Guild Wars 2

Wouldnt it just be easier to recreate the thief in its entirety. this is a colossal fk up. i mean thief HAS NOTHING to compare it to its original on release…i mean nothing. maybe p/d. but thief is unrecognizable now and this is obv not a good change… you are forgetting what makes people want to play this game. they dont want simple skills so people can ALL play comptetively. if u cant respond fast enough no amount of dev changes is going to help. thief is garbage now and not even fun to play. im not even talking about pawning or owning etc im just talking abuot how teleports are toned down…no combos left…. i mean nothing fun…. seriously just ignore damage and buffs and conditions for a sec. just think fun. its not half as fun as it was when it came out (not that it didnt need alot of work) but you are pushing players away. i have 3 legendaries and 9500 account points. would be 12k but i kinda quit. i check in now and again but seriously. im glad i dont spend any cash or play anymore. its hard to invest in a character and get this kind of chagne response. nothing to take pride in when its changed every other month.

also i think this is funny:

“ever so slightly reduce the maximum amount of initiative you can have per second if you min/max those traits”

i think this is a slap in the face to our intelligence. well some of ours. anyway enjoy prolly dont carewhat i have to say but thats the exact problem from another POV. peace

WHY DO DEVS….. think balancing a game = making classes worse (which makes game worse) ….. RATHER THAN….. make other classes strong with more skills or etc and making the game more fun and interesting. seems pretty simple to me.

This nerf set is actually the last of everything. backstab will come in feb and then thief will get removed in may ….im guessing. what ajoke. thief has no place in game anymore. without the init gain d/p is dead/ s/d is hurt alot and so is s/p and d/d.

I would like to say goodbye and address a few things to help you comprehend why!
I wont rant or rave about your horrible decisions. I dont want to be the most OP class or the BEST at anything. I played Thief bc it was different and unique. I have paid to play, I made Quip Dreamer and Incinerator, i have almost all my account points. So why am i quitting after being one of the more elite players in pve and pvp? Here are a few things i will say:

1)You took a fun class who was slightly OP coming out of the gates and balanced him by mid January 2013.
2) Post January 2013 we saw ever increasing buffs with other classes and twice the nerfs with thieves due to the fact other players are bad and cant help themselves if they were given god mode. I understand you need to make other players happy. but instead of JUST giving them better/stronger skills you did that PLUS destroy theif. the only real buffs you gave thief was LS and steal CD reduction. neat but not great.
3) You have made it apparent there is not future for thief lovers in this game. stealth has been fine for a long time and you need to make a casual game or one for good players. its hard to do both. Your hardcore talented players are leaving as im sure youve noticed. the casual ones obv are the whiners and dont spend much money. whatever.
4) So many bad decisions have also made me lose faith in ANET. I dont see myself buying any of your future games as i would hate to have a class i fall in love with and have it destroyed bc of bad players. and i mean bad players. bc even nubs get better.

best of luck anet. i hope you wake up to the wicked ways of your decisions. i doubt ill be checking out any of your future releases. the path of gw2 is dissapointing at best. no new classes. no character development. no new skills. cant think living world is going to keep you afloat. the foundation of any game is classes , storyline and skills/graphics. get back to the basics and make your game fun. good bye.

so? ive dont 62k. big deal.

i bought somewhere in the neightborhood of 80-85 of these. i had 285 when i started. i had no idea this happened. i decided to forge all my cores into lodes bc i thought the prices were going to tank on the day where everyone opened their boxes from saving them on event farming. i had no notice of the change in your live video or the updated page …. can we plz get a refund or something? i mean 40-42 g isnt exactly chump change :P

thank you

carrion sneak attack is 900-1200 dmg. how is it on dire?

