extremely strong and destroying tactical, organised, small groups.

The new borders aren’t perfect by any means right now but with some tweaks they could yield a much deeper strategical potential than the old maps.

You just wanna ez loot ktrain if you really want the old maps back. But that is what made wvw die before hot. The new borders were just a final flaw. Stop acting like thousands of players would come back for the old borders. The only difference was that maybe 50 out of 100 guys queuing for ebg still played the borders. I even doubt that most of the guilds would actually bother to come back to this pile of kittens with a dev saying “soon” every 6 months.

WvW died with the stability change. Not with the maps.

This make no sense at all to me. How can someone claim the old bl were so small “you could move to every objective within half a minute” and also claim these same ppl “just wanna ez loot ktrain if you really want the old maps back”. How can it be easy to ktrain when your enemy can reach you faster to wreck that train?

One of the BIG problem the ppl who want fights have with the new BL is the size and how annoying they are to navigate because it make fighting that much harder to happen. They don’t want to ktrain at all. Pretending such a thing after having read all of the pro old BL had to say is close to delirium.

Nobody is saying tons of ppl would come back if the old bl would come back. I do think it would decelerate the exodus tho and let people still here enjoy the BL once again rather than make them want to stay on EBG.

As for stab, it merely need to find a sweet spot to be more enjoyable. I’m openly against going back to the old stab for reasons elaborated many many times but I do hope and think it could use some tweeking to answer post HoT reality.

Jski.6180:

The old bl do not fit wvw any more. The only way to bring them back is to update them to fit current wvw and that would require a major over hall. So every thing you see in the new bl you will need to retrofit the old bls from towers to keeps to camps.

Care to elaborate on this rather bold claim?

Is it me or the ppl that reply simply ignore the previous argumentation the other side has put forth? It’s has if I had never replied 3 time in this thread going by some answers. And I was far from alone… How about arguing in good faith for a change?

Shala.8352:

It’s a L2P issue.
Try ask your thieves teammates to open their eyes. They wont be able to “oneshot” the gunflame warrior, but still to 100-0 him in less than a second. Cuz in fact maybe certain class dont have a one skill kill, but they’re combo are so quick that they can 100-0 you in the same time.
Also for people who are comparing gunflame to COR, they are kinda ignorant, gunflame need a set up, it’s not spammable (means that after 1-2 shots if you have signet of fury, you are a sitting duck), can be reflected, plus warrior dont have 999999 evades and double heals like revenant has, and has to run a NO support build with NO defenses, so gunflame warrior is not a win button, is an all in button. Meaning if you dont like all in gameplay, just dont play full zerker!
Really ele running full zerker was good 3 years ago, to counter gunflame you just have… to survive the gunflame!! After that the warrior wont be able to put any more pressure on you and ele could easily outheal his dmg if they stop going full glasses.
To be fair, i’ve never hit 17k in the server where i’m playing (Aurora Glade), so the problem is not the Gunflame build, but build people are using.

No, it’s not l2p issue. It’s a legitimate one.

I play this game since beta and probably have more time playing than most people here on my main. The skills that do enough damage in a single shot to 100-0 any build are a problem that promote poor game play.

I’m seriously wondering why anybody would want to have that kind of skill around. How good are you supposed to be to 1 shot someone who never saw you from 1500 among a sea of red? Someone you come upon that has expended all his endurance and/or CD? Specially if you use unblockable means or are a collateral victim (3 targets) and not even need to channel. What kind of sad skill design is that?

By the way, for some builds that is far from true at all that all you need to beat the guy is to survive gunflame. I’ve seen enough fights vs such one trick pony players on my zerk staff ele to know even a poor player will force you to spend your endurance and push his invul button if you ever try to go for broke on him (which carry a lot of huge risks) leaving you in both case in an impossible situation. And contrarily to stealth users you can’t bail that easy. A glass war is a far cry from a glass ele. You still have 19k life 2.5 k armor not 12-13k and 2k armor. Even your reg skills will force the ele to use endurance or he will die.

