Guild Wars 2

why should block on invisibility break stealth? the idea is bad in and of itself!

u stand still. press block/aegis/inv and then you get automatic reveal on enemy? thats not rewarding good gameplay thats rewarding 1 click win buttons. get real and L2p

Ok i feel this set of armor, Rampagers, has a place in game for thieves. can do dmg against bunkers and against balanced as well as kitten zerks. the problem is the defense.
I have been dying to make this work since day 1. i have tried so many things but to no avail?

anyone out there actually use rampagers and absolutely own withit? I only own with carrion, zerk, valk and dire but i dont use dire bc its too slow.

when im on my main 2 classes…. i pretty much NEVER get backstabbed. seriously idk what everyones problem is

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

RedSpectrum.1975:

Travlane.5948:

Tao.5096:

Really? I believe that Thief is one of few classes that actually has pretty much nice elite skills.
Maybe it’s a compensation for crap base skills on d/d build -.-

daggerstorm is good for zergs yes and on a semi fair cooldown.

thieves guild i think should be 180s cooldown so a thief can atleast use it 2x in 1 SPVP match. i dont care what people say about this…they are weaker than mesmer clones/phants and ranger pets….they only get 1 util each and hit for 108 on the gunner and 220ish on the dagger thief. not alot. its less powerful than supply crate….less powerful than the moa morph…. and many others. people just get annoyed bc the thief scorp wire is more accurate and time better than human scorp wire. which is sad.

BV needs to be redone entirely. it is hands down….and no argument here (unless ur REALLY bad at math) the WORST stun in the entire game across all players at all times.

so id give the thief elites a 6.5 out of 10 having only 1 good elite thats usable however its only usable in large zergs which limits it.

TG is on a 180 second cooldown

brain fart. 120 then

you vs everyoen else intropp.

proof is there. enjoy it. you can fight with it if u like. chokeon it

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass. So I guess you must be trolling.

Dear Saturn,

you wrote;

“. . .facetank someone. . .while standing in black powder, I’ve not done so for very long I had to dodge out and heal up.”

Can you tell me, by this statement, if you are the thief or the guy attacking the thief? ah you can’t! Please learn to describe what you mean before you attack somebody for misunderstanding what you MEANT and not what you actually WROTE.

thanks
everyone on the forums who reads/writes english

Saturn.6591:

Travlane.5948:

Saturn.6591:

Travlane.5948:

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass. So I guess you must be trolling.

who me? bet 25g or something nominal in the range and ill make a video showing you how silly you sound.

If you would have taken the time to actually READ my post, you would have noticed that I don’t feel like blackpowder is overpowered at all. Thus, my post is obviously directed at those who say it is… which is not what you are saying. But judging from the fact that you instantly start to challenge people for no reason and want to bet for gold, I shouldn’t be surprised that you’ve missed the point of my post.

i was talking to all whom think BP is OP. if that includes you then yeah,….if it doesnt then i wasnt talkuing to you….if u read other’s comments….

Now that’s a lame excuse. You actually QUOTED ME. And if you quote me, I take it that you’re talking about what I’ve written in that quote. I mean… that’s the purpose of quoting, right? To make clear to what you are responding to. So my point still stands.

Just for evidence:

Travlane.5948:

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass. So I guess you must be trolling.

who me? bet 25g or something nominal in the range and ill make a video showing you how silly you sound.

they way you stated it you could be the person casting BP or the person who is inside it trying to kill the thief. think about it

d/p doesnt need tuning DOWN…i think they should INCREASE the aoe circle from BPS by 60 radius….POSSIBLY turn it down to 3 secs and 5 init isntead. that way the thief can actually use the BP rather than get beat tohell inside it. right now its almost useless against good players.

listen…guys…go check my other post about phant/clone problem.

the one im talking about and THINK he is talkin about here has nothign to do with channeling.

i cast stealth. 4 secs later a new attack hits me. sorry this is not the samething. ping me a mesmer skill that has a 5second+ cast time thanks

