Guild Wars 2

mijkon.9061:

let say if everyone after Emerald have 50% winning change and same skill level. one has WWWWWLLLLL and another has WLWLWLWLWL. Who would go to the next tier? The first one, right? The second person does not have a single pip left with winning like that. This PvP league is all about luck. Many people work hard for hours and get nothing even though we all have equal winning chances with current MMR. I personally have WLWLWLWL like that for week I have not been in luck climbing into Sapphire(at least lost 3 then win 2, I will be happy). Should we at least reward something for those who are on top stats on a team which they try hard to flight until the very end? like not losing a pipe?

I do agree with you but only after sapphire.

Quadox.7834:

messiah.1908:

i dont know how can you hold a point 1v2 or 1v3. sure i can sustain but i will loos the point unless they are really bad players. try to hold it versus necro engi and rev . you cant.

regarding the topic
i think mesmer is in a good spot regarding cleanse. you have torch with trait (which may be buff for 2 condi cleanse and not 1 on each skill)
we have null field which if done right can ruin necro burst from RS skills as he puts mainly poison in RS and nothing else. and mantra which is clancky but ok
insp line is great support line with healing, cleanse, res faster, defender resistance so sure without the trait line you losing much support.
so the question what do we get from other trait line . dueling doest bring much to the table beside blind
domination more cc and little bit dmg but stability may ruin your day.
if we had more power so we can do more pressure in a short time we might if you remember play without cleanse like power shatter used to be.
atm only necro bring condi bomb and nothing else so i dont think we need more condi cleanse with our weapons and even if we did it still would have been 1-2 cleanse with staff #4 maybe and nothing more

Exactly, for shatter mesmer, the problem isn’t lack of condi remove outside of inspiration, it is that the traitlines no longer give enough power (sometimes also utility) anymore. This is due to nerfs and powercreep. For instance, shattered concentration is insufficient at removing boons now because of the boon diarrhea from rev, scrappers, eles etc.

Fixed that for you.

jessiestiles.9437:

Because the system doesn’t work as intended.

But this is basic pvp skills. The system does not have to do anything with it at a large part, and man, diamond and people don’t look at the map, wth is that?

Why people from diamond or ruby can’t even look at the map?

illu/chrono/dueling

Decoy blink port. Sw/Sh Staff

Merc.

Justine.6351:

List race too cause some has decent armors for that look you mention.
Oh and sex too.

Human medium t2 has the feather/wing coat.
Female Norn t2 has those cool leggings.

On my norn female druid I run with:
Heritage mask
Wolf shoulders
Rascal coat
Wolf gloves
Norn t2 leggings
Wolf boots

With dark browns and dark silver metals.

If you want “druid magical” get zodiac pieces ;-)

Human Female.
Can you dye zodiac pieces or its like perma blue or something?

Fay.2357:

StickerHappy.8052:

Fay.2357:

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

You don’t need condition removal as a mandatory function to make Mesmer work.

Know your enemy first and foremost and learn to disengage when you need to.

This is false. I do not know on what MMR you play at but in High MMR matches, you might as well just afk if you do not have any cleanses.

Knowing your enemy is like 5% of the equation. You will never ever beat any condition class without a cleanse. It’s impossible. (Assuming equal skill)

Every class needs condition removal of atleast 1 source.

What you said makes you sound like a bad player who needs a crutch.

Again, I do not know what MMR you play in, so I am assuming you are facing average players.

And you’re clearly a bad player. Case in point, this thread.

Okay, 1v1 my ranger with no condi cleanse. Let’s bet gold on it. NO condi cleanse means no sigils either.

And please no PU.

I can understand the condition cleanse stipulation. But still the hate on pu???

If it’s a 1v1 why would you need PU? I don’t care much for PU because I love Bountiful Disillusionment too much now over it but if you have to rely on PU to win then you’re as bad a player as phokus claims Stickers is.

This is basically the definition of scrub logic. While stickers is right that you’re not going to see PU in most competitive matches, claiming that a win to PU is a false win is nothing other than creating false win conditions that have nothing to do with the actual game.

Oh yea. Lemme ask you pyro, am I delusional that Condition removal is required in competitive pvp matches?

