I would like to add my voice to the “Warriors are OP” side of things. Arenanet acknowledge that warrior mobility is too high at the moment, but there’s probably more to it than that.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Guardians are probably the most balanced, they have good offense and great defense, but suffer in the range and mobility department. The have a lot of boons/support and condition removal, but very few applications of conditions or boon removal. (not like the last part matters) They don’t really have any dead skills or trait, nor too many bugs, their just about right all round.
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Condition removal is limited and on long cooldowns. A condi spammer such as a necro will annihilate a guardian, as will a condi-warrior (of course).
Dead Traits: I’ve seen some of the garbage traits on other classes and can confirm that while most Guardian traits are … okay (if not desirable), there’s only two or three builds that any serious guardian will go with (in PvP, WvW or PvE).
Dead Traits: Take a look at the downed traits: [Revenge of the Fallen] “+50% damage while downed”. Nobody in their right mind would take this trait. Likewise [Strength of the Fallen] “Lose health slower when downed”.
Dead Traits: Then there is the myriad of wasted Spirit Weapon oriented traits and the skills to go with them : [Wrathful Spirits], [Eternal Spirit], [A Fire Inside], [Improved Spirit-Weapon Duration]
^So thrown-together was this last one that they didn’t even think of a fancy name for it.
Dead Skills: [Bow of Truth] [Hammer of Wisdom] [Sword of Justice] [Shield of the Avenger]. They were crappy before they got nerfed, now they are obsolete.
Is it any wonder that the most popular trait line is the one with no spirit weapon traits on it?
Dead Skill: Merciful Intervention: This is horribly bugged – you just teleport to the nearest piece of furniture or hillside. If it were a desirable skill, this would be a sad thing but it’s not.
Dead Skills: Signets: Aside from Signet of Resolve, they’re simply not good enough.
I’ll leave it at that, but as you can see, there’s plenty to work on and Guardians aren’t quite the perfect class Arenanet made them out to be.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Forget any buffs, the devs just did Ready Up 15 where they tried to justify the guardian’s current position, stating that they are happy with it where it is – any requests for buffs will therefore be in vain.
Extrapolating on this, Guardians who spec away from shouts and boon-oriented traits, such as Meditation builds, are not playing as intended. Perhaps the traits need to be reworked?
… I can’t see that happening because Guardians are in a good place, right?
Reroll OP warrior like everybody else, the only thing devs see as wrong with them is their movement.
Why does Guardian have cone abilities (shield #4 & torch #5 condi removal & Healing Breeze) when he is supposed to be in front of his allies?
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I enjoyed the Ready Up and would like to say thanks for doing it.
Arenanet obviously have to be very careful what they say and I think they did a good job of conveying the myriad of factors that makes balance such a nightmare, and sometimes often seemingly unfair.
[edit] (because it is, by design).
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I disagree with all of the suggestions on the OP’s post. Every single one.
I believe there should be an allegiance system.
I think there should be better and more interesting upgrades available at a keep, things that make you want to keep it. This way servers can say “we concentrate on keeping this keep, and the others can be wooden” etc. Perhaps make it so that only certain keeps can get certain upgrades to encourage this “choice” aspect [edit: on second thoughts, this is an awful idea]. One example: Golem repair/upgrade workshop.
It’s my opinion that there should be a set number of guards for each realm and that number should get recalculated at tick depending on the following rule: The number of guards you have should be spread across your currently held objectives. This will make it less likely that one side will be focused down to nothing, and much more difficult for the enemy to do so.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
HOW TO CHANGE WVWVW? (THIS IS A WIP)
- New way of distributing score: multiply score based on how long structure A has been held: this will encourage defending for more score
- Give weekly rewards for match-ups to all players.
Please expand on this. Do you mean ALL players? Or people who did enough in WvW to earn these rewards? Are these rewards the same as the chest(s) we all get every week?
- Give empty buildings (to counter PvDoor) npcs that scale with the amount of players inside: nobody inside? Add more npcs and give them the option to use siege weapons, supply and blueprints. This will promote the feel of a vibrant world, and will counter PvDoor.
