Guild Wars 2

My best setup for dealing with thieves so far is

P/S, Flamethrower, Tool kit, Elixir S, Supply Crate. I won’t go into detail into all the stats and such but these kits and weapons provide the skills to really avoid a LOT of their damage while setting them up to dish out yours.

Shield 4 is amazing for reflecting on unload or ranged thieves and does a good job of helping take out thieves guild.

Shield 5 is great, when you know they are coming in for a hit get it ready. When they try they will end up stunned, then you are free to easily apply your static shot for blind so their next attack misses as well, start unloading on them a bit.

Tool kit block is amazing and on a fairly short CD, use this wisely to block big unloads of damage.

Box of nails is even great here, drop it on the floor and run around if you’re fighting a melee burst thief.

Ranged thief? Now the pull into pry bar combo becomes awesome.

Flamethrower, now you can AOE blind them instantly, that attack misses. Honestly by now most thieves are struggling to be alive still.

Don’t forget at any time you could have supply dropped on them if you want to blow your ult.

When they try to shadow refuge, flamethrower AOE knockback pushes them out every time. Finish them off.

All the arguing aside…I did more tournaments tonight using the healing turret in my build, was working great again. Changes are good in my opinion.

Phil.6123:

Cleansing burst always removed conditions, it just did not say it in the text. Actually it use to remove all conditions, now it only removes two conditions. Also if you want to remove conditions use Elixir C. People who are liking the healing turret for the condition removal did not know that cleansing burst use to remove all conditions.