So in the past, you could play power shatter with minimal/no condition removal. You played it as hit and run with ample stealth; engaging rapidly, bursting rapidly, disengaging rapidly. This worked, mostly. If an engineer or necro or trap ranger or something got the jump on you, you died without any question.

Power Mesmer is not viable in the current meta, and so neither is that tactic. Any sort of condie build has a much longer time period of engagement that they need to be impactful on a fight. This is true for power interrupt builds too, not that they’re viable either. Needing to stay in a fight longer means you can’t just blink away in stealth and nurse yourself back to health every time an engineer sneezes on you.

If you run without any condition removal in this meta, you’ll generally end up dead or dying most fights. You won’t accomplish anything useful outside of adding screen clutter. A single necro mark can incapacitate you for most of a fight without removals. What are you going to do with chill, poison, and weakness on you for 10 seconds? What are you going to do if the necro spends 3 seconds to cast more than 1 mark? What will you do when an engineer walks by and covers a point in condition aoe?

Essentially, taking no condition removal means that you can’t fully engage into any fight. Fighting on any point will be abject suicide, and you’ll be eaten alive by many current builds in a 1v1 scenario. Phokus argues that you can just disengage when necessary to stay alive. This is technically true, and will result in you awkwardly standing between points accomplishing nothing for most of be game, hoping that nobody notices you slowly bleeding out in the corner.

With that said and done, what are your suggestions? Really curious to hear em.

Carighan.6758:

StickerHappy.8052:

Please show me a viable build for tourneys

Like in sPvP tournaments? Play a better game mode or if you’re genuinely into 5v5 PvP, play a game centered around that mode, like a MOBA.

This isn’t meant as bashing, but really, for smallscape PVP, there’s entirely specialized games out there.

No offense taken. I think you may have missed my point. I quoted that other bec he is implying we can have a viable tourney build without Inspiration.

So that was the reason I asked.

What’s a great nature based druid look?

I am going for something like the Nature’s Oath Outfit (too bad it’s an outfit) or something like a mystic look (rainbow stuff like bifrost)

Any suggestions, If you can please post weapon skins too!

Helseth is really speaking very good points here. I have no idea why you folks bash him, (his persona)

moomincat.9816:

Run the removes on shatter …… Trait for it, for even more can use the
with torch traited as well, you cant still go crits / hybrid/ condi I really don’t see a problem utils you can still have portal blink, decoy, mass or grav well, read the traits lines and build round them

This is exactly the point of my post. you HAVE to trait into inspiration (condition clears on shatter)

moomincat.9816:

Seven clears on a mesmer isn’t enough, build smart, not just for DPS and your set

Did you read my post?

Please show me a viable build for tourneys

Thane.9421:

Hi, I’m Thane, team captain of Theory of Relativity [EMC], what I would consider a mid-level team that has been competitive in many tournaments. As a devoted PvP player with a team that has been together for over a year, and a devoted Guild Wars fan who has been playing since GW1, I’d like to make a few observations at this pivotal time with Colin Johanson leaving the picture.

PvP in an MMO is a funny thing. The most successful Esports games are typically 100% PvP – League, that sort of thing. They are accessible, arguably balanced, and have top level players who can get 20k+ viewers on twitch at times. These games are 100% committed to their PvP experience, something that just isn’t possible in an MMO.

That being said.

1. PvP and PvE need to have separate skill/trait balancing. I don’t know why exactly you’ve gone back and forth on resorting to this, and while I’m sure on paper a game where skills always operate the same way sounds wonderful, the simple fact is that there is not enough flexibility with builds and skills to have them be balanced in raids, in fractals, in WvW, against world bosses and in PvP. 5v5 point contention, 20 v 20 zerg fights, 50 v 1 enormous boss, you just aren’t going to make that work. Let me give an example: the nerf to alacrity took mesmer almost completely out of the meta for PvP. This brings me to the next point.

2a. When a class is forced completely out of the meta, it needs to be absolute top priority for your PvP team to bring it back in line with the other classes. In particular, now that Pro Leagues are limiting teams to no class stacking, the fact that there are two classes arguably out of the meta right now is just not acceptable. Not only does this disenfranchise some of your top players, but imagine the frustration of being a new player who is in love with and only really knows one class, and arriving in PvP to be greeted in every match with “great, a warrior, I might as well AFK.” Is this a lot to ask? Also, as a corollary:

3. The format for ranked and Pro leagues should be the same. If Pro Leagues eliminates class stacking, so should ranked play. This would honestly do a lot to assist balance, and even though obviously most teams will never get to the Pro Leagues, that’s the dream. You WANT us to want to grind ranked because we are striving to reach the pro level. Ranked team play should feel like the road to the Pro Leagues, even if it’s a road most will never reach the end of. Keep the two consistent if possible.

