Guild Wars 2

I’m curious if this is from sPVP or WvW.

Either way, there are just too many ways you can choose to build your Engi to be able to summarize how to counter one. The best thing you can do is make one and actually start doing PVP on it until you are pretty decent. By then you should know it well enough to counter it.

I haven’t had trouble with many thieves lately, the hardest ones have been really good Sword/D thieves using lots of mobility and dazing. I don’t use a boon build so the only real problem with the #3 spam is the evade.

I am cautiously optimistic. I does sound like they are going more for buffing or merging kittenty traits – rather than nerfing our good ones.

Looks like a burst condition build with sigils for the might on kit swap, perma swiftness/vigor combo, protection injection, and very high control options via the shield and flamethrower.

tool belt recharge at 25% health is for self rez with elixir r if going down.

Haha, well you can’t tweak stats nearly as much in sPVP sadly but I played with it there with a shaman amulet. Was absolutely ridiculous. Unload thieves killed themselves so many times on it. SO FUN!

I’m torn on using this with my WvW team/roam build though. I lose a decent bit of condition damage to get the rune…but I feel like the burn gets applied a lot more so its a toughy.

Nice, thanks! Looks really interesting, I’m gonna go mess around with stuff right now. I am actually curious about using it in one with more offensive stats as well.

I dunno how or why it did that Q: format.

Wiki link for rune.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Guardian

Ok I have done some searches and I don’t see there ever being a discussion on this rune.

This seems like one of the biggest DPS runes a Condition Engi who uses Tool kit could use.

I tested it last night in my condi/support bomb build, there is no internal cooldown on the rune triggering.

Every single block applies 1 second of burning. Multiple targets burn, burn can reapply to same target repeatedly, etc.

I tested this by having a bunch of wolves attack me and using Gear shield. Every wolf would burn, every attack it tried to make at me. This seems like the answer I’ve been looking for ever since I started using P/S again and lost my beloved Blowtorch.

Its perfect for my build as I am forced to choose between larger bomb radius and burn on crit usually. Now I just take larger bomb radius and let the blocking do the extra burn for me.

Elixir S has always been an evade not invulnerable. It has never stopped conditions from ticking. We just used to be able to cleanse while in S, now you better cleanse before popping it.

That was awesome! haha

I kittening love healing turret. I was a med kit user before the change, now I love that healing turret. 4 blast finishers = lots of healing.

Biggest thing I noticed is you saying you switch to EG and blast #4 before detonating. You might be just missing one of the blasts bc of launching yourself out. I always blow up the turret at the same time as double tapping shield #4 then EG and blast out.

Bomb kit gets you an extra easy blast also if you place it before dropping turret.

Med kits main heal is not classified as a “heal skill” – doesn’t trigger on heal effects when used either. It is considered a tool belt ability. Working as intended IMO.

Pretty cool video man! Made me want to go mess around with turrets today for fun.

Something like this is very effective for a more support build that still does a lot of condition damage. It is very effective, I am using it currently both in team fights, GvG, and solo roaming.

I change out burn on crit for larger bomb explosion radius depending on situation.

You could also swap sigil of corruption for sigil of life if you wanted even more support by boosting healing instead of damage. Which I am going to play with myself next time I do an all guild WvW night to see if the added healing is stronger than the added damage.

It would also be a very easy transition, I was running basically all rabid myself and simply swapped my jewelry over for Apothecary (which is cheap now!).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqelIq6ZH5yuF1LJxoCdO0D8bY1KSR+1/nCsF-j0yAIMEkWApFgkHgcYR0YrmFRjVPDpZwUrK16YAvyyqFCYxcA-w

Engi kicks kitten at WvW.

All PvE content is pretty easy – haven’t had any issues.

And you already know its awesome in sPvP. Do it!

Sometimes I do, blasting in a light field gives AOE retaliation.

Most of the time I use it in water fields for extra blast heals though. Depends on the fight/situation.

Sometimes I end up blasting in the light field also bc I’ll use Super Elixir for a quick drop for the heal + condition removal then quickly blast away to get distance.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/3-kit-Engi-team-fight-GvG-video

Check this out, I used P/P in this setup with great success. Both team fighting or roaming.

All this tread has done is shown how subpar it is. Now I really want some other elite options lol.

I wish the Asura racial golems didnt seem weaker than a stupid Ranger pet, just like Engi turrets. Why so shafted?