(1sec to cast stealth skill + 4 secs before i was hit on several occaisons)

Tao.5096:

Really? I believe that Thief is one of few classes that actually has pretty much nice elite skills.
Maybe it’s a compensation for crap base skills on d/d build -.-

daggerstorm is good for zergs yes and on a semi fair cooldown.

thieves guild i think should be 180s cooldown so a thief can atleast use it 2x in 1 SPVP match. i dont care what people say about this…they are weaker than mesmer clones/phants and ranger pets….they only get 1 util each and hit for 108 on the gunner and 220ish on the dagger thief. not alot. its less powerful than supply crate….less powerful than the moa morph…. and many others. people just get annoyed bc the thief scorp wire is more accurate and time better than human scorp wire. which is sad.

BV needs to be redone entirely. it is hands down….and no argument here (unless ur REALLY bad at math) the WORST stun in the entire game across all players at all times.

so id give the thief elites a 6.5 out of 10 having only 1 good elite thats usable however its only usable in large zergs which limits it.

Troublesome.5670:

So I was thinking, since Mesmer gets stealth, why shouldn’t thief get a clone…just one!

Call the skill Shadow Dance and make it an elite with a fair CD, 240+.

When you activate the skill you briefly gain stealth and summon a mirror image of yourself. The clone then mirrors the thief’s movements (moving the opposite or mirror image of the way you do) for 30 sec. up to a range of 1600.

Clone does 0 damage and expires after 30 seconds, when killed or when thief gains Revealed debuff.

Would it be OP? ehhh, iono, it’s debatable. But kitten it’d be fun! =)

id put this as a 60 sec cooldown basically buys time…thats it.

i was alone each time it happened and/or nobody was even close enough. i am 100% sure at this point this is a problem but i cant relate to when/how/why yet.

phaeris.7604:

But its funny to see warriors ,who probably think it’s just them that are great players and not the inherent stupidity of giving a high armour/high hp class the ability to do so much damage whilst remaining so tanky with the best regen in the game coupled with the best mobility, get their panties in a twist.

The difference in power between the warrior and the ranger say, is just so huge. A longbow warrior is better than a longbow ranger in all respects. and that right there tells you all you need to know about the warrior. Master of weapons!, including your classes weapons.

+1’d your post. this is exactly true. there should be no burnign on warrior period. also i said that a LB warrior makes a LB rangerlook like a beginner.

Bran.7425:

1) First of all I think the thread title is encouraging hostility not, open discussion.
2) It would seem that it is a few short post away from “You’re a poo-head, No you’re a poo-head” again not, open discussion.

Might be for the best if this thread gets closed.

no not really. the overpowerd warrior experiment is experimenting on the hypothesis that warriors are overpowered…which is a commonplace claim right now. you cant call a hypothesis socially pressing in any manner if it is a relevant issue and common idea or concept.

2) you are half right here. the people claiming warriors are OP are shoing videos of warrior doing really well with ZERO experience having ever been on warrior…. and pictures of them beating top tier players and the single guy that isnt is basically saying nanan nana boo boo i am rubber yhou are glue while supporting no picutres statitics or anything relevant other than ad hominem.

Saturn.6591:

Travlane.5948:

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass. So I guess you must be trolling.

who me? bet 25g or something nominal in the range and ill make a video showing you how silly you sound.

If you would have taken the time to actually READ my post, you would have noticed that I don’t feel like blackpowder is overpowered at all. Thus, my post is obviously directed at those who say it is… which is not what you are saying. But judging from the fact that you instantly start to challenge people for no reason and want to bet for gold, I shouldn’t be surprised that you’ve missed the point of my post.

i was talking to all whom think BP is OP. if that includes you then yeah,….if it doesnt then i wasnt talkuing to you….if u read other’s comments….

Kadin.2356:

Fun fact: the 10% less DPS is from a maxed out party, that means 25 might, 25 vuln, warr banners, frost spirit, and spotter. That will hardly have ANY impact on pvp and WvW.