4. Don’t reinvent the wheel. We all love how committed Guild Wars 2 is to doing new and edgy things, but not so much that it justifies lack of balance. When you’ve got classes that aren’t playable in PvP, instead of picking some arbitrary new build you want to FORCE into the meta, why not look at the builds that have actually worked on that class in the past, and try and bring a couple of those in line with current builds. Builds work for a lot of reasons – one of the important things is that a given build can’t be outclassed at doing the exact same thing on a team by another build, or it just won’t see play (and the players who do play it will be given grief.) So instead of, say, for example, trying to buff rifle, a weapon that has never been taken seriously in PvP on warrior, why not take a look at good old longbow, a weapon that was a lynchpin of Hambow, Shoutbow, and GS/longbow, all of which were meta warrior builds in their time. When something isn’t working, sometimes you should look at when it was working.

5. Balance based on high level play, not low level play. As much as it might frustrate some new players to get shut down by the occasional ‘easy to play’ spike build, a healthy high level game is essential to the health of the game overall. Bad players are going to get wrecked by things that they shouldn’t, and some builds are just easier to play, so they come out stronger at low skill levels. Often times, these are going to be builds that can put out a high amount of pressure, because less skilled players aren’t proficient at kiting and dodging effectively. Nerfing based on these complaints results in bunk meta, and boring high level play, or classes being drummed out of the meta, like has happened with Dragon Hunter. It is also honestly not a favor to the low level players.

6. Get these PvE rewards that every Guild Wars 2 player feels entitled to out of our ranked PvP. The way to get more people invested in PvP isn’t to railroad PvE players into it! PvP needs NEW players that are interested BECAUSE OF PVP. Players who will log the hours to play the THOUSANDS OF GAMES it takes to actually become top players, or even mid tier players, honestly. Sure, PvP players want some swag, but what we don’t want is PvE players coming in to ‘get their dailies’ or players wanting MMR to somehow create an artificially even playing field where anyone can climb to Legendary if they just play a lot, because they want their shiny wings. No. Create parallel systems to get the same items/skins in PvE and PvP involving similar amounts of effort, so you aren’t forcing PvP people to grind PvE or PvE people to grind PvP, and you’d be doing your community a huge favor.

7. Season are neat, but the ladders and ranks need to be permanent. Refresh them at the start of a season, sure. But forcing everyone into unranked while the seasons are inactive is like cruel and unusual punishment. Not only does it make a mess of MMR, it forces us to play on maps that are utterly irrelevant to ranked players, and honestly turns the heart of the mist into a ghost town.

8. Put some stuff to do in Heart of the Mist. A jumping puzzle? Mini games? ANYTHING? As much as I love killing the same 3-4 npcs at a time thousands of times, actually no, no I don’t love spending that much of my time logged into GW2 just…. waiting. Addressing queue times is an excellent step here, but you all could definitely improve quality of life for PvP players by giving us a bit more to do in HotM.

9. Maybe give some love to hot joins, I don’t know. Create a reason that non-serious, less competitive players might actually WANT to do unranked or hot join play, instead of feeling like if they don’t do ranked they aren’t making progress. Maybe bring back Zaishen quests? Make arenas less expensive? Open up more options in arenas, rather than wasting time on Guild Hall pvp arenas, where you can’t use amulets?

10. Start working on a way to poll top tier players for input on balance. Whether you open a test server, send out surveys, monitor top level play, or a combination of all, it needs to happen. It’s painfully obvious that some of these balance decisions are made by people who don’t have a very deep grasp of PvP strategy, builds and team composition. You have a community where some people have dedicated their time to thousands on thousands of games… utilize that, it’s just ridiculous not to.

I’m sure there are many who will disagree with a lot of what I’ve said here, but at the end of the day, Anet: you need to decide who your audience is, and make a product that will appeal to them. Whether that is your current PvE players, or potential GW2 players who might be drawn in by a more balanced, competitive PvP game with a robust Pro League and top level play to entice them.

