Guild Wars 2

All that can miss by one dodge and so many things on cooldown. While other classes do that damage on one ability with better stats, defensive skills and mobility.

Just sayin.

Good build tho, will probably try in tPvP

Calae.1738:

Lightning Flash doesn’t need to break stun. You can cast it while stunned to avoid damage. The whole point of stunning someone is to deal damage to them while they’re stunned. Lighting Flash will keep you stunned after the port but it helped you to avoid the damage.

Lightning Flash was buffed, not nerfed.

Yup, totally helped avoid that damage for 1 extra second and then being charged by a warrior after the teleport to be smashed again… In a normal scenario I would have been able to dodge.

Oh no, slot a stunbreaker?? Like every other class?? OMG

The active defense was healing and tons of boons… people complained, so it got nerfed to the ground quite a while ago.

Backstab and heartseeker do more damage with less effort, so I see no issue here…

Just to shoot down point 1 from OP, using any of the below, will restealth you without the reveal debuff. I have seen thieves bring down someone to 30% HP with multiple attacks and just popping out from stealth 3 times for 1/10th of a second each.

Combos that grant stealth
Combo Field: Smoke × Combo Finisher: Blast
Combo Field: Smoke × Combo Finisher: Leap

Overall thieves are fine as is, no buff but definitely no nerfs needed I think. Just more diversity.

I wish to be able to teleport vertically as well now to balance out the change pls (like other classes can do)

How do you dodge through an already set up ward? I’d like a vid of that.

To OP, make me able to dodge through the fields like all other damage fields and you might have an argument.

They just use it without a target, so seems to be working as intended. All AOE skills can also target within.

If this is changed, then make it impossible to harm other players through the gates (even with melee skills).

Dangerkips.6035:

Mirta.5029:

Dangerkips.6035:

It’s simple.

Living Story doesn’t make my character better.

If you need to be better than anyone else just to feel good about yourself then that’s kind of sad.

I’ll clarify. I don’t desire to be better so I can look down my nose at other people. I want my character to increase in power as I play the game. Not for bragging rights or kitten, but for the most basic premise of any RPG ever made: PROGRESS.

Everything that has a beginning has an end. You can’t request to have endless progress, because then it would not be progress. In other news – there is also no such thing as perfection.

Demon.5082:

Swim.6830:

That last part is a MUST for Thieves. I will suggest their stunbreakers go to venoms

I am certain ANET will approve.

I still feel giving a venom like say basilisk venom a stunbreaker will make people QQ if another utility loses a stunbreaker (we are trading stun breakers here not adding them )

Since basilisk venom is always used pre fight to get the stun to follow up burst.

Yeah but it will “open up for more builds”

Here is something new.

How about make the 15 pts http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Lingering_Elements make the attunement cooldown decrease to 9 (and have 12 as base). Make the arcane points go towards bonuses per attunement (for instance http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sunspot is % stronger for each point in arcane)

If this is done, all problems will be solved me thinks.

Demon.5082:

Imho the stunbreaker on signet of air is more stupid than the one on GoEP.

With a 100% swiftness uptime (or very close to it) available relatively easily to our class I fail to understand why this signet is useful (other than the blind) to warrant a stunbreaker. The movespeed should give a bonus to the swiftness buff or something lol.

Anyway, I feel that signet of fire/water deserved a stun breaker more than this.

GoEP getting a stunbreaker is also a tad bit silly since its an offensive buff and will almost always be used as a preparation for a fight. Its like giving a thief venom a stunbreaker
>_>

That last part is a MUST for Thieves. I will suggest their stunbreakers go to venoms

I am certain ANET will approve.

As someone stated above, gear grind has no place in a competitive game.

So you mean strafing right, but dodging left wont trigger the evasive arcana?

If I have 2 of the same rings but different infusions, can I equip them then?

hharry.1967:

I say remove stun breakers from decoy and mirror images as well, since they already have staff #2 and sword #2 and move them to signet of domination and veil because thats how ridiculous the changes were to eles.

Hahaha this post made my day, but also so true.

Zelyhn.8069:

I speak mainly for PvE, so let’s see:
-Fresh air is awesome all around, it synergizes with lingering elements and reduces the need for arcana at the same time = build diversity
-Persisting flames: fury share was what made d/d-f very viable in PvE, now we can share fury in scepter and staff as well, and not just a bit! =build diversity
-Staff improvements =faster paced, damage
-bountyfull power: water traits no longer give you more damage than fire traits= build diversity
-10% crit damage on arcane spell (air trait) = awesome!

Yes there are still some useless traits, but many less!

The extra 10% crit damage is negligible… should be 20% extra at the least.

Gallrvaghn.4921:

Yeah, LF was my favorite cantrip too.

