Thieves and mesmers have been a pain to deal with post patch. What hasn’t changed is that having more than one Mesmer or thief in your team still sucks no matter how OP they are.
when we had 2 mesmer (including me) we just one shot everyone and nobody can do anything?…
I can’t answer your question because I wasn’t there.
But I’m glad that you are proud of one shotting people, probably out of stealth.
I wasn’t complaining about them being too OP, in fact just the opposite. Having more than one thief or Mesmer becomes a huge burden for the rest of team.
you can put 2 Ele’s, 2 Necro’s, 2 warriors or even 2 thieves in the same situation. & end result will be murder.
Lol, no. Thieves and mesmers are terrible when stacked in a team. It was that way pre patch and now.
Thieves and mesmers have been a pain to deal with post patch. What hasn’t changed is that having more than one Mesmer or thief in your team still sucks no matter how OP they are.
when we had 2 mesmer (including me) we just one shot everyone and nobody can do anything?…
I can’t answer your question because I wasn’t there.
But I’m glad that you are proud of one shotting people, probably out of stealth.
I wasn’t complaining about them being too OP, in fact just the opposite. Having more than one thief or Mesmer becomes a huge burden for the rest of team.
Thieves and mesmers have been a pain to deal with post patch. What hasn’t changed is that having more than one Mesmer or thief in your team still sucks no matter how OP they are.
1. Hotjoin is the perfect breeding ground for insults and verbal harassment regardless of class.
2. To make you feel better, I like rangers. I’d rather have 2 rangers on my team than 2 thieves or mesmers. I play a condi ranger and am very aggressive with capping/defending. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten any verbal harassment when on my ranger. I queue solo ranked tho.
3. When you graduate from hotjoin and queue solo in ranked/unranked, the ranger is one of the best classes to play.
The community manager said 3 or 4 days ago that they’re listening.
Yet still no reponse. To me that’s the equivalent of asking to speak to a supervisor and the attendant saying ‘sure!’ walk off, and never return.
Listening means taking data, having meetings, discussing things and making decisions on a company level. Your analogy is an unfair one. Getting a supervisor takes one person to get one person.
And even then, if you had a supervisor who had nothing to say because this affects company wide policy this supervisor wouldn’t be able to help you anyway.
Patience is a virtue. Governements and companies don’t work on the same time scale individuals do.
Mate, Colin could have said a number of things to calm things down like ’we’re looking into this’. He was on the forums commenting on ascended changes while completely ignoring their forum in an uproar.
Even Gaile could have returned with a status update. This isn’t the 19th century. We can communicate from pretty much everywhere. Saying they’re too busy to even acknowledge from someone with some clout, or keep us up to date simply holds no water.
Good chance this is nothing more than a well disguised troll post.
My problem is the lack of communication and feedback from Anet. When it comes to launching a product of this magnitude, it’s not a good idea to keep your prospective customers in the dark ESPECIALLY when they are alarmed/concerned.
I think the pricing structure is a complete mess and not well thought of. It would be less offensive if it was something like $50 upgrade for long time supporters and $60 for the bundle.
take a hammer. shoutbow only has one stunbreak. give him a sit down.
Hello.
Yes the hammer cc chains are still a pain to go against. Before the popularity of the current shoutbow build, the last time I had fun with my warrior was with 100blades in 10v10 hotjoin zergs in 2012. I didn’t participate in the hambow bandwagon before the adrenaline nerf so I’m totally noob on what the hammer build is.
You seem to know a lot about warriors and pvp in general according to your forum posts. How many warrior builds do you currently run ATM in pvp? What was the standard hambow build and is it still effective?
What tips do you veteran warriors have when going against another one? I think banner shoutbows offer the best team support so I get a sense of relief when there’s one on the team (I solo queue ranked)
When I’m on my warrior, the fights usually take place on a point and seem to take forever if neither of us get any assistance.
Would appreciate the skill rotations and other strategies you guys execute against another warrior.
most thieves are bad and it’s not rare to see mesmers outsmart them.
thanks to ele and warrior cleansing, condi builds are played much less.
mesmers counter:
shout warriors – meta
dps guards – meta
power necros
power rangers
cele rifle engie – meta
turret engie
d/d ele – meta
fresh air ele
staff ele
mesmers arent the best at holding points and their mobility is crap. but the poor mobility is somewhat compensated by their portal.