Anyone got a source for this? I watched the live stream and all they said was it would around a 10% damage decrease for berserker wearing classes. They never said anything about buffs/stacks or anything line that. I’ve been attributing that interpretation to wishfull thinking but I could be wrong.

let me quote

“….. it is about a 10% reduction in dmg across the board….(all classes too)”

that isnt a reduction in high end or crit or zerk gear…. but dmg in totality.

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Jinchuu.4208:

bckerr.4798:

Stop QQ.
Thieves have become stealth dependent now, not damage dependent. Would give you many more dodges with +10% damage. Having stealth -10% damage is QQ.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding this because it’s worded so poorly but not all thieves rely on stealth. I can’t even remember the last time I actually put myself in stealth on mine.

since the infil return nerf yes most of them rely on stealth atleast a little. there is no more competitive non stealth builds. go play high end TPVP …ull get the idea.

condi removal (stealth related…unless u wanna count your signet for 1 condi)
blinds (blinding power is stealth related and so is the blind on stealth trait)
backstab/sneak attack(if you go condi or dagger direct dmg…both are used)
healing (best healing in class is in stealth)
defense(best defense other than dodging is here…every class has dodge tho)

s/d p/p s/d are just not played right now at a competitive lvl. yes your very very occaisonally see a s/d thief or a s/p thief but not enough to say its commonplace or even close to meta.

You are rank 13 confirmed baddie, what do you know about hight end pvp? Or competitve level? got no clue even how glory is awarded or how u get points in spvp, you spout your wisdom?

math has nothing to do with experience in pvp tough guy.

also i win plenty of 1v1 tournaments with my thief. i just dont spvp bc its BIASED against thief due to the crit dmg cap. it cripples thieves speciality which comes at a high price on defense. thats like a guardian going all clerics and cutting it by 33.33% (as crit max is 66% in spvp).

again you are out of your league. you can come duel if u like. but ull say you are on NA or EU depeding on what i am on.

NinjaEd.3946:

The radius of the field is less than the range of any basic melee attack. Only fools get “blind spammed” by this skill.

i know…i explained this to “FEELS ALRIGHT” andhe didnt respond since for the obvious reason :P

RyuDragnier.9476:

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass.

I confirm this.

BP is usually a type of counter to a big burst you see coming. D/P thief just went stealth on you? Let out a black Powder and stand in the middle, it’ll save you from a single backstab. See Eviscerate coming? Black Powder.

wrong :P srry just wrong. again bet money and ill make a quick 20 sec video.

you all spread so many lies and misinformation. black powder is a deterent not from quick burst combos but from normal melee auto attacks and such. its to cut dmg a bit…even if only 25-33% against and average to decent player…..at the cost of half of the thieves attacks.

Saturn.6591:

Believe me when I say that whenever I’ve tried to facetank someone who’s not an NPC while standing in Black Powder, I’ve not done so for very long before I had to dodge out and heal up. And I’m NOT full glass. So I guess you must be trolling.

who me? bet 25g or something nominal in the range and ill make a video showing you how silly you sound.

dude read.

i said look at my characters glory.

“215 glory poitns earned that match” “215 glory points total”

what do u think that suggests? NUUUUUUUUUUUUUB thats what…i dont play warrior

also… i did very well…stats dont lie and neither does video.

booooooooyah! lol yeap bringin it back to 4th grade. all seriousness tho…. u cant deny whats infront of you andthe whole forum is saying the same. enjoy your little reality on your easy to play class.

danbuter.2314:

Travlane.5948:

Jinchuu.4208:

bckerr.4798:

Stop QQ.
Thieves have become stealth dependent now, not damage dependent. Would give you many more dodges with +10% damage. Having stealth -10% damage is QQ.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding this because it’s worded so poorly but not all thieves rely on stealth. I can’t even remember the last time I actually put myself in stealth on mine.

since the infil return nerf yes most of them rely on stealth atleast a little. there is no more competitive non stealth builds. go play high end TPVP …ull get the idea.