Please do everyone a favor and also post this on reddit.

Apparently that’s where the action is.

Flumek.9043:

style.6173:

Why would there be many posts on engi and druid when those are the 4th and 5th best classes in PvP? Rev, necro, and bunker ele are 1-3 in whichever order you want.

Thats what im asking…

Necor and rev are top2 without a doubt…But no matter how stronger necro is, a rev is still the better one to be stacked cz necro has simply too many weaknesses, while rev is the braindead dodger.

Same for ele, it heals for a ton more, but its rezz power is way weaker and its not preferd to be in 1v1.

Meanwhile
Scrapper and druid cover 80% of the support needs you can wish for in a 2v2, better rezzpower,
while they want 1v1s and can live 2v1s way longer.

Tldr
3 druid 2 scraper beats 3 necro 2 eles,
and they do it with the good old boring outstalling….so why are pitchforks raised against necro ?

Is that the reason why there is only 1 druid in the finals and was useless other than ressing?

Velimere.7685:

If you need people to queue with, K Pop, you can queue with Soul and I. He just hit Diamond Division and I’m getting pretty close myself. I can also vouch for Sticker’s skill, though he did kitten me off once when he swapped twice in a match on my team.

Thanks! aww when was that time? I must having a bad streak that time haha. btw, Do you play in a team rn?

Add me in game. Interested in looking for people

We are super casual though. All working real life. So we tend to be on at night time, 8 PM for PST.

I hope the casualness do not turn you off.

For now its just for regular queing. AGs in the future maybe.

Grimreaper.5370:

Just a friendly reminder that this topic isn’t about balancing the class, its about making the tempest mechanics fun to use and right now I’m under the impression most people would say the mechanics behind tempest are quite boring.

I just find it abyssmal when people correct you here in the forums, but have no idea how skilled you are.

To all you guys stuck on amber, sapphire, emerald., Let’s all que together, it’s all better for us to que since we can have TS. Because if you solo que, you cannot control those 4 other people on your team.

If any of you guys are interested, PM me ingame or send me a Mail. Ty,

Aether the Nob.9172:

I’m in T6 diamond. Since starting T4, I have had 30 min long queues or more (besides games where the 10 people re-queue at the same time).

The only way for me to reliably get a queue pop is to party with people who are below my division, which makes it easier for matchmaking to find the rest of the 10 players. But that obviously puts me at a disadvantage, because I have to queue with a lower ranked player, who is also not benefiting himself by helping me.

Its pretty clear this is bullkitten. Am I THAT much better than the division lower than me that I cannot be queued with Ruby players if there are not enough diamonds?

Please fix this, I have easily spent 2x my actual playtime in queues this season. Yes, I’ve tried re-queuing, and I’ve tried letting it run. There just aren’t enough players for me to queue with. I honestly have never been this frustrated at Anet, or matchmaking in general, than I am in these 1 hour+ queues.

We are all rooted on the same problem, you for one will have no people to que with, hell even sapphire people have trouble getting out of sapphire because of the abyssmal matchmaking. Blame it on the matchmaking, the longer people are stuck in lower divisions not because of being unskilled, but the ques being mostly dependent on luck, the longer time it will take for your situation to go on and on and on.

skcamow.3527:

StickerHappy.8052:

Fay.2357:

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

You don’t need condition removal as a mandatory function to make Mesmer work.

Know your enemy first and foremost and learn to disengage when you need to.

This is false. I do not know on what MMR you play at but in High MMR matches, you might as well just afk if you do not have any cleanses.

Knowing your enemy is like 5% of the equation. You will never ever beat any condition class without a cleanse. It’s impossible. (Assuming equal skill)

Every class needs condition removal of atleast 1 source.

What you said makes you sound like a bad player who needs a crutch.

Again, I do not know what MMR you play in, so I am assuming you are facing average players.

And you’re clearly a bad player. Case in point, this thread.

Okay, 1v1 my ranger with no condi cleanse. Let’s bet gold on it. NO condi cleanse means no sigils either.

And please no PU.

I can understand the condition cleanse stipulation. But still the hate on pu???

