Guild Wars 2

Nick.6972:

Im no game developer, but how hard could it possibly to make an open field arena for GvG? No gimmicky mechanics needed, just Coliseum.

They are afraid that it will be more popular than their esport tpvp (gvgs having more views than tpvp tournaments in the past).

Not to mock tpvp, i like that aswell.

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kai.9182:

He was just standing there.

In the middle of a community organized battlefield where he was disturbing the peace. His reason for doing this?

If he had some point to prove by interrupting this community event I think everyone in this thread would be more than happy to hear about it. If he was “trolling” to be honest judging by the way their moderators patrol these forums we have some serious double standards that need explanation.

His point seems rather obvious to me. You have no entitlement to the lands nor do you have the right to expel other players from participating. The objective of WvWvW is to slaughter your enemies. Not to bond with them over organized melees.

It’s still griefing.

I can go in WvW right now and waste 1k+ supply building Ram on walls, it’s not forbidden but it is still griefing.

Marquie Thomas.1873:

Kai.9182:

Chopps.5047:

Kai.9182:

To be honest this is disgusting that an employee would go to such an effort to attempt to ruin what is obviously a GvG.
Whether or not GvG belongs in WvW is irrelevant, this is blatant aggression towards a certain part of the Guild Wars 2 community and should not be tolerated.

What did the dev do to ruin it? I saw nothing bad in those pictures, honestly. What did he do to impede your progress?

You’re joking right? You seriously have no idea what is happening in this situation? He is clearly disturbing the peace at an organized event from players in a certain community who were expecting an even fight of X vs X (e.g. 15 vs 15 or 20 vs 20[even numbered fight]). To be honest nothing else in this situation matters other than the fact this employee WENT OUT OF HIS WAY just to disturb this niche part of the population.

It’s more than obvious what his intentions are, this behavior is the type of disgusting filth that moderators on this overly censored forum would delete in seconds.
(Any double standards remark will not be considered as an intelligent response.)

If they didn’t like the what hes was doing why did they just stand there and take it why not just call the other team to smite him down and be done with it. I think the GvGers are looking for a witch to burn. Hell if you didn’t wanna get trolled on you shuda just moved out the way. I mean come on you cant force a player to bend to your will even if the dev was wrong said group should have moved to another location. He was right you are violating his game mode trying to make him do what he dose not wanna do.

They did? Actually if i was on the enemy team and saw him pop the tag i would have ganked him all over the map and spam /laugh after for griefing.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Another person that doesnt consider the score, the tick rate and the time the GvG went down. Well done for coming in blind.

This isn’t an isolated event. This kind of nonsense happens all the time in WvWvW and it just doesn’t belong. If you’re looking for organized PvP you’re in the wrong place and the ANet staffer was right in pointing that out.

He said they are violating HIS gamemode which i find insulting. It should be OUR gamemode. (The devs and players gamemode)

He is a player, and you were violating his gamemode :o If I wanted to kill people you were fighting you’d have been violating my gamemode. Well not worded that way…. I would have just kamikazied the other guild and not have been so polite.

The fact that he pops his tag means he was speaking as a developer, not as a player. Btw, pretty much the only thing i do on WvW is roam on my thief and kill other roamers, i dont care for ppt and dont give a kitten abt defending and attacking anything, or escorting yaks whatsoever. Am i violating HIS gamemode too? Can i get banned for that?

I think he was trying to choose his words “wisely”, and when did he mention people getting banned for violating the way he likes to WvW? O.o I mainly roam also btw. I’ve already mentioned a few times that I think flipping on his tag was a bit overkill/unnecessary :P I won’t stop attacking a Yak just because someone doesn’t want it to die though.

The last part was not directed to you, it was directed to the topic itself. I’m sorry it came accross like that i already edited my post.

Magnetron.5823:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Magnetron.5823:

The game mode was made for open siege war and not remote GvG, if the dev wants to stand there he has the right to stand there, he did nothing wrong… He said, start the fight go go.

You guys knew it was open world warfare with siege when you bought the game, when you buy a new couch in the store and you are going to sleep on it but its not sleeping very comfortable you are not going back to the store and complain about that right? lol

Yes, keep shooting down your own argument, it’s your couch you get to even hump it. Who cares?

