Guild Wars 2

Tim.6450:

Juba.8406:

even before the patch they were OP, now they are ruling that part with heavy condi/bunker builds, just one small example : +175% bleed duration, just shout loud OP, still i refuse to run a cheasy condi builds.

What’s the point of having +175% bleeding duration when the cap is 100%?

Juba.8406:

also, aren’t we killing diversity in WvW roaming ? with suggestion like run(Melandru / Sunless / Hoelbrak / Resistance) or don’t even bother.

Well you also have the standard condition clears.

Swim.6830:

Yes they have SMALL effects. They do not stack as easily, thus affect the combat as much as condition based stuff that just loads 10 things all at once.

Either all the secondary conditions need to be toned down a lot for the condi builds or the reverse, as I stated.

Small?? Warrior greatsword itself is hated for it’s mobility alone. Warrior Axe offhand gives 50% uptime of fury. The thief black powder/heartseaker givest a massive amount of stealth. Thief sword 2 seconds of weakness/cripple on auto attack, teleport and immobilize. Mesmer sword 2.5s evade frame, teleport and immobilize. Necromancer axe Unholy feast AOE boon strip, AOE cripple and 20%~100% uptime retaliation depending on the amount of enemies. So I would not call it small.

And 10 things at once for conditions? That’s just a very big overstatement.

Swim.6830:

Not to mention that some kind of condition dmg resistance would be good.

Again melandru/resitance/hoelbrack/sunless.

Yeah because mobility and fury is equivalent to the opponent getting hit by – weakness, chill, immobilize, cripple, vulnerability and blindness.

And yes, I said at once, but what is actually happening is the usage of abilities with very little animation/cast-time.

The abilities you pointed out are some of the strongest direct ones and they are far too few in total.

By resistance I do not mean time duration. I mean actual resistance – % damage negated like toughness. Direct damage has this equivalent.

Since it’s difficult to grasp, here is how condi builds feel right now – imagine a build with 60% crit chance, 2900 armor, 190% crit damage, 2200 strength and 23k health. This build can also CC you like crazy and has a class survivability of either – secondary health bar with extra abilities; access to stealth and multiple invulnerabilities and evasions.

And this class is also ranged and has AI do some extra stuff sometimes.

Forgot to say, since conditions have become so strong currently that they kill in about the same amount of time as direct dmg builds, they really shouldn’t be able to stack as much toughness and be as tanky as they are.

Tim.6450:

Swim.6830:

The issue is the complete segregation of direct damage and condition based weapons/builds. The condi builds can add so much extra as an effect, while direct damage is just direct damage. Imagine if conditions were just 10 different types of bleed and this problem wouldn’t occur.

Direct damage weapons/builds need more in terms of non damaging conditions as well and/or more boon application (more blinds, weakness etc)

Really because since I know a lot of power weapons have secondary effects aside their damage:
warrior greatsword: damage+mobility+minor debuff
warrior hammer: damage+cc
warrior mace offhand: debuff+cc
ranger sword: damage+mobility+evades
…
The reason why condition weapons do that sometimes on the same ability is because they have a slot reserved for a bit more power based move. example:
necromancer scepter: feast of corruption
necromancer staff: necrotic grasp
warrior sword: final thrust
mesmer staff: phantasmal warloc
…

Yes they have SMALL effects. They do not stack as easily, thus affect the combat as much as condition based stuff that just loads 10 things all at once.

Either all the secondary conditions need to be toned down a lot for the condi builds or the reverse, as I stated.

Not to mention that some kind of condition dmg resistance would be good.

Yeah try fighting the endless stunlock warrior… so much fun to be locked out for 10 seconds if you only have 1 stunbreaker and one stability source…

The issue is the complete segregation of direct damage and condition based weapons/builds. The condi builds can add so much extra as an effect, while direct damage is just direct damage. Imagine if conditions were just 10 different types of bleed and this problem wouldn’t occur.