If it’s a 1v1 why would you need PU? I don’t care much for PU because I love Bountiful Disillusionment too much now over it but if you have to rely on PU to win then you’re as bad a player as phokus claims Stickers is.

This is basically the definition of scrub logic. While stickers is right that you’re not going to see PU in most competitive matches, claiming that a win to PU is a false win is nothing other than creating false win conditions that have nothing to do with the actual game.

Oh yea. Lemme ask you pyro, am I delusional that Condition removal is required in competitive pvp matches?

Yay for rhetorical questions.

No seriously, Maybe it’s just me or, everyone is either really good playing without or minimal cleanses in this meta or I am just bad.

Fay.2357:

Jace al Thor.6745:

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

You don’t need condition removal as a mandatory function to make Mesmer work.

Know your enemy first and foremost and learn to disengage when you need to.

This is false. I do not know on what MMR you play at but in High MMR matches, you might as well just afk if you do not have any cleanses.

Knowing your enemy is like 5% of the equation. You will never ever beat any condition class without a cleanse. It’s impossible. (Assuming equal skill)

Every class needs condition removal of atleast 1 source.

What you said makes you sound like a bad player who needs a crutch.

Again, I do not know what MMR you play in, so I am assuming you are facing average players.

And you’re clearly a bad player. Case in point, this thread.

Okay, 1v1 my ranger with no condi cleanse. Let’s bet gold on it. NO condi cleanse means no sigils either.

And please no PU.

I can understand the condition cleanse stipulation. But still the hate on pu???

If it’s a 1v1 why would you need PU? I don’t care much for PU because I love Bountiful Disillusionment too much now over it but if you have to rely on PU to win then you’re as bad a player as phokus claims Stickers is.

This is basically the definition of scrub logic. While stickers is right that you’re not going to see PU in most competitive matches, claiming that a win to PU is a false win is nothing other than creating false win conditions that have nothing to do with the actual game.

Oh yea. Lemme ask you pyro, am I delusional that Condition removal is required in competitive pvp matches?

msalakka.4653:

denis.9487:

I just wanted the reason. I still find it interesting pu has still so much hate. Even after nerfs. I suppose another thread.

Bad players need something to blame for losing. It’s not that they lacked the skill to kill someone, it’s because their opponent ran the evil permastealth fullcondi zerker permaheal boonbomber build.

This has nothing to do with being bad or what not. Just recreating what really happens on an actual Scrimm or tourney.

denis.9487:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

You don’t need condition removal as a mandatory function to make Mesmer work.

Know your enemy first and foremost and learn to disengage when you need to.

This is false. I do not know on what MMR you play at but in High MMR matches, you might as well just afk if you do not have any cleanses.

Knowing your enemy is like 5% of the equation. You will never ever beat any condition class without a cleanse. It’s impossible. (Assuming equal skill)

Every class needs condition removal of atleast 1 source.

What you said makes you sound like a bad player who needs a crutch.

Again, I do not know what MMR you play in, so I am assuming you are facing average players.

And you’re clearly a bad player. Case in point, this thread.

Okay, 1v1 my ranger with no condi cleanse. Let’s bet gold on it. NO condi cleanse means no sigils either.

And please no PU.

I can understand the condition cleanse stipulation. But still the hate on pu???

Because PU does not happen in a real 5v5 match. My topic was about Condi Cleanse in an organized 5v5, you know when you get focused. And this guy phokus tells me I’m a bad player that I need cleanse on a competitive team match. I mean… really?

Ruru.1302:

People that refuse to multiclass disgust me.

Same crap tho. Matchmaking is a mess.

Togo.7094:

anet said that 5 man premades wouldn’t face a full group of pugs. that being said a full pug group could face: 2+1+1+1 or 3+2 or 3+1+1 or 4+1

Which is utter kittene. 4+1 on Comms will have a major advantage most of the time.

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

StickerHappy.8052:

phokus.8934:

You don’t need condition removal as a mandatory function to make Mesmer work.

Know your enemy first and foremost and learn to disengage when you need to.

This is false. I do not know on what MMR you play at but in High MMR matches, you might as well just afk if you do not have any cleanses.

Knowing your enemy is like 5% of the equation. You will never ever beat any condition class without a cleanse. It’s impossible. (Assuming equal skill)

Every class needs condition removal of atleast 1 source.

