The keyword here is 5 PuG first timers. Three hours isn’t that bad considering if you hadn’t done it before + PuGs. Who knows what they gears they bring. Congrats.
First timers of Arah or First timers of P4? The description isn’t clear. If they all are 1st timers of Arah and trying p4 as the first Arah attempt, then the majority (at least 3) are very competent players and it’s remarkable, since they haven’t been wiped at Lupi at all. And once you are competent player, you know darn well that you are. No BS about that, even the thread’s title said “incompetent”.
On the other hand, there isn’t anything remarkable about 1st timers of p4, pug or no pug. You got lucky w/ pug (or not) and you got poor players in regular guilds (or not). Just watch the videos, guides etc, and following the instructions, anyone can do it within 3hrs.
OP, the issue with your poll is that it was done right after a huge nerf to rangers. It’s only to be expected that people would have a knee-jerk reaction and claim rangers are the world profession in the game.
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That’s a speculation w/ confirmation bias undertone and no statistical importance attached to it. Secondly, you assume 45% of people voting out of 1500 voters are emotional less stable than you. Which I think you take yourself too seriously.
The OP could enhance his survey to cover that but ranger class was considered a poor class in dungeons and other contents even before the Search & Rescue fixed.
If you really want to see this as a challenged content, make players fight Mai Trin & the champ during the canon phases (or at least Mai Trin, her attacks are very good to accompany the red circles). What you proposed are just making things tedious. Once players understand the gimmicks, it becomes a tedious routine. No challenge whatsoever.
BTW, we did this w/ a group mostly berzerker build (at least 3-4 of us). Yes, we are wiped multiple times but the real reason is we were all 1st time into it and had no idea what it is. I didn’t change my armors or my build, a full glass canon melee warrior, but changed only 1 set of my weapon to range.
I’m pretty sure whatever Anet puts out are all intended. Only after bugs fixed, exploits fixed, mechanics fixed, balance fixed blahblah then what were intended before now become unintended. Then refixed, rebalanced blahblah then what were unintended now become intended. Wait, what the hell I’m saying?
Come tell me how Scholar is subpar to ruby orbs when your Axe autoattack is hitting for 7k+ and your HB’s are hitting 40-50k+. Or when your Lightning Hammer hits for 18k-18k-28k (that wasn’t me though, that was a guildy).
In CoF with a good group stacking max might and vuln it’s more like between 8K and close to 9K auto.. (not 9K but close)
@Latin :learn to do some maths before speaking. Base damage is superior to crit damage. 10% more base damage will be amplified by the crit damage you already have. Adding a couple more % crit damage doesn’t do nearly as much as adding more % base.
This is also why sigil of force, night, smothering etc are vastly superior to sigil of accuracy as long as your group can maintain a lot of fury. Having slightly higher crit chance is bad compared to having 5 or 10% more base damage.
Latin: Use this equation 1% critical damage = 13.86 power then figure it out yourself why scholar is better with an additional 10% damage.
no, it’s just time to stop being hostile towards the developers and rage like maniacs (not everyone should feel adressed, but quite a few) and start being constructive. Would you answer here as a developler when you’d know that kittenstorm will be incoming? You can’t talk to those people. I mean, what could you reply to “left us here to rot long ago” or the endless tomorrow post? seriously?
I don’t see why anyone has to be afraid of their customers unless they screwed up and they knew it. Even if that happens regardless of whose fault is that, just man-up, admit your mistake and start over again. Any customer wants to continue a dialog, is a customer could be saved. The truth is most morons who never run a business or a company, seeing customers as annoyed and un-appreciative would never understand this part. When customers decided to take a walk, they just quietly leave. Enough of those, here go the laid off notices.
No way, everybody would run away when they heard an anchor guardian shouts “Retreat” or “Save Yourself”.
Seriously, this is a huge joke on Anet collectively or that individual implemented the shout.. Retreat could be changed to Regroup. Save Yourself could be changed to One For All. Sound better and achieved the same result.
5K AP = experience. Experience of what? running from pt A to pt B? And beat some dumb mobs while gathering, doing heart contents, daily group events, special events and more craps like that?
I’m pretty sure that if a person has 7K of that kind of experience would wiped the floor in hard contents more than those w/ 3K experience who’re doing dungeons days in & days out. Any objection to this?
And that someone will be in charge of the new dungeon team because he’s the only one left there knowing something about the contents. “Wait until me taking over the things. You guys haven’t seen anything yet” <Evil laugh>
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You really don’t see rock-solid players until over 5000.
You will never be invited to my party again until I get to 5K achievement.