But I’m having a feeling about GoEP still not being insta-cast now that it’s a stunbreaker… o.o

Yeah that would be right-out stupid if it isn’t instant cast…

Zelyhn.8069:

I have been very sceptical about ANet’s approach to balancing the elem in the past, but this upcoming patch is insanely well thought!!

Everybody is blinded by the fact they introduced a new condition haha, but look how awesome are the buffs to the elem!

-Build diversity: achieved
-Faster paced combat: achieved
-Removed useless traits: achieved

Please take a moment to look at the patchnotes and see how clever they are. I am impressed!

I think it’s more like

-Build diversity: achieved somewhat (good start)
-Faster paced combat: achieved for staff and scepter (remains to be seen in actual gameplay)
-Removed useless traits: more work needed, we still have some useless stuff in the filler traits and things like 20% cooldown reduction should be more like 40% considering they are not for a weapon, but for an attunement.

Vyxion.6358:

I’m starting to get rather frustrated by the anti-thief bias on the forums.

Torment is a condition, when was the last time you saw a condition build thief?
It’s not gonna be dangerous coming from a backstab thief or whatnot.
Personally I can’t remember when I last saw a condi thief. They are ALL direct damage build with myself included and do you want to know why? It’s because all a condition thief can do is stack bleeds. That is 1 condition which is only dangerous on high stacks and just gets cleansed before it gets dangerous anyway. And since bleed is the only condition you will have on you from a condition thief (bar the cripple if you didn’t move from caltrops) you didn’t even have to pray to the RNG gods to please remove the condition you wanted it to remove when you pressed a cleanser skill. Torment will give thieves finally a 2nd condition to use (hopefully) reliably which might still not be enough for condition thieves to become viable but I guess we’ll know more on this when we see the actual patchnotes.

PS. You are an ele mr.OP. If you are unable to keep clean from thief conditions (I just explained you how little we got) then I think this new condition named torment is the least of your problems.

Newsflash, new condition – now ONLY for condition builds!!

“With the introduction of Tainted Shackles, we’ll also be adding a new condition to the game: Torment. This condition is designed to play around with movement, one of our fundamental combat mechanics. Enemies under Torment will take damage periodically; as they move, they’ll take even more damage. In looking to expand the condition diversity of thieves and mesmers, we decided to include Torment skills for those two professions as well.”

Yes… more power to 2 of the most powerful classes…

The only acceptable nerf is making Mist form root you in place, but reduce cooldown to 6 seconds, as it seems to be in line with this – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blurred_Frenzy

If you spec for it to do damage cooldown can be increased to 10.

Iavra.8510:

Cool story, can i have perma-“all boons + 25 might”, then?

Sure when you got lowest HP and 250 shatter that crits for 400 per Illusion…

Entropy.4732:

Just drop it already. It’s a perfectly balanced skill. Leave it alone.

Then I suggest they give all classes a 2 sec root+invulnerability on an 8 sec timer. I’d do even with a utility skill. I’d even trade my elite for it in a heartbeat (Ele here).

No, because there is no point in having another grind of any kind for stats. This was the game’s selling point for me…

Redscope.6215:

Neko.9021:

Straight-up simple question. Why does Fire Aura have have such a ginormous cooldown?

I really do want to know, and I hope every Ele out there bumps this thread until we get a good answer.

Your good answer:

You have 4 sets of ‘4’ and ‘5’ skills. That’s 4 more high-end skills than everyone else and depending on how you outfit your engineer, it can be 6 more.

Eles basically have 4 weapon sets. Their last two skills should really never fall below the 30 second cooldown mark (even though some of them are shorter and RtL has its cooldown reduced when hitting a target).

You’d be right except that’s the whole point to elementalist – diversity and all those abilities.

We dont have 7k shatters on 10 sec cooldown, almost infinite blocks, stealth, proper pets… etc. The cooldowns are unwarranted if our class is to be what it was meant to. Right now it’s like we have no speciality compared to other classes.

PowerBottom.5796:

ArcTheFallen.7682:

They just need to fix the rally system. 1 rally per person. 1 death shouldn’t give an entired downed team a revive.

Why not?

If your Team can’t Stomp sm1 before they stomp you while you have a clear advantage, you should be punished for it.

The Downed state is an extremely good Mechanic and removing it would be quite disastrous for structured PvP.

By that logic if I stomp 1 out of 3 downed guys, all 3 should be dead as soon as I succeed with my stomp… I would consider that also a sort of a Rally… a Rally to kill…

By asking this you are promoting more of the endless fights… The balance scale doesn’t need to be bigger, rather it needs to be the other way around to fit with the fact that they didn’t want the magic trio…

EoNxBoNx.9213:

Swim.6830:

I believe that thieves are balanced right now. They don’t need any nerfs, but they also definitely don’t need any buffs.