Direct damage weapons/builds need more in terms of non damaging conditions as well and/or more boon application (more blinds, weakness etc)

Also a condition “weakness” is needed (i.e. condition that lowers cond damage) and a boon that reduces incoming cond damage like protection.

Yeah and Illusionary swordsman for 6.5k on 2500 armor plus protection… while same person hit me with the smoke bomb for 4k (downed state).

Siva Mira.3546:

NO just NO, why would I want those PvE skins only by playing PvP? This would just create another pointless flame between PvE and PvP.

How about giving us our own new and never existed before reward Track that offer Ascended items and exclusive PvP skins?

Changed my mind, this is even better!

Seems alright, but a skillful condi bomb necro or mesmer will still slap you in the face in a prolonged fight.

lmperdigao.2567:

If moa was good, a lot more people would use. Just a few people use, and mostly for trolling purposes. It’s really annoying, but no, moa is not OP, as already a lot of people have stated the causes.

And about the lich form/tornado, mesmer is a class that one of the designs is the counterplay of the enemy skills. Like all the interrupts that we have. Moa is how we counterplay other’s elites.

No, MOA isn’t OP, it’s just imbalanced compared to other classes’ elite skills.

And I like how mesmer is supposed to have counters for other classes, but when you can counter every single class with one build, something went wrong with the balance…

Dagins.5163:

@Swim
Mesmers are good at interrupts, but interrupting in this game is a pain in kitten, because there are no castbars, and animations (especially on asuras) are usually unreadable. This makes majority of people going for low-risk-low-reward clone/stealth spam builds, complaining about getting low rewards all the time.

Yeah that seemed obvious from all the people defending the class.

I personally know several mesmers that are good enough to make the class look overpowered, and I have never had ANY issue fighting as a mesmer. I have no idea why people are considering this class underpowered…

Yeah but which one is the intended function?

My thief is thanking the hotfix too!

Should be added!

I noticed that one of the descriptions mentions karma and the boost itself doesn’t but I also tested and do not seem to gain any bonus karma from this. If it’s supposed to boost karma it should be fixed, otherwise description changed.

I am testing this right now in wvw (no other boosts), but feel free to test it yourself.

I have met plenty competitive condition Mesmers on par with Necros, so not sure what isn’t viable about Mesmers…

Phew, glad my thief is immune to something else besides chill then…

I’d like to be able to get some ascended gear in sPvP, so all plus for this!

Law.1704:

That’s interesting, what really confuses me is what stats are acceptable to hit. How much crit/ toughness etc were you aiming for when building that set.

I usually aim for about 2.4k armor or so. The crit dmg above 30 is ok for me and crit chance around 40+. I have been trying to just min-max depending on current ascended gear I already have as you see (too lazy for full set and no point).

These are basically the stats I feel comfortable with in spvp and have found to work in wvw for me as well as a roamer.

It really depends what you are going to aim towards, but I can share what I am going to work towards after I get my Legendary (hopefully soon). http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vEAQJAoYhMM6c24wwBdEBA9gLDFhMi8wDFF0MDA-zEzAYuASZAJRA5cp1EoQYlrIas6FM9KqyNQqXY9LiPJrBAQA4jf8jfMA-w

Mesmer has a little bit more options for getting away safely, and the damage burst is about the same, only quite a bit easier to land as mesmer (a lot of Ele skills are slow and telegraphed so).

Also the mesmer burst is more easily repeatable.

So far we have had builds that burst form the start and progressively become weaker if they fail the initial burst, sustain dps/condi builds and sustain health builds. This brings a type of build that was previously available to Eles that makes them progressively stronger from some base stats and is now available to everyone.

What is exactly the issue when some classes can stack almost every single boon on them, others can stack almost every single condition on others, or be immune to various types of damage, stack incredible amounts of % dmg modifiers or healing?

Yes it’s popular now, but it has faults and will probably fade into the meta at some point, because not every type of build can benefit as much from it.