Starlightmagus.8654:

I probably need to get better at watching my HP, but auto-attack is never what brings me out of it. It’s always me trying to dagger 5 at the same time it procs. That .5 sec delay is deadly. XD

same. they need to make CND faster by alot. should be no slower than .2 seconds

@dan h. right. i dont even bother suggesting legit possibilities like this. to be honest these sound more watered down than they should be. expected tho…bc we never once get the buffs we ask for. other than steal CD reduction.

most of this sounds really boring

what am i missing? s/d takes so much collateral/AOE dmg thakittens hard to play well…even with the evades that are usually less than 40% of the total activation/skill time. s/d is ….fun. but FAR from op. the dmg is medium. defense medium. no invis low condi removal low spike dmg and high mobility with no stun removal or blinds. pffft. they are nutz

dreamer is my FIRST…….legendary…i never equip it unless im at a boss where i need range….even then usually p/p is better. so i chose a legendary that i used all the time in wvw to not using it at all

Burnfall.9573:

After reading recent Threads about the Continiously Frustrations, Tired, Exhausted and Dissapointements with Guild Wars 2 World, i raised this question.

Most Importantly, the Rise of recent Revolts by these Faithful Individuals including others ‘who haave had it’ completely, Quite and Walked Away from the Inconsiderate, and Uncaring World….

The Majority of the World are Aware, ‘waking up’ to the Devastating Impact of Guild Wars 2 World no Needing and Wanting them Anymore.

The only Remaining ‘contents’ that’s keeping Guild Wars 2 World Barely Alive, are 4 things..

1. Exp, upgrades etc…
2. Zerges
3. Free and Easy Kills by The Perfect Killing Machine Class; Thief.
4. GVG

Other than that..

It’s a Thief World

The Reason I also believe why Guild Wars 2 World is quickly becoming Avoidable of Players.. (see New thread) – ‘Guild Quit due to lack of wvw contents’ is because of Arena.Net playing Favoritism.

I Hope Many of You Know what that is and the reason i say that is because after knowing the obvious reasons, you will see the After-Effect of it.. The Consequence.

I Believe Arena.Net Passionately and Devoted so much of their Time, Effort and Energy in Perfecting the Perfect Killing Machine Class;Thief in Everyway they Possibly could (thief Class is still being Perfected at each state), they Forget or Neglected the other Remaining Important Factors of what Guild Wars 2 World was supposed to offer and Constitute.

For Example; the contents, fixing bugs, adjusting class/ Class Balance that are in need of it (Perma-Stun Warriors, Perma-Stealth Invincible OP Theif)..

or even

Improving Class Mechanics and Dynamics (Ranger’s Pet, Elementist Staff, Guardian Range Weapon, Engineer Turrents, Mesmers Speed Mobility)

Sadly..

At the End

Everyone one Realized Arena.Net was Never in their Best Interests, well, Except; Nerfing thier Capasity In Becoming Worthy Class Players (Ranger, Guardian, Elementalist, Engineer)

Unfortunately, .

The Only Class that is and will Never be Impacted by this Devastating Revolt, is Thief Class.. sadly but True.

Afterall

Thief class was Created to be Future-Proof, while the other classes were Created in having no Value or Worth Whatsoever; they are Intentionally Nerfed, Brokened and thier cries for thier Fixes and Improvements are Intentionally Ignored.

To Sum up the whole Thread

Guild Wars 2 World was and Is and will Always Revolve around and Favor Thief Class, ‘kitten’ the Guild Wars 2 World..

‘Kitten’ Every Potentials Contents, Fun, Dynamic, Entertaining and Progressful of what Guild Wars 2 World was supposed to offer.

Again and Afterall, its your World Thief.

Then Afterward, You can continue to be Free to do Anything, Whatever, Everthing (as Always as before), ..

And you can Continue your Perma Rampage Killing Machine Kills at Will; with Time at your Control; Obviously.

Thief, when Everyone Leave, it will Only be Just You; Like Before.

With all Sincerity, I Always Believed Arena.Net value’s each classes and having Desire for Great game contents for their World but near 1 year.. the Truth Hurts……. I was Wrong All Along.

-The Only World That Exists Near 1 Year Anniversary is a Broken World

As the saying goes, ’When you Neglect your World,, Your World Will Leave You)

Arena.Net.. do you Care about your World?