If you guys want GvG on it, go ahead do what you can, but when the owner created the couch with bloodlust buffs and when ‘another’ owner of that couch wants to stand in the middle of your so called ‘GvG love seat’ he has also the rights to do that.

The game is for everyone, you guys are not sitting on it alone

The point is the developer was there to grief and nothing else (otherwise he wouldnt stand in the middle of the GvG). If he wanted to play HIS gamemode instead of griefing he could have gone to the next tower and man AC 24/7, im sure you can show him you must have perfected it.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Another person that doesnt consider the score, the tick rate and the time the GvG went down. Well done for coming in blind.

This isn’t an isolated event. This kind of nonsense happens all the time in WvWvW and it just doesn’t belong. If you’re looking for organized PvP you’re in the wrong place and the ANet staffer was right in pointing that out.

He said they are violating HIS gamemode which i find insulting. It should be OUR gamemode. (The devs and players gamemode)

He is a player, and you were violating his gamemode :o If I wanted to kill people you were fighting you’d have been violating my gamemode. Well not worded that way…. I would have just kamikazied the other guild and not have been so polite.

The fact that he pops his tag means he was speaking as a developer, not as a player.

OT: Btw, pretty much the only thing i do on WvW is roam on my thief and kill other roamers, i dont care for ppt and dont give a kitten abt defending and attacking anything, or escorting yaks whatsoever. Am i violating HIS gamemode too? Can i get banned for that?

Centrix.4065:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Centrix.4065:

alcopaul.2156:

these GvG haters are PPT, PvD, arrowcart and karma train noobs who don’t know quality fights. The Pinnacle of the WvWvW experience is GvG.

Care, just ignore them. They are just making ppl respond to them aggressively, which increases the chance of this thread being locked.

Don’t feed

Im pretty sure this would get no attention at all if he didnt pop his A net tag… no one would care. The fact that he put up his tag means he speaks for Arenanet.

I know, you don’t have to tell me that…

What you said also has nothing to do with the quote o.o

I think i quoted the wrong person im sorry

Fungalfoot.7213:

Kimhyuna.1035:

Another person that doesnt consider the score, the tick rate and the time the GvG went down. Well done for coming in blind.

This isn’t an isolated event. This kind of nonsense happens all the time in WvWvW and it just doesn’t belong. If you’re looking for organized PvP you’re in the wrong place and the ANet staffer was right in pointing that out.

He said they are violating HIS gamemode which i find insulting. It should be OUR gamemode. (The devs and players gamemode)

meep.2601:

This is exactly what WvW needed. Everyone has been so negative towards it lately, this should really turn things around and help repair the damaged relationship between WvW devs and their playerbase.

oh wait lol!!!!

They are making it crappier every patch anyway so why care now. (except the new BL maps + culling remove, everything else was completely crappy and unnecessary… Bloodlust, ranks, masteries, etc. etc. IMO ofc)

The gamemode gets dumbed down so hard for the casuals its riddicolous.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Junkpile.7439:

Do you know how rude PvDers are when i put ram wrong place or akitten superior cart when enemy come in?

Exactly. I didn’t even see the employee being rude, just a bunch of people overreacting. I’ve seen a lot worse from guilds/commanders I actually like :P Guys, a random employee just stated he wanted to play WvW like it’s meant to be played. Really disliking GvGers completely now.

I like seeing anet tags in wvw (usually if they’re on an opposing server, just to kill them), but I’m sure this will just make it so none will ever tag up. Also more people will grief GvGs because of how much you freak out.

What’s holding him back from manning his ACs? That’s right, because trolling your customers is much more fun than going around fighting a gate or manning ACs for all his time in WvW.

Yeah and those GvGers were totally defending their servers.

They were ticking with 500+ and leading by 150k points on thursday… totaly need to defend anything.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

Junkpile.7439:

Do you know how rude PvDers are when i put ram wrong place or akitten superior cart when enemy come in?

Exactly. I didn’t even see the employee being rude, just a bunch of people overreacting. I’ve seen a lot worse from guilds/commanders I actually like :P Guys, a random employee just stated he wanted to play WvW like it’s meant to be played. Really disliking GvGers completely now.

Why was he standing where the two guild will clash then? He could have gone to a keep / tower and man AC 24/7 like Arenanet wants us too.

Centrix.4065:

alcopaul.2156:

these GvG haters are PPT, PvD, arrowcart and karma train noobs who don’t know quality fights. The Pinnacle of the WvWvW experience is GvG.