I was around 4K for 2 mos and just got to 4.8K lately because I have to run w/ my relatives who are new to the game so I ran alot of wrongbow events and exploring maps w/ them. And I really don’t know how that improves my skill.
Judging people’s ability by that silly number. I put a large amount of people with >6k on block list while I know few very good players with <4k.
I really don’t understand why people so highly praise that silly numbers. I can understand what that numbers indicating when it’s below 1.5K but above that? I can silly afk wrongbow myself to 8K of achievement in 10mos of playing at the maw and still a lousy player in a dungeon. Man, even a dungeon master title is still a lousy player in Arah, in my experience if he just ran a couple runs to get his title.
If the reward doesn’t match the difficulty, then we have a problem, not only in game but also in real life. For example, if A is getting the reward in lower difficulty setting while the others getting the same reward with much more efforts in higher difficulty setting, then A will get the stigma. A can justify whatever he wants to, but the stigma is there. The worst part is he’s also aware of that stigma.
The fault is never lying with A. The fault is the system creating that rewarding scheme.
I suggest we abandon ship, if we can’t affect the change.
Trait for markmanship’s grand master Signet of BeastMaster, and load up SoS & SotW for stability & invulnerable. With RaO, GW3,4 & SotH, (and axe & war horn #5), you have everything you need for skipping w/ even the toughest mobs in a solo skipping (Arah p2 last mobs before Brie in my opinion).
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p.s. I hate skipping and I think it ruins the game. oh no my time spent doesnt equal the loot rewards~
people who think like this don’t actually enjoy playing GW2
I have this guild set up for 10 days and only 10 souls signed up (1 signed up just to support me). Man, based on the complains around here, I thought KAT guild members should be in hundreds by now.
I didn’t mean 30/25/0/0/15 would be better than 20/25/0/10/15. Just wanted to make sure you remember all little things when making the decision.
Maybe if they buff that 3% to 10%….
I care about solo performance so that’s why I personally use 30/25/0/0/15.
I was looking to improve my 20s build but it seems to me that I overlooked so many little things in my calculation. I’m going to give the 30s a try.
So you run 30-25-0-10-15?
Also Endurance is not same thing as Adrenaline.
My bad, Endurance isn’t Adrenaline. Which will change everything I’ve said before.
Since you asked, I realized that that’s 7.4% increased in 30s build w/ Stick&Move for the entire 60s duration (based on 5% recharge rate) whereas the 20s build basically got even for the first 33s (8% increased on 4 boons) then lost for the remaining 27s. To make it even, the 20s build need 8 boons in total. And that’s a lot of boons to ask. Am I correct?
30-25-0-0-15 if you have 3 buffs or less. 20-25-0-10-15 if you have 4+ buffs.
this agreed ^. since 4war/1mes teams have fury/might basically only, i run the power build.
tinyurl.com/dpsgw2
notice the boons
for 4 war/1 mes (cof p1/coe) i had 30/25/0/0/15
Unless you run 5 wars or w/ a class doesn’t provide boon’ support, how could you get less than 4 boons w/a mesmer?
Edited: I use excel to confirm Puandro numbers. The difference of power base (60s duration using SoR, 3 boons by war) between 30/25/0/0/15 & 20/25/10/15 is 1485.6, adv to 30s build .A total of 1% better for the entire of 60s duration. If 4 boons are provided, 19.2 adv for 20s build. Unless my math is wrong, it’s not worth it to go 30/25/0/0/15 for the difference is so minuscule. If any class can provide 1 more boon outside of the warrior’s 3s, 30/25/0/0/15 is not an efficient built.
Does your math also include “Dual Wielding” and “Stick and Move”?
No, for these reasons:
Dual Wieding applied to both builds.
Stick and Moved increased 3% damage when Endurance not filled which also means Berserker Power damage base is also dropped at least 5%, Critical Damage dropped at least 4% would put those using these traits at complete disadvantage in total damage output.
Because u have the one u want and nobody else should have it?
No, because it means that when I get the one I want, it shows off the dedication I’m willing to put forth to get something I really want. There’s a level of prestige associated with that which I personally crave. And for the record, no, I don’t yet have the last ones I want.
It was dawned on me 1 day that all the skins I got are from easy levels while at 40s I got nothing.
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Your math seems to be correct, either way the 20/25/0/10/15 build is universal to all dungeons and not just cof P1 farming noobs that believe they are dungeon masters since they ran every other dungeon 1 time.
Haha. That tickles me. That’s why my ranger always carries the DM title while my other toons carry Combat Healer to scare the hell of those pugs. Combat Healer Warrior w/ CoF Shoulder & Glove. What’s a newbie!