ANET has already stated that the sigils and runes are now an integral part of a build and they have re-balanced them to function as such. They are not supposed to be some random extra % you just slap on because “why not”…

Also, why shouldn’t my strongest attack hit for dmg like backstab, when I don’t have stealth but wish to spec for damage?

T raw.4658:

dietzero.3514:

T raw.4658:

dietzero.3514:

T raw.4658:

A single trait should not counter an elite skill

A bug that needs to be fixed IMHO

A single GM AIR TRAIT that is not on cooldown SHOULD counter a stun.

Says you but I disagree since I don’t want a repeat of the Ele meta

Ele was great but I feel we’ll get an influx of fotm players after this…

Wow…did you just say ‘says you!’ to me?

Ok, ignoring everything you say from now on.

Typical I wanna be OP response/behavior

When the bat comes swinging I’ll enjoy your tears

Since you don’t get it, I’ll put it bluntly – When Ele damage goes back to Beta, you have my permission to complain about OP… maybe.

Elidath.5679:

Swim.6830:

A good mesmer can put you down in those 10 seconds easily, unless you are running like 30k health and 3k armor.

You know what even a good mesmer can’t do? Pursue efficiently. You know what defensive skill the moa morph do have?

Rocket moa shouldn’t die to the mesmer. Ever.

And complaining that against multiple opponents it gets you killed… well, you where outnumbered to begin with. What did you expect?
In this regard, time warp would get you killed even faster anyway.

Moa Morph is a potent troll skill, but nowhere near a win button.

Yeah if only Mesmers could root/cripple from range and teleport…

Mesmer and Necros stack tons of conditions and remove boons left and right – no one bats an eye.

Ele gets 25 might stacks and everyone loses their minds…

Mind you, with the current rune setup, almost any class can do the 25 might stack and be more effective than Ele, especially vs a Necro.

I think WvW and ascended gear should also be made more accessible in this way. After all, sPvP was adjusted to attract those players that are already playing other things first-hand, so why not make things more accessible for us sPvP-ers on the other end?

While I agree, it is actually one of the few skills that are properly called elite. 10 seconds is a bit to long though. A good mesmer can put you down in those 10 seconds easily, unless you are running like 30k health and 3k armor.

As an original SFR, can someone beat us already, so the map rotates and I can complete my map? k thx

Uhtameit.2413:

Getting the better score means nothing btw. Also that rune makes no sense, given your build.

Extra toughness, the regen scales slightly with healing power and sometimes every bit helps.

Pve-s in soloq, so no real change. Don’t worry, we will settle as the free kill once again soon enough…

I still ruin Eles with my newb thief, but maybe because I am too used to play Ele…

As Ele I did some matches and Celestial is working really really nice, but I still feel I do mediocre damage with the other amulets and have low defense, or have mediocre defense and low damage. Condi bomb nercos and mesmers are toughest, despite all anti-condi I run as well so… meh

My best bet is that a lot of pve-s are still running in the soloq so don’t get your hopes up.

Maybe someone with experience with the new GM traits should say if there is anything actually useful..

Same issue, but my post got ignored yesterday so don’t expect any fix…

Also in tech support forums.

AND I confirmed with multiple people who probably don’t even read forums with lots of DC issues since patch.

To be honest the servers have been kinda DCing a lot since the patch. I have had no issues prior, so might be just that… (check tech support forums if interested)

And since Mesmers can load almost every singe condition possible easily when specced…

Mrbig.8019:

Lue.6538:

Mrbig.8019:

Thedenofsin.7340:

That may make Mesmers viable in PvP. God knows nothing else in this patch did.

Swim.6830:

I feel that Mesmer has a lot of things they shouldn’t have but this seems like a viable team play option in tPvP and would make sense to work this way (including auto attacks and thieves).

Are you two drunk or something ?

They’re probably just not playing thieves like quite afew of the rest of us, but you know.. from a thieves point of view I can totally see why suddenly being unable to mash heartseeker might be infuriating.