Care, just ignore them. They are just making ppl respond to them aggressively, which increases the chance of this thread being locked.

Don’t feed

Im pretty sure this would get no attention at all if he didnt pop his A net tag… no one would care. The fact that he put up his tag means he speaks for Arenanet.

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

UltraHiDef.4809:

Tamaki Revolution.3548:

timidobserver.7925:

Semi surprised the main thread is still going on. I agree, no one should be punished/fired over this small instance. Get over it people.

Extreme show of distaste towards players, lack of respect, disrupting other people’s game experience, and abuse of authority as an arena net developer. Need I tell you more reasons why he should be fired?

He wanted to wvw, gvgers were rude first, he expressed he wanted to play the way wvw was meant to be played. Yes, give me actual reasons.

i agree they should have treated him differently.

What i have a problem is, is the fact that he calls it HIS gamemode. Speaks volumes about what they think… (hint: they dont give a kitten what people think about WvW, they will change it for the worse and dont give a crap)

Magnetron.5823:

alcopaul.2156:

these GvG haters are PPT, PvD, arrowcart and karma train noobs who don’t know quality fights. The Pinnacle of the WvWvW experience is GvG.

And GvG are people who are bad in Spvp.

You know Car Crash (the team that won pax) is part of VoTF and they also do a lot of GvGs?

Magnetron.5823:

huh? I am sorry but I see a dev playing the game as intended.

You GvG kids are way too arrogant, take your bikes and go play outside please and leave us play WvW…

That GvG Community LOL

Stop being a fanboy please, its pathetic.

What will you do when all the “GvG Kids” leave ur game and you have no one to play anymore with? Because lets be realistic, hardcore WvW guilds are the backbone of every server. They organize the community TS, raids, command Pug raids, etc. etc.

Hey guys,

I think fractals at the moment are kind of flawed. Why? My main being a thief i only really did fractals on him and hes currently sitting on 38 i think. I would really love to do fractals on my guardian but it is kind of a pain in the kitten that i have to start all over at 1 and grind my way up to 20+ again in order to be able to get skin drops. At the moment fractals are kind of alt unfriendly.

Is there any reason why this is not Account based? And what do you guys think? Yes? No?

The only thing that is a problem is perma stealth everything else is fine the way it is.

It can be easily fixed by changing Infusions of Shadows to grant 2 ini when you ENTER stealth not when you stack it.

This would not cripple X/D builds at all and it would still allow D/P to stack stealth to some extent but get rid of the cheese perma stealth.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The display of noobish tendencies to interrupt a heal when using S/D is amazing. If you have that impulsive noobish tendencies, it is fitting to your playstyle to use D/P and feed into your tendencies with headshots.

Such noobish tendencies has no place in S/D. A target trying to heal is not a situation that demands daze when using S/D — that’s your noobish tendencies nagging at you.

Which also explains why certain S/D skill are a waste of initiatives to you — in truth, you just don’t know the right moment to use them.

But you argue that S/D has dazes on demand thus i can daze when the situation demands it or not? Which means i should be able to interrupt when my opponents trys to heal? Please clear up your mind.

The same with the blind, you argue you can blind on demand. Ill use my other example here:

Warrior eviscerate -> you dont have endurance, SR up + toggled LS (no FS available) -> you need to counter it -> BUT I CAN BLIND ON DEMAND?!-> you try to blind -> you fail because it takes forever to precast CnD -> you die… But i thought i have blind on demand? Im confused.

The blind from tac strike is so nishe you will rarely ever use it all. I can come handy when u try to stomp a guard or a ranger or maybe blind churning earth (a good ele will get rid of the blind while casting it tho by switching to air and cast air #2 for example). Thats pretty much about it. It is definetly not compareable to a real blind on demand (like SoS for example). In 95% of the cases u wasted 6 initiative which you could have spent for a better skill.

Also stop twisting my words, i never said you should try to daze a heal with tac strike. Even tho i would def recommend it if you are already in stealth beforehand. CnD → tac strike just takes way too long because IT IS NOT ON DEMAND. (unless you are in stealth already)

dDuff.3860:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

dDuff.3860:

Walker.3056:

Yea never should try to daze a heal skill… so much waste of time…

on S/D it is actually true.
Really high ini cost -> prepare time -> high chances to fail and have enemy healed and you are empty.
On other sets/build it is more common tactic.