I usually dont care much because im not ontop of my game on forums when it comes to perfection etc….. but your use of punctuation’s and grammar…..ESPECIALLY your use of capital letters at the first letter of each word is just annoying to read. Weekdays, months, names, places, people, titles, acronyms, countries, and sometimes titles. plz take heed.

that aside……….. he is right about 1 thing even tho he eluded to mention this … the level of stagnation in this game/forums is unbelievable. same posts…topics… conversations and silly responses. its getting old. living story content is cool for no more than 1 week. after thakittens just old news. there needs to be new lvls…new skills…new classes….new maps. i know you said its hard to make a new map (which is why we are getting rearranged WVW maps instead of new ones lol) but if u want to keep gw2 a relevant game. get ur head right. pffft. (targeted at ARENA ….not OP)

Zepidel.5349:

List of Skills that Remove/Convert/transfer conditions

Shadow Return
Magnetic Wave
Phoenix
Signet of Resolve
mending
Ether Renewal
Consume Conditions
Elixir C
Smite Condition
Signet of Stamina
Signet of Renewal
Shadow return
Cleansing Fire
Signet of Water
Power Cleanse
prayer to Kormir
Purge Conditions
Cleansing Flame
Ray of Judgement
Cleaning Wave
Healing Rain
Purify
Purifying Bladt
Cleasning Burst
Drop antidote
healing spring
Box of Truth
purging flames
shake it off
signet of agility
null field
phantasmal defender
purifying ribbon
natures renewal
grim specter
cleansing leaves
Fumigate
Super Elixir
Toss elixir R
shake it off
deathly swarm
putrid mark
save yourselves
signet of renewal
arcane thievery
epidemic
plague signet
gathering plague
contemplation of purity
Elixir C
well of power
Toss elixir C
TRAITS
COMBO FIELDS
INVULN

Max Stacks – 25

List of skills that remove/convert/transfer regular (zerker) damage

INVULN

Max Stacks – 9001

Every single time I play a condition spec class I LITERALLY help the other team by letting people convert them into buffs, or to be used against me. The average length of conditions on someone with a brain ~3 seconds.

Conditions are garbage in PvP and PvE

u are right. to a point. and that points is (2 skills usually) bc after i make tyou waste those 2 skills on dropping conditions then the real condis come out to play.

p/d is only a troll build if u suck if ur good its VERY deadly. and does the same dmg to all classes regardless of defense.

Calae.1738:

A pistol on the offhand is superior to a dagger in every way possible. If you need to AoE just use a Shortbow.

that statement is entirely circumstantial :P

i like this for unload and HS …especially more so in PVE….. the only really useful one is the stun and the stealth….but even so …only the stun reall stacks up with stregthn of other classes F mechanics

i feel d/p is best for this. safer…faster….no downtime as usual….

Lokheit.7943:

I’ve heard that if you’re human, Reaper of Grenth is great for the achievement.

gr8 idea! ill try that out. i have only tried this achivement like 3x …bc i been so busy farming.

Oraith.1732:

Softspoken.2410:

As far as I know, the type of skill chosen for this trait is random. I’m also almost 100% certain that improvisation can choose a skill type that you don’t currently have equipped.

If you take Signet of Malice / any Trick / any Trap / any Deception / Basilisk Venom, you can guarantee one of those skills will be refreshed. Otherwise, there’s a chance that none of your skills will be refreshed.

Travlane.5948:

ensoriki.5789:

Umm no read the description
All skills of ONE Type
The type is Trick, Deception, Signet, Trap, Venom.
So it chooses a type. If the type it chooses is Trick than all tricks you have are recharged.

umm no RE read his explanation of what happened…. he chose 3 types out of the 4. he used steal 5x and only once it managed to rechared one of the 3 picked. this happeneds to me alot. 9 out of 10 times at certain stretches.

This isn’t Star Trek. There are five types.

