My second or third match last Tuesday was against a 5 man guild team. Got bored of chills necro so I logged on my old school power wells Lich.
A DH and I contested far where they were triple-capping, lol. Then, after killing beast, 2 of their teammates ran back to help out.
It was 2v5 pretty much. DH laid his traps the same time as my wells followed by Chillblains and Reapers Mark
Our HP bar was running low so I resorted to Lich form and positioned myself to maximize piercing. Within seconds their entire team was wiped and heavy laughing ensued.
I laughed so hard tears began to drip.
It wasn’t an experienced team and we ended up winning as if our 5 soloQ were the pre-made.
Fast forward to this evening. I saw one member of that team sporting a red icon.
FML. My main account still stuck in emerald.
Last laugh on me :_(
Funny lich form used to be 30s and now it’s useless and replaced by Gravedigger.
I really don’t see a lot of GS power necros, I’m guessing all the aoe cc make them less viable
You guys make EU sound like a more civil community. Top team there seem like they are more mature by not participating in exploits. Wish I was in EU instead, lol.
Ended up alongside OP’s team a couple times so far this season. He has a deep understanding of the class he brings to matches and is a hustler with map rotations.
The few times I went against him, his teammates were absolute garbage. It’s sad that they belong to the same Emerald division as he does even when their skill sets are vastly apart. It’s even sadder when lesser-skilled people are in higher divisions.
Speed Starr has given me necromancer tips on this forum the past year and a half or so. He’s no lightweight.
It’s true though that one of the darkest era for us necros was during the reign of the hambow. The Reaper has improved our defenses against them and at the same time, they got nerfed even further.
Bunkerchrono and DS tempest are the two biggest thorns on our spine atm.
I know Helseth made this video almost 2 days ago but there’s been another exploit where people intentionally lose to lower their MMR. I don’t think this behavior was present at the time of this video. Luckily, I don’t think the exploiters have reached Sapphire
With the way the system is designed, not only do you have to worry about going against a 4man premade….
but also ending up with teammates that intentionally LOSE to lower their MMR at our expense.
Here is one example. I queued solo but the other 3 mesmers were teamed up. I literally saw one of them throw themselves at 3 opponents. Only me and the revenant had intent to win when we queued.
One thing is for sure. Top players in EU are nowhere near as GREEDY as NA. Just look at the difference in variety between the top 10 guilds from both regions.
The pvp community in EU is far more respectable.
EU teams actually…lose. I guess they are more competitive and relate-able. NA looks like a monopoly atm. And saying that the system is still new wont change anything because the pro league players have already taken the top spots.
I’m actually in NA and have never played in EU. But if did put a smile on my face seeing more than 2 teams on EU’s roster.
2. Once your MMR drops way way down from getting farmed, as a soloQer, you face another risk. This time, it’s getting teamed up with a 3man+ queue of bads… real bads… as in “I belong to a pve guild but wanna check out this cool new feature called leagues and I love skins” kinda bads.
Those are the absolute very worst. I’d honestly rather be teamed up with all pugs and go against a premade THAN be teamed up in a pve guild team and go against pvp pugs.
Think about it – most of the teams now are forced/artificially created to prevent being farmed and NOT because people in those teams really enjoy it.
Besides, if you really want team play, you can always vs other teams in custom arenas. AND it would have more candidates for tournaments. Maybe it would make tourneys even more exciting because it’s something you can’t normally queue for.
Since the majority of players are soloQuers. Why dont they serve the majority and just make premade teams split up or compete in their own private servers.
IMAGINE how happy that would make a lot of people…if soloQ came back.
There was a time when I disliked thieves, coz most were bad. But after all the nerfs, the most of the ones that continue playing it are pretty amazing. Won another soloQ match with a thief in team.
Pimsley was right though, that daredevil carry and all teams with a thief won in NA.
For extra level of frustration: queue solo as thief. Enjoy being reported for trolling simply because you play the class.
And, since nobody wants thieves on their team, most of them will be qing alone. Well done, Anet, well done /clap
P.S. i can’t believe they stealth nerfed thieves again, is not even on patch notes (steal requires target now, huge mobility and quite survivability nerf). How low can one get really….
Put your champ shadow title on so they’re not jerks to you. My first soloQ game had 2 thieves. I just reminded the thieves to decap like there’s no tomorrow. Luckily, everyone on team had champ x title on the class they were on so at least they knew what they were doing. I’m don’t put a lot of weight on titles but champ x titles are at least a good filter.
I decided to try a Settler’s Reaper for the funsies. Look at dat team healing…
Lol that’s insane healing! More than double my Tempest
You sir, should be banned from the necro forum for posting a Tempest screenie.
Running core necro marauder power wells d/w/staff atm. Diamond skin counters condi reaper chills so bad it’s kittened. Core necro could also survive against daredevils. Condi reaper does not. Annoying how scrub daredevils think they’re the kitten for easily countering condi reapers. Sorry mate, I never liked thieves in the first place.
But you see, the biggest flaw with them is that your test ele is AFK the whole time. In a real encounter, the ele would be moving and only a small portion of the 12 channeled Soul Spiral hits would land.
In real actual encounters, condi reapers struggle with diamond skin tempest.
And you know what, I’m ok with that.
However, I’m not ok with the OP of this thread posting ignorant fairy tale accusations about a class he knows very little about.
Posts like these are ridiculous because as a Reaper I can say exactly the SAME thing about Diamond Skin Auromancer Tempest – It’s literally like hitting a wall. Nothing I could do to drop its HP below 90% when running the Reaper build you are complaining about.
I could say the same thing again with Daredevils.
And yet again with Mallyx/shiro heralds.