Aside how totally broken it is against thieves, what did you not understand about the fact that it puts stomps/rezzes ON A 10 SECONDS CD so you can’t stomp/ress ?

I mean, i should really stop frequenting forums like many others already did, since people understanding of the game is really, but really ridicolously poor.

I would really like to have devs in EU mists and not only on NA in order to report broken stuf on the live instead of passing trough these forums.

Chaos Archangel.5071:

What people fail to understand is that the only thing that’s really broken about the trait is that it puts stomps/rezzes on cooldown. Other than that it’s fine. It opens up a brand new interesting role for Mesmer in dungeons (which is good since in this SAME patch they butchered Mesmer dungeon builds) and helps gives Mesmer a much-needed place in competitive teams.

I’m sure some people would love to see it nerfed into uselessness (which is synonymous with hotfixing it to it’s original incarnation), but that’s lousy design.

Dude, mesmer has been present in basically all teams knowing what they do from months, might runes are pushing mesmer damage into ridicolousness ( 3.5 k damage per shatter, perma 15 stacks of might and kitten like this) and now this broken trait made things even worse.

1 man down ? CHAOS STORM, GG.

3 men stomping ? CHAOS STORM , GG

These are just 2 of the most blatantly broken things a mesmer does right now.

Maybe it’s unbalanced, but until a dev says it’s broken, it might be working as originally intended to introduce some counterplay to rezz/stomp.

I feel that Mesmer has a lot of things they shouldn’t have but this seems like a viable team play option in tPvP and would make sense to work this way (including auto attacks and thieves).

T raw.4658:

A single trait should not counter an elite skill

A bug that needs to be fixed IMHO

Actually, it’s a GM trait, and also it was patched to be included like this in the notes. How it worked previously was a bug, now it’s as intended.

Just had it happen outside pvp as well…

MightyMicah.7451:

Hmm. I’ll have to do some more experimenting. It seems a lot of people are having this issue. While I, myself, haven’t had it so far, I’m not gonna be so dogmatic as to say it doesn’t happen lol. I would just say that if you get the timing down, it shouldn’t be a problem.

Test it with fast ground targeting and without. It’s still completely different than pre-patch.

Are you sure a thief didn’t steal your boons though?

I’ll pay more attention and test this as well.

Here is what I get after trying to do some arenas today.

I have had no connection issues since the launch of the game and this didn’t happen few days ago prior to the patch. I have not changed a single setting.

The disconnects happen only in the arenas themselves and WvW

Please post if you can confirm the same, as I did with some other players in-game already and I wasn’t the only one disconnecting in the arena plays.

Here is what it did. It made the servers lag to hell since a lot of people are getting random disconnects since the patch. Had no such issues EVER in this game since launch issues.

This is so much fun and even works with d/d really nice. Feels OP compared to prior patch tho, so I bet it’s gonna be nerfed.

Same issue all day today with me…

Edit for screenie

Get the Necro NPC in downed state and watch your health bar melt away lol

Grimreaper.5370:

Its always rubber banded if you don’t execute the LF with perfect timing. Burning speed + LF still works. Burning speed + Fiery Rush doesn’t stack the burning anymore.

I am doing it just as pre patch, but half the time it teleports me back (I actually hit the damage and somehow the game puts me back as if I hadn’t attacked at all, sometimes it puts me on other side of the enemy, just as far)

Oh and this is in spvp, not sure if it’s bugged only here or not.

At least it makes more sense and is not a stationary troll like this http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blurred_Frenzy

I think it’s fine and even should have cooldown reduced a bit.

Sometimes it works for me, sometimes it weirdly teleports me back (rubberband) and sometimes it even teleports me back without me trying to use lightning flash (i.e. burning speed on its own seems bugged)

And I would like to have my map completed without having to pay 1k gems but too late now so…

Burning Speed seems to teleport me back sometimes just after the charge is finished.

Also works a bit funny with Lightning Flash since patch and randomly teleports me forward or back.

Meanwhile ALL sPvP NPCs can zerker all day long…