But S/D has daze on demand?! Im confused now…

nah, i never said that)

Im just mocking this vincent guy man

dDuff.3860:

Walker.3056:

Yea never should try to daze a heal skill… so much waste of time…

on S/D it is actually true.
Really high ini cost -> prepare time -> high chances to fail and have enemy healed and you are empty.
On other sets/build it is more common tactic.

But S/D has daze on demand?! Im confused now…

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

@Vincent

So much wall of text well anyway, you’re talking a lot of nonsense here so i have to respond

Well let’s see who’s talking a lot non-sense.

Blind / Daze is NOT on demand. Why? Warrior starts Eviscerate -> you need blind -> you cast CnD in order to blind -> you get one shot because it takes too long to get the blind off.

Really now? This is your best scenario to counter blind/daze?

Let’s not go down the path of stupid arguments. Every Thief know that in this scenario, it has to be dodge/evade.

Another example: Opponent is almost dead he wants to heal -> you need to daze -> you cast CnD -> enemy gets heal off because you had to precast CnD -> you fail, hard.

No! You don’t need to daze that heal. OMG, that’s just stupid!

Let him heal and put his heal in CD then he’s dead afterwards.

Also if you waste 6 Ini to blind someone you do a lot of mistakes only a new player would do but anyway… lets continue. (on S/D, not talking about D/P here)

Do you even know when to use blind? Nor what situation demands blind?

If a situation does not demands blind, you don’t use it — because — it is your ON DEMAND skill.

SR removes one condition yes, but it also costs you 5 initiative to do so. Now i know you will argue “no SR only cost 2 init” no, just no. SR is a toggle skill which means you have to precast IS first thus it costs you 5 Initiative to clean a condition. For example you get hit by Signet of Spite.. i wish you goodluck to cleanse all the condis with SR. Just because SR does clean a condition doesnt mean it is reliable.

You have no counter argument, just a lot of non-sense.

Stealth on demand? Yes, but that doesnt mean it is any good whatsoever. Of course there are Situations where you want to use CnD (to interrupt a res for example, or to run away whatsoever) but please play against good people, they will dodge / blind / block every CnD you try to pull off. And besides, CnD is hardly used in a typical S/D build. It was big when daze builds used to work but they are complete crap now. 515151 only gets you so far..

That doesn’t change the fact that when the situation demands stealth — I CAN!

Boon Strip? Yes, very powerful. But will get nerfed very soon so yea..

What’s your point?!

Evade on demand? Yes and no. You have an Evade on demand if you have not precasted FS before. Btw, this is what the set is supposed to be, evade-ish, slippery, etc. So what exactly is the issue here?

A lot of Shadowsteps? Yes, but take that away from S/D and you can say goodbye to it. It is the backbone of the set as much as blinds + stealth is the backbone of D/P.

And btw Dagger MH AA chain DOES MORE DPS than sword. It also doesnt get hard countered by blinds like S/D AA does. But it cleaves in exchange.

I seriously doubt you have played S/D a lot or else you wouldnt talk so much nonsense. Please learn the set before you talk, thank you.

Ok, that was a waste of time…. user noted.

lol oh man… lets stop here.

Why does PvE even matter you can basicly run everything in PvE probably even naked and finish the content while reading a book… well maybe except teq…

Take away IS and the set is dead, period.

S/X can kill it (sword #2), but you have to be smart (meaning you never fight him near ur shadow return) and you gotta be full offensive otherwise you will not have enough dps.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

RedSpectrum.1975:

I really don’t think this needs a story along with it. How do you counter these guys? Dat hammer+ mace/shield

Hammer + Mace/Shield is a build to counter melee Thieves build.

You need to use either P/x or shortbow. They don’t have the same mobility as GS warriors so keeping your distance is the only safe way. Unfortunately though, you cannot kill them with ranged weapons.

A Guardian with Hammer + Mace/Shield is even worst.

A Guardian with Hammer + M/S has 2 knockbacks 1 immo and 1 ward which are all on fairly long CDs (compared to skullcrack), how exactly is that “even worse”? No, Hammer #2 is not a stun.

@Vincent

So much wall of text well anyway, you’re talking a lot of nonsense here so i have to respond

Blind / Daze is NOT on demand. Why? Warrior starts Eviscerate -> you need blind -> you cast CnD in order to blind -> you get one shot because it takes too long to get the blind off.