Except that no one other than a few hundred players play tpvp, and this nerf will affect the entir playerbase. Oh wait, anet still somehow believes that gw2 is going to be a sport pvp game.

the nerf will affect the entire game yes…but thief by far the hardest. go cut defense by 10% and see how hard other teams cry bc thieves are stronger. any nerf will always affect the class that most relies on it. simple.

doesnt matter what YOU do…point is that this happens. your preferences on fighting style have no effect on gameplay. you might experience different thigns accordingly…but thats of no consequence to the bug expressed in this thread

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Stealth-and-clones-bug

another thread from mesmer perspective. they are targeting us while in stealth. and its 100% not a chenneling problem

reesha it hinkt hey are talking about being able to target thief while in stealth and not being a channeling thing.

i made another post about this while i was targeting in stealth and being attacked well outside of the realm of it being a channeling possiblity.

look in the threads u will see my name as threadcreator on a similar topic.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Travlane.5948:

good point! did you take into consideration the radius of the players hit circle? its almost as big as blinding powder. oh yeah so that leaves like 10 range gap…. i think 130 is greater than 10 range. even if it wer 20 range. pfft.

you almost had a point there….darn. if u did have a point it would be under the premise that each player has a .0000000001 radius hit circle. cmon thats sillyl

So if everyone’kitten circle is as big as the powder radius wouldn’t that make me get blinded even further away from the circle? Increasing the gap between players. It doesn’t make sense.

its hard concept tounderstand. allow me to try simplify it.

lets say black powder is 220 diameter now lets say that a players hit diameter is 180. a pretty close ratio no doubt. now lets cast black powder shot… and move the thief so his heels are on the rear of the aoe blind field. this cuts his hit diameter in half if you are attacking from his front. so 220-90 = 130. 130 = normal melee range. as long as he is inside of the circle….. u can hit him no matter what. this is 100% fact. i can prove it to you if you like too but not taking the time to make a video on commonplace knowledge unless you place a bet with a medium party.

that all said….. even if u stand inside with him 2 out of 3 hits will still connect even with melee attacks on most characters. not to mention all the other burst and whirl and multiple hit attacks every player has which hit at 80-90% inside the circle. so in the big picture it only affects new/bad players at a really high percentile.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Evernessince.8035:

First off it does not deny melee anything. Only an idiot would stand in the bp ring and every class has an imob, knockback, stun, or attack that can hit the thief. 100 blades can hit the entire circle and has a very quick cooldown. 5 on warrior gun will smack the thief out of the field. 4 on thief pistol will stun the thief, preventing stealth. I’m not even going to dip into any pull abilities or necro fear.

Most auto attacks have 130 range.. stand on the other side of the powder… 220 range away and you’ll never get hit. I agree stuns are very good against preventing stealth but none of them last 4 seconds. Let alone having the chance to even use the skill. Black powder can blind you from 900 range away, to get that stun off you need to move closer, use an auto attack to clear the blind, and then use your stun which probably has a cast time, all before someone can heart seeker through the field?

I still say, reduce the field to 3 seconds, reduce the initiative cost to 5 (this will at least give some gap between revealed and stealthed, while keeping the field/init ratio about the same) and possibly remove the blinding projectile.

good point! did you take into consideration the radius of the players hit circle? its almost as big as blinding powder. oh yeah so that leaves like 10 range gap…. i think 130 is greater than 10 range. even if it wer 20 range. pfft.

you almost had a point there….darn. if u did have a point it would be under the premise that each player has a .0000000001 radius hit circle. cmon thats sillyl

this whole conversation is stupid. really. … its the smallest AOE in game…. for 1.

for 2…its the only way a thief can really get in the skinny of battle and not get obliterated by collateral dmg from others melee attacks…. even tho AOE will totally do the job.

u can attack the thief fine when hes hiding in Black powder just think! go up to the edge and theres nothing he can do. cmon guys L2p really.