I really enjoyed the 3rd video, I run the same kits and was nice to see an even tankier way of building it and the potential. Looked fun!

Its definitely a strong elite, but as pointed out all you have to do to maintain control of the fight when it is dropped is move out of turret range.

In WvW its practically an AOE stun on a super long CD. Turrets blow up immediately and as stated the bandages aren’t so amazing when picked up by several different people.

Thanks, appreciate it!

Yeah I really do miss that extra blast from shield sometimes, but I love the blowtorch and glue shot abilities.

Oh yeah, well nothing really works in the 3way stonemist/garrison fights. Its just a kittenshow. I’m not gonna spec for those occasions, they aren’t even an enjoyable part of the game.

I have been digging Sigil of Geomancy so far today though.

Hmm one suggestion you made did get me thinking though.

I’m going to try out sigil of geomancy with this build instead of leeching. My sustain seems to be great – geomancy would allow me to stack AOE bleeds on people when I run in to drop bombs.

Woah. I wasn’t even looking for build advice, I’ve been slowly tweaking this over time – specifically for running with my guild. We will agree to disagree, I don’t like most of the suggestions.

For one, I am doing bleeding, confusion, poison, and burning – not just burning. Toughness is also over 1900 which works great with rune of unread. I also have food which puts me at 50% condition durations already – I can go for more, but sacrifice toughness and condi damage. Not a fan of that route.

I don’t need two protection traits, I already have one + multiple guardians usually. Again this is running with my 10-15 man guild groups. I have considered using this build roaming and having protection injection also – but I still feel the added regen would be stronger overall from backpack regenerator.

Crit rate? We don’t need a high crit rate – my condis don’t require crits to trigger.

Sigil is there bc its a 10g sigil that I’m not gonna replace every time I build swap – and I think its a strong sigil for my roaming builds. I may invest in more pistols for more sigil options. Maybe a healing one and heal stacking on kill – not sure bc I like my hybrid between strong condition damage and decent support/ heals. Over 1600 condi damage with food/stacks.

Med kit is extremely inferior to healing turret for coordinated team fighting – where is your ally support with it? Turret allows massive water field, AOE condi removal, AOE healing.

My AOE regens from tool belt for EG and heal turret tick for 226/sec and the bombs usually healing 211/sec. Together that’s 437 healing per second for my allies.

You mention the regen isn’t helping me much, I think all the videos I have say otherwise though – I have 17khp with very high armor + add in lots of passive, strong regen and that is a recipe for being super tanky (as long as your condi removal is good – which mine is). Backpack regen + regen + bombs heal = 600/second healing approximately, all the time.

I appreciate the thought behind the build advice. We just have strongly different preferences it seems.

I saw some people saying it was cool to see some team fights for a change on the Engineer as apposed to the usual roaming videos.

I just started using the Elixir gun I think one day before this clip, used to having Elixir S but giving the EG a whirl and really digging it. So if anyone sees where I can improve on making use of it, feel free to give advice.

Here’s the video…we had just capped center island then this big group of [Pro] jumped up on the island, started the recording a little late. They hit us and dropped one guy off the bat.

http://youtu.be/SRD5_jPnmmY

Hope you enjoy, audio is game sound + TS.

Edit: Here’s the build http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fcAQJAqalIq6ZH5yuF1LJxoCdO0jCjf1KSR+t8nCyF-j0CBIMIINBkCMIUIg5QFRjtaqIasaGYqVLqWHDwjAzrYR1CBsYOA-w

Don’t listen to anyone saying you need to play something else to solo roam. IMO we are one of the best solo roamers there are. There’s a lot more to being a roamer than just being able to leap forward.

Practice a bunch with the Elixir gun then, you can definitely use the leap in there to do this if you practice with it. It’s not as good as a forward leap but it does the job decently.

Well you asked what can you do or recommend a class.

We have no forward leaps, so there is nothing that can be done there.

Your own ways to really escape are by slowing down the enemies, box of nails, freeze nade, glue shot, glue bomb, BoB.

Our only leap is the elixir gun jump backward (rifle doesn’t count, delay lasts long enough that you can run the same distance). You can use that + slowing the enemy down to try to get away…but you will never be able to escape the zerg like a thief.