Another example: Opponent is almost dead he wants to heal -> you need to daze -> you cast CnD -> enemy gets heal off because you had to precast CnD -> you fail, hard.

Also if you waste 6 Ini to blind someone you do a lot of mistakes only a new player would do but anyway… lets continue. (on S/D, not talking about D/P here)

SR removes one condition yes, but it also costs you 5 initiative to do so. Now i know you will argue “no SR only cost 2 init” no, just no. SR is a toggle skill which means you have to precast IS first thus it costs you 5 Initiative to clean a condition. For example you get hit by Signet of Spite.. i wish you goodluck to cleanse all the condis with SR. Just because SR does clean a condition doesnt mean it is reliable.

Stealth on demand? Yes, but that doesnt mean it is any good whatsoever. Of course there are Situations where you want to use CnD (to interrupt a res for example, or to run away whatsoever) but please play against good people, they will dodge / blind / block every CnD you try to pull off. And besides, CnD is hardly used in a typical S/D build. It was big when daze builds used to work but they are complete crap now. 515151 only gets you so far..

Boon Strip? Yes, very powerful. But will get nerfed very soon so yea..

Evade on demand? Yes and no. You have an Evade on demand if you have not precasted FS before. Btw, this is what the set is supposed to be, evade-ish, slippery, etc. So what exactly is the issue here?

A lot of Shadowsteps? Yes, but take that away from S/D and you can say goodbye to it. It is the backbone of the set as much as blinds + stealth is the backbone of D/P.

And btw Dagger MH AA chain DOES MORE DPS than sword. It also doesnt get hard countered by blinds like S/D AA does. But it cleaves in exchange.

I seriously doubt you have played S/D a lot or else you wouldnt talk so much nonsense. Please learn the set before you talk, thank you.

Burnfall.9573:

evilapprentice.6379:

Sensotix.4106:

concerning the damage: Yes 1.8k autoattack is much…(compare it to mesmer ~700-1k) (compare it to ele ~1.2k) and that’s just the autoattack

Auto-attack CRIT, And crippling strike At that (one of the 2 sword attacks that hits hard, and the only one that requires you to be open for reataliation to get to) – Also, please clarfiy, are you running 10/30/0/30/0 with a zerkers? Cause if so, you were also fulfilling Executioner and First strikes, for another 30% damage.

the more I read the more I have to facepalm….sry that’s how it is atm

I know it’s not a free leap to 100% of all places but to 80% of it and being able to follow somebody through walls or on highground is a broken mechanic that’s how it is

80% is an exaggeration only someone with little experience with S/D could come up with. I’m honestly kind of surprised it ports up on the ledge in your video, because usually the skill will only port you to your target if you could walk there with the listed range – there are other notable exceptions, but they are generally the exceptions, not the rule. Also calling it a “Free” leap is misleading, as it costs initiative.

Evades: yes every class has special abilities u took the guards boons for an example thank you very much for that because that’s exactly what I mean
You can counter the massive boons of the guardian with a shatter mesmer, the s/d thief, or a necro but how do you counter evades? well I hope you get the point

How do you counter immunes, and blocks? It’s called Timing. Learn to time your attacks. If an S/D thief is evading, he’s not hitting you with anything hard (That list includes Crippling Strike, Larcenous strike…and ends there).

All in all I have to tell you from what I have read in your comment is that you seem to play s/d thief are not really experienced with whats going on in top 200 tpvp and that you love your thief too much to accept that some mechanics are too strong which may comes from you only playing thief and not playing other classes against s/d thieves

It seems strange that you feel yourself capable of judging others understanding of S/D when you make points that expose your misunderstanding and dislike of the class.

Ps: Thief directly counters necro worm port, mesmer blink, ele blink (3 disengages)
what counters thief really hard in tournys? hm?

That’s what thieves do – they stick to their targets. I suppose you dislike steal, shadow shot, scorpion wire, and infiltrators signet as well? What do you want thief to be, a kittentier flavor of warrior?

evilapprentice

You can continue denying Thief being underpowered yet more truths about thieves overpowerdness are rapidly being exposed.

As the saying goes, “fight to the death for what you believe”, it seem that’s that’s the path you choose to be in.

Evilapprentice,

the Truth always Prevail.