Actually, having a zerker guardian isn’t that bad in cof P1 as long as they run the correct build etc, and if the 3 warriors are running the more efficient boon build they will have way more than 4 boons, thus having much more damage than the 30str build.
Though 4 warriors are an easier way to fill the group, it can be a viable option. But again that’s only if you don’t have ignorance filling the rest of the group.
Anyway, back to the topic. The way I see it is a guardian w/ hammer & proper trait will guaranteed 4 boons on demand, plus 2-4 more boons from either RT/HtL. That’s 5-6 boons guaranteed and 2.5K+ average more damage than the 30s built. A mesmer in the group w/ Arcane Thievery & SoI will make it 9-10 (mesmer duration is too short) and that’s a total average of 3.5K+ more damage in 60s duration before TW & efficient boon build. Per warrior.
BTW, I’ve tinkered w/ this build for a while and couldn’t find anyway doing it better. Kudos for Strife (and DnT) best dungeon build for warrior.
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That’s what I find so ironic about people complaining about speedrunners and asking for tweaks/changes so they can’t do it so fast anymore… Guess who usually gets slowed down? The people asking for the tweaks (usually PUGs and kittenters). Guess who usually still beats content the fastest? The speedrunners…
It’s the universal law. The mass who voted to put the handcuffs on others always find themselves being bent over the most.
I run 10/25/0/25/10 w/ berserker gears/trinkets. 10 pts in virtue (master of conseration) is very good for arah & fotm 40s. When not in those areas, trait it to Unscathed Contender for 20% more damage under aegis. (Spam VoC, RT)
Always try to achieve 50% of critical chance & 70% critical damage before buffs while you mixing this and that.
30-25-0-0-15 if you have 3 buffs or less. 20-25-0-10-15 if you have 4+ buffs.
this agreed ^. since 4war/1mes teams have fury/might basically only, i run the power build.
tinyurl.com/dpsgw2
notice the boons
for 4 war/1 mes (cof p1/coe) i had 30/25/0/0/15
Unless you run 5 wars or w/ a class doesn’t provide boon’ support, how could you get less than 4 boons w/a mesmer?
Edited: I use excel to confirm Puandro numbers. The difference of power base (60s duration using SoR, 3 boons by war) between 30/25/0/0/15 & 20/25/10/15 is 1485.6, adv to 30s build .A total of 1% better for the entire of 60s duration. If 4 boons are provided, 19.2 adv for 20s build. Unless my math is wrong, it’s not worth it to go 30/25/0/0/15 for the difference is so minuscule. If any class can provide 1 more boon outside of the warrior’s 3s, 30/25/0/0/15 is not an efficient built.
Edited: Look like I overlooked a few little things that was not supposed to be overlooked, which renders my above opinion incorrectly.
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Good point, those ‘core’ players also spread the word in-game.
I think Anet underestimated this part. If any “core” player having debate w/ those “carebear” players in public forum about GW2’s content, who’s going to win most of the time? Not only that, their words carry weight within their circles.
Fotm skins are supposed to be rare.
They are not rings they are not needed.
at 20 drop rate is low…..
Go to 48 and you get a 23% drop rate…
But please be sure to be experienced….because lately there are too many players that cannot do shaman -.-
Its becoming really frustrating.
Where do you get that 23% drop rate of skins? Personal experience? My experience doesn’t give me that. I am late to fractal so I just ran close to 20 of them (level 48) recently. Not a single skin. Couple rings maybe. Couple shards maybe. On the other hand, I got 5 skins from 28 runs, 2 from 38 runs.
I think the real issue w/ hard contents is there is no definitive prestigious rewards in GW2 at all. Everyone who played GW2 could get carried by others and get the same or better rewards than those who grind through it daily. The only way to fix this problem is creating a new title or rewards by just modifying the old requirements a bit like:
1) Super Grinder Dungeon Master: Require 25 runs per each explored path per dungeon. Every Dungeon Master starts afresh.
2) Super Grinder Fractal Skins: Pulsating Crimson Color Skins: 1 ticket per 25 fractal level 48 completed. The ticket can be redeemed for random Super Grinder Fractal Skin or along with 25 pristines + 750 fractal relics + 50 ectos for a Super Grinder Fractal Skin of your choice.
I just propose the ideas. The required quantity could be changed to fit. Now everybody can get what they wanted. To get a prestigious reward, you just have to grind the kittenes a bit more.
Very nice job. I was leveling a ranger just to do this but I just knew I someone would do this before I got to 80. My bets were on Dub but it looks like you won.
Dub gave up mentally, Obal.
Thanks to those morons giving advises on pets on Ranger’s forum.
