Guild Wars 2

I think ANet shifted their target demographic a little on the no grind to the full grind spectrum. The idea being how much grind someone whats is one bell curve and how much grind they will tolerate is another bell curve. ANet just decided to increase the grind to get / keep a bigger audience. Figuring that they would keep / gain more than they lose.

For an MMO the grind may be pretty light, but if you are one of the ones who suddenly found your game become too grindy for you it stinks.

I think you pretty well covered it. I find that alts also add a bit of fun, but usually only for a new class for 20 levels or so.

If ascended weapons had the stats of exotics, had the capability of swapping stat out of combat, but had an ugly skin, I’d be working toward my ascended gear.

I highly recommend choosing a main and abandoning all other toons to standing at the end of jumping puzzles. It makes gearing up less painful.

Guardians are awesome and are a mainstay of PvE, PvP, and WvW. So you can’t go wrong there. Although, personally I don’t see much build diversity.

Vayne.8563:

TooBz.3065:

No one knows if the game is gaining or losing subscribers except ANet. To speculate on it is a waste of time. Can’t we go back to wasting time whining about ascended gear or whining about whining about ascended gear?

Edit: Also, Vayne, I think TC is a bit unique in terms of servers. A lot of people guest over there to PvE. I checked several times this weekend and Orr was dead on CD.

You may be right about TC being unique, because a lot of people guest to it. But then, if everyone is guesting to it, and there are ten, fifteen overflow servers, then there’s still a lot of people playing. I’ve been in a group with five guildies that were all on different overflows. Someone must be playing.

As for knowing if the game is gaining or losing subscribers, well we do know that. It’s neither gaining nor losing, because there are no subscribers. And that’s where the problem lies. In WoW, Blizzard uses subscriber numbers to indicate the game’s health (even though they game that by using people who bought say the annual passport, even if they’re not longer logging in as active), while Guild Wars 2 has to depend on income and concurrency numbers.

You’re right, no one really knows if the game is doing better or not. Not me and not the naysayers.

Yeah, poor choice of words, sorry. I just meant that we can’t tell how it’s doing. I’ve noticed that it’s much busier in general lately. But I don’t know if there were really that many people farming COF who are now displaced. Farming Scarlet or working on Ascended gear. Time will tell.

Oh, one small correction, we can tell based on the Gems to Gold ratio that many people are using Gems to get gold. That may indicate a certain robustness.

No one knows if the game is gaining or losing subscribers except ANet. To speculate on it is a waste of time. Can’t we go back to wasting time whining about ascended gear or whining about whining about ascended gear?

Edit: Also, Vayne, I think TC is a bit unique in terms of servers. A lot of people guest over there to PvE. I checked several times this weekend and Orr was dead on CD.

epandrsn.5126:

If you look at the total increase in stats… it’s what, a total of 5% if you have all the ascended items? Seeing as most of them are basically given to you over time (ascended gear via Laurels), most players should not have an issue getting at least a few pieces of ascended gear, giving someone with an ascended weapon a very, very slight advantage… it’ll mostly be psychological for those who need it.

It’s also just something to strive for over time.. there really aren’t a huge amount of middle-term goals in this game. It either takes a few hours to get something, or a hundred. They are trying to fill that gap it would seem.

If you want me to spend two weeks doing something, find something I’d like doing for two weeks. Don’t dangle a carrot in front of me and say “Hey donkey, run around Orr for two weeks and I’ll give you this”

Edit: and since I’ve spend 10 months playing this game it’s not an impossible task.

Vayne.8563:

I was pretty unhappy with the ascended gear changes too, not for myself, but for everyone else. I felt let down that there was so much to do to get one. But then I started breaking it down and looked at how much work it actually was. If you really hate dungeons it probably sucks quite bad. World events are quite fast and easy so I don’t see that as a big a problem.

But after hearing Colin’s Pax interview, the whole thing sat a bit easier with me. I still don’t love the idea. But I felt at least he was explaining the why it was done and that did make it easier for me. It felt a bit like the old Guild Wars 1 patch notes.

Exotics were just too easy to get….based on what they had originally intended. For Guild Wars 1 players this seems like a strange statement, but I’ve always known that this game would need more of a sustained player base to support than Guild Wars 1 would. I’ve said this many times.

