Guild Wars 2

My guess is he would stealth, wait for stealth timer to end naturally on its own, do a little attacking, restealth, repeat.

Reveal only applies to you if you attack leaving stealth, if stealth ends on its own you may chain stealth.

Grenade and Flamethrower Engineers say Hi

I like the people who act like its impossible to have leaked notes of GW2 since the last big balance patch notes were leaked and turned out to be accurate lol

According to the wiki elixir infused bombs does scale with Healing Power. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Elixir-Infused_Bombs

You just need practice man, you can get plenty in hot join sPVP since thieves are rampant in there. Purposely be on opposing teams from thieves and fight them. They can definitely be countered, its to the point where I laugh at most thieves who attempt to kill my Engi.

Shanks R Us.2489:

Creld.8702:

A solution which would work for me, and anyone else who wanted to see their back piece more than show off, is just let the hobosack be hidden for the client. Serverside, you might look like a rich guy wearing a sack of doodie on his back, but, for the player behind the engineer, you’ll look like you have your actual amazing backpiece equipped.

It’s a dirty fix, but at least we could stare at the sparkles instead of the shiznibit. It’s also easy to implement, the server would just check if option x was on, then either send or don’t send the over-writing pack to the client, while everyone else still sees it so we aren’t OP in pvp (or whatever reason they contrived to tell us we must wear hobosacks).

My two cents.

People in games like these like to look pretty so they can show everyone else how pretty they are.

Lol sadly true. The only people who actually care about the packs in the first place and want them removed would not be satisfied by this.

I still REALLY would like to see some turret trait improvements. If no buffing of the HP/armor on the turrets, at least some merging of some fairly weak but expensive turret traits.

Maybe add some turret specialist trait that allows a further reduced CD on turrets when picked up to reward good placement and allow the turret Engi to maintain some bit of feeling that they can move around the map. (though honestly I think this should just be default and not apply to healing turret) or go the other way, normalize all turrets when picked up to have the same CD healing turret does when picked up which is 15s and does not make you feel stuck at all.

I just cannot understand long CDs like 35s still when picked up. It doesn’t even make sense, where did it go? I thought I picked it up? Now its somehow missing for 35s?

Lupanic.6502:

Manuhell.2759:

Hammerguard.9834:

Shanks R Us.2489:

Hammerguard.9834:

Everything is decent except for the ELIXIR R change. That skill is pretty bad now if it’s true. Full endurance with a 45 second cooldown… that’s it?

There’s also that little part about it resurrecting you.

That’s a separate skill that just happens to be bundled with ELIXIR R but ELIXIR R itself is no longer good if the change is true.

Also, the ressing effect is counterable in many different ways – knockback when the engineer is going to die, launch when he’s downed or simply dps him enough when he’s downed to give another one time enough to stomp. Or in the case of pets/minions, you may even be able to stomp directly.

And we shouldn’t have bad utilities just because we’ve got toolbelt skills too. They’re our profession mechanic. A sort of additional utilities, not something that must be added to our utilities to be on par of others. It would be like nerfing warriors’ weapon skills because they have a burst skill related to the weapon.

I do not understand why they pick our strongest skills and nerf them one by one. They buff only complete unused stuff. I understand that they want to make more builds playable, but I do not understand why this must happen by nerfing all used stuff to the ground.

lol, a bit over dramatic there. There are a lot of really great buffs in this upcoming patch, and not to just useless stuff. Acidic coating looks promising, Stabilizes Armor change is epic, Shield block not cancelling on hit is awesome, super short CDs on battering ram, stun breaker added to super speed TB for slick shoes is sweet. Plenty more too…the changes to the Firearms line and Flamethrower traits look sexy, etc.

Elixir R was probably the strongest stun breaker in the game. A stun breaker that also 100% refills your endurance AND has condition cleansing AND can self or team mate rez.

Most profession’s ally res utility is a signet, with a kittenty passive and a LONG CD with no other special effects.

Stabilized Armor change looks awesome. -20% damage while knocked down or stunned. Add Protection Injection on top of that, you’re looking at -53% damage when stunned or knocked down. That’s gonna be HUGE for big WvW fighting.

Aristio.2784:

Won’t believe it until the official notes are out. Been here long enough to never believe “leaked notes.”

If true however, I’m disappointed that Elixir Gun’s toolbelt skill isn’t a Stun Breaker. Since Kit Engineers don’t have any.

Ya, was disappointed to see no stun break for kit Engi as well…I usually run 3 kit.