I have no problem with skills that would remove 99% of the squishiest build but not 100% Let people at least have a tiny chance to react and push an ‘oh kitten’ button. Pretending that it’s people fault for playing squishy is a poor excuse for this.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Doesn’t killshot do a little more base damage, even with multipliers? Minus the burning and velocity though.

There is no channel on that skill that i know of as opposed to KS but to be perfectly fair and clear what I said applies to all skills that can 100-0 even the squishiest build.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

When is ANet going to do anything about the hackers in HoD?

ANet ChrisCleary

How about now?

The “not so” Secret (and banned) Lads of HoD:

• foamknight.8534 – It Goes It Goes Yuh
• Michael.7943 – The Fame Monster
• History o Silence.1734 – A Real Ranger

Edit: While I’m here…a report in-game is good, a report in-game AND an email to exploits@arena.net is even better!

Just remember some key things that really help with an investigation:

• What Time and Date was it? Easiest way to do this is to play with Server time on your minimap and take a screenshot when you make a report (don’t forget to send us that screenshot too!)
• Right click – Report Player for Botting – We can find your report(s) and investigate them later if the first one doesn’t get the job done
• Your Character or Display Name – Just because you are emailing us doesn’t mean that we can automatically match your account (especially if you email us from an address that doesn’t have a Guild Wars account on it)
• Be Descriptive! – Names of locations, what you saw, what was happening (even if you didn’t see it), what borderlands? What matchup? More information the better!

Reaction 1) GG. Well, played! I’m glad these sorry excuses of players get what they deserved.

Reaction 2) Why didn’t the exact same threads here got that kind of answer here? Why Reddit?

Caedmon.6798:

Offair.2563:

Do the rats display the right animation now like any other race, or does it still look like they stand still and BANG headshotted?

Like every class has such telegraphic skills able to read? Warr is easy to read Besides gunflame..It’s our only non high telegraphic skill.We used to had a killshot…Kneel down.. LOOK AT MEEE,now im gonna shoot…ready to evade ? Here i go ! The change to gunflame was awesome,learn how to deal with it.Ive been fighting kittenloads of gunflames myself,sometimes im lucky,sometimes im not,kitten happens.

Uh… I run full zerk ele and I don’t have that one shot button you seem to think we are entitled to have when we run that glassy.

Beside, for the third time, how easy is it to see that animation among the usual chaos of wvw? You guys saying dodge it are just ridiculous. Duh, of course I’d dodge it if I saw it and I had the endurance for at that moment.

Now, again, of course I learned to live with these lame builds all around and accept the fact I live a very dangerous life. However, let’s not pretend there is nothing wrong about that kind of damage.

Arimas.3492:

I wouldn’t say its as much this skill in particulars fault its just the intense power creep when the spec patch hit and after HoT’s new skills.

Regarding Gunflame I wouldn’t say its all a 1 trick pony cause GS is still a good weapon and most Gunflame builds use it in offhand so for certain classes it can be harder to counter. Plus the added fact that most Gunflame zerkers run Signet of Might for the 6s of unblockable attacks, which unblockable also goes through reflections so the only thing left is evade/dodge and for most classes all you get is 2 dodges and you have no defense left against it, and in a fight when the zerker uses Gunflame if they’re smart they’ll time it to hit you when you don’t have any endurance.

Yeah, I remember laughing inside not long ago when I saw a gun flame attack aimed at me (again, not always easy to spot in the chaos of wvw) switching to earth for magnetic aura… what a disappointment to see myself hit the bucket for 16+k damage instead of reflecting it back to that one trick pony lame-o-tron excuse of build.

But honestly, I just accept that I will die to these kind of build. It’s the price to pay to play what I like how I like. I do think the damage is too high and no attack should ever 100-0 anyone no matter if you have light armor and 1000 toughness or not but nothing is perfect I guess.

fost.9167:

I dont play my warrior must because they are STILL underpowered.

When they go berserk it is broadcast they turn bright red. Just run/hide/stealth/get away until it drops. It is a one trick pony. Other classes might not get the “WOW CRIT” but ive been 100-0’d by many classes.