Engi is fun as hell. It is a profession that some could find difficult to play, not everyone has the same kind of finger dexterity. My roommate watches me play sometimes and he just says there is no way he could ever play Engi because of it.

If your main goal is to be able to always get away even when a zerg runs over top of you – just roll a thief.

Tool kit is pretty kitten awesome, the only skill that is lackluster is the auto attack due to super slow swing time.

^great post by Brimstone. A big part of being able to overcome a skilled person playing any profession is knowing what that profession can do.

Best way to learn to counter one, go make one and play it in sPVP until you don’t suck at it anymore.

Well I must say it was exciting to watch! lol

And I will definitely mess around with this for fun later

XelNigma.6315:

I would hold off on getting a legendary for the engi. Maybe find an alt you like then once you have them 80 and got a build you really like, get the legendary for them instead.

but if you HAVE to have one for the engi, pick the rifle, I cant tell you how much i hate the pistol skills. While the shield skills are great, it doesnt make up for how bad the main hand pistol is. SOOO much hate for them.

Really?? A long duration poison on a short CD and a bouncing blind/confusion on a short CD are bad?

There are some pretty good gear shields that look Engineer. Check the Charr cultural weapons. I have the t3 shield skin for when I use a shield.

The reworking of turrets and gadgets.

I don’t really have many other complaints, I love Engineer and think we are in a pretty good place overall.

Would def be Quip for me. I love the P/P set for fun-factor use and I find Quip to be one of the best weapons in the game for trolling PVP when killing people…if only it didn’t require so much PVE to acquire.

ATourist.8359:

How do you guys fare against other popular roamers such as thieves and mesmers? Also what can you contribute to a group, aoe and knockbacks?

As with any profession, only a really good thief or mesmer will be a challenge. If you are good you will make any profession that isn’t played well look awful.

I run mostly solo roaming, roaming with a few guildies, or a guild havoc squad of up to 15 people when I am in WvW.

Currently the build for the havoc squad is P/P, Heal turret, Bombs, Tool kit, Elixir gun, supply crate.

What do we bring?

AOE CC – mulitple AOE immobilizes, AOE launch, AOE blind, AOE stun, AOE cripple

AOE condi removal – healing turret overcharge, elixir gun fumigate

Massive water field – Healing turret water field lasts 3s and is monstrous, amazing for coordinated water field blasts for heals

AOE healing – bomb explosions heal allies, healing turret overcharge and all the subsequent blasts, tool belt abilities on both heal turret and elixir gun, super elixir.

AOE damage – burning, poison, bleeding, confusion – we do it all and we can do it AOE

I’m sure I’m missing some, and this is just what we can do with the specific build I run.

Fun to watch fights. I have a few ideas/suggestions/possibilities.

Did you try running this as P/P instead of P/S? Part of the issue to me looked like you were doing very low DPS to him overall, as well as he kept getting stability and being immune to the knockback/stun from shield.

Glue shot is unblockable and buys enough time to set up some good offense.

Blowtorch is some intense added DPS when you seemed to be lacking the ability to keep the burn on him very much.

Cooldowns are shorter and you don’t spend enough time not in kits to truly benefit from the little bit of toughness the shield gets you. All personal opinion here, I used to be a big fan of the shield too.

Sometimes offense is the weakness of a build, not its defense/ability to survive. I think the offhand Pistol could have pushed those fights in your favor (granted you are practiced with OH pistol, I know I sucked when I first started using it instead of shield).

Elixir S would probably be superior to Elixir R for this as well. I really don’t think Elixir R compares to S for 1v1s and smaller fights, I usually only run it in team builds for the ally revive.

I kind of want Quip just for the troll factor when killing people in WvW…however, there’s no way I’m ever doing that much boring PVE content to get one.

jakalofnaar.1702:

I hope we don’t get forced to play WvW just to get Ascended armour…..that would suck so much for us PvE’ers

Can’t help but LOLLLLL

You serious? Yeah, welcome to the world of being a PVPer. Always FORCED to do content you find extremely boring to try to get the gear so you can remain on even footing to the pve’ers.

Something this game promised for YEARS it would never do.

The healing turret is way stronger for WvW now than before, it is the opposite of nerfed.

The 3s water field that heals and cleanses conditions from allies is AMAZING in WvW. It is HUGE. Guildies are constantly tripping out on it now when we call for water fields during a fight and I lay down this monstrosity of a water field for us to blast in.