Leaked notes on reddit in the other update thread, ruins the game haha

Grackleflint.4956:

Rumble is the Thumper Turret tool belt skill.

Ahh, the Wiki still shows it as “Shockwave” and I don’t use the turret since it isn’t ranged.

Tobey.4836:

Whats Rumble ? Is that the new rocket boots tool belt ? If yes, then i would really consider using rocket boot. Stun break + stability + a leap would be so nice.

Edit: Elixir R no longer a stunbreak ? Thats pretty kittenty.

I too was curious about Rumble. Would be cool if it is as you’re guestimating.

Manuhell.2759:

No nerfs on grenades, hgh and cleansing formula? Heh, must be fake.
Albeit, at least some of those changes would actually make sense.

They did say they were trying to buff stuff not so much nerf things.

I am surprised though, ANOTHER reason to run elixirs now. Acidic elixirs now removes a boon…

Super Speed being a stun breaker is very interesting though.

I think we all feel that way bc there was no mention of any positive Engineer changes….and due to history and it repeating and all that.

I am trying to remain optomistic though as we do have MANY completely trash traits.

Due to the specific talks of trying to give all build varieties a stun break option, I am curious if we will get some kind of new trait that allows kit engis to stun break.

There better FINALLY be some significant turret buffs, especially to the armor/hp. Feline/bird ranger pets being harder to kill is ridiculous and silly and its not funny anymore.

We need some kind of turret specialization trait that allows further reduced CDs on picking up turrets as well, so we can maintain the ability to move around the map without putting a turret on a 35s cooldown.

That said, I fully expect some nerfs to the popular HGH elixir builds. It is just too much reward for little effort.

Looks like my thief may be returning to Condi spec post patch…the bleed builds were already ridiculous in small scale PVP, I can’t even imagine how much kitten will take place with this added.

There really is no best build, and to try to just give you one with no direction would be challenging.

Rather than just throw builds I like at you, can you tell us what it is you intend to primarily be doing in WvW and what role you would like to fulfill?

For example, I do either mostly solo roaming, 10-15man WvW groups or GvG. So I tend to run a CC/support/condition bomb build with P/S. I can do a lot of blasts for group healing while supplying a lot of AOE control, conditions, heals, condi removal, etc. When its solo roaming time all I really do to change is swap in pistol OH instead of the shield.

Can’t wait for the vids to go up.

I did check out the brackets though and noticed not all professions had to fight others.

Engineers didn’t have to fight Necros. Would like to see how that matchup would have gone, I think Necros are one of the professions with tools to best deal with Engineers.

This video should help you love shield.

Oh this thread was started by a warrior….this is a joke then right?

Warrior complaining about Thief damage? Makes me kittenin lol. Warrior still does more burst damage than anyone else. Kill shot anyone? Greatsword DPS? C’mon, you can’t be serious crying about damage when you’re the highest damage profession in the game with the highest base defense and highest base HP.

Unless you’re really, really bad.

Nickeloneon.8714:

TheOneNOnlyGeneralBama.9586:

Scoobaniec.9561:

eldain look at my post again..ahaha xd i dindt said what u quoted.

Read a few posts lately , and apparently the quote system needs a nerfing. Hopefully somone will get around to creating a post pertaining to this soon.

NeRF Teef forum. They 2 OP. it’s make me QQ moar!,!!!! I deserve win not died. No need practice only be happy kill ez players. Ewwww teef need inteligence to kill. I No smart so i no like game cuz i cnt beat gooder players. nerf teef then nerfz thief forum so they no cnt fight back cuz too hard if ppl fight bak makez em OP and not so ez preys.

This.

The whole “conditions are easily removed in pvp” thing is really blown out of proportion by fans of direct damage builds. Condition builds are absolutely not weak or inferior in this game.

If you end up going D/D with conditions, P/D is a great compliment to that and one of the best 1v1 and small scale PVP builds there is probably when you combine D/D and P/D with condition damage and lots of stealth.

If you just want to have some fun on your thief in PVP I would actually highly recommend this route and take the Carrion amulet. Start with P/D and focus on landing those cloak and daggers, be patient, have fun bleeding people to death while you spend 80% of the fight in stealth. This is the most user friendly Thief build in my opinion and the least difficult to play and succeed with.