That’s 3 counters, to me that says the build is fine.
You guys remember the 2 pvp test ladders? Those were Justin’s projects. No wonder we haven’t heard from anet on what exactly they will do with the data they’ve collected. At this point, my guess is probably nothing.
About thread topic, I’ve always been a power necro guy. I thought cele signet was kinda slow but I liked it because it helped put necros back on the map. I’d hate to say this on the pvp forum but I love having necro teammates. In soloQ gameplay, necros have been stacking well these days. When I saw my team had 3 necros, I swapped from engie.
Do you guys have luck with stacked necros when you soloQ?
Wait wait wait, so a Rev is having a problem with diamond skin? Finally diamond skin will get a change/nerf.
Can’t let Rev get shown up by something.
I think the OP was running a pure condi build (not sure what build or class) and had trouble with diamond skin and mallyx. He wanted to know the outcome if the 2 said builds would engage
Is Carrion a good alternative to Viper for the Mallyx/Shiro build?
I imagine carrion would work. Back in beta weekend two when mallyx was way more interesting, I played carrion glint/mallyx and I loved it. Because of the high health and perma protection it felt like a condi support build that the game had never seen since prenerfed spirit ranger (carrion and perma prot). I haven’t tried that setup sense and I don’t think it would work as well as the more offensive builds.
Now looking at the current viper build that we’re all bandwagoning to, I think shiro is the main reason it’s so strong. Most condi builds have crap mobility and can’t break stun like crazy so shiro holds it together very nicely.
Now the viper and wanderer amulets are amazing in the current meta because tempests don’t usually run full AoE cleanse builds (cleansing water and soldier runes) yet in favor of aurashare, meaning that the extra duration from expertise lets you kitten up someone’s day further if they’re unable to cleanse.
The thing is that most classes can’t play something glassy like vipers and still excel. Only rev and in theory chronomancer have the active defenses needed to pull off a hyper offensive condi build. The wanderers amulet is a little more generalizable, but necromancer is ironically the only class with the right trait synergies to make wanderer work better than viper since the precision backed with 0 power is wasted on most builds.
Necro main here as well!
I’ve always preferred Carrion over Celestial on my necro but the 2 exact builds discussed on this thread makes me really think twice about running Carrion chills. As you said, only Revs and Chrono could pull off a full condi build.
I agree that Shiro is the key denominator for Herald’s current dominance. Also, when one with nature is activated, viper Shiro delivers marauder physical damage along with a high condition output to synergize with Mallyx. The boon and condi duration boost doesn’t hurt either.
Although Carrion offers 26k hp, it doesn’t integrate with Shiro like viper does. It looks worse on paper but oddly, I’ve had more success soloQing with Carrion than I do with viper. I’ll give your old build a try in a set of matches for curiosity’s sake
The pvp shoutbow was a cousin of the warrior build used in wvw. I think it was NA’s Tarcis that made it meta. It was also the most unselfish build in the history of GW2 pvp where every utility is shared with teammates and elite skill dedicated to teammates
Been wondering about the same thing. No doubt Mallyx Shiro on Viper is powerful but the Tempest sustain is pretty darn incredible. Diamond skin, auras, cleansing shouts, water attunement are things not to be taken lightly.
It’s annoying getting stuck in these guild matches.
Earlier today we went against a 4 man guild team. Their 5th guildie ended up in our team. So guess what, the guy QUITS the match and leaves us outnumbered so he could give his guildies a free win.
today is the day of the condi reaper. Go sow the fields with your 10 seconds of chilling cancer.
I had the most sinister grin on my face on Nov 4 upon reading about Deathly Chill’s new damage over time trait. Posted a comment on one of the threads here that day about how “right” everything felt.
Ive only been queuing solo but organized teams of veteran and tourney pvpers should consider having a Reaper in their line-up.
Nothing wrong with spreading putrid love.
Your damage output screams Carrion all over the place.
For me, Reaper carrion chill is superior in every map except Khylo. I use my old skool power wells build there with staff d/w. Hehe. It’s unranked so I don’t mind. But come leagues, there’s no reason to not use your very best
Berserkers apparently OP now coz ppl allow themselves to get hit by gunflame. Who needs to dodge, LoS, pop protection against a skill so obvious when you can just complain on the forum.
The important thing to determine is how recent this screenie was taken.
Warrior rifle was bugged during one of the BW and I believe it was already fixed. When it was bugged, it was possible to hit someone in the 30K+ when buffed out in WVW.
I never found the rifle to be ideal in spvp though. Too unreliable and easy to avoid and counter.
Sad to see people kicking a dead horse that is the warrior.
Whats really annoying with soloQ teams sometimes is when no one goes to cap home and I w/ zero LF have to do it….only to be greeted with 2 incoming opponents. FML.
Guys, Carrion I feel is the best amulet because each stat reinforces the deathly chill reaper build. power, condi dmg, vitality – it’s almost too good to be true.
The chill buffs have been looking good in spvp. I run 3 necro builds in pvp now. Wish we had templates so I don’t have to use character slots. The two builds were cele signet and marauder reaper. Newest one is carrion deathly chill.
It’s not yet fully optimized because it’s something I quickly crafted but I’m pleased with its performance Qing Solo so far today.
THANK GOODNESS DRAGON HUNTERS ARE PERCEIVED AS OP
Maybe due to its high damage and low skill cap
But I have a feeling there will be soon lots of QQ threads on the PVP subforum about your build. It is crazy powerful but yet to be discovered by the masses.
Highly annoying condi daredevil counters the necro build you speak of. The scepter and staff are too slow. Plus the thieves just dodge everything. REALLY A PAIN the daredevils. I was happier when thieves were at the bottom of the barrel.