I used to queue with a good thief and together we’d prevent anyone from reaching our points held by downing them in less than 5 sec.
If a mesmer “outsmarts” a thief the thief has to be soooo much worse, so this really is not a legit thing.
I don’t know if you are talking about 1v1 here but mesmer actually counters few of the classes you mention. Power ranger and guardian are actually really annoying vs mesmer. Tell me if i misunderstood your post, but if not, it is full of misconceptions. ^^
You are entitled to your opinion even if it’s wrong. Since you’ve mentioned 1v1, mesmers have always been apex predators in 1v1 and it hasn’t changed. Thieves are the only thorn on our side. Another counter is condi trap ranger but who plays that. If you lose to power rangers and dps guardians, I don’t know what to say.
I dont think you misunderstood my post, but perhaps you misunderstood your profession.
You shouldn’t be attacking someone’s knowledge of the class if you think trap ranger is a counter – its probably the weakest ranger variant for us to fight (pssst clones set off traps).
Ugh, I cited condi trap due to its extreme rarity and I have melted mesmers with it but it’s a troll build more than anything else.
If you read his response, he was first to say that my post was full of misconceptions. His opinion needed correction because it was false and misleading. I play multi classes and dont recall ever having an issue against power rangers or dps guards when on my mesmer.
most thieves are bad and it’s not rare to see mesmers outsmart them.
thanks to ele and warrior cleansing, condi builds are played much less.
mesmers counter:
shout warriors – meta
dps guards – meta
power necros
power rangers
cele rifle engie – meta
turret engie
d/d ele – meta
fresh air ele
staff ele
mesmers arent the best at holding points and their mobility is crap. but the poor mobility is somewhat compensated by their portal.
I used to queue with a good thief and together we’d prevent anyone from reaching our points held by downing them in less than 5 sec.
If a mesmer “outsmarts” a thief the thief has to be soooo much worse, so this really is not a legit thing.
I don’t know if you are talking about 1v1 here but mesmer actually counters few of the classes you mention. Power ranger and guardian are actually really annoying vs mesmer. Tell me if i misunderstood your post, but if not, it is full of misconceptions. ^^
You are entitled to your opinion even if it’s wrong. Since you’ve mentioned 1v1, mesmers have always been apex predators in 1v1 and it hasn’t changed. Thieves are the only thorn on our side. Another counter is condi trap ranger but who plays that. If you lose to power rangers and dps guardians, I don’t know what to say.
I dont think you misunderstood my post, but perhaps you misunderstood your profession.
I. Higher skill cap required which means that they are either good or pretty worthless
II. Good synergy working together
III. Two stealthiest profession
IV. Two most annoying profession to go against
and my favorite:
V. Absolutely crappy for you if either one of these are stacked in your team
The class with the lowest “good” players in thief. There are tons that are decent at fighting, but most have zero clue about the role of a thief on the team.
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. There’s 1 good thief out of 129 yet so many “attempt” to play it.
Engineers could be an NA thing. I’m by the bank and count 6 champion genius titles on my map.
Hmm I guess to maximize pvp interaction, have all 5 teammates defend and deny them from killing lord. You win thru player kills till time run out. IDK just thinking of ways to make this more interesting.
I got on my trap condi ranger and had fun defending. I didn’t enjoy rushing their lord that much tho.
When I was a total noob a couple hours ago, I predicted defense would make this mode more exciting. I’ve been on matches that lasted 2-3 minutes. Those weren’t fun at all. Doesn’t matter if we won because there were little interaction with opponents.
Hmm I guess to maximize pvp interaction, have all 5 teammates defend and deny them from killing lord. You win thru player kills till time run out. IDK just thinking of ways to make this more interesting.
I got on my trap condi ranger and had fun defending. I didn’t enjoy rushing their lord that much tho.
Played 2 rounds for the first time. Luckily, my teammates knew what they were doing and were helpful giving directions. The first game had a fair amount of pvp combat. Second game I just followed the team to rush lord. I don’t think I’ve encountered any of the opposition.
I know this is the only expansion for pvp but I was wondering if you guys can include Capricorn again, minus the water combat. Or turn it to a TDM.