Travlane.5948:

rogerwilko.6895:

Faeyd.5094:

Engineer can’t beat a thief? This is a bad spec issue or L2P. Engineer instruction video (last two fights, not the ranger ones):

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Caed-S-D-Semi-and-Finals-1v1-tournament/first#post2217083

lol you kidding, right?

go WvW on engi on t1 -> t3 and let me know how many thieves you Own))

“L2p” lol elitists.

t1 1 v 1 players are actually the most horrid ive ever seen. t2 are decent/good some of the best were t3. prolly bc the zerg mentality from higher pvp pops.

Would not shock me at all. I know when we recently faced Dragonbrand I felt like they had more skilled roamers/small parties than SoR or BG.

rogerwilko.6895:

Faeyd.5094:

Engineer can’t beat a thief? This is a bad spec issue or L2P. Engineer instruction video (last two fights, not the ranger ones):

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Caed-S-D-Semi-and-Finals-1v1-tournament/first#post2217083

lol you kidding, right?

go WvW on engi on t1 -> t3 and let me know how many thieves you Own))

“L2p” lol elitists.

I WvW in T1 and I own thieves constantly.

It probably is L2P if you have the attitude that Thieves just destroy Engineers. A good Engi is one of the hardest targets for a Thief, we have a LOT of tools to avoid damage, large AOE attacks, strong CC, etc.

Stramatus.5219:

Thieves really are a troll class in GW2 when it comes to WvW. The fact that I can go in a group with 3 or 4 other guildies and a thief wipes out 3 or 4 of us is pretty bad. And I admit I am not the best at PvP/WvW, but still 1 thief wiping out 3-4 people? Avoid thieves as best you can. Honestly, I’d be fine if I didn’t have to retarget them every time they exit stealth.

If you are running a group of 4-5 people and a thief comes and wipes out 3 or 4 of you, that just means you all need to learn how to PVP on your professions better. GW2’s combat system rewards skill and that sounds like a kitten good thief vs 5 bad players or lowbies. Thieves should not suffer additional nerfs just bc they have the potential to really wreck bad players.

kishter.9578:

Waffler.1257:

I’m not sure what build you’re going for but those stats seem pretty terrible and I’m not sure how you managed them. The attached pic shows the stats of one BM ranger variant I use in sPvP which has 100 more attack, 150 more healing power, 300 more condition damage, and 500 more armor than your ranger. The crit chance and life is a little lower, but not near enough to make up for what you’re missing. Not to mention these are sPvP stats, so you can stack more stats with PvE gear especially with the availability of ascended gear and infusions. Moreover, you can get 25 stacks from weapon modifiers giving you another +250 stats and you can get another +260ish stats from using food buffs. All of this however is irrelevant as you said you were surprised by the thief, in which case yeah, if you aren’t paying attention then you will get hit for lots of damage by thieves. You have 2 dodge rolls (more if you run energy sigils), an evade on your short bow, more evades on a sword or gs or dagger, and lightning reflexes for yet another evade. Thieves are one of the easiest classes to take out as a ranger, so by all means try to get better.

Velron.3729:

Are you sub 80? Full toughness armor and that’s your defense rating? I don’t even run full primary toughness stat armor and have like 3100 armor on my Engineer (which is also a medium armor profession).

running a full Apothecary gear set, trinkets, armor, weapon, everything. also my weapon boots wast up yet since i was just joining the WvW, and i think i wants using food yet ether

and yea its time to find what im doing wrong, i have a feeling long time ago something is no right in my build.

edit: some modifications and now this is my stats.

Hey man the stats look much improved.

With that much armor and that much healing power you should be able to tank through almost any thieve’s damage really. Will just be a matter of learning how to play it to its strengths.

A lot of beating thieves though really comes down to making them miss really important attacks (cloak and daggers for example)or knocking them out of their refuge, etc.

D/P will be the hardest to finish off bc they have the easy stealth and get away combo, but them actually killing you should be extremely difficult as well. It uses a ton of initiative to put down that smoke screen, just move away from it, force them to blow a couple of those for stealths and they will be waiting on initiative to do anything more. When they go stealth you should be moving around quickly, dodging, blocking, etc…if you can avoid the backstab until they reveal that can really mess up the game plan. Especially if you’ve already made them blow most of their initiative.

The amount of healing power you have should allow you to significantly recover from any damage they actually do land on you while exposed. D/P really relies on you not being able to recover the damage between the bursts, there’s a lot of in stealth time where the enemy can easily be healing up if they have the ability to do so.