So yes, I can accept the ascended gear…because it really doesn’t take as long as you think.

The funny bit is, it’s actually, in some ways, easier to make money now that it has ever been, because even some of the low level mats now have value again. It’s another stream of revenue for people who don’t care about getting an ascended item. You can get the mats and make the items without leveling all the way to 500 (you only have to get to 450) and you can still enjoy everything in the game, because the ascended gear won’t stop you from playing.

But yeah….it’s a dark day for Guild Wars 1 fans who were looking forward to an actual sequel.

For me, it’s actually the temples and world bosses that did me in. I can run COF p. 1 pretty quickly for the stars. (Although I still think it’s a good idea, as usual ANet pushes the grind to far. One dragonite orb I would have found a way to do, not five) But I don’t have enough time to play for world bosses to be anything but random chance (I use to do about 1 a week). I certainly won’t sit around doing nothing for half an hour waiting for it to trigger.

I’ve only done one temple, so I don’t know how that works, but I looked around for a few days and didn’t find anyone doing them. I guess this update is not for me. Anyway, I wanted to say that it’s been informative, fun, and frustrating verbally sparing with you on this and other issues. Best of luck.

MikaHR.1978:

You are missing infusions on ascended items.

Yeah, I also left off sigils & runes and didn’t trait. I was just trying to show that you weren’t totally out of left field with the 13%.

Edit: people always act like these small increases don’t matter, but they really add up.

Edit2: adding in centaur runes and might infusions where possible, the total is actual > 13%

ASaturnus.4980:

MikaHR.1978:

GEAR MATTERS. STATS MATTER. Having 13% more damage atm MATTERS. And it will ONLY GROW EVERY FEW MONTHS FROM NOW ON.

May I know how you get to 13% more damage? Because the increase in stats is way lower than that.

13% is a projection based on a based on the damage of full ascended zerker gear on some build compared to the exotic zerger gear. The reason it’s so high is 1) weapon damage and 2) increases in critical damage are much more significant on a percentage basis.

I’m including my math so people smarter than me can identify and correct my errors.

Here’s exotics
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQFABGBQ9AAAAgkCAAokCAAA-jUxAYLgkXR0YVLYqSioavRR0qBA-w

This one has an average weapon damage of 1047.5, power 2118, precision 1814, and crit damage of 81%. This gives an average damage against an armor of 2000 of 1795.76
(1047.5*2118)(1+((1814-822)/2100)(.81+.5))/2000

Here’s ascended
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQFABGBQ9AAAAgkCAAokCAAA-jExAYfgkXR0Y11YKXioaA-w

This one has an average weapon damage of 1100, power 2189, precision 1850, and crit of 89%, this gives an average damage against an armor of 2000 of 2023.163
(1100*2189)(1+((1850-822)/2100)(.89+.5))/2000

2023.163 – 1795.76 = 227.403 (rounding here gimme a break)

227.4034 / 1795.76 = .126635 = 12.66%, rounded to 13%.

I would be happiest if they would just separate the cool down so that on crit sigils have a different cooldown than weapon swap sigils.

Edit: and they need a static bonus to condition damage sigil (like the sigil of force)

Vol.5241:

stof.9341:

What lack of constructive criticism? There has been PLENTY of remarks on how to improve the ascended mess already, some dating back from November last year.

Nothing was listened too, all we got was worse and worse implementations. First the Laurel daily gating for necklace, then the stupid idea of locking the earrings behind zerg guild missions, with an “alternate” scam of paying a huge amount of ectos and laurels for them.

And now, as if the complaints about that ecto price for non zerg guild access for earrings was nothing, let’s put the weapons behind a 250g markup price in our savings for the first weapon. All that without ever fixing the stupid idea that 2H weapon costs the same to craft than a single 1H weapon (in the most expensive mats)

And those constructive points ended up devolving into huge whine fests and massive exaggerations like the one you are using. Scam for using ectos? Colin said back then that it was an incentive for people to guild up. If you didn’t want to, then fine, you would have to pay a premium.

Furthermore, I could make up a ridiculous suggestion in a very constructive manner. Just cause you present it in a professional way doesn’t mean Anet needs to listen to you.