This one makes no sense. This idea promotes people vacating buildings.
A better idea would be to have a certain number of NPC guards and spread that number across the number of objectives you own. Thus, if you own fewer buildings, you have more guards at each building. Conversely, as you gain more objectives, each has fewer NPC guards, allowing smaller groups of enemies to attack them more easily.
- Add in risk vs. reward (small scale and guild groups > blobbing)
I have two points about this:
There is no point in rewarding smaller groups (virtually) materially for attacking larger ones. There are already many groups who run small groups and try to take on the skill-less blob. The motivation is already there. FUN.
It will require a skills rebalance to allow small groups to take on huge blobs and win. At the moment there is an approximate threshold above which a smaller group simply can’t beat a blob, regardless of how much skill they have. I think this is probably working as intended and I’m OK with it.
- Make defending rewards similar to the reward for a dungeon run, based on how long you in particular were active in the defense.
I don’t see why.
This could be a massive gold-inflatory problem. While I can see that your counter being that it would be dependent on how long the defence was, I think this could be exploited far too easily. “Defend-Bots” would definitely be a problem for a number of reasons.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
It has come to the point that as WvW has not received real updates since launch that we ourselves would not mind doing the testing.
I can appreciate that many people don’t like EotM, but don’t conflate a lack of updates that you personally like with a lack of updates. WvW has added a great deal of content and rewards over just the last calendar year.
Hopefully you will find more you like in future updates and we’ll continue to add to the game.
From my perspective, EotM was more than any of us wanted. There’s far too much content in EotM. Too much time and effort was put into it.
It’s my perception that we don’t want that much stuff, we want less complex (non-floating) maps with very few if any of the crazy new mechanics you threw in as experiments.
I think we just want a slightly different landscape (perhaps a map rotation) – it’s as simple as that. And it shouldn’t matter if you kitten-it-up balance-wise because there would be 3 versions of it.
Is there somewhere I can see one of those infographics for the final week of the league? Our server put in a lot of extra effort and I’d be interested in seeing what happened in numerical form.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Appropos – looking at some “past” games being much better in some ways – yes, it’s becoming a bit disgusting.
One person said it best:
If the errors in WvW were gem store based, WvW would be taken offline and it would be fixed that day.
To expand on my previous statement, I am of the firm belief that many of the important decisions regarding games of this genre (realm-based battle MMOs, not just GW2) are made by people who have little passion for it and few qualifications/little experience or competence in it.
Yes. I’m especially disgusted that the only way to get a realm-play game made, after many previous games have proved that this game-mode is popular, is to get it Kickstartered. It’s hard to believe that in an industry that prides itself on it’s supposed creativity and passion they wouldn’t be able to cater to this want.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
The lack of content for WvW has been shocking. One rather terrible map since release is just not enough. They changed a few parts and removed the water which i think was the right move. They could really shake up the maps each season, changing them up.
Actually, I found EotM to be a fascinating insight into what Arenanet are capable of. Ironically, we don’t need a map so intricate, complex and packed with features and content. We simply don’t want or need a lot of what EotM contained. Keep it simple! Arenanet don’t have to spend that many resources on WvW, especially if they are then going to ignore WvW for months and months on end.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I would also conduct a comprehensive analysis to ascertain which colour has waypoints over each week. If it’s green, then green’s map could perhaps be changed to make capturing things easier. Alternatively, Arenanet could offer incentives to the other teams to take green’s objectives.
I (and others) suggested incentivising teaming-up on the currently-leading-server-at-any-one-time in the original round of CDIs.
Guess what: nothing happened.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I agree with Joe. My version of WvW would be a tabula rasa.
Having said this, I realise it’s not going to happen. I would therefore start with …
Megaserver. That’s right, I’d megaserver WvW. I feel this is inevitable anyway. I’d create allegiances to NPC Generals/Lords (whatever you want to call them) instead. It’d work exactly as it does now, but in the initialisation phase, you select an NPC faction. Suddenly the factions can have individual character such as permanent banners and graphics unique to each (unlike worlds). I’m sure you can think of more ways this is superior to the current system.