Oh and if you have AOEs you can be dropping around yourself, this is a big issues for them as well. I’m usually running bombs on my Engi, funny how badly those mess them up.

kishter.9578:

full toughness armor, and i got surprised by this thief, dont even have time to WT happen? compare my damage, and hes damage.

Are you sub 80? Full toughness armor and that’s your defense rating? I don’t even run full primary toughness stat armor and have like 3100 armor on my Engineer (which is also a medium armor profession).

Well played by the Engi, grats on the win.

I actually thought Caed didn’t play S/D effectively to win. I really just saw a ton of dodge rolling, evading, using #2 to get in and out, and only spamming #3 for damage.

I don’t think I saw a single Cloak and Dagger attempt in there, which could really have helped a lot. It buys you time for your heal when you need it or the ability to get conditions off you with the #2 while stealthed. It also allows you to daze the opponent, which is huge obviously.

Too reliant on spamming #3. Could have tried some interesting stuff like Dazing the Engi then quickly blow up that rocket turret which would take 1.5 seconds max, then get another Cloak and Dagger, recover, engage on your terms without the rockets shooting you.

That’s fine, I don’t really spam. But I don’t play D/D or D/P.

This has nothing to do with being able to just spam your powerful ability until it lands with no regards to if the opponent is blocking, has aegis, is invuln, is dodging, etc…it rewards a low skill level of play. Anet said they want an esport – this crap has no place in an esport.

It would be different if they added an initiative cost to the stealth attack ability, so spamming it at least cost you initiative.

I have fought a lot of them lately as S/D….P/D is what I ran when I first leveled my thief though. Its definitely the easiest to play for a beginner to thief, and I just wanted to troll some people after watching videos lol.

Since I know how they work and what screws them over though, I know how to fight them pretty well and S/D has the tools to do it. The constant evading means they are liking to miss many Cloak and Dagger attempts if you are good with your evade and don’t just spam it.

The #2 basically is a free clense to keep the bleed off you.

Typically most of them are only really stacking bleed, meaning you only have one real condition to cleanse. You should be using your 2 to engage and disengage anyway, so one condition is no problem.

If they do run poison as well (I did), You can easily cleanse both with your #2, get a stealth, and open up on them.

It wont be too hard for them to run away if they want….as it wouldn’t be hard for you to run away either, actually dying is the thief’s choice pretty much. Over commit for the kill, you risk actually dying. Best way to actually get the kill though is once they are to about half and actually going to try to be defensive, save all your initiative and just Cloak and Dagger then stealth opener Daze attack, auto attack chain them, their first attack will miss from blind, Cloak and Dagger then daze again. Repeat until downed or out of melee range. (I run quite a bit of initiative regen).

Zumy.6318:

Warrior properly used facerolls any thief.

I wouldn’t say facerolls…but I have definitely fought some kitten good Warriors on my Thief who gave me some trouble. Pretty rare though, most of them just get killed pretty easily.

Yeah, we know how it works Shemsu lol.

Some of us just feel that it is a crappy mechanic that rewards poor play and spamming abilities.

Oh yeah, the same thing goes for Warriors and their burst skill.

They use it, if it misses it gets a short CD but no adrenaline is dumped allowing the full burst ability to be tried again seconds later.

Again, this is a safety net mechanic and has no place in PVP that’s supposed to reward skillful play.

Yeah been noticing this too. I still run SB as my OH set, but its mostly for the cluster bomb (blast finisher for team combos) or the ability to infiltrator arrow out of immobilizes, etc

Embrace it!

I just /laugh every time I gank someone to increase the hatred.

I also take breaks in the middle of trolling groups of enemies to /laugh while in stealth.

Likewise when thief tries to gank my Engi and can’t I /laugh to taunt them into making mistakes. No one likes to let someone live who is /laughing at them. Makes them over commit.

Erzian.5218:

Stealth should end and “revealed” should be applied if one of your attacks gets blocked or evaded, maybe even if you just miss an attack.
Why? Because players should be rewarded for dodging or blocking the stealth attack skill as it is with any other attack skill. On the other hand players should be punished for failing their backstab etc.
If you miss fire grab on your ele it is on cooldown and this should be the same with stealth. Yes thief attack skills generally have no cd but revealed should act as something similar for stealth attack skills.

This brings up an excellent point.

I’ve just started playing my thief more lately and this is one of those things that makes me laugh. I can be in stealth trying to use my stealth opener on someone, it gets blocked, I stay in stealth and am able to basically SPAM the stealth attack until it actually lands – or my stealth ends due to timer.