I’m glad that Anet didn’t listen about the ascended complaints because the complaints were from a vocal minority (and mainly from casuals)

I think most of the threads had good and bad posts. It’s hard to stay positive when your upset / disappointed. There’s parts of you that wants to discuss things like an adult and parts of you that wants to kick something. Add to that people trolling and attempting to make people lose their cool.

I also think that there are some people who just can’t empathize with others. Suppose, for example, I had well over 1000 gold and could pretty much buy whatever I wanted. Under those circumstances, I may not mind ascended gear either.

To me this should all be very simple. If you aren’t having fun in the game, it’s time to stop playing.

This isn’t an about face or anything like that. But the developers did give us a place to provide feedback on ascended gear, apparently didn’t read it, and have now (apparently) deleted it.

I would assume that the ONLY impact we can have on the game is either with the play / don’t play dichotomy. So, in some respects, if you aren’t upset enough to quit the game, Arena Net doesn’t care.

The gear rush is a difficult thing. Some people are perfectly fine not having BiS gear, for other people it eats at them. I think it’s best to just acknowledge that Ascended is simultaneously not necessary to complete any current in game content and may be necessary for some people to be happy in the game.

In that case, I think one of the reasons for the constant complaints is that the complaints haven’t been acknowledged. I know that if my wife has a complaint the WORST thing I can do is ignore her.

Even if they said, “we hear you, we know some people are unhappy with this change, but we think it’s best for the game — deal with it” the complaints may die. Without any comment it seems like they may not be paying attention.

On the other hand, sometimes when your dealing with a toddler having a tantrum you have to let them scream it out. So maybe ANet is treating us like toddlers.

Not necessary to be rude. And it’s not BS. Look at my posting history, I have pleaded with ANet not to do this, or if they do it not to make it onerous.

It is much worse than I expected (sorry, maybe shouldn’t have said “we”). I never thought that I’d have to run 20 dungeon paths or do 20 temples in order to craft an ascended weapon. That sucks.

You obviously like Ascended gear, you obviously won. Why can’t you be gracious in victory and go grind, grind, grind.

Yes, because it’s much much worse than we expected. Plus some of us basically begged for them not to do it.

I was just wondering if people were doing temples because they were fun or just for the reward. I’m glad to hear that someone enjoys this update.

No. Every piece of content I’ve seen time spent > skill.

Sutcliffe.5491:

I dun get it….if its not fun for you, u can dont do it. Nobody is forcing u to go COF p1. quartz mining and all the other stuff u mentioned.. Anet is trying to reward people for doing stuff they like. But u are looking at it the wrong way, U are doing these events for the rewards, thats why u dun enjoy it. Go do something u enjoy ingame, if u dun have anything u enjoy in game, then maybe u shouldnt play this game at all.

I agree that people should not do things that aren’t fun. But ANet is not trying to reward people for doing stuff they like. As usual there are a couple of options for getting stuff, the quick way (dungeons and temples) and the SLOOWWWWW way (jumping puzzles and world bosses). (Don’t mention WvW the rewards there are a joke).

All of it would be fine in small doses, but man, you have to do a lot of temples to get the necessary dragonite. None of it is fun, so I’m not doing it.

I’m pretty sure that ArenaNet doesn’t care about this.

We, collectively, may view it as wrong, because IRL insider trading is a crime, as is pumping and dumping, and attempting to corner a commodities market (I’m not arguing this one, so don’t bother arguing with me — look it up instead).

There has been no indication that ANet cares about these other wrongs. Why would they care about this one?

I suspect that all ANet has to do to motivate most people to want ascended gear is slap +2 power on it over exotics. It may not have to be meaningful. (finger’s crossed cause I’m not farming dragonite)

tolunart.2095:

TooBz.3065:

Which is why you probably shouldn’t craft one. Instead of spending 200 gold to craft ascended work toward the legendary which is a) not time gated and b) guaranteed to be BiS.

Assuming the “no more tiers” statement is true, a Legendary weapon is just an ascended weapon with a pretty skin and the ability to change stats. If you don’t need to change stats every five minutes, craft an ascended, do “key runs” until you get enough BL claim tickets to pick your favorite skin, and you won’t need to grind your fingers off chasing a Legendary skin.

Yes, but I’m more confident about the promise that Legendary will always be BiS than I am about the statement / expression of intent / desire that ascended is.

Look, a week ago I was kittening that ascended gear would ruin the game forever, let me adapt at my own pace.

stof.9341:

Vol.5241:

They already said the purpose of ascended was to bridge the wide gap.

