RIP Plinx.
I miss Plinx farms
I ll tell you I have no incentive to play as there is no new ascended gear or weapons and my toon is full equip, as the unbalance of drops the TP uncontrolled and without any re-sellable buying/selling design to avoid the marketters well, I am done until further changes. ty and have fun with rng and the obvious market abuse
If new gear is the only thing keeping you in this game, you definitely chose the wrong game. There are so many ladder climbing gear grind raid games out there… why did you choose the one that is specifically designed to NOT be like that?
I really don’t get it why it is so bad that you are being pushed to efficient builds. Most of the players/elitists won’t care if you have one trait “wrong” or bit “wrong” setup (like some defensive stats).
Your assuming this to be the goal of every player or even the absolute necessity for every player to achieve. I’m not say efficiency is bad, or undesirable, but I used to see this all the time in WoW/Rift/take your pick MMO. If you weren’t doing things as efficiently as possible you are looked at as crazy. But if you can get things done, and you are in a group of like minded people who cares what your build/gear are as long as you are enjoying yourself.
The solutions are already in game, force ping or no invite, and/or only group with like minded people. There every ones problems solved without an intrusive (and rude in my opinion) mechanic.
To give you an idea of what I speak, I only run with my guild. I run a Engineer with a Carrion FT build that outputs great damage. Is it the most damage I could squeeze out of it, no, but by the same token no one in my party ever has to rez me because I have over 26K health and know how to avoid the bad. I also know at least 3 of the other people in the group have none conventional builds, and we don’t wipe (regularly, there have been some moments where our over enjoyment lead to bad decisions
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If someone doesn’t are about efficiency and wants to run “creative” builds then why should I be pushed to play with him?
Also I don’t get it how is it intrusive if you can block all inspects?
As annoying of a poster/person as you are, and as much as I disagree with the need for /inspect, I agree with this post.
It’s not intrusive if I can block someone’s ability to /inspect me. And it isn’t fair for the “elitists” if they are forced to play with someone who doesn’t fit their playstyle.
I don’t want a mandatory /inspect because it would hurt my playstyle. But at the same time I have to respect that not having ANY /inspect would hurt the playstyle of others.
For the people against /inspect, an optional implementation of it would only hurt those who want to lie their way into a group that doesn’t want them. Why would you even want to do that? If a group doesn’t want you in it, why would you want to impose yourself upon them?
Yes, this feature would cause something of a rift in the population of the game. You’d be either in the “inspect enabled” or “inspect disabled” camp… but it can’t be helped. It would be a quality of life feature for players who play a specific way, and the number of those players might be pretty hefty. They deserve nice things just like the rest of us. Some of the stuff I’ve wanted in game came at the cost of annoyance for some other players… I have to accept that my turn will come, as well.
Considering how much everyone is liking the looks of these items… they will probably be in the lottery boxes
That’s fine if you enjoy your build. My point was i will trust a sample size of [N = the community] over a sample size of [N = Tolmos.]
I just said that I don’t nee… nvm. We’ll leave it there.
dont say my claims are baseless when they are in-fact empirically driven.
/pats Of course they are.
Well, it’s also worth mentioning that there already IS /inspect in sPvP if your spectating…i mean that’s what started this whole thread. Be careful when you sPvP, someone might be creeping on your build!
And if winning WvW is contingent on your build…well, i could see why you would want to keep it a secret
So, yeah, i don’t think adding /inspect will realistically change anything for you.
I rarely SPVP. I’m too lazy to get my temple armor look for it and repulsed by the starting PvP armor. =D I don’t see /inspect affecting me there.
Bah we could do this all day. We should quit hijacking this thread.
We’ll just leave it at all of your posts are empirically driven,, scientifically proven and peer reviewed facts that cannot be disputed. Anyone who disagrees is alone in their disagreement- the silent majority agrees with you. Oh, and I’m an irrational tinfoil hat because I believe in competition.
BUT, despite our wacky and zaney differences, you have found it in your big, kind heart to be willing to reduce yourself to this irrational fools pitiful request that /inspect come with an opt out function for those of us who don’t want to partake.