Try to see that in a WvW mess…

IMO, nothing should ever have the power to 100-0 in one attack no matter how squishy you are. 99% of your life, ok, but not 100%. EVER. My favorite so far was a thief that BS me out of nowhere for 14+k… that is quite the auto-attack…

I personally like that we get some maps that are more complicated. But even if it is more complicated it’s actually quite easy to navigate with the wallows once you figure out all lanes have a wallow linking it’s respective camp (Ogre lane – Ogre camp; SCAR lane – SCAR camp etc).

I love maps that aren’t conventional and challenge our 3d perspective.

Again, I’m for an upgrade to skills granting stability but not a return to how it was. There was a good reason as to why they changed it that I agree with.

Let’s first try to augment the stacks to reach a sweet spot before, again, going all or nothing on something. There has to be a sweet spot. Sweeter than now and back then at least.

I too hope it remain bugged for years.

jamesdolla.3954:

if they’re not in combat before rez and get hit while rezing you are still able to rez.. this thing needs to be like pvp and just send the fully dead back to spawn. this needs to be fixed asap

This for me is a very minor issue. We have sooooooooooooooooo much more important things to address.

Jayden Ennok.3687:

If you consider only npc killing time, zerker staff ele is fastest but tends to blow up big time if anyone comes around to defend the camp.

Yeah. zerker staff ele does a very good job at solo camping even with mercs and upgrades but a mistake or a ‘surprise’ can often prove disastrous.

Aeolus.3615:

Pride.1734:

I agree. The new border is quite pretty and its not as bad as most people originally thought. If they remove the automated turrets, popup walls and PvE events then its quite allright even if it is a bit too large.

All they need is to fix it.
People want to change back to old Alpine because was a faceroll map for fast karma train.

I like to learn that the reason I want to go back is because I want a faceroll karma train… seem legit.

As for fixing, there is so much to fix I’m genuinely questioning the point of it.

EremiteAngel.9765:

zinkz.7045:

EremiteAngel.9765:

Anet must have spent a lot of effort devising and creating the new BL.
Asking them to go back to the old BL is taking a huge step back and wasting all the time and effort they put into designing the new one.
Do you think that’s sensible? Are you asking for something that is impractical?

What? Are you 12 years old? Go look at Google and go find the list of projects they have closed down (everything from Knol to Wave) because they were not working, not well thought through, basically failures to varying degrees.

That is what an actual business does that is run in a competent manner, it doesn’t cling to its mistakes and worry they might offend some employee that for some reason you think has the level of mental development of a 12 year old and not be able to cope with the reality that something didn’t work out, just because it took time and effort.

I think you’re right…I’m too naive…there is no love when it comes to business…

I appreciate the compassion you demonstrate. I think it is a trait too many sadly and mistakenly perceive as a weakness. However, don’t you think it’s going to cost even more ppl their job if the game continue to displease the customers?

Osu.6307:

So depressing when people come to the forums to complain that the old stab was too powerful because a small group could take down a large group. You whiners are responsible for removing the incentive for coordinated, skilled gameplay from wvw and replacing it with this mindless pirate ship meta. Happy now? If a 5-man group killed your whole zerg, it is because they were better than you. Last time I checked, we all have equal access to builds.

A lot of cheap accusations that avoid valid points on the topic. I love skilled game play myself and enjoy fighting as the numerical underdog but the boon was too good and easy to access while seriously crippling a third of the game mechanic (control). In many ways it was as problematic to cc heavy builds as diamond skin was for condi.

Beside, you kinda shoot yourself in the foot when you say you are better because you win despite having access to same resources… it is still true today so it beg the question, why don’t you have the same results today?

Again, I’m all for a boost in stab (more stacks) but not absolute immunity for as long as you have the boon no matter how many cc you faceroll because you can’t bother with a third of the game mechanic. Let’s work toward a sweet spot for stab and cc instead.

Riranor.6315:

My thing is that I think it’s healthy. I havent played as a necro yet in the new patch, just Mes and thief, but boon spam is worse. And i mean spam. pressing buttons the moment you can for the attack and boon, like old ele with cele and rev. Necro counters them now, hard, which is good I think.