I’m pretty sure the sheer cost of making one ascended weapon (around 200g for craft and 40g in mats after) is actually widening the gap between me and a Legendary.

Which is why you probably shouldn’t craft one. Instead of spending 200 gold to craft ascended work toward the legendary which is a) not time gated and b) guaranteed to be BiS.

So far it isn’t affecting WvW. I don’t know if it will after armor comes out. Maybe maybe not.

aeneq.1760:

Transmute to white, transfer, transmute splitter.

That’s clever, if it works.

Also, compounding power affects the damage from shatters.

I think (but I’m not sure) that the first clone will shatter for 9% additional damage, the second for 6%, and the last for 3%. Also, the first clone to shatter does the most damage, there are diminishing returns after that.

So when you combine the increased damage for regular attacks, combined with the increased shatter damage the effect is considered greater than the 10% crit chance.

Look at this thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Shatter-Blds-Prec-Wrack-or-Comp-Power-Trait

There are some people who are consistently rude and condescending. I would appreciate the ability to block their vitriol.

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ShadowPuppet.3746:

Vol.5241:

Did you guys expect Ascended to come off quickly and cheaply? There is a reason why it’s the tier between exotic/legendary.

Furthermore, the price spike is a large result of increased demand. Demand increased for wood so much that people are willing to pay 10s more than pre-patch.

If you are not willing to match other people’s prices, then there is no seller out there that will sell to you.

A tier which doesn’t need to exist as it literally serves no purpose other than to give people busy work. Anet focused their efforts in the wrong direction with ascended and the the two week living story. Instead of actually delivering compelling content and horizontal progression we get bi-weekly to do lists and ascended. So now you have people who are slowly waking up to this and they are upset about it, and they should be as it is not the game that was advertised. Anet has thrown their hat in the ring with trying to be popular versus trying to be different and as such with them pandering to the masses, the people who bought this game on the premise that it is different are being left behind.

While I agree with everything you said, don’t forget, people asked for demanded ascended. They wanted something to grind. I don’t know why, but there is a definite contingent out there who are all “whooooo i can click stuff” awesome. Or maybe it’s the stat increase. IDK.

ANet created this for that set of players. Personally, it’s way to grindy for me. I think having people do different content to get ascended gear is great, but Dragonite and that Em… whatever stuff is a pain in the kitten to gather. (FYI, ANet, it would be better if we had to do like 5-10 world bosses not 50).

As for the content every two weeks, people constantly kitten that there’s nothing to do. ANet came up with an extremely aggressive release schedule. With new content every 2 weeks even with 4 teams they only get 8 weeks to throw something together. I’d give them a break, there isn’t a lot of time. Personally, I hope all the content isn’t this AFK loot fest, but I don’t think I’m the target audience.

IndigoSundown.5419:

I’m sorry that you had a negative experience, but gratified that you’ve done the responsible thing and just walked away from it.

I may craft to 500, I may not. If I do, it will be with mats I’ve collected myself. If that means I never get an Ascended weapon, then so be it. If that means I cannot do content that appears later, because it is gated by Ascended, then I’ll be gone.

GW2 was a good game. Some of that magic is still there, but much of what has been added recently just isn’t doing it for me. I feel I’ve gotten my money’s worth. However, I no longer feel that the game’s direction justifies my continued financial support. If you continue to be dissatisfied with this aspect of GW2 going forward, I recommend some variation of my approach.

Regardless, good luck. I have little doubt that the folks who’ve been the beneficiary of your good intentions have benefited from them. At the end of the day, that’s what really counts.

It technically shouldn’t matter if you harvest the materials yourself or buy them off the TP. If I gather 3 ancient wood logs they are worth 25 silver now (approximately) after the TP tax. So if you use then that’s 25s you won’t get.

I did a similar thing to the OP, except that I had gathered materials, quickly crafted up to about 439, then kicked myself when I realized how much I could have received for those materials.

Temple ones are soul bound on use. And cost 42,000 karma.

Guild backpacks are Assassin (Beserker), Caretaker (Healing, Precision, Vitality), or Defender (Soldier)

Edit: personally, I could get either the Cavalier (Toughness, Precision, Crit Damage) or the Soldiers (Power, Vitality, Toughness). The Exotic Beserker one requires 5 guild commendations, which is ridiculous).