Changing allegiance should be very tricky. I suggest ONE free transfer AFTER each “league/tournament” during a very short window – let’s get rid of this “buying guilds” nonsense.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I think it would help the forum goers a great deal to have an idea of what the team is currently munching on, so to speak. We all know how many things were in previous CDIs that are not yet real, but we don’t know how many are perhaps being considered. To prevent a new CDI from being flooded with ‘REMEMBER THOSE COMMANDER TAG CHANGES???", let us know what is on the table and what isn’t.
“New maps aren’t in the budget this year” – imaginary red post
Ok, good! Now I know not to type up a bunch of junk about what I would like to see in a new map. Instead, I can focus my energies on suggestions about things you are actually considering. This is only an example.
If a CDI drops before the forum goers have any idea of what is on the horizon or totally not considered, it will be hundreds of posts about irrelevant things. I am not expecting a road map, just some gentle direction. Save yourselves a migraine later, throw us a bone now.
I agree 100% with this, but we know it will be based on “Tournaments”, rather than other aspects of WvW, so… that really narrows it down a lot.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Precursors keep people playing. It’s important that something in the game be very difficult to accomplish. I’ve seen people quit once they’ve achieved their goals.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Then one day I ran into a flipper, which I think is just a slur for “investor”.
It’s a little more complicated than that. A flipper is someone who accumulates gold quickly by buying items priced below the market average (buying from players who either don’t know the value of the items or aren’t interested in waiting for a buyer who will offer market value) and “flipping” them by immediately offering them for sale at market value to someone else. The risk to this is that if he misjudges the market price, he may not sell the items quickly enough, tying up a lot of gold in unsold inventory and costing more in TP fees when he cancels and relists.
This is great in theory, but most flippers will have enough cash to just sit on stuff at the new price. I see it all the time, loads of items way higher than market price that will not sell unless Arenanet change the game in some way. And they (we) can sit on those sell orders forever, paying no fee.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I won’t lie. My inspiration for this topic is that I want the legendary Kraitkin as a staff.
SO, as you may have guessed, the idea is to recycle some of the old tridents to be used as staves. This is not a new idea, Arenanet, you did it yourselves with some of the existing sets.
Another reason for requesting this is that some tridents look WAY better than the spears in the same set. For example:
For WvW the bog standard (for Guardians in groups) is the AH trait build.
Something like 1,0,6,6,1
Zeal (First Minor)
Valor IV, VI, XI
Honor II, IX, XI
Virtues (First Minor)
Make sure to run 2-handed weapons. Use Staff #4 as much as you can for heals and more heals.
I usually run 2 shouts and something else.
For PvP, the standard is Meditations
Valor I, X, XII
Use 3 meditation skills.
I can’t remember the rest. :/
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
I’ve put about 1000 hours into my DPS Guard and the only real flaw I can think of is mobility.
While it is true that Anet hasn’t done jack kitten in the past months, I do recall them buffing Necromancers by giving them #5 in DS – perhaps they will finally admit that Guards need some love in the mobility department and they will come up with something along the lines of a 4th virtue. Unfortunately, this would require a re-work of the last trait line which is something I doubt they would get into.
Please remember that not all of us are PvP players. Mobility is not a problem for WvW (staff) Guardians.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Guardian has to have special set of gear and traits for each task. There is no one-size-fits-all, so you have to say what you want to do; PvE? PvP? WvW?
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
The fact that some classes can just spam out Conditions without having to decide which conditions they are is testament to the ill-thought out nature of said classes and this type of gameplay.
I question the competence of it’s creators.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
Looks like this Jessica “Wuv Doctor” Boettiger is the latest in a long line of people to have been lumbered with Arenanet’s least desirable position. Good luck Jessica!
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
The devs don’t have an answer for this yet. They were debating it this afternoon with no conclusion reached.
The one who programmed it left the company in the meantime, so they are as curious as we are what will happen
Edit: Lol this was only a joke, stop making a rumor out of a joke
Ye but it’s probably true. The others put pins on the WvW programmer’s chairs and call him/her “stinky” behind his/her back. Or they would if he/she existed.
Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.
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