Here is the deal. You cant corrupt boons the enemy doesnt have. If the enemy player is careful about their skills and dont give themselves to many boons, then the necro is at a condition dps loss by using their boon coppurtion traits and skills for other utility. Ive had no problem beating a necro as a thief. I make sure not to give myself,m boons, as hard as it can be, and its not 100 percent avoidable but thats what condi clear is for. Builds that counter corrupt necro are builds that dont depend on boons. These builds are rare, boons have been what the meta is always about though from what ive seenl and im glad there is something working against it now. If it is over done they might wanna tone it down but otherwise all the nee corrupt options should remain available.

Let me get this straight…. your genius idea to counter this is to tell professions dependent on boons by design not to be? Did you per chance ever play ele?

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think you guys need to consider that its not just simply Anet admitting that the change was not well accepted (if true).
You could possibly end up costing someone’s job…
Are you going to make someone get fired?

Nobody want that. However, it’s a poor reason to do nothing about it.

morrolan.9608:

Tongku.5326:

Chaba.5410:

Stab was meant to be countered with boon stripping, boon corruption, and soft ccs, not hard ccs.

For WVW AOE boon strips are just too weak and too infrequent to accomplish this. In addition soft CCs do not work because they can also be removed by non stop AOE cleanse spam since they are mostly conditions, and in many cases you don’t even need that, jsut have enough -condi duration on you to bring duration of soft CC under 1 tick to be completely immune to it.

The 2 things above is what made stab in its original form stupid OP when added into any build.

if they buff stab, it will jsut be the other extreme, they need to rebalance the above in order to buff stab its somewhat in the middle.

I don’t recall there being too many complaints or problems with the old stab. Stab was applied, necros stripped or corrupted it, eles cc’d the enemy then the groups clashed. If you were co-ordinated well enough the boon stripping and corruption lasted long enough to do its job. And groups were evenly balanced.

I for one always had a problem with 1 lazy button nullifying every and all cc for way too long. It was way too efficient a boon. WAY too much for the effort involved.

Even as we speak, I honestly do not see such a huge problem with ccs (and I’m super squishy and targeted a lot) unless you refuse to change your play style and blindly rush to your enemies.

That being said, I do admit it went overboard and a better balance is needed for some profession regarding that topic. As an ele main we do have options that make us less vulnerable to ccs ( enough good stun breaks and self stab + teleport). One part of the game is about control and it should never be so easily dismissed and dependent on a necro being with you.

I’m all for an adjustment on the number of stacks given to reflect the sources of cc we have but I vehemently oppose a return to the old stab. Replacing a problem with another is not a good idea. Fine tune stab until you hit the sweet spot that won’t make ppl rag dolls or cc irrelevants.

EremiteAngel.9765:

@OP

Why allow large amount of boon spam without large amount of boon removal/corrupt?

Boon removal is fine. Boon corruption is a lot more touchy.

EremiteAngel.9765:

i think you guys use the word ‘majority’ a little too loosely.
We only have a few players commenting in the forums.
There may be the real ‘majority’ that is okay with playing on the new BL but with some fine-tuning.

I’m not basing my opinion on this thread or the forum at large. I’m basing it out of what I see, and hear in game. The new maps are not only desert themed. They are deserted period.

Also, it’s a big coincidence that the population in WvW before HoT and after it’s launch is akin to Hiroshima before and after the bomb. It’s really hard to not see the damage done. We had a WvW life before. Now, not so much… Probably because the majority like it too much…

EremiteAngel.9765:

Anet must have spent a lot of effort devising and creating the new BL.
Asking them to go back to the old BL is taking a huge step back and wasting all the time and effort they put into designing the new one.
Do you think that’s sensible? Are you asking for something that is impractical?

Lets give them more support and fine-tune the new BL instead of asking them to go back to the old BL.

I’m not sure I get your argument at all. Going back to the old BL should cost nothing in design. It is already a finished product. It’s merely a matter or rolling it back. There is nothing impractical about that.

Beside, it’s not like they asked us if we would like these changes or took in consideration the feedback they got. We were put in front of a change many of us never asked for. If I take your house and give you one you don’t like as much are you an ungrateful person to say you didn’t want to change the house and even less for the one you were given without having a say about? No. It’s the same here. Had they gave us an extra content instead of replacing one the majority loved it would be different.