That about sums it up. Now, I’ll return to my irrational wanderings, you return to your laboratory, and we’ll let the thread continue as it was before we arrived.
tl;dr- /inspect + opt out = acceptable enough for government work.
look man, don’t be bitter just because i brought real information and facts to a discussion.
You’re not crazy because you believe in competition, your crazy because you believe everyone is out to get you.
i have agreed that an opt-out is acceptable, and i assume this means you agree that it is also a compromise for irrational reasons.
lmao Of course you did. Empircal facts. We all get it. We’re all impressed
Yep, it’s a perfectly acceptable compromise for my irrational reasons. Now, I’ll go sit with the irrational football coaches, RTS players and other competitive tin foil hats and leave the floor to you perfectly rational casuals!
Though… just out of curiosity- do you lock your car doors? Don’t you think it’s an irrational fear that someone might open the door and take something out of it? I mean, anyone who thinks something like that might happen must think everyone is out to get them! So, you don’t lock your car doors… do you?
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That’s fine if you enjoy your build. My point was i will trust a sample size of [N = the community] over a sample size of [N = Tolmos.]
I just said that I don’t nee… nvm. We’ll leave it there.
dont say my claims are baseless when they are in-fact empirically driven.
/pats Of course they are.
Well, it’s also worth mentioning that there already IS /inspect in sPvP if your spectating…i mean that’s what started this whole thread. Be careful when you sPvP, someone might be creeping on your build!
And if winning WvW is contingent on your build…well, i could see why you would want to keep it a secret
So, yeah, i don’t think adding /inspect will realistically change anything for you.
I rarely SPVP. I’m too lazy to get my temple armor look for it and repulsed by the starting PvP armor. =D I don’t see /inspect affecting me there.
Bah we could do this all day. We should quit hijacking this thread.
We’ll just leave it at all of your posts are empirically driven,, scientifically proven and peer reviewed facts that cannot be disputed. Anyone who disagrees is alone in their disagreement- the silent majority agrees with you. Oh, and I’m an irrational tinfoil hat because I believe in competition.
BUT, despite our wacky and zaney differences, you have found it in your big, kind heart to be willing to reduce yourself to this irrational fools pitiful request that /inspect come with an opt out function for those of us who don’t want to partake.
That about sums it up. Now, I’ll return to my irrational wanderings, you return to your laboratory, and we’ll let the thread continue as it was before we arrived.
tl;dr- /inspect + opt out = acceptable enough for government work.
I would like to see /inspect. If they need to have an opt-out, i’ll take it. But i feel like it is an concession to appease the irrational.
I would argue that those with an inability to accept others VALID concerns, especially when those concerns are voiced by a large percentage of a population, simply because those concerns do not apply to you personally, are the irrational ones…
I don’t know how much you’ve been paying attention but the “large population” is about the same 18 people that have been posting in this thread.
For you concerns to be valid, they need to outweigh the positive aspects a tool would bring. And to claim that it is because “everyone is just dying to steal my builds” may be a true claim, but the actual likelihood of this effecting your in-game experiences are very unlikely.
And since there are absolutely NO positive aspects to leaving out the “opt out” function, besides that people would be able to steal builds, there is no problem.
Finally, we agree.
We agree, but i promise you, no one is trying to steal your build. That sort of thinking is irrational. And making such a concession is conceding to irrationality.
Again- just because it doesn’t affect YOU personally, and just because you can’t understand the concept of a winning strategy or a winning build in a competitive environment, doesn’t make those who use them and want to safeguard their own winning strategies and their own winning builds irrational.
I could say that everyone who wants to watch an American Football game on television on Monday night is irrational because they can simply look the score up after the fact and see who won. I would only be saying that because I personally don’t understand the appeal of watching the game. They want to know who won- look it up. Why watch it? That’s irrational.
See: it sounds silly, doesn’t it?
From my perspective, so I am not speaking for Scrambles, I think that the irrationality of your post is it seems you are paranoid that one will inspect you to steal your build.
I think the only time that one would inspect ones build would be when
1. you are trying to match your build to compliment theirs or
2. you are trying to help out a friend or guildee and have them look at your build for advice and finally
3. when a newbie comes to the game and doesn’t really understand what traits etc are will inspect you for researchI believe the amount of people who will see how awesome you are will be tracking you down to steal your build. is pretty minimal or non-existant That is where the irrationality comes in.