Dee Jay.2460:

Reikou.7068:

Dee Jay.2460:

I don’t really care for the minor buffs and nerfs here and there.Disabling Shot is probably going to be most noticeable.

Improvisation will be nice, no doubt, possibly even OP. We’ll have to wait and see.

But what really annoys me is that REAL Thief problems like:

• Last Refuge
• lack of condition removal outside of Shadow’s Embrace.
• little/no sustain outside of Shadow Arts and evade-spam.
• huge amounts of utility piled into stealth.
• etc.

Are still ignored. Like not even acknowledged…..just completely ignored as if ANet had NO IDEA they are even a problem.

You know why nobody could predict these changes? Because they make no sense. They are completely random and don’t follow any logic or feedback.

You could try running a non-SA build and you’ll see that almost all your issues are resolved…

So wait, I have the ability to remove all types of conditions outside of stealth?

I have access to frequent Blinds as a trait, outside of stealth?

I have a massively increased run-speed outside of stealth?

I have substantial passive healing outside of stealth (lol @ Assassin’s Reward)?

Because if I do, do tell because I’ve clearly been missing out.

right on. we need other things like

dodge roll = -1 condi
6 init spent = -1 condi
each signet removes 2 condis
each trap triggered removes 3 condis
steal removes 2 conditions

basically things that dont revolve aroudn stealth.

i proved i have 0 experience

i scored best offense/defense/kills on my first try

i scored 2nd place in points…only 20 behind first

i did well considering 0 experience. id actually rate self at slightly above average.

this all goes towards the fact that warriors are OP. you are the only one in here that thinks not. seriously….fight everyone.

i proved i did well

i proved i was 0 experience

did i not? its ALL in the video.

i wanna see somebody else join theif…..play full zerk…. show that they have 0 experience in thief …… and then score in the top kills top defense top offensive ranks in spvp on first try.

try ranger. try engineer. 0 experience. that means no lvl 80s. and 0 tries in spvp .

Hype.8032:

I mostly see cheesy exploitations of the improv change, I’m really not a fan of a change like this. Bad players will try to stack more burst together for an all or nothing approach, and top players might have to stop taking basilisk venom to keep the odds of regenerating utilities at 100% so they can time steal to suit situational needs. BUT…. lyssa is thief meta (need BV to use it) so who knows at this point.

Nothing to bring s/d back here =/

i see more variety being used like ambush trap. i really like this change. ith ink its a good one to bring more buidls into competitive play

Reikou.7068:

Travlane.5948:

im a very good and experienced thief…actually.

in the sense of what disabling shot does. evades and gives cripple. thats it. nothing OP about it. people just want us to be easy bags…bunch of QQ babies.

so rather than deny my points…u just call nub. doing that is actually…nub. basically your only point is “nananana boo boo” ? c mon …come correct brah

Experienced? Probably. Good? Not by what you’ve tried to say in your comments.

Normally I’d do a writeup about why you’re wrong, but this time I think I’ll just listen to Auesis’ advice and not waste my time.

only one way to find out im in gamenow lets set it up!

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Ok, watched it.
Never on 1×1 fight. When enemy focus you you die in 3 seconds. They dont try to stomp, teammates ress. Then you hit people in their back for 2 min, againt geting focused, die in 3s, they dont stomp.

After that you join zerg and run with them, again, no evenly matched duels, you stick behind lines doing random crap tagging people. You get focused at the end of that reb defence, where you fail to kill guarding outnumbering him?.. die in few seconds, got stomped. Continue to follow team zerg.

So with your original post you count that remaining hp in zerg fight?
Because when i play spvp, i roam alone, assault far point, decap where needed, attack treb and so on, im always on even duels be that 1×1, 2×2 or outnumbered, and warrior is getting focused there, because believe me, once stance are down ( i dont use them), you are on easy target to hit.

to sum up – your video show rolling in winning teams zerg, tagging opponents geting points for that. When being targeted= melt in seconds, unless delaying death few sec with stance.