What you said makes you sound like a bad player who needs a crutch.

Again, I do not know what MMR you play in, so I am assuming you are facing average players.

And you’re clearly a bad player. Case in point, this thread.

Okay, 1v1 my ranger with no condi cleanse. Let’s bet gold on it. NO condi cleanse means no sigils either.

And please no PU.

Saiyan.1704:

zxstanyxz.8769:

MadRabbit.3179:

What would it clear up?

it would show all the bad players how bad they really are when half of them think they’re the best players out there

It’ll show players how bad they are while seeing that 1 random high mmr in a group of 5.

Players don’t want the world to know their bad and they don’t want to be asked.
Players will rage when their mmr keeps lowering due to “their team being bad” and “bad matchmaking”.

I don’t see anything possitive for mmr being available for players, whether it be private or public. If anything, it’ll show how inaccurate the MMR/Glicko/Matchmaking algorithm truly is in GW2 PvP so it’s really not in Anet’s best interest to do so.

^that’s the main point, so for once we can know if we have a working Matchmaking system. That’s all people need to find out. IF it’s not working that’s one major reason to screw pvp altogether.

Novuake.2691:

StickerHappy.8052:

It goes for any other class, key is when to interrupt. Revs do great against druids,

What am i supposed to be interrupting?
Revs have a lot more burst and pressure than scrapper does. A lot more frequent CC too. Less sustain at least.

Rejuv Tides

Novuake.2691:

StickerHappy.8052:

You have multiple CCs. Warhorn 4, Staff 5. CC them during Tides of Rejuv. Corrupt Stab works too.

So necro again? Sigh.

It goes for any other class, key is when to interrupt. Revs do great against druids,

Daunt.8239:

Novuake is right and StickerHappy is afraid of losing the only build he can win ranked with.

For the record I main mesmer so…

Novuake.2691:

StickerHappy.8052:

Oh, you gotta wait for them to Go Druid form, that’s when you CC. You also Condi Bomb them In Druid Form not BEFORE since they have druidic Clarity. Necro is pretty good if you are in melee rangers, otherwise a good ranger will just kite you.

Thank you, now was that so hard?

Now what do I do as a NON-condi. I run a higher damage variation on the scrapper meta build using marauder. And before you ask, no i dont get better results vs them using full meta. Hits like a wet noodle and they shrug it off like its nothing.

You have multiple CCs. Warhorn 4, Staff 5. CC them during Tides of Rejuv. Corrupt Stab works too.

Novuake.2691:

StickerHappy.8052:

They have 1 stab accesss, 2 if you wanna take something that roots them into place for ~2 secs, 1 instant condi cleanse.

I think its you.

Great, so what, you saying i should go necro? thats what it looks like….

I even used elixir X and got rampage as a test. They manage to outsustain even that kind of pressure despite chain cc.

So instead of making some vague insulting comment, answer the kittening question? Alternatively kittenoff.

WTF is wrong with you people on this forum? Gezus.

Oh, you gotta wait for them to Go Druid form, that’s when you CC. You also Condi Bomb them In Druid Form not BEFORE since they have druidic Clarity. Necro is pretty good if you are in melee rangers, otherwise a good ranger will just kite you.

HipposWild.7185:

No I had a good streak followed by one game where it looked like two players just weren’t playing followed by some of the most aggravating games I’ve ever played including one where we 2v4ed far keeping it decapped for at least two minutes to look up and realize our other three team mates were not actually doing anything…. they were literally huddled up waiting for the other team to go off point I guess.

And people say Matchmaking its working. This is not even whining. These are facts that people experience.

Novuake.2691:

Can someone please explain to me WTF is up with Druid?

I mean sreiously, wtf am i supposed to do vs them? Run necro? that seems to be the answer to everything.

Get them low, they spam cc and sustain, suddenly they are full and their pet has pressured you so much you need to backoff.

All they seem to need to do is staff auto and spam f2 at slightly the right time.

How is this okay? Or is there something im missing?

They have 1 stab accesss, 2 if you wanna take something that roots them into place for ~2 secs, 1 instant condi cleanse.

I think its you.

sephiroth.4217:

Malediktus.9250:

Torafugu.1087:

sephiroth.4217:

Don’t play ranked if you aren’t good enough to compete… I don’t play professional sports because I’m not good enough.