Actually, you can see the massive water fields in action in this video my guildie just made. The whole video is worth watching, tons of massively outnumbered fights but at 1:15 starts a really epic supply camp fight against enemies outnumbering us significantly + supervisor with the buff up. You can see my flipping around in the video but there are some definite spots where you can see the massive water fields being laid down and blasted in like crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p5g2JmjCoWA

Amadeus.5687:

@Velron I have found that bug as well, and after more testing I found out it happens if I’m “still in the air”, so like if an elementalist use Updraft, If I click the skill as soon as I get hit, It will play the entire knockdown animation, but if I first click it when I land, I will get up instant and out of stun! kinda wierd!

Pretty much what I have noticed as well, sucks when you use it to break another stun and some ele hits you with Updraft right as you try to break that one and you end up taking the full knockdown animation.

jerryfingers.6273:

Velron.3729:

Yeah, and people have caught on – the good ones…making me use the FT different when I use it. I just pull it out for the AOE blind, AOE knockback on short CD or the number 2 (which you can aim manually and blow up for 5k+ hits in groups of people). Pretty solid considering I only have 1850ish iirc power, 76% crit dmg.

For a flame throwers/burning based build, do you wanna go condition damage or power/crit?

If your goal is the burning then of course you want condition damage…I run a bit of a unique build for WvW bc in team fights I feel like conditions get cleansed way too much. Any condition damage I get is just bonus damage (although the combo of it is still pretty nasty when you’re also putting out good direct damage). My guild loves organized 5-20 man fights against big enemy groups or other organized teams.

Yeah, and people have caught on – the good ones…making me use the FT different when I use it. I just pull it out for the AOE blind, AOE knockback on short CD or the number 2 (which you can aim manually and blow up for 5k+ hits in groups of people). Pretty solid considering I only have 1850ish iirc power, 76% crit dmg.

Vargaz.1957:

pre apr 30, i just use a sorta tankcat build but bombs instead of pry bar. I dont know if its still viable after confusion/retaliation nerf but my strat againts thieves is dont look for them. let them chase you and just leave bombs while youre pretending to run away.

Prenerf they go down in 5sec coz those greedy idiots like to spam 222222222222 even with confusion on them to try to chase you down. PVT gear tho…dont face them like this with anything else coz their crits will hurt more than your confusion/retaliation.

Will probably still work, thieves kill themselves in spvp ALL the time to confusion spamming 2222222 and its the same damage there.

Amadeus.5687:

Oh yeah, don’t get me wrong! I think we will see a lot more S/D players now, because it’s quite the awesome combo! :O And you are for sure right about they are a hardcounter to HGH Engineers! Got a Thief m8 running around and testing it as well, and so far his feedback been quite good on it! But from what I have seen it looks quite balanced (ofc, my build dosn’t get hurt from it at all, because I pretty much only have my 5sec Swiftness and Vigor!)

Haha I am with you there, I’ve purposely avoided the elixir builds bc I found the play style boring compared to a kit heavy build. Now all the anti boon build stuff being added doesn’t affect me hardly at all, I too only have the swiftness and vigor 5s buffs.

(also, watched a roaming vid of yours – awesome stuff)

Not sure if the thread will get more dev attention at this point…

There is another Elixir S bug though, probably already known about though (I took a break for a while).

Sometimes when activating it to break a stun, if the stun was say some kind of knockdown…half the time I end up in Elixir S but still stuck unable to move or take any action, basically the opposite of what is intended when you use Elixir S.

I’m going to have to play with elixir r tomorrow, elixir S felt like my one weakness in my new build I’m playing with. A few times I popped it to break a stun and get away only to die to conditions inside it bc I couldn’t cleanse.

Kimbald.2697:

Velron.3729:

I have not once had my turret die before I could drop it, get the additional cleanse on the very first tick, then detonate it. (in WvW and tPVP)

skill lag in Wvw worries me since it’s 3 button presses to compute. Other than that I think it’s doable indeed, unless under extreme aoe.

There were some huge fights last night I sadly got sucked into (much prefer the smaller scale stuff) and I didn’t have any issues getting it to work…kit swapping is always my issue in the super skill delay lag.

I have not once had my turret die before I could drop it, get the additional cleanse on the very first tick, then detonate it. (in WvW and tPVP)