People asked for fixes to known issues. Not a new everything.

The only problem there is about rolling back is the admission of a failure that the crushing majority know for a fact anyway. For a reason or another you apparently can’t say you made a bad move in that business.

Junkpile.7439:

Only stupid players leave keeps without zerg.

I just learned that I was stupid… sob

Fortus.6175:

Warning, this might get you ‘banned’, watch at your own risk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

disclaimer: I didnt do this, also ,this video is from 2012, yet, still relevant.

I so remember that time when thief was so braindead op and ele a real challenge.

Rocknull.2986:

Tspatula.9086:

Rocknull.2986:

Maybe I simply don’t play enough? Maybe my skewed perception of wvw because when I log in its with a guild full of people ready to play together and a leader that knows his kitten BUTTTTTT!!!!! I really see nothing wrong with the new border lands. The new guild abilities are strong and maybe border line OP at some points, but overall these are not easy abilities to achieve and work aside, the mats involved truly “take a village” to achieve at an impressive pace. . The biggest solo farmer couldn’t do it without the help of his fellow homies (guildies) .

It kinda feels like you lazy kittens don’t want to learn something new. New Map new elite abilities new guild abilities new dumb dumb dumb “meta” your just learning hard. cursing and screaming at every lesson saying how terrible this is. until you learn it. succeed in it and inventively love it.

So please. My new generation of secretly try hards do me a favor. Try a little fliipping harder. This is a great game. No pvp/wvw/rvr base or side based mmo can touch it.

think im crazy? think of the newly introduced rev. and how gross and op he was when he first hit the scene. and how much easier rev’s slowly became the more you played and LEARNED about it. admittedly still a grossly op char. but i think you understand what im trying to say. maybe?

PvF comes to the official forums!! Well played sir! Now the real game begins! Ok let me see if I understand this PvF stuff.. here we go:

Get rekt PvE newb and go back to EtoM where you were born. The new BLs are no fite maps. (I have to be careful cuz there are actual moderators in this forum, so I’m sticking with PvFlite)

what? do i have a secret super hero stalker? creepy.. yet. exciting..

And everyone else. Im not saying your all wrong. I apologize if it came off that way. but kitten some of these responses.

I’m saying that when I roam the new BL’s and I see the new guild/scribe stuff. I see a bigger game being prepared for us that has not been played to its full potential.

I mean i get it. There is nothing worst and more unpopular then a new map. I get it that this was made worse with some of the sick class imbalances but with that considered don’t go throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Lets see what the patch brings and im gonna say it again. Give it a little more of a chance. Fight in the new BL’s ! You can do it! Or dont. get mad. and go back to wow?
come on man….

The fact that a map is new is not bad in itself at all. There are tons of new stuff many of us like and hoped for.

People don’t like the maps because of their design that promote the exact opposite of what they hoped for (fight opportunity, strategy, PVE events that have minimal effects on the game and a lesson learned about EoTM and wvw players) and are POed because the company continuously aggravate the problem each time they intervene. How is it even possible to be so disconnected with the player base for so long is beyond me.

As for roaming, I hate solo roaming on the new BL because they are a pain to navigate (and this is from someone who like jp) and the addition of barricades that are obviously aimed at solo roamers (they are not going to bother anyone else really). And locking what guild already had behind enormous PVE grind was a masterful blunder of biblical proportion (not even talking about the ridiculously unbalanced banners that are P2W). I’m pretty sure nobody, and I mean NOBODY, asked for that. PPL wanted a guild hall for GvG but not to make the game even more grindier and P2W. I really tried the new BL and the verdict is still a big, BIG, fail.

Rocknull.2986:

Maybe I simply don’t play enough? Maybe my skewed perception of wvw because when I log in its with a guild full of people ready to play together and a leader that knows his kitten BUTTTTTT!!!!! I really see nothing wrong with the new border lands. The new guild abilities are strong and maybe border line OP at some points, but overall these are not easy abilities to achieve and work aside, the mats involved truly “take a village” to achieve at an impressive pace. . The biggest solo farmer couldn’t do it without the help of his fellow homies (guildies) .