Travlane.5948:

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

yeah…umm even fights….only ones that werent really were the beginning couple wher ei was outnumbered 5v2 and 4v2….either way ….if what u say was true how did other people get close to me in score? i wasnt capping and i wasnt bunkering. i was strictly looking for fights. i could have owned the scoreboard if i did capping. such a silly thing to say.

group v group battles show power. 1v1 is all about build v build. and experience/skill vs experience/skill.

no matter what evidence i show you.

BOTTOM LINE>

i owned that SPVP match (best overall)

and i have 0 experience.

there is only 1 explanation for this. warrior is OP. u cant deny the stats and lack of matches.

Nope, you didnt own, team you were in did. I can guarantee game wasnt even for most part or enemy didnt play for objectives. You can see your team always having + 2 nodes and zerking in mid, enemy didnt even try to decap. Capping nodes you get less score than zerging. Kill = 15(less if not stomped) points for tag, decap and cap – 20 points, takes alot of time, you need to succeed, got travel time in between.

You didnt look for fights, you were following zerg. 1 thing is spectacular at the beggining – 4 enemy focusing teammate mesmer for 1 min not being able to kill him, ignoring you.

And your key to big score – dropping lb blast on nodes. Covers its all, 2-3 + enemies get tagged.

In whole video you landed 0 100b hits ( 1 time on downed guardian), randomly used skills TAGING enemy your team killed, getting point for that. It was not you who did the damage, you barely scrapped any of them.

Guess what – this stuff doesnt happen on even fight or in duels, you get rekt ( like you did when enemy finally focused you).
To sum up, you played terrible ( as you claimed), team won the game actually capping, using treb in first part of video. enemy had 3 guardians and they didnt keep nodes.
And you were outnumbered once, in the start of the video in mentioned mesmer tanking all enemy 4 guys ( proves their skill tbh), from that points it was you always outnumbering that “skilled” enemy team

if my TEAM owned then i wouldnt have top kills…somebody else would have. good lord your common sense is lacking. argument over.

no matter how u look at it…I SHOULD NOT DO AS WELL AS I DID being a first time warrior playing first time ever! PERIOD!

u cannot argue that. its not possible. unless u think im a godly player and just natually good at everything i do. if u think that thank you i accept your amazing and humble compliment lesser mortal.

Solori.6025:

Travlane.5948:

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Ok, watched it.
Never on 1×1 fight. When enemy focus you you die in 3 seconds. They dont try to stomp, teammates ress. Then you hit people in their back for 2 min, againt geting focused, die in 3s, they dont stomp.

After that you join zerg and run with them, again, no evenly matched duels, you stick behind lines doing random crap tagging people. You get focused at the end of that reb defence, where you fail to kill guarding outnumbering him?.. die in few seconds, got stomped. Continue to follow team zerg.

So with your original post you count that remaining hp in zerg fight?
Because when i play spvp, i roam alone, assault far point, decap where needed, attack treb and so on, im always on even duels be that 1×1, 2×2 or outnumbered, and warrior is getting focused there, because believe me, once stance are down ( i dont use them), you are on easy target to hit.

to sum up – your video show rolling in winning teams zerg, tagging opponents geting points for that. When being targeted= melt in seconds, unless delaying death few sec with stance.

Travlane.5948:

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

yeah…umm even fights….only ones that werent really were the beginning couple wher ei was outnumbered 5v2 and 4v2….either way ….if what u say was true how did other people get close to me in score? i wasnt capping and i wasnt bunkering. i was strictly looking for fights. i could have owned the scoreboard if i did capping. such a silly thing to say.

group v group battles show power. 1v1 is all about build v build. and experience/skill vs experience/skill.

no matter what evidence i show you.