Ok so after some testing I can confirm that this is how it works. I put signet of malice, a signet, trap, deception, and venom in my utilities and used steal while my skills were on cooldown 5 times. 4 times out of 5 it recharged at least one skill. But on the last try it didn’t recharge any because I didn’t have a trick. So overall you’re kinda’ gambling the recharges with this trait. They should make it so it recharges a skill of a certain type that’s within your utility bar.

i agree but you should have atleast 2 types equipped for it to be valid. or max imize it to 2 total skills. so if u have 4 signets it would only recharge 2

ensoriki.5789:

Umm no read the description
All skills of ONE Type
The type is Trick, Deception, Signet, Trap, Venom.
So it chooses a type. If the type it chooses is Trick than all tricks you have are recharged.

umm no RE read his explanation of what happened…. he chose 3 types out of the 4. he used steal 5x and only once it managed to rechared one of the 3 picked. this happeneds to me alot. 9 out of 10 times at certain stretches.

Jakare.6807:

I’ve been using d/p set up with 4 gambits, and I’ve found it to be more reliable than s/p pistol whip spam.

Kill time is usually 35 seconds, traits are 25/30/0/0/15, taking mug, dagger training, furious retal, critical haste, executioner and thrill of the crime. Using assassins signet, infiltrators signet and signet of agility but agility can be swapped out for smokescreen if you’re having trouble keeping black powder on him. Signet of malice for heal, basi venom for elite. Candied dragon roll is good for extra life steal food, or otherwise any damage boosting food.

Keep in mind that his kill shot will not be absorbed by smokescreen, he has to be blinded.

Rotation is activate basi venom as you’re going in, Shadow shot, steal for buffs, one auto attack rotation, black powder, two auto attack rotations, black powder, usually at this point he teleports (if not just drop another black powder and auto attack), infiltrators signet and black powder, 2-3 heartseekers.

You will still get hit by about half the shots of his volley as the black powder doesn’t pulse fast enough to continually blind his shots, but if youre getting too low health, consider taking smokescreen as this will absorb the volley shots.

umm 35 secs is kinda long…should be around 20 secs per kill. maybe this will help::

same traitline 25 30 0 0 15
Mug / dagger dmg
furious retal / rage quickness on crit / executioner
swift fury might on steal

dagger / pistol (both zerk) sigil of rage sigil of force
full zerk armor (i run 11k health)

sig of malice
ambush
scorp wire
smoke screen
thieves guild

Order:

1) shadow shot
2) smoke screen
3) ambush while slightly moving forward so it triggers
4) Black Powder Shot
5) Auto attack (use thieves guild first if u have it)
6)Scorp wire after his first teleport
7)Keep BPS up and use steal for health or incase of another teleport.
8) HS HS and hes dead when u get him at 25%

Tips:

1) I like to run 25 stacks of bloodlust as it makes each run about 15 secs instead.
2) can use improvisation if you like to use haste to make it around 12 secs
3) BPS …use it about .5 secs AFTER the last one ended….it will keep up

PS: dont wrry about what other people say. BPS keeps up fine….. ill make a video if you need to prove it. but just trust

this is very VERY communistic.

Neural.1824:

There will always be a “sweet spot” that people will find in events such as this.

It takes a ridiculously short amount of time to buy your way to a legendary, it’s called a Credit Card. Until that’s changed there’s no reason to complain about people making gold fast to buy/make them with.

What you are asking is for the game to be nerfed to the point that people only make as much money as you think they should, which is not how things work. People who play the game for gold and shinies are going to find the fastest method to do so, and if you change the game to prevent it they will simply quit, which is bad for the game overall.

ty for saying it. many people forget this is a BUSINESS> not a game first.

tell the cursed shore is the BEST 25 champs in 8 mins…… if they can do better thats fine. but tell them that. im getting about 140 chests per hour.

fellyn.5083:

The difference is that event chains can’t be chained together. It happens, you wait 2, 3, 4 hours for it to happen again.

With champs there is no down time.