Once again,

the Truths speak, “Thief class is in Serious need to be ajusted/scaled”

So many arguments here… mind boggling.

quite low i have seen 40k+ ones but it was completely set up

Zenguy.6421:

Not being a PvP’er, this patch has made roaming in WvW less enjoyable for me.

I main an Eng in PvE which I use for late night roaming in WvW in the BLs. However, I’m far less inclined to do so now after this patch because:

• The changes have turned the bottom half of the Borderlands maps into a low reward PvP zone – if I wanted to PvP I wouldn’t be in WvW
• The buff is far too powerful and prone to changing in the middle of a fight – I want to know I won or lost a fight because of skill, not because someone on a different map stood in a giant’s toilet at the right/wrong time.
• Capping the buff is unrewarding and takes time away from more strategic activities
• Solo roaming on my Eng is too easy when we’ve got the buff and a waste of time when my enemies have.

Serious? You enter a PvP zone and then you complain about PvP being there? Erm…

Warrior is pretty much godmode roaming atm and in PvE too lol

Sir Vincent III.1286:

First of all, “boon hate” was Anet’s brilliant idea that is now exploding on their faces. If I remember correctly, this is not something we were asking for. We just need them to fix the pathing on FS.

Second, LS already got nerfed in the previous patch and getting nerfed again? Even after this nerf, I bet you, it’s still going to be a problem.

Third, Anet sees the problem and always doing a fix that brings in more problem. The problem with FS/LS from it’s first incarnation was the fact that LS becomes useable even if FS didn’t made a clean hit. So Thieves are pre-casting FS to gain access to LS on their first strike on the opponent. We’ve seen this to be a problem way before because a Theif can practically steal 4 boons right off the bat — and how did Anet fix this? Increase the cost of LS. facepalm

Forth, until they have someone in their design/balance team who actually play a thief and provide a first hand feedback, they will never get it right…ever!

Fifth, LS is not the problem here, it’s FS. If they require FS to make a clean hit before LS can become available, the spammability of LS will be contained. The cost to steal 4 boons will then be 10 init, instead of 7. And if FS was blocked, since it is not unblockable, LS will stay disabled because of the required clean hit.

This is simply based on observing other S/D Thieves and I knew from the start that this will be an issue — and here we are trying to clean up the mess. But seeing that they are trying to fix this the wrong way (again) no longer surprise me, but still makes my blood boils.

sigh ok I’m done.

Certain S/D builds will be able to spam FS like a lot of times in a row + the insane amount of dodges you will never be able to land a hit unless they trigger their LS so you got that window to damage / stun / immo them.

I dont find your idea bad or anything because you are right at the moment you can chain LS into steal very easily by precasting FS and use that as an opener (like you described, and instantly pretty much rip all your enemys boons), but your change just rises a new problem → even more evades.

yes i have a lot of lag atm its unplayable for me… i was only solo roaming for like 20 minutes then i had to stop because it’s no fun to play like that. I wonder how the lag is gonna be on my guardian when im raiding…

the new map overhaul is great i love it seems like a lot of minor sized groups are wandering between them ofc the blobs are in the middle a lot too atm but i think that will die out once it’s not as new anymore.

I kinda agree with the fact that the stat buff is a lot of bullkitten and who didnt know something like that would happen? It only makes the stronger server stronger i wonder why devs implement it… makes no sense

Also the skill lag has become a looooot worse or is that just me? im practicly lagging all the time even when i fight a 1on1 lol wth is this

basicly it’s 10 0 0 30 30 with a slight variation.

Go 30 into acro and run S/D S/D the 10 into CS are worthless. The extra ini you gain from weapon swap far outperforms the little crit chance and crit damage you get from the 10 into CS. Not to mention you have so much fury uptime in this build you really dont need the extra crit chance.

@jakare: Mug is very very strong if you trait 30 into trickery

Nice thread keep it up !

I think 10 0 0 30 30 double S/D deserves a spot too. Lot of dodges / boons / sustain, moderate damage, can be played full glas with a bit valk

Works quite good with double D/P too it just focues more on the blinds + dodges + interrupts instead of the stealth like a traditional D/P build would do (even tho it can stack stealth to some extent because of the massive ini regen). But doesnt have the oomph damage because of lack of points in CS… it’s lot of fun tho

Lanny.6987:

Can you provide a link to this statement? Before last patch folks were saying it was going to be nerfed as well.