Each temple provides a different set of specs. You can get Magi, Soldiers, Cavalier, Rabid, or Um… I forget. I use to be Wayfarer’s I think.

Generally yes. There have been a couple of ascended back pieces released as a reward for completing parts of the living story. But otherwise you need to do fractals.

Mist essence is account bound and cannot be traded.

That said. Ascended back pieces give 2 (24 instead of 22 I think) point over exotics, and are generally unnecessary.

Is this an undocumented change? I don’t see anything about it.

Mine were all level 80.

Greatsword and sword mainhand with either sword or pistol offhand. (pistol is probably a little better)

I think harder content would be welcome, but not until after the current farm frenzy settles down. I’m too busy farming, I have no time for fun.

Oh for heaven sake. I wish they would fix the paging bugs on this forum.

Lokki.1092:

eisberg.2379:

Banquetto.9521:

eisberg.2379:

Collect the stuff yourself and it is significantly less than 200G

If you collect 200G worth of stuff yourself and use it, then the opportunity cost of leveling crafting was indeed exactly 200G.

If you collect the stuff while you are doing stuff that is fun, than it cost you nothing. How much you can potentially make by selling the materials are irrelevant, if you are going to use it anyways.

No its still costs you something. It costs those items, they have a value associated with them. That Value is 200g. How do people not understand the concept of Instrumental value. If you obtain a car worth 5 grand and you trade that car for an ice cream cone, the ice cream wasn’t free! It cost you a car valued at 5 grand!

Just because you didn’t sell your goods first and gain the money from those goods to then pay for the Items you want doesn’t make those items free. You just cut out the middle man.

If somehow people still don’t understand this imagine taking your gathered raw materials, now sell them all on the TP. You now have 200g, Now following a guide you buy the most cost effective parts to get to crafting 500. They cost you 200g total. So you aren’t out money but it still cost you a value of 200g to get the levels no matter if you sold your goods first, or used them yourself.

Not to mention you pay to collect those goods. Putting you at negative monetary value of said goods if by your thinking, they are valued at zero.

For some reason this is always a difficult concept for people to grasp. I think it’s because they value their own time and effort very little.

I think everyone would like some new WvW content. We would also like the rewards between PvE and WvW to be normalized.

Frankly, I would be happy if WvW was slighly worse than PvE (to keep WvW from becoming a PvE farm) but the current state is ridiculous.

Fernling.1729:

I can’t believe there are people that don’t consider this all to be a big grind.

It’s more that they crave the grind. Persevering through a long tedious task is a sign of endurance and strength. They can stand before their peers and say “I have done this ridiculous stupid tasks for hours on end and thus I get +3 to my power.” This, I must assume fills some void or tickles their pleasure centers in some way.

Basically, they dream of being Sisyphus.

MikaHR.1978:

Vayne.8563:

dalendria.3762:

Morrigan.2809:

Colin did say that they want Ascended to be the last tier- thank the six!
Housing! YaY!

I watched this as well. He said that “he” hopes it is the last tier. He did not confirm that it will be the last tier.

He said he didn’t want to say it would be the last tier because 7 years down the road they might change their mind or someone might even buy the company, but as of now, there is no intention to add more tiers.

That’s a whole lot more than just he “hopes” it’s the last tier.

Why not just come right out and say it? Because any time anyone says anything, if it later changes at any point, people start calling Anet liars. I don’t blame him for hedging his bets.

So you agree that it is all pretty meaningless and if they change their mind they can announce new tier tomorrow.

Thank you.

Got to agree with Vayne on this one. All you can expect the dev team to do is tell you what they are thinking now. Conditions change, things change, ideas change. If they didn’t couch their words then you (or someone else) would come back at them if it later turns out that circumstances aren’t what they thought.

I honestly felt better after listening to that interview.

Yep. But really, this is getting old. As the proud owner of 7 80’s I feel you pain, but ANet knows and doesn’t care.

Essentially yes. They have a lot of gold and want to get the ascended gear. Just like Hells Avenger (I think) said the price of gems has also fallen as people use cash to get gold to buy16s Ancient logs.

Oh, I also hate destroying 4-10 of the old BiS gear to make a new BiS gear, that’s just mean.