Well, the thing is, /inspect is a pretty quick endeavor. No one has to track me down, no one has to hunt me or anything like that. They see me do something halfway decently, right click my pic → inspect → screenshot. Bam. It’s done. No hunting. No chasing. No stalking.
And I just lost my build to the general public. Simple, and easy as that.
A better analogy from football would have been how a coach will not want the other coach to have access to their game-plans, and will want to keep their game plans secret from the media/other teams. Under that analogy, I can agree and understand where you come from. I suppose it is because I 100% PvE that I do not relate to this desire.
That sums it up. I agree entirely- it is a far better analogy than anything I produced.
I would like to see /inspect. If they need to have an opt-out, i’ll take it. But i feel like it is an concession to appease the irrational.
I would argue that those with an inability to accept others VALID concerns, especially when those concerns are voiced by a large percentage of a population, simply because those concerns do not apply to you personally, are the irrational ones…
I don’t know how much you’ve been paying attention but the “large population” is about the same 18 people that have been posting in this thread.
For you concerns to be valid, they need to outweigh the positive aspects a tool would bring. And to claim that it is because “everyone is just dying to steal my builds” may be a true claim, but the actual likelihood of this effecting your in-game experiences are very unlikely.
And since there are absolutely NO positive aspects to leaving out the “opt out” function, besides that people would be able to steal builds, there is no problem.
Finally, we agree.
We agree, but i promise you, no one is trying to steal your build. That sort of thinking is irrational. And making such a concession is conceding to irrationality.
Again- just because it doesn’t affect YOU personally, and just because you can’t understand the concept of a winning strategy or a winning build in a competitive environment, doesn’t make those who use them and want to safeguard their own winning strategies and their own winning builds irrational.
I could say that everyone who wants to watch an American Football game on television on Monday night is irrational because they can simply look the score up after the fact and see who won. I would only be saying that because I personally don’t understand the appeal of watching the game. They want to know who won- look it up. Why watch it? That’s irrational.
See: it sounds silly, doesn’t it?
I would like to see /inspect. If they need to have an opt-out, i’ll take it. But i feel like it is an concession to appease the irrational.
I would argue that those with an inability to accept others VALID concerns, especially when those concerns are voiced by a large percentage of a population, simply because those concerns do not apply to you personally, are the irrational ones…
I don’t know how much you’ve been paying attention but the “large population” is about the same 18 people that have been posting in this thread.
For you concerns to be valid, they need to outweigh the positive aspects a tool would bring. And to claim that it is because “everyone is just dying to steal my builds” may be a true claim, but the actual likelihood of this effecting your in-game experiences are very unlikely.
And since there are absolutely NO positive aspects to leaving out the “opt out” function, besides that people would be able to steal builds, there is no problem.
Finally, we agree.
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So, if someone happens to like the way you built, copies your build and enjoys the game on their own, that somehow takes away from your ability to enjoy the game?
What i’m getting is that your enjoyment of this game is contingent on the failure of others.
I mean, i too love putting a lot of time and work into builds, but i also enjoy sharing that information with the community, in an effort to let everyone else enjoy the game as much as me.
How do you think the community would be effected if Dulfy stopped publishing in-game info on her site, in an effort to keep that info to herself?
so, yes, based on these reasons i still find your concerns illegitimate. MMOs dont thrive through selfishness.
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“Those of us who spend a great deal of time number crunching to create builds that are better than those cookie cutters you find laying around on forums have a great deal to lose by others being able to see what that build is.”
What do you really have to lose by sharing your awesome builds?
A) I play WvW and SPVP, so yes, my enjoyment is based on others losing to me (or rather, in this case, a build that I made). Isn’t that what competition is all about? Are you suggesting that in a robot building competition, that everyone should be completely open about all their designs early on so that both sides have completely identical robots? No, of course not. This is a competition. You compete in a competition, meaning that someone wins and someone loses.
If I lose, that’s acceptable as well, as it tells me that I need to redo by build OR become more skilled as a player. Which will be evident in the way that I lose.
B) “It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.”