Just do Unranked.

He’s good enough to compete.
but the system doesn’t think so
and it proves itself right by paring him with idiots.
And you think the solution is for him to go to unranked.

He is probably one of the people profitting from easy win streaks

I’ve had a lot of win streaks but that was after my loss streak, I adapted my builds and playstyles according to my allies, I switched toons when needed and rotated while allies tunnel visioned mid. I progressed through the ranks after I got good so to speak or brought a more useful build suited to allies, such as druid if my team was running mostly glass builds.

This season is not a grind season, there is no medal for every player just because they qued for ranked.

Adapted builds? You have no idea what everyone is running in solo q, they don’t even answer sometimes.

HipposWild.7185:

Remember in season one when all those people were exploiting the system by tanking their mmr or picking up an amber player either on an alt account or just any amber who knew how to use map chat so they could get to legend without actual legend skill? What was ANET’s response? Yeah… Would it have been hard to respond to people asking for the tag along player to be assigned the same rank as the max team member? NO. Did it take till after the season? Sure why not. Did they even do a kittening thing to players who abused the system and made the whole first season meaningless? Ohh yeah of course not. They gave them shinnies.

It’s like when someone collapses your world economy.. and you give them a kitten load of money for it.

Too busy celebrating a successful first season to see if it was actually working I guess. Does anyone expect them to suddenly change this approach?

You remember our match earlier?

Kuya.6495:

StickerHappy.8052:

Sunshine.5014:

I just watched the first one. There are a few rotation mistakes here:
1) You rushed in at the beginning when you only have 1 teammate behind you. That’s usually the most common beginner mistake in rotation. Always count your number before jumping into a fight. In a 2v4 you will die 100% of time unless you are an ESL player (in which case I still doubt they can win 2v4 against the average players). It’s even worse that your other teammate is a Thief, who won’t be able to peel/heal you.
2) You tried to rez multiple times when you didn’t have skills to secure the rez (for example, knock the enemy out). If you don’t have those skills to secure the rez, then don’t rez it.
3) You don’t seem to be able to take advantage of the chain daze and block from Scrapper. Learn the leap daze combo and leap heal combo. Block from Scrapper is really OP.
4) At 8:10, you got stuck in the terrain. Learn the map so it doesn’t happen in the future.
5) You also stay in the red circles a lot of times. Positioning is very important. Just think that if you manage to stay outside of a red circle, you heal yourself 2k (random number).

Wow way to go, didn’t you see how his teammates played, he mightve done all you said but that doesn’t change the fact that Matchmaking is hideous.

I think this post encapsulates perfectly the essence of this whole kerfuffle on the forums:

“Everything is matchmaking’s fault” vs. “I want to get better at pvp”

Kudos to the OP for asking the right question, and kudos for sunshine for actually answering the question.

Vs, PvP is a TEAM GAME. If you solo q, and even if you are super good, you are at your teammates mercy.

Sunshine.5014:

I just watched the first one. There are a few rotation mistakes here:
1) You rushed in at the beginning when you only have 1 teammate behind you. That’s usually the most common beginner mistake in rotation. Always count your number before jumping into a fight. In a 2v4 you will die 100% of time unless you are an ESL player (in which case I still doubt they can win 2v4 against the average players). It’s even worse that your other teammate is a Thief, who won’t be able to peel/heal you.
2) You tried to rez multiple times when you didn’t have skills to secure the rez (for example, knock the enemy out). If you don’t have those skills to secure the rez, then don’t rez it.
3) You don’t seem to be able to take advantage of the chain daze and block from Scrapper. Learn the leap daze combo and leap heal combo. Block from Scrapper is really OP.
4) At 8:10, you got stuck in the terrain. Learn the map so it doesn’t happen in the future.
5) You also stay in the red circles a lot of times. Positioning is very important. Just think that if you manage to stay outside of a red circle, you heal yourself 2k (random number).

Wow way to go, didn’t you see how his teammates played, he mightve done all you said but that doesn’t change the fact that Matchmaking is hideous.

Silverkey.2078:

1. create illusions (the more the longer F5 will work)
2. start casting one of the skill you want to double
3. cast F5 before the end of the cast of the above-mentioned skill
4. cast all the skills you want/can
5. F5 expires, your cooldowns are back

So I have to cast f5 while let’s say for example, mid channel (half bar) before it casts for gravity well?