This is a Kill-All-Things Guild, not Kill-All-Things-Exploited or Kill-All-Things-Non Exploited. Whatever they want to do in any circumstances is their choice. I have no saying whatsoever.
You have all the right to play the game you want to play. So do others. When the 2 strong opinions collide head on, either you will leave the party in the mid of the run in disgust or they will kick you. And that’s what something I don’t like to see. If you can tag along w/ the flow then find individuals sharing the same idea to run together, the guild invitation is opened for you.
I was on my way home & thought to change “you don’t belong here” to “your post doesn’t belong here”. Certainly your attitude “holier than others” through several other posts in this forum, has irritated me and might give me an idea that you are a trouble maker. If the same question was posted by other individuals, I would answer differently. However if I was mistaken, I apologize.
Anyway, as the OP describes, it’s for like minded individuals to not skipping. That’s all there is to it. I wouldn’t go further than that.
Will using cheap tricks be allowed? I mean, like balling up on a hill where you can auto attack the boss to death without the boss being able to kill you.
Will players have to fight properly?
Please take your gravel elsewhere. This is for guild invitation. Your post doesn’t belong here.
So folks starting up a general dungeon helper thread? That’s cool already got my BA thread in PhP
Why don’t you folks try and promote for both EU and NA ? And have separate ‘ranks’ indicating NA/EU ? If this thing gets bigger just split the region into two chapters?
This is good started Union as a helper but should’ve thought of this too. Always helper new folks with AC was stuck there for 300+hrs out of 400hrs
Why not try that and promote dungeon help for all until it gets bigger? Have some dedicated folks for both NA And EU side?
Great idea. I’ve never actually done this in a dungeon before. I’m not sure I’d want to do this on Arah Path 4 though…
Actually, Arah p4 isn’t that bad to do a full clearing house. With a proper party, it would take about 2.5 hrs. P1 & P2 are much rougher. Out of boredom, couple days ago, I was talking about doing a Arah p3 full clearing house with my friends just for the heck of it, and we really don’t know how long it would take. 2hrs maybe? Definitely longer than the 30min normal p3 run.
However, I never understood the point of spending 10-15 minutes waiting for the “perfect” group, which can complete it in 3-5 minutes less than your typical group.
I’m starting a non rep guild for N/A & EU servers, Kill All Things [KAT], as a service for players who’re interested in running dungeons and kill everything in their paths all the way to bosses, a non-skipping run.
Please post your IGN here or send me a message, so I can invite you to the guild. There is no requirement at all to be accepted in the guild. Your willing to kill everything in your path is sufficient as a proof of your skill. Once in the guild, just turn on LFG tag or whisper guild members for a particular run. Make sure to check member rank to see if that particular member is on NA or EU Servers. They will have suffix NA or EU attached to rank.
You can also invite your friends whom you know sharing the same idea. Please be courteous to others. Rude member will be shown the door.
TeamSpeak channels have been created for members to use if voice comm is preferred. 1 for EU & 1 for NA.
PS: This is not a joke or a troll thread. The purpose of the guild is to provide a central place for like mind individuals to work together. Please do not whisper me for a run. I just do this as a service for the community.
Edited: Proper thanks to Laharl for the original idea & Glitch, an United Guild for EU/NA players with rank indication. And a special thank to Obal & Kumakichi who originated the Arah helping guild.
You’ve probably picked the same thing already, but I just listed below just in case:
Signet Mastery, BeastMaster Might, Signet of Beastmaster. (You can also set up your bow’s attribute here if used)
Primal Reflexes. I’m iffy about this because 1 critical hit by Lupi is considered a gonner. I use Sharpened Edge in normal situations.
Wild_Knowledge (for LR). I’ve tested both & it doesn’t seem Vigor_Ren would stack w/ Nat_Vigor, or not noticeable better than using Wild_Knowledge.
Strength of Spirits & Nature Protections (or 2HT to increase GS damage if used)
The above traits nature is defensive against Lupi, evolving around dodging. If you think you have enough vigor (by using Sigil of Energy), don’t care about toughness & vigor regen, you can move 10 pts of Wild_Surv to Skirmish to increase axe damage then it will be 30-20-0-20-0. BTW, the 30-20-0-20-0 is my glass cannon ranger build w/ diff runes.
Good luck, man.
I rolled my d/d ele as my first and really like her before they started nerfing her to death. Next, is my guard, then war, ranger, mesmer & now half hearted my thief. Every time, I took my ranger to dungeons, I was scratching my head and saying to myself why? Every other profession which I have, contributes better than my ranger. So my poor ranger is now doing nothing except running around in open world. And yes she is so powerful in Open World that all bots using rangers for gathering materials.