BOTTOM LINE>

i owned that SPVP match (best overall)

and i have 0 experience.

there is only 1 explanation for this. warrior is OP. u cant deny the stats and lack of matches.

Warrior’s are getting the healing signet nerfed and berserker stance nerfed, longbow animations will become longer…

If you have any more trouble beating a warrior, like so many people in this thread are having……I dont even know what " polite" advice I could give besides stay in pve.

Running in Spvp and following a zerg isnt evidence.
If you really wanted to prove your point.
They have Solo que arena games.

Go make a vid of that and make your arguement solid and concrete.
I can go in on my lvl 5 engi, spec for conditions and run around with a zerg and get top tags, and top stats.

its not about on the other end. its just a “no class should be good at everything and have everything in the same build” and be able to be good by a first time player on a competitive lvl. THATs all that is being said here.

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Ok, watched it.
Never on 1×1 fight. When enemy focus you you die in 3 seconds. They dont try to stomp, teammates ress. Then you hit people in their back for 2 min, againt geting focused, die in 3s, they dont stomp.

After that you join zerg and run with them, again, no evenly matched duels, you stick behind lines doing random crap tagging people. You get focused at the end of that reb defence, where you fail to kill guarding outnumbering him?.. die in few seconds, got stomped. Continue to follow team zerg.

So with your original post you count that remaining hp in zerg fight?
Because when i play spvp, i roam alone, assault far point, decap where needed, attack treb and so on, im always on even duels be that 1×1, 2×2 or outnumbered, and warrior is getting focused there, because believe me, once stance are down ( i dont use them), you are on easy target to hit.

to sum up – your video show rolling in winning teams zerg, tagging opponents geting points for that. When being targeted= melt in seconds, unless delaying death few sec with stance.

Travlane.5948:

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

yeah…umm even fights….only ones that werent really were the beginning couple wher ei was outnumbered 5v2 and 4v2….either way ….if what u say was true how did other people get close to me in score? i wasnt capping and i wasnt bunkering. i was strictly looking for fights. i could have owned the scoreboard if i did capping. such a silly thing to say.

group v group battles show power. 1v1 is all about build v build. and experience/skill vs experience/skill.

no matter what evidence i show you.

BOTTOM LINE>

i owned that SPVP match (best overall)

and i have 0 experience.

there is only 1 explanation for this. warrior is OP. u cant deny the stats and lack of matches.

Locuz.2651:

Introp.8465:

doubt that. Im finishing my masters in university, you can presume age.

I guess about 10 years younger than i am.

almost same here . im 30. then again im finishing my masters too so who knows what that means.

he wont accept any evidence.

he also things 1v1= OP. thief is good at 1v1 yet cant do any of those larger fights. eh w.e. point was proven.

kids? im prrrrrrrrrrobably older than you considering im older than the average player.

Top player objective ASSAULTER
Top Player objective DEFENDER
Top Player Kills

2nd place overall with 140 points (i didnt cap and was only 20 behind 1st)

i have no experience on warrior

i did well and my inexperience shined through

was a close match not like a blow out. some sucked im sure and some where prolly ranked.

either way this shows even a new player never played warrior can do well even when running through AOES and never running from 5v2s like in beginning where i died a couple times.

there you go….i proved both things…..im nub on warrior and can do well.
WATCH WHOLE THING

http://youtu.be/CJPvRidFuIo

Locuz.2651:

Its literally impossible to win a discussion vs people like Introp. No matter how far from the truth their make believe reality is. They will spin it around and create logic out of nonsense.

I remember their was a similar thread with a poster similar to introp. At the end ppl posted a duel video between Caed and Anastarcis. Two of the best, most epxerienced and highest rated people in the world.

You know what the guy said? “That thief sucks and is a typical player that complains about how weak thief is”.

yyes i know but i can prove i have no experience on warrior and i can prove i can get top kills and top scorer all at the same time. ther eis no denying that. unless you are just stubborn and wanna fight reality.

ok so in the video i got:

Top Player objective
Top Player kills

scored 2nd (20points behind 1st)

obv by my skills i suck as warrior and am a total nub …..look at bottom of stats at end. look for “glory” tell me what you see.