Faux Play.6104:

Here are some examples of my matches. Like most casuals on the wrong side of the MMR formula I’m frustrated with losing. Going back and watching my matches I know there is stuff I could have done better. What is my biggest issue?

“Season 2 Match 1 —- Loss 503-299 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51464168
“Season 2 Match 2 — Win 500 – 363 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480016
“Season 2 Match 3 --- Win 501 – 413 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480100
“Season 2 Match 4 —- Loss 500 -203 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480229
“Seaon 2 Match 5 --- Loss 500 – 186 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480296
“Season 2 Match 6 —- Loss 503 -203 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480363
“Season 2 Match 7 --- Loss 500 – 206 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480633
“Season 2 Match 8 —- Loss 500 – 466 ":http://www.twitch.tv/ccreynolds/v/51480756

Stopped watching after first match. Hideous teammates, you were the only one on point at mid, warrior was roaming around…smh..

How do you use f5 again, if I wanted to double up on my skills?

Man, I get it sometimes but most of the time I don’t.

Dawdler.8521:

StickerHappy.8052:

So the people defending the system, any tips?

Sure: you should have queued as a 5 man.

I honestly dont see anything wrong with that pic at all. You faced a guild group. Expected outcome is a blowout loss. Which is exactly what happened. Wierd.

So matchmaking is?…..

Neschast.7196:

Currently running condishatter, and I when I tested on Svanir/Chieftain, I noticed that I get the blind on evade, but not confusion. Has anyone else gotten this?

Tested this before, I think it only procs the blind for some reason.

I see a lot of people here saying that lower division people have a harder time getting up tiers, Which is true if this is the matchups you get:

So the people defending the system, any tips?

Constantin.5608:

did either team get to 400 points ? i think desertion doesn’t count if 400 or maybe 300 points are hit

otherwise you could do your team a solid and log out to prevent the other four from losing a pip; the penalty is only 15 minutes anyway – one extra long pee break

We had a dc at the beginning of a game then came back halfway, for sure there is no winning that match. Still lost a pip.

Crimson Shi.5047:

Uh… that looked like a really good game… and all were sapphire, those were the results to be expected, guess people will cry a river even if the match was a good one. Point about winners? There’s always gonna be a loser.

Solo q vs premade? okay. If you tell premades do not have an advantage, how bout next ESL lets have the Abjured vs Random group of pro players?

AegisFLCL.7623:

Esonver.8470:

AegisFLCL.7623:

Uh, you guys did incredibly well against them. I don’t see the issue…

Hello, OP is in red team.

I can see that, 67 points is hardly a huge point discrepancy; against a grouped team at that. I’ve had several wins that were 500+ to 0. The game was likely close, he’s just complaining about being matched against a group when it’s been stated this is possible for 1v4.

I legit just played an ESL team and we went the full 15 mins with a score of 347 to 254, and managed to win. I really don’t see the issue here…

Most exciting match I’ve ever played, and easily one of the best pvp experiences I’ve had.

Being in a premade itself is an advantage, and then take comms into the equation. I agree this is a close game, but to lose a pip because they had the premade advantage?
Okay.

Such A fail system. Get your System together.

Falan.1839:

Definitely Ele. It can bunker a point and give amazing support for teammates at the same time (heal/condicleanse/auras/boons). A midfight of two vaguely similar skilled teams (usually 3v3 or 4v4 in pug matches atm) between a grp without Ele and with Ele will almost always see the Team with Ele win. Rev’s are good DPS dealers and Scrapper good bruisers, but can be replaced by other classes relatively easily (DH and Druid respectively for example), while there is simply no other class that offers what Ele has to offer atm. I’m really surprised how few Eles are around in Pug matches, considering that ele is basically the new bunker mes when it comes to carrying solo Q.

The Vermillion vs The Abjured series at the Pro League Final was a prime example for this on the highest level. Matches were relatively close before with Vermillion even taking a match, but when Vermillion removed their ele to have 2 Revs while keeping their Ranger it turned into an absolute steamroll for The Abjured.

But but but… Eles be like… “No more Celestial, Please Delete Ele”

I wish disenchanter was not RNG.