That is some real easy-mode stuff that should be changed. A failed stealth attack should remove your stealth and give you the stealth debuff.

Guardian actually has a 1200 range teleport. LULZ

There is no doubt we have trait issues. You mentioned turrets, so I will use the turret traits as an example.

There’s a t2 turret trait in Explosives
There’s a t2 turret trait in Tools
There’s a t1, t2, and t3 turret trait in Inventions.

Impossible to even spec for all of them if you wanted an all out turret build.

Some of these traits are weak as hell too, especially for how crappy and weak turrets are. Literally one Mesmer GS phantasm and its gone.

A t2 trait just to make them ground targeted? Lolz

A t2 trait that gives them regen, regen that only ticks for like 700, while they have the armor of a naked mage. Maybe if 30% dmg reduction and regen were together in one trait it might not be laughable.

However, the balance patch at the end of the month is supposed to specifically deal with a lot of these spread out useless traits, combining, tweaking, etc…so I’m going to wait and see what the end of June brings before I start asking for further changes/fixes.

I’ve just converted over to S/D recently and been practicing my kitten off in sPVP. Just got my gear for WvW and already had a blast tonight with it. Great video!

It felt really awkward at first when I started using the set, but man…I feel like its really got crazy potential now. Its pretty ridiculous. In just a few days, what I’m able to pull off is getting pretty crazy. Too much fun haha.

I just started playing S/D quite a bit a few days ago, loving it so far, and I either haven’t run into any good mesmers…or this is a great mesmer killing setup. You gotta change things up depending on the situation though…for some mesmers what I end up doing is chain cloak and dagger off clones and wait for opportunities to daze and then do some burst, cloak n dagger, daze again before they get a heal off, repeat it until they die.

judgement.9842:

lotus, thanks for the assistants on that. constructive

Don’t be a kitten. All you did was say “I’m not getting many badges, anyone else?” And he said “I’m getting plenty here”.

He answered your question.

I too get plenty of badges and I run a support bomb build like the first response – except I’m not afraid to charge into the zerg dropping bombs.

FT is also up close – if you want lots of bags with the FT you probably need to be tanky enough to be a front line pusher.

Lol @ all this they are the “real” PVP players.

tPVP is more about moving between points to create the 3v2 in your favor than it is about actual PVP.

Open field WvW fighting is more PVP than tPVP ever will be until it gets a mode other than conquest borefest.

Yeah, really good resource if we can get a lot more NA guilds on there. My guild is already setup.

An official GvG thing would be sweet, instead of having to set it up ourselves and waste queue slots in the borderlands. (lol who am I kidding we were outmanned during ours)

Please remove the AOE cap, it definitely empowers the mindless zerg.

Yes I call it tactics to AOE choke points.

I also call it tactics to have your ORGANIZED zerg put up stability and double dodge right through it all and plow into the tower/whatever.

Am I the only one who doesn’t like HGH builds? I feel naked without at least 2 kits, making them pretty awful for me to use every time I try. I always end up in some situation where the extra kit could have saved me or allowed me to pull off something awesome. For example, yesterday I was soloing a supply camp and ended up getting jumped. I was able to elixir gun blast myself away, gear shield block, run up a hill…drop smoke bomb, detonate my shield for stealth, then run directly through the 10 people chasing me and into the water. Wish I recorded it

I also feel like not running healing turret, especially in team WvW, is really a no go for me…it brings way too much to team fights.

To directly answer, yes there are definitely non-HGH viable builds. Whoever said Engi are pigeon holed currently is silly – we probably have more viable build diversity than most other professions.

Thanks man, here’s a link to the build I was running and all the gear.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIq6ZH5yuF1LJxoCdO0D8bY1KSR+1/nCyF-jUDBIMIINBkCEh8AgKAMHqIasVTFRjVPDRzAThKyqVo6YAeFTrWIgFzBA-w

Sigil stacks were corruption – though my guild had voted for running no stacking sigils (just to avoid the several minutes it takes to rebuild them after each fight).

We had 8 matches, my guild won them all. Pro did a great job of getting better and better every match though. Each time they tried different stuff and gave us a harder fight. Here’s a couple of the tougher ones from the later matches.

10v10 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWadBdNDOmQ

12v12 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfmN2zieh0

3 Kit Engineer POV

Dirame.8521:

Necro has burning……end of the world

I had this thought too

Seriously, almost every tier 2 and tier 3 tools trait is really bad.