So yea, at the risk… no, no risk involved. At the truth that I will sound like a total kitten- yes, it would ruin my enjoyment if someone else stole my build and beat me with it, or outperformed against me with my own build in a dungeon that we were in together with it, etc. Because the competition of making a good build is what I enjoy.
It’s 1 way with me, though. I don’t hold it against others if their builds do not compare to mine. I do, however, hold it against myself if my build doesn’t compare to theirs. I understand that not everyone enjoys build making, so I don’t intend to laugh in their face if theirs isn’t up to par. I do, however, know that I spent a great deal of time working on my build so if it loses, I need to do some reworking on it.
Every MMO I enjoy is a build making game. And I don’t mean build making as in the casual versions you find in WoW. I mean Shadowbane, Guild Wars 1 and EVE Online type build making. GW2 is a much simpler version, but it exists still and gives me something to play with in a competitive manner. I’d like to keep it that way.
I fully suppose an OPTIONAL inspect addition to the game, where I can check a box that says “No, the person wanting to be carried by people with better gear than themselves and/or the uncreative person who wants to steal my build will not be allowed to do so”. So that if they try to look at my stuff, they see nothing. If they don’t want to run with me because of that? GOOD! It saved me the trouble of dealing with a fail player, anyhow.
They get their inspect, I get my privacy AND my sanity from not having to deal with them. Everyone is happy.
Oh really? The US justice system is one that involves people spending 5+ years in a concrete box with murderers, rapists, etc. Brutal physical and sexual assault are a regular occurrence there. Climate control is non-existent, with temperatures in Florida prisons reaching an upwards of 120 degrees in summers (prisoners have been known to literally BAKE TO DEATH.) The cells measure 6′ × 11′ on average.
Some of these inmates get taken a step farther and put into solitary confinement, either for their own safety or as punishment. These individuals spend 23 hours a day alone in lockdown, without the possibility of contact with anyone outside of their own guards. During their 1 hour break they get a break in an outdoor, unshaded and cemented cage sizing twice the size of their cell. This can take place for as long as 25 years, at which point their minds are broken beyond repair. This same form of punishment was a torture reserved by Stalin in his Gulags for only the most heinous of criminals.
American Recidivism Rate: 60%
Norway, on the other hand, has built a prison that roughly resembles a dorm. Air conditioned and containing ample reading and research materials, these dorms house 1 inmate per cell and focus entirely on rehabilitation, NOT revenge as the US justice system does. Photos of this prison/dorm can be seen here at TIME magazine: http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html
Norway Recidivism Rate: 20%
TL;DR – Science and facts, unfortunately, do not support your argument. At all.
In case that isn’t enough: Here is Yale University also disagreeing.
A few more sources…
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/e199912.htm
http://aler.oxfordjournals.org/content/13/1/103.full
Let me know if you’d like more!
Except Norway is not a fully industrialized country. It doesn’t attract criminals like Japan and the US do because it does not have the assets and it never has. Both Norways crime and it’s recidivism were better than the US’s before they built that prison. Ipso facto, from a scientific perspective, those statistics are bogus, they were made without any study control mechanism, that prison hasn’t been proven to have changed anything. And no, since every study conducted by Yale conveniently forgets such basic rules of the scientific method, their opinion isn’t worth anything and I wouldn’t take it over the crazy bum’s on the street corner. They have a political agenda to push, they will and have been ignoring any and every part of the scientific method to do so for over thirty years. Not a single one of the ‘examples’ you cited is reputable, cite a real group of real scientists next time, instead of political activists that happen to wear lab coats.
So, if you wish or are capable of proving your point, show me where this method has ever been applied in a country with assets and crime similar to the US, and what affect it has had. You can’t, because it hasn’t. Because there isn’t any doubt that it wouldn’t work. It hasn’t even had that great of an effect in the countries where it has been used, it’s just ‘conveniently’ been applied only in places where crime was already low.
And it’s incredibly deceptive how you are only providing examples you pulled from a list of the countries very worst of our countries prisons, made by a d-list internet news site no less. And conveniently leaving out the average US prison; which provides it’s inmates with better medical care, better food, and more easily accessible entertainment and amenities than we provide in our schools or to our senior citizens.
lmao. This entire post can basically be summed up “Quit bringing facts into my baseless assumption post! (I sure hope no one reads those links )”
Good game, sir. Good game