Caom.9251:

I’m gonna sound pessimistic again but Anet has confirmed that they are going to nerf S/D.

Just a word of warning, don’t get too comfy.

They mentioned it in the recent SotG. Jon talked about either bring down damage / boons stolen or make it more initiative heavy.

AikijinX.6258:

Tonikor.5637:

The mini-heartseeker are not worth doing.

Losing awareness of your enemy’s location during a fight just for one extra heartseeker is NOT worth it.

He probably would have won more duels if he didn’t do it.

I’ve met all sorts of “perplexors”, from the s/p asuras with the ranged daze and 30 trickery to the p/d+d/p stealth spammers that also add bleeds and torment to the mix (hardest so far). Not one of them won though.

Beating perplexity thieves is easy, especially as a condi-removing-superhero-30SA-d/p.
All you need is constant pressure, knowing where the other thief is by not moving ur camera to show only yourself while you spam mini heart seekers is a start. One tip: Shadowshot.

So what is it are you exactly saying? Are you saying you are better than Coloxeus?, are you saying you’re better than me?, Do you really believe that he could have won more if he didn’t do an extra HS?, Did you realize he was 30 SA, Shadows embrace?, did you realize what he actually did to get those wins off?, Do you truly believe Shadow shot is all you need to beat me, and/or any other SMART skillful perplexity rune thief? Did you not think Coloxeus kept constant pressure? what happened? Did you realize i was none of the weapons sets you stated above. I’m P/P one of the hardest weapon sets to master, and time. Every initiative counts in that set. So if we were to duel if we were matched up, your strategy is to always try to locate me, by what? Staying stealthed, abusing the mechanic, and waiting for my stealth to ware off? This ain’t Stealth wars 2. Please do answer these questions.

How exactly is P/P hard to master? Especialy if u run it with perplex? You just spam 4 and ur utilitys for stealth + sneak attack… 5 here and there if you need defense (or waste a stealth utility)

You might want to try 0 0 10 30 30 P/P P/P for massive ini regen + massive amount of dodges and spam 4 all day long (like you did in that video), see how broken it really is. Because really, 30 into SA is a complete waste on P/P, even if you use all stealth utilitys. (Use the 10 into SA for the con remove) Or am i missing something here?

Try 10 0 0 30 30 double D/P full zerk/valk, now that is hard to master. (not saying i did master it)

Used to play SB / SB alot 0 30 0 30 10 in Guild Raids + GvGs it’s really good and i think its the most effective you can play. I also played 15 15 0 30 10 for the weakness which is quite good too and i would recommend that in GvGs more than the higher dmg variant. I also tried Venom share but i dont think it’s that good, the venoms are quite nice but you have to waste so many points into DA and SA and i dont think they are that good for large scale combat, especialy SA. If you trait high into Acro you can play rather glasy because you have so many dodges.

Also, why would u use Signet of Shadows? Whenever i see a thief use that in raids i have to facepalm. You get so much swiftness from ur allies + 10 into trickery gives you swiftness on steal anyway (doesnt need a target, unlike bount). Rather swap that out for Signet of Agility for the Endurance refill + con remove (on you and allies, which means more dodges for ur guardians → more healing, etc)

kingcragus.6810:

It’s funny how mad people are about this…don’t like the buff? Think it’s unfair then go to sPvP where the game is apparently more balanced OR transfer to a server the will likely never have the buff.

I for one enjoy solo roaming and am constantly fighting 1v1 1v2 1v3 so I will take any advantage I can get.

yea and then the enemy has all 3 buffs because of coverage and suddenly you face 1vs3 but the enemy has not just number advantage but stat advantage too.

Also when i 1on1 a good roamer i dont want any advantage over him, i want a fair fight. The stat buff kittens that up.

They should just get rid of the stats buff and buff smth else.

AndrewSX.3794:

Or change the buff into something not stat based, like any brain-provided developer would do.

Outmanned: +50/100/150 to all stat depending on how large is disparity

Bloodlust: gain utility buffs depending on how many points you hold, magnitude of buffs (10/20/30%) depends on the points held on different BL’s.
In order:
1 point: +Exp
2 points: +karma
3 points: +Magic Find
4 points: +Gold Find
5 points: +WxP

Hold 1 point on all 3 BL’s -> 30% more Exp.
Hold 3 points in one BL, 5 in another BL and 1 in the third BL -> 30% Exp (3 times 1 point held), 20% karma, 20% MF (2 times held 3 points), 10% Gold Find, 10% Wxp.
Hold 5 points on all BL’s ->30% Exp, Karma, MF, Gold Find, Wxp.