You guys used to introduce new pvp maps more often i.e. temple, spirit watch, skyhammer, courtyard. It would be awesome if we got more than this map.
Powermancers have little sustain, limited stun breakers and at best, a bigger threat downed than otherwise. That doesn’t seem like a viable, long term build. And in matches with more advanced players, it usually gets focused like there’s no tomorrow.
The build is kept barely alive through CoD, CtD and sigils. Without these, it’s absolutely worthless.
They had the opportunity to make the game’s spvp more popular if an esports mode was introduced on release. The population then was healthy enough to create a viral effect. Instead, you had to pay a premium to participate at the most competitive level in-game (similar to ranked)
I really like the pvp mechanics of the game. But as ArrDee pointed out, it’s saddening when they do stuff like permanently cripple one of the main builds of a profession i.e. turret engie. The engie build I play has constant mobility and main damage skills with very short CD. The turret build lack those properties and is easily countered. Why the brutal nerf to something that’s been untouched since release when whiners could have learned to counter instead.
When i play thief and i get a 2nd thief in my team its a joy, we basicly become best buddies and 2vs1 anything we find across the map.
Very few classes can have a chance against 2 d/p zerkers…
Now that’s EXACTLY what I do, and that’s what GOOD thieves will do.
I think the OP was just miffed by bad players IMO.
I REST MY CASE. Using your scenario:
The two thieves are ganking an opponent off point meanwhile your teammates are fighting outnumbered on points. Then when they die, time is wasted on spawn and the remaining ones alive gets zerged and eventually points held are lost.
There’s not much you can contribute in a team fight because you are amongst the first to get downed. I’m not discounting the value of a good thief as they do well decapping far and keeping mesmers in check. But I think you are being dishonest with yourself if you feel 2 or more is good for your team.
Haha same. I got to r80 before buffs/potions/event bonuses ever existed.
When courtyard came out people would follow/join the team I was in because our ranks were visible. What sucked about that was I couldn’t try out weird builds, even in hotjoin, because there was a certain level of expectation people had from r80s. At least that’s what I felt.
Now, it feels quite meaningless to me and often use the deer or dolyak finisher just ’cuz.
well I just ask map chat for a party if I’m really concerned about anything PvP… that’s all you have to do, put a little work in to get a decent return.
I’ve had way better luck from anet’s “flawed” matchmaking system than I have from mapchat pug teams. It’s hard for people to extract anything useful from the forums because it’s full of bad information.
If you saw a surge in 2-3 man premades, then there’s a likely chance that you’ll also be teamed up with them. A lot of the newer premades I’ve encountered were bad. As long as your solo team understands map rotations and your not stacked with thieves, you should do fine.
To blame the profession when it’s clearly the player the one at fault, a team of noobs will lose regardless of what they play
Yes I blame the profession especially if it’s stacked, like thieves. I don’t know what tier you play at but I queue solo and have many times fought along and against tarcis, toker, backpack, oe, caed, acandis when they 2-3 party queue.
In higher tiers where you get matches that are tighter and closer, 2 thieves = liability.
Plural, more than one thief in my team. It usually ends in a loss unless the other team has a similar amount. I’ve had more success with other classes stacking but thieves always end up in a loss.
This is for ranked solo queue. And what bothers me is that a lot of thieves haven’t realized that having more than one in the team is a liability. And that they hardly ever bother to swap.
This sounds like a person I was teamed up against earlier. In soloQ comp really isn’t that important in my experience. If there’s another of my class or 3 of my class I really don’t care. If you play a better strategy like not sitting on home all match you can still win.
There are people that queue solo ranked who are like me and swap to improve our chances of winning. I specifically mentioned swapping out of multiple thieves/mesmers/necros/rangers.
I’m thankful when my teammates swap because the act itself is an indication they care and are team oriented. We end up having a greater likelihood of winning
I dont know what classes you play but a lot of people are just like you. And if you think comp isn’t important in ranked, I won’t argue and just let you linger in your ignorance.
No doubt power rangers live up to their name unlike power necros. At the start of a match, if the power necro is forced to take home coz no one in the team would, if he is rushed by a power ranger, the necro has very little defense from getting downed in a few seconds.
I rolled a condi ranger to counter the power build. It’s brings me satisfaction seeing them run around like chickens with their heads cut-off in panic of the hard DOT hitting them.