It kinda feels like you lazy kittens don’t want to learn something new. New Map new elite abilities new guild abilities new dumb dumb dumb “meta” your just learning hard. cursing and screaming at every lesson saying how terrible this is. until you learn it. succeed in it and inventively love it.

So please. My new generation of secretly try hards do me a favor. Try a little fliipping harder. This is a great game. No pvp/wvw/rvr base or side based mmo can touch it.

think im crazy? think of the newly introduced rev. and how gross and op he was when he first hit the scene. and how much easier rev’s slowly became the more you played and LEARNED about it. admittedly still a grossly op char. but i think you understand what im trying to say. maybe?

I’m curious as to how this come close to answer the numerous and legitimate criticisms that were addressed at the game mode changes and management? Basically what you say is “I have no problems therefore yours are not legitimate”.

Shirlias.8104:

I agree there is no point

I mean, if you ( ANET ) want to bring gw2 to the E-Sport scene, you must decide “what” you consider the E-Sport Mod.

Actually we have both stronghold and custom arenas, and players can achieve high spvp ranks through both of em… but everybody knows for sure that maps are way too differents.

I also dislike the maps i also like, cause “pve” mechanics, like khylo ( treb, repair kit ), Legacy ( doors/npc/lord ), Forest ( Svanir and chief, which are way different. Svanir is way more op, talkin as thief ).

I dislike temple and forest also cause capture points are different.

I think it would be great to have a specific map for spvp ( but i still would prefer with capture points, to split up players. i m scared about a 5v5 due to massive spam ).

I get what you say about conquest splitting players but I don’t see what you are so afraid of about what you call “spam”. Must be because I play a lot of WvW that it doesn’t scare me that much. It’s not because you have tons of effects going all around that it is mindless and not strategic and coordinated.

Also fully support OP.

Shirlias.8104:

Game is almoset powercleave/healing.
Maps need both teams to split up and fight like 3v3 3v2 1v2 2v2.

A death match would mean a 5v5 aoe spam.
Think no1 would like this ( at least, into Ranked Arena ).

If some1 wants to faceroll, here stronghold comes.

I don’t get your aoe spam reply and don’t agree no one in ranked would want that. I for one would want it.

Conquest is not real pvp to me. It’s not players besting players so much as team rotating well.

I can’t believe we don’t have any death match map in ranked. It’s just ridiculous.

Laserbolt.6731:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I can’t do touch type since my hand has less sensation as a result of a stroke I had. I don’t use key binds and I click on each and every skill on my skill bar to activate them. Yet I’d say I do pretty well and made it almost exclusively solo to diamond by playing intensively for 2 weeks and not at all otherwise (I wanted my Nevermore, Raid, Fractals, leveling pve etc.).

I suspect you do not do 1v1s, but play more support, from a distance, or with lots of passive defense and passive offense.

I duel a lot actually and win more than I loose.

I can’t do touch type since my hand has less sensation as a result of a stroke I had. I don’t use key binds and I click on each and every skill on my skill bar to activate them. Yet I’d say I do pretty well and made it almost exclusively solo to diamond by playing intensively for 2 weeks and not at all otherwise (I wanted my Nevermore, Raid, Fractals, leveling pve etc.).

Yes, without any hesitations.

psizone.8437:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

To be fair, the Shatterer mechanic sux so bad since way longer.

WvW has had complaints unanswered for years and is a 24/7 issue, whereas the Shatterer is active for 2 hours or so each day.

It’s like a fireman walking into a burning building and deciding to fix a broken coffee machine.

You are preaching at the choir. However, I don’t see this as an insult considering how long it took them to address this and how many do the event each day.

To be fair, the Shatterer mechanic sux so bad since way longer.

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Offair.2563:

Incase you miss out the loot of people doing this; do one hour pve and your week is covered..

I was thinking the same. If you play WvW for loot acquisition there is something you didn’t quite figured out of this game anyway….

Loot or not, it should be still fixed.