Post coming in 3-4 mins…its 40% on youtube

EDIT: it was literally the first battle. not like i chose one…aslo not like i could fake if u look at bottom.

cyyrix.6105:

The improv trait change looks awesome. We don’t have to worry about cooldowns on weapon skills, so it never really made sense to have cds on the utility skills. Much more consistent now.

would be a nice boost to power line. right now its only taken for the +250 power or +300 if ur desperate enough.

having som enice traits to choose is gr8 too.

Reikou.7068:

Travlane.5948:

so tell me this…is it stronger than 4 secs of invulnerability? (no it only lasts 3 secs if spammed)

is it stronger than 5 secs of block (no it only has 3 secs)

does it allow you to get away? (no each only pushes you back abuot 200-250 range)

does it do much dmg (barely any… even in full zerk its only a couple/few hundred)

does it give long cripple? (no only like 1.5 seconds)

do other classes have both weapsets on cooldown for 3 secs of dodgign? (NOlol that would be so bad…..eventho we sacrifice all attacks if we spam it)

so there is nothing OP about the skill no matter HOW you look at it. there is no argument. to say this is op you would have to nerf dozens of block/invuln skills and other long evade skills like blur. they dont even have a drawback. b ut thieves lose all initiative if we go for a full 3 sec dodge. get real.

Yet another PvE thief yammering about things he has no clue about. This is literally why we can’t have nice things in GW2.

im a very good and experienced thief…actually.

in the sense of what disabling shot does. evades and gives cripple. thats it. nothing OP about it. people just want us to be easy bags…bunch of QQ babies.

so rather than deny my points…u just call nub. doing that is actually…nub. basically your only point is “nananana boo boo” ? c mon …come correct brah

ok if i prove im total warrior nub. and i do decently to well…. whats that say? if i can prove both. what would that suggest.

biased would be me being an expert warrior showing me killing clowns left n right then saying he is op. but me being a first timer….. on warrior anyway….and trying my hardest to show OPness….actually makes sense.

im pro thief….so if i were on thief saying thief is OP…that would be biased.

get it?

INTROP im total nub on warrior. the experience is known simple. i dont play warrior .

i just did a quick warrior spvp hotjoin. i saved the first video so it owuld not be me picking favorites. i actually died a few times this run but i also didnt run from 5v2s! i wanted to show the ability of warrior regardless of playskill/experience.

saving it now. will post in like 5-10

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

Pssssssssssssst this is PvP not WvW. If you have really played PvP long and on multiple characters you would’ve noticed PvP rank is account bound.

Also rank 13 is not high, that’s barely above Rabbit.

It seems to me as though you are either lying, or completely unqualified to run this “experiment”.

Edit: It is impossible to have a character with 13 rank in PvP and another character with 0 rank in PvP

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POINT! im a total warrior nub! so me playing a good thief and then 15 matches of spvp and crushin it…. that alone says warrior is set up so even nubs can play them on a competitive level.

so me showing a pic of a lvl 2 warrior with no rank in spvp….. DOES give validity that i dont play. i just found out from locuz picture i can show my pvp stats too! that would prove it again! theres no way you could say me showing a pic doesnt prove it. utter silliness. im sorry its beyond you

Can you google the meaning of word proof and provide it? because what is see your proof if shared rank 13 on spvp characters? And thats it? Have you ever said something that other people simply didnt believe because it sounded unreal?
I have to admit, i would believe guy like locuz more than you. At least he is making sense and he simply has other side of an argument. What you provide is some random babling

me = never played warrior before
me = not play much in spvp
me = good in wvw and duels
me = good in pve

so…. if I do very well with warrior ….. what does that say?

warrior might be OP! thats what. its set up so anyone can do well.

im a nub…………….rrrrrrrr ddddddddddddddhhhhhhhhh