You kill A
You kill B
You kill C
You kill D
You kill E

Then back to A. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum with very little down time.

Events you can’t farm. Champs you can.

ember in cursed shore you can thats an event that can give up to 20 champs in 8 mins WOOOT

Excalibur.9748:

the part I don’t understand is…what are you guys farming for?

i mean like there isn’t much to farm for in this game. even though I don’t even have full ascended, I don’t feel like I’m at much of a disadvantage at all.

working on 3rd legendary. :P and saving for the new ascended armor and weapons. and 500 craft

@longwolfie not timing. look at my video above in my post. you will see exactly the fastest way. hop-e it helps.

Mystogan.4157:

you havent seen a d/d thief take on 1v5? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kupkZLVQ5XY

ummm? seriously? :P few notes upon watching this:

1) there is no 1 v 5 ….some 1 v 2s and Kinda arguably 1 v 3 (most running some upscales)

2)This is tier 1. most of them dont roam…most meaning 99.9% and most are HORRIBLE 1 v 1 players. this i know … im t2 and have yet to lose a 1 v 1 or 1v 2 to a tier one player. they are horrendous at small skirmishes and duels. as a matter of fact they arent even aloud to do them…..ive watched 80 -100 man zergs pass me by within 900 range and im just standing there…not EVEN one attacked me. several times this has happened.

3) Entertaining enough video….and i RARELY if ever say this but that quality of opponent was horrendous. No defense guardians? thief that doesnt try backstab once? ele that doesnt RTL or use CCs? warrior who stands there with his back to opponent?

this is again not picking on the thief player in the vid…its just a bad example to show that the thief class is good OR bad. unless you are saying even an average player can pick off nubs in wvw then i would agree with that.

DevilPhaze.6531:

Let’s stop kidding ourselves. Thieves have a very high surviability and high damage build where as it’s not hard to play right if you know what you’re doing. Most classes it’s one or the other.

lol yeah right. you mean they have high sruvivability and dmg IF and only if its the RIGHT situation. and lets not say escaping a 100 man zerg coming after you at a distance is survivability bc anyone can use a WP before they engage….same thign as popping blind powder or Shadow refuge. 1 v 1 yes they have good survivability. 5v5 and higher? nope :P so you should put asterisks (*) next to some kind of statement as such :P. this is hence why thieves are always using trick shot on the outskirts of battles or dodge rolling away bc they cant take dmg. their only survivability is to avoid battle.

i can aslo see assassins signet working well …but only to finish the last 25% hp with hearseeker ….i wouldnt use it early ever…..and in that case its then waiting 30 seconds for it to recharge for next fight which puts you in same boat…but again its not neccessary for haste…. see with my build u can get like 12 secs of haste …SIGIL…..TRAIT…..UTILITY

seem to? no no no. haste is just there to make it a lil quicker. 4 out of 5 matches its ready anyway…improvisation pops it alot. just an “extra” not neccessary at all

Reikou.7068:

Travlane.5948:

well since its already out the bag. there is an easier way to do it….more gambits is more profit per run. saves in the end especially when u are farmin for a while

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBkhDuYe99U

enjoy

More profit/risk per run but a lower turnover rate.

how each fight was shorter than the s/p one. i use improvisation so i get back my skills 50% of the time.

well since its already out the bag. there is an easier way to do it….more gambits is more profit per run. saves in the end especially when u are farmin for a while

enjoy

plz take ur post down. about to get a nerf. DUH! thanks !