I hate the bad sport quitters that afk during the match. I think it much more rude than some one rage quitting because their presence displays what a piece of garbage they are for being there and not contributing
I don’t have a problem with celestial. I use it on warrior and engie but use zerk on ele, necro, guard and mesmer. Zerk mesmer, zerk guard and rabid ranger is fine for countering the celestials. I think it’s fine where it is.
fix bad matchmaking (2 or more of the same profession)
I do. I always do. And I thank the ones who do as well. It’s highly likely that your solo queued ranked match will end up winning if the players care enough to swap characters.
While I try to think positive even if my team consist of having 3 thieves or mesmers or rangers or necros and no one is willing to swap, the match almost always end up in the other team’s favor if their comp is more diverse.
Greetings, I fairly new to pvp but one thing that I have seen in 90% of my matches in Rangers go either Power ranger build or condition build with most of them being power which tend to kill the game. Next I run into D/D thieves which blow up anyone that inst a warrior or a thief. Then I get the H/Gs warrior just knock you up then knock you away and repeat. These are just the non magic based ones. The mezer 4v1s, the infinite health eles and the condition nerco. Why is it that none of this is even thought of as broken or over power and why Area net no doing anything about it. but instead buff them some evermore. Don’t they look at all these builds: http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki
I’m not trying to single him out. But when the matchmaking Gods decide it’s time for you to be on a losing streak, you usually end up with people like him.
People with:
- very little experience yet very big opinions
- misinformed views on the conquest mode
- absolutely no views on the conquest mode
- flashy pve gear and 34 minutes of pvp experience
- desire to earn dailies
- desire to farm rank points (worse than above. r80 for a year now and it’s still meaningless)
It’s anets fault for creating this matchmaking system. But it’s also people that shouldn’t be queuing where they know they’d be a burden.
I’m really just a scrub PVPer but I’ve been doing this since the days of 10v10 hotjoin zergs and paid tournament matches (because I have no life and live in my mom’s attic and should totally go out more and dont care about getting trolled;) rotations, mobility and point accumulation become 2nd nature.
And if people prioritized that over meta this meta that, they would contribute to the solo q pug team in a much more meaningful way.
Equip air fire sigils, don’t engage with 0 lifeforce all you really need to do is stay on point. watch for two things. Cleansing fire. And water attunement. As long as you can survive long enough to get him to pop cleansing fire and a water attunement as SOON as you see him swap to water immobilize him burst him and wait for cod, air fire to insta kill him. If he does manage to down you first if he doesn’t have mist form or armor of earth or arcane Sheild off cooldown he might get insta killed if you had him at close to half life.
I’ll give your strategy a try. I currently have rage and air on dagger/warhorn so I’ve been missing out on that extra fire dmg. The margin for error on a necro is so small relative to other classes. I guess my mistake is that I staff chill the ele right when it attunes to water but before using cleansing fire.
This is only from my experience – but 1v1, the ele would just use its amazing mobility to escape your lich form. That’s barely enough time to cap. And the ele usually returns with its kitten nal of heals, cleanses and burning attacks on low, very low cool downs.
That’s my default build. Lich works well in hotjoin or in team fights where you are hard to reach. But against an experienced ele, 1v1, they would just LF out of sight and return RTL in under 20 sec.
Even if my LF is full, it is still a huge struggle to get them downed due to their constant heals and cleanse. Unlike warriors, necros dont have a signet to help them sustain. DS 1 is hard to land and it takes too long to cast.
In theory, necro boon stripping and damage over time attacks should counter d/d eles but their air 1 attack/heals, fire 2 short CD, earth shield and water cleanses out pace everything the necro has. The same applies to power necro builds vs d/d eles.
I play multi classes but still have more love for the necro…even if I suck at it coz I can’t seem to deal with d/d eles on necro.
I’d love to hear how you guys deal with them and what necro build. Not sure what my MMR is but I queue solo and faced Tarcis’ premade twice today.
67yr old single white male here. Moved out of my moms basement last year. Now living on my own in her attic. I have no problems with teenage voice chat. A huge plus if they wear braces. A bigger plus if theyre in the early teens.
Coz yeah um that just shows they have passion for the game.