Shemsu.8721:

TooBz.3065:

Shemsu.8721:

TooBz.3065:

No. Ascended gear is boring to get. If they bore me I will complain. Don’t care if I never have to do it again.

I hate peas, if you make me eat peas I’ll fuss (especially if it’s a big heaping plateful). Even if you say it’s unlikely I’ll have to eat them again.

Some people like peas, that’s cool with me. Enjoy. Personally, I think that taste terrible.

Then dont eat peas, and dont get ascended gear, nobody is making you do either. Problem solved, quit whining or just quit.

Nope. Nope. Nope. I am the anti-Vayne. (sorry, Vayne, not really, but it’s just funny) I am resilient in the face of opposition.

So your playing a game you dont like, to oppose yourself and frustrate yourself? Sounds like a great way to spend your time, good luck with that

Back in October – December I Loved this game. LOVED it. It was one of the best experiences I’d ever had. I blew off many single player games to focus on this. I still have a shrink wrapped copy of AC3 and Dishonored from Christmas.

I still love aspects of this game, but I think that MMOs in general have a grind problem. Too much of a good thing can be boring and they always push it over the edge.

Before ascended came out I said that I hated it, but provided at least some constructive comments about what they could do to make it better. Mostly dealing with my frustration at being asked to do not fun stuff to get a reward.

Now that ascended weapons are out, I accept them. But I want to point out for posterity that there are good aspects to what they did (pushing people to experience a wider array of content without forcing them to.) and bad things (crafting from 425-450 is a huge drag). Edit: Note: Not 400-425, that’s normal crafting. It’s when you are trying to level up 425-450 using level 400 discoveries that sucks.)

Again, I’m in this for the fun parts. Not everyone is. I understand that some people just want to kill another hour and however you do it is great. I want to have fun.

For me, I had more fun when the rewards sucked. Why? Because the things they reward are not fun. Champion trains are not fun, Zerg events are not fun. At best they are hypnotic.

I didn’t farm those events (because I don’t like farming), so now I don’t have the mats and money to craft up to 450. Now people on this forum are asking for the content to be harder. Not that that’s bad in itself. But didn’t they just ask for better gear?

Shemsu.8721:

TooBz.3065:

No. Ascended gear is boring to get. If they bore me I will complain. Don’t care if I never have to do it again.

I hate peas, if you make me eat peas I’ll fuss (especially if it’s a big heaping plateful). Even if you say it’s unlikely I’ll have to eat them again.

Some people like peas, that’s cool with me. Enjoy. Personally, I think that taste terrible.

Then dont eat peas, and dont get ascended gear, nobody is making you do either. Problem solved, quit whining or just quit.

Nope. Nope. Nope. I am the anti-Vayne. (sorry, Vayne, not really, but it’s just funny) I am resilient in the face of opposition.

xephire.8324:

Infernia.9847:

For the first time since I purchased this game (In April before headstart), I am feeling as though the game has gone in a direction I can’t follow. I have been disappointed by it in the past but this time is different.
You can’t blame it all on ascended either. For a game that was touted as horizontal progression based, glorified dress-up & customization, we had a tiny lot to choose from to do so.
People want to look unique. There were so many ideas in suggestions for this very thing. Monetization could have come from gem-store items that people ‘wanted’ to buy. Anet had some winners: convenience items, makeover kits, special skin tickets, quaggan/charr backpacks.
Why not expand this to special pets/seasonal pets for Rangers, weapon dye kits, kits to make items account bound if not completely unbound, functional minis (with small bonus like +5% karma) <—fix mini functionality first like equipping it and it stays out until unequipped or changed. The ideas I’ve read in suggestions are too numerous to mention and all would bring plenty of money to the company without this new tier of gear. There were a tonne of good ideas for gold sinks that would help stabilize the economy as well.
It just comes down to ease of implementation I guess. It’s more cost effective and easier to pull this out of their hat than to bring forth some novel and cash generating ideas.

It’s a great game that I’ll probably come back to from time to time but it has grown into something I’m not willing to put the time into anymore.

Yep , lets wait for the next big free and shiny MMO at the meantime.

Aren’t they all the same, at least in this aspect? It’s a serious question. I assumed from the way this one is headed and what I’ve read that it’s all one great big gear grind. In which case, no thank you. I’ll crawl back into my single player cave.