Excalibur.9748:

hahahaha that’s funny. So it would be like endure pain but also attacks enemies. I think I like it! maybe a bit too OP though.

kinda like ENDURE PAIN + WHIRL….. so its already in game… i dont see why not! daggerstorm is a serious disadvantage….its like saying to a thief or warrior heres 8 secs to kill me! GO GO GO ! lol. i can down any player in 2-3 secs :P thanks for the extra 6 lol. i agree with OP :P

not nerf bp….. but balance it so ther is no PERMA invis. i dont mind LONG invis. but no need for perma…. but the POINT of this post is why is ANET nerfing thieves ONLY for the guantlet. i mean ther is nothign stated. excuse the spelling im on my cell.

a 2 sec delay on bps stealth after each stealth would be perfect

@Darksidhe could be a test. but at the same time…in the interview the short dude said that it was a “bragging right” or way to show how good you are at the game by having beaten liadri and showing off her mini. i however 100% DISAGREE! why? well lets see…liadri isnt strong…shes actually one of the weakest if not def the weakest of all the bosses. the environment 1 hit KO hurts yes but liadri has no skill.

The ONLY thing beating liadri proves is that you can time your rolls and use the camera angles well!

Anets intentions were in the right place with liadri but to be honest they came up way short. beating the champions at the balloon towers 1 v 1 posed more of a challenge. those guys were quicker….smarter….reacted better. used combos. the gauntlet was just not what they said it was :/

also the ONLY thing they really need to nerf a lil is black powder shot. thats the only thing that is really abusive. now they dont have to tear the whole skill apart. the duration has to stay for defensive reasons. its the ability to stack the invis thats abused. all anet has to do is make it so we cant gain init while invis over and over. it should perhaps only add 2 init if you go invis while you are NOT already invis.

but i would still like to know why the devs and/or anet is targeting thieves like this. not trying to start a conspiracy but there is def more than meets the eye

p/d is the way to go in my opinion. getting within melee range is a risky idea! the shadows seem to be so close to liadri that you dont have much time to burst her. also weakness and cripple is on you alot bc of her. seems like armor and weakness ignoring dmg is best. there are more than 1 way to do it. i just had an easy time with this. other fights i had to use s/p for the acvhiements.

Iavra.8510:

Did the “kill no other oozes”-achievement for Subject 7 on my thief. P/D condi build, dropped Caltrops at the beginning, used poison + torment venom and moved along the wall, CnD’ing on oozes that spawned behind me.

thats what i did too. also used scorp wire to get him away from his mini army

2 init on signet use
5 might on signet use for 10 secs each
5% dmg on dual skills
10% chance to gain rage on crit
20% dmg under 50% hp

25 30 0 0 15 build.

1/2 zerk 1/2 valk …something like this with S/P and S/P works great.

ok i think you guys are MISSING THE POINT> i did it. i have liadri doll i have all the achievement minus the 8 crystals on liadri. its not about be able to finish it. its why is thief the only class targeted and the only class having its core mechanic taken away. not to mention heals condi removal defense and offensive capabilities. there is a timer so you can\t hide and heal. why cant we use backstab or sneak attack etc. why not blind etc.

BobbyT.7192:

Travlane.5948:

So the pirates are blind proof and several fights in the gauntlet also cause revealed the entire match. I am not here to yell and pound my chest…however…. i AM here to ask why out of pure curiosity. Dont get me wrong i have ALL the matches done and only missed the 8 crystal achievement so its not like im whining. but im curious if this is a BUG or a direct NERF towards the thief class.

Healing thousands of HP
Removing multiple conditions
AOE blinds
Initiative gain
Initiative regeneration
Sneak attack
Back Stab
Tactical Strike
Surprise Shot

To name the main reasons why this is important should go without saying but easier to really look and see the entirety of what it affects. We probably lose 75% or more of our offensive power in several builds because of this. We are also pigeonholed to play a sword build (forced).

Now i understand you probably dont want cheap thieves hiding while invis to reset or heal up etc etc. That said, you also put a relatively short timer in place so that this cannot happen regardless of stealth hiders. I have personally seen dozens of non-thief classes fall from the floor dropping out due to the expiration of the time limit (shows you thakittens a pretty short timer).

With no further ado;

WHY? Can you elaborate and explain please?