I do not understand the purpose of this thread as there hasn’t been much complaining about thieves lately. If the purpose is to bring back some of the nerfs, I’d like to bring back some of my healing as an Ele to be able to keep up (can get 3 shotted as it is with almost 3k armor and 15k HP). I’d also like to see some other nerfs reversed as well for all other classes if thief is brought back to the insane level it was. This kinda sounds ridiculous as you see, so there is no point in this thread…

Thieves are balanced right now because they have one build that can help a team, and one that needs to be babysat. I mean if that is what you consider balance then okay. I made this thread because balance patch is coming soon, and whether I like it or not nerf is coming most likely to S/D and probably buffs to P/X or something underused.

The title is a general statement for all classes, I am just talking about thieves. If there is something anyone thinks is overpowered, they should learn to play against it first. I said in the OP, any game cannot be balance when something is constantly buffed/nerfed.

I was not saying that all those abilities did not need to be nerfed, I was saying that during this time, only complaints and no one was saying what thief needed, and only what they needed taken away from them.

I am not going to admit you only have 2 builds, but even if that’s the case, Eles have one. And it was nerfed.

Mesmer has what? 2, 3?
Guardians?
etc. etc.

I agree with your main argument, after all it took people over 5 months to notice how “OP” Ele was when NOTHING was actually changed during that time. But I also realize the game needs more diversity and a balance patch that focuses on giving ALL classes viable options for various purposes.

Malcastus.6240:

Report the maker of the thread for flaming/trolling/whatever the official terms are, and let it be closed. No need to continue a post that is nonsensical.

It may have started out as such, but it isn’t completely wrong and nonsensical.

I believe that thieves are balanced right now. They don’t need any nerfs, but they also definitely don’t need any buffs.

I do not understand the purpose of this thread as there hasn’t been much complaining about thieves lately. If the purpose is to bring back some of the nerfs, I’d like to bring back some of my healing as an Ele to be able to keep up (can get 3 shotted as it is with almost 3k armor and 15k HP). I’d also like to see some other nerfs reversed as well for all other classes if thief is brought back to the insane level it was. This kinda sounds ridiculous as you see, so there is no point in this thread…

+1 to that one haha

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35734245.jpg

PinCushion.7390:

Swim.6830:

razn.7160:

Screw you ele’s got mobility, burst, cleansing, healing… Stop trolling

So same things thief has, while thief also has stealth, better mobility and better burst with no cooldowns…

You forgot all the AoE CC and AoE damage that every Thief weapon has baked into it…. oh, wait….

Nevermind

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cluster_Bomb

Go bs elsewhere, thief has options for everything they need. It’s not like they need the aoe and the x2 damage more than makes up for it. Also thief has enough CC to kill anything.

But alright, I’ll drop another one, why is staff ele (when specced for full dps) so much weaker than shatter mesmer DPS wise? Where is my 7k dps every 15 (or less) seconds on a small aoe?

razn.7160:

Screw you ele’s got mobility, burst, cleansing, healing… Stop trolling

So same things thief has, while thief also has stealth, better mobility and better burst with no cooldowns…

Noince.7364:

It seems none of the devs even believe/know what is actually wrong with izerker and keeps saying floater issue. GG.

If you are on the receiving end of the damage you will see it’s really a floater issue.

There are multiple threads on this… still none with acknoledgement

DarkSider.1079:

I believe their intention is fix what isn’t used and make it better and more useful; hopefully that doesn’t mean break what isn’t broken and nerf things that were useful into oblivion.

You mean like every other time because people were crying?

Interestingly I see invincible rangers and guardians (“OP” for the same reason we were) but I see no crying now… maybe all Eles should just boycott the gemstore until they get us the fix we need and deserve. Might also wanna fix warrior while they are at it.

I didn’t find one at the time, and at least I didn’t re-post something already on the first page…

Agreed, I noticed even new topics when the same topic was bumped and is only a only a few lines below. Maybe they should add an auto search when you attempt to post and a warning message asking whether you are sure there are no other topics on the subject… you know, just to remind people.

Already posted this here, but no one cares to search or reply…

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Rock-Solid-Elementalist-SPVP/first#post2208111

I am 100% sure amongst all the pages they confirmed that the dmg is just a visual bug, i.e. on low priority list it seems. You will not be able to kill anything faster when it’s fixed.

About the irregularities, I agree it should hit properly and about time to be fixed too.

“oh no, I have to reapply every 90 seconds”

…

good troll, 7/10, would read again

Here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Broken-Achievements/first#post2208184

and here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Dragon-Bash-Experience-achievement-bugged/first#post2208689

Aye I can confirm this as well

Heya, just noticed that the Rock Solid trait isn’t working when attuning to earth in SPVP (both in and out of combat on any hot join map).

I attune to earth and I only get the protection from Elemental Attunement. I also tested without Elemental Attunement and still nothing.

I don’t think I got more details than that.

Mine is even worse. Posted in the other subforum as well – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Broken-Achievements/first#post2207606

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Broken-Achievements/first#post2207606

Latest hotfix didn’t fix this…