Of course. But I was never bothered that much when ppl Alt-F4 on me before a stomp. In fact if you like the taste of salt this should feel very satisfying, not the opposite. And if i’s your wannabe possible precursor you feel cheated of go do more pve for crying out loud…

Anyway, this is not something I see as ‘urgent’ matters at all.

Yet you bother replying on a thread accusing everyone of wanting loot from the kills as the reason why they want this fixed.

Maybe reading the thread would help you. I didn’t accused everyone. My reply is to be understood in the context of what OP said. The OP own words were:

‘NO
I want my loot from thier cold dead corpse.’

Of course I wish they patch this but it is minor problem at best IMO.

Jayden Ennok.3687:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Offair.2563:

Incase you miss out the loot of people doing this; do one hour pve and your week is covered..

I was thinking the same. If you play WvW for loot acquisition there is something you didn’t quite figured out of this game anyway….

Loot or not, it should be still fixed.

Of course. But I was never bothered that much when ppl Alt-F4 on me before a stomp. In fact if you like the taste of salt this should feel very satisfying, not the opposite. And if i’s your wannabe possible precursor you feel cheated of go do more pve for crying out loud…

Anyway, this is not something I see as ‘urgent’ matters at all.

Lol at any person whining about duel interruption around SMC. Don’t play soccer/football on the highway complaining that cars are on the way.

OP the persons on your server who treated you this way for genuinely trying to help them are kittens undeserving of logging in even the current BL anyway.

Offair.2563:

Incase you miss out the loot of people doing this; do one hour pve and your week is covered..

I was thinking the same. If you play WvW for loot acquisition there is something you didn’t quite figured out of this game anyway….

SlayerSixx.5763:

Its literally a 5% uptime immobilize. Why is this even being mentioned?

Because it’s a passive for thief and OP is being a hypocrite? again, if only passive with less than 20 sec are to count (arbitrary but why not play it your way) then which profession is full of them?

A better question at this point would be why do you go so out of shape to defend the OP on something like that?

SlayerSixx.5763:

Cancer would mean something other than gamebreakingly annoying or OP….?

If only passive with less than 20 sec are to count then which profession is ‘full’ of them? I hate passive too but let’s stop the hypocrisy.

Rukia.9860:

Please enlighten me with a challenge 1v1 and I’ll demolish your life.

I am the best thief who ever existed, I will literally win so hard I alter your reality into making you realize you play a pos faceroll class full of passive cancer and still got rekt LOL hit me up anytime bro’s I’ll stream the rekkage.

Passive cancer like panic strike you mean?

Laraley.7695:

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

Normalizing everyone to 15k base health would go a long way in giving classes more build diversity and making the game overall more balanced.

Or even make the tiers 14k, 15k and 16k base health, so you still have some variation but nothing gamebreaking.

10k base health is simply unplayable in a game where there are skills that can crit for 9+k damage.

I don’t think having 10K hp is the main problem. It never was before really. You just took vit from traits or before that from jewels. The problem is there are things that hit as hard as 9K. The power creep has been the problem.

Agree. IDK why they ever thought that having attacks that can 1 shot someone was a good idea.

People say ele has insane sustain. It’s true. The problem is, no amount of healing will help you if you are instantly down. You need to survive the initial assault for it to matter at all.

If you go with an offensive build you are prone to explode if someone look at you. If you spec defensively you aren’t as good as others in that game mode…

Malediktus.9250:

If he had 0 score he obviously did not even assist in a kill. All he did was running around mindlessly and bragging that he got the top player – most damage award at the end of the game.

Then he was a bad player because of how he behave not because of his score. You can be the MVP of a match and score 0 (true story). Just stop making such associations. You will only make this ridiculous superstition even worse. Next time tell us what the player did or not instead or relying on his score. We already have too many idiots in game that are obviously more concerned about their points then their team’s.

Malediktus.9250:

Well I just lost 2 pips because of a stupid guard who had 0 personal score. nice. We didnt even loose that badly (292:501) because I killed their lord. I guess it would have been -3 pips if I didnt do that

What has personal score to do with it? I thought this pathetic perception of personal score had been dealt with.