Plus the stomp points.

Bam, everybody is happy.

This, please !

incandescence.6784:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

15 in acro 10 in trickery -> perma swiftness

I don’t understand how this is so, or do you just mean that can give you a lot of swiftness?

You get swiftness on dodge and with 15 into acro you can dodge alot. With 10 into Trickery you can get the trait “Thrill of the Crime” which grants swiftness when you steal, and that doesnt need a target. Cheers !

its not as bad, i hate PvE / dungeons whatever and i dont mind it… i’m almost done with my first ascended. Just run Cof p1 a few times a day

ArtemisEntreri.4138:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

15 in acro 10 in trickery -> perma swiftness

But that’s 25 trait points in trees that will not effectively help a backstab thief.

backstab thief is not only a 0 30 30 10 0 thief… there are quite a few other backstab builds out there.

Even tho i agree with you not every build can afford those 25 points i just wanted to point it out.

Yea i agree i think i will have lots of fun with the new borderlands. Thank you Anet

The only thing i really dont like abt the update is the bloodlust buff… a stat buff takes any competition out of it… lame

cimon.5798:

@ esuni well seems you live in magic fairy land or something because our gvg folks on my server suck 10 of em aint worth 1 pug in a actual wvw situation i.e. takeing and defending a location or leaving it stable with siege

lol you play for points, cute.

(no i dont gvg)

15 in acro 10 in trickery → perma swiftness

I remember when i made my legendary i had to grind karma all day in orr going from event to event… no karma jugs or stuff like that oh well…

Magnetron.5823:

/disagree why do you want to remove a buff in WvW lol

(if its for GvG.. omg you guys are trolls )

Because some people like to get a little bit of competition out of WvW?

I like the idea and i +1 this… no i’m not a GvG player

Wow arena net this is kind of fail… why make the stronger team even stronger?

Why even provide a stat buff… havent you learned from your mistakes? This is so wrong…

Black Teagan.9215:

kittennit.7648:

Grimwolf.7163:

Doomdesire.9365:

They just need to fix 50% mobility in stealth, because it’s currently NOT working out of combat.

It’s not working in combat either. People need to stop perpetuating that myth everywhere.
The in-combat max-speed is not equal to the out of combat max speed; the max speed is capped as a 33% multiplier, period. In or out of combat.

Yes it is working. You run slower while in combat, but if u have the trait + u are in stealth u will be as fast as a out of combat with swiftness… or close to.

That can be, but you MUST be in stealth to use it. That mean that every build, who dont use stealth, like mobility builds, have an useless skill.
Or in other words: The whole thief and nearly all skills are build around stealth and that is the problem, its make him very unflexible, slowly and predictable = weak.

Would they remove the stealth requirement, were this skill much more useful.
But i dont think this were enough to make the thief generally equivalent to the other classes, in buildflexibility and something that give the thief a characteristic to the class.

Or you dont take the trait if you’re not running a stealth heavy build? There are other traits available u know…

Grimwolf.7163:

kittennit.7648:

Grimwolf.7163:

Doomdesire.9365:

They just need to fix 50% mobility in stealth, because it’s currently NOT working out of combat.

It’s not working in combat either. People need to stop perpetuating that myth everywhere.
The in-combat max-speed is not equal to the out of combat max speed; the max speed is capped as a 33% multiplier, period. In or out of combat.

Yes it is working. You run slower while in combat, but if u have the trait + u are in stealth u will be as fast as a out of combat with swiftness… or close to.

No, I am DEAD CERTAIN it does not, and you’re making assumptions that you’re trying to put off as facts. Many people have tested this with actual math, including myself.
There have been multiple threads on this very subject in the past that each came to the eventual conclusion that it does not make you move faster than 33% in combat, but people completely forget about them the moment they’re no longer on the front page of the forums and the same ridiculous misinformation just starts sprouting up all over again.
Nor does it make you move faster with movement impairments on you.

I have tested it again ure right its not working, my bad. I was sure it did.

It does not give +50%, more like 33% just like swiftness, so you basicly get swiftness while in stealth.