I was able to beat them on the 2nd try when I switch to a condition d/d bleeder build. wasn’t that bad imo.
They did explain that you would have an easier time if you change or adapt your build for each fight.

fact is …..ther is no skill or warning there is this about to happen …and no logical reasoning as to why they would add it. go nerf clones in these fights…. or go nerf blocks or go nerf pets. why stealth? why no explanation. this is JUST like when they nerfed withdraw(which was in the notes) and then did roll for initiative too! both underwater distance nerfs but only ONE was supposed to be nerfed. so many people dont notice all the small nerfs they do that they dont mention. i for 1 would atleast like to know why. im a gamer that has given them money and would like to know their reasoning …objective and future goal/plans …. perhaps i would not like to participate. perhaps i may agree with their reasoning.

So the pirates are blind proof and several fights in the gauntlet also cause revealed the entire match. I am not here to yell and pound my chest…however…. i AM here to ask why out of pure curiosity. Dont get me wrong i have ALL the matches done and only missed the 8 crystal achievement so its not like im whining. but im curious if this is a BUG or a direct NERF towards the thief class.

Healing thousands of HP
Removing multiple conditions
AOE blinds
Initiative gain
Initiative regeneration
Sneak attack
Back Stab
Tactical Strike
Surprise Shot

To name the main reasons why this is important should go without saying but easier to really look and see the entirety of what it affects. We probably lose 75% or more of our offensive power in several builds because of this. We are also pigeonholed to play a sword build (forced).

Now i understand you probably dont want cheap thieves hiding while invis to reset or heal up etc etc. That said, you also put a relatively short timer in place so that this cannot happen regardless of stealth hiders. I have personally seen dozens of non-thief classes fall from the floor dropping out due to the expiration of the time limit (shows you thakittens a pretty short timer).

With no further ado;

WHY? Can you elaborate and explain please?

Hickeroar.9734:

Pinch.4273:

Travlane.5948:

i ran an invis build. i really dont like s/d or s/p for anything other than spvp. just kinda stupid that there is a TIMER (made so you cant hide or take ur sweet kitten time) AND a 60 sec reveal buff. i mean really thats just rediculous. its saying you cant play thief unless ur not going to use stealth. that means no init gain no condi removal no blinds no regen no init regen no backstab no sneak attack no tactical strike etc etc. seems like alot to take away. imagine if they did that to another class. ouch.

Don’t run an invis build for him. It costs 3.5s to respec.

You probably don’t even need to respec. Just put a pistol in your offhand and spam blinding powder and autoattack him.

Stealth is a CORE MECHANIC of the thief class. Removing it is a slap in the face to everyone who rolled a thief.

EDIT: also, every fight that I’ve had that has the permanent revealed debuff is also immune to blind. It’s a double slap in the face.

cant tell if this is a bug or not. its def biased…no reason for this as there is no skill in game that can do this. so its either a bug or more proof anet hates thieves! yeah no other classes were nerfed like this so i wonder the idea behind it. i dont like being PUSHED into played sword pistol or sword dagger. bs.

strafing i like.

i have stun on steal for 2 secs every 20 sec

i have caltrops on 24 seconds

i have scorp wire on 16 seconds

i have shadowstep on 60 seconds

i have withdraw

i have thieves guild

i have caltrops on dodge

i even tried poisons but didnt have fast enough recharge to be worthy. the only ones im not able to get osmetimes are the meat thrown ON him literally.

Reikou.7068:

I did it my first time with shortbow…

I don’t see why this is challenging at all. Just kite, keep shooting the owner, and infiltrator to the meat when he throws it.

i guess u got lucky. it dont matter if u infil arrow. if he throws it ON TOP OF CHOMPER….he eats it in 1 second. IA is like 1.25 seconds to cast and another 1.25 seconds to pick up meat. u have to be literally on the same area at the same time or have no chance.

im thinking d/p build for power and just BPS the area….

the only problem is when the stupid dog is alrady ontop of the spot the meat is thrown.

as we know thieves have no pushbacks.

SR + shadow rejuvenation is like a 12k heal or 14k . its 18k to 20k if u have regen on stealth….i think the first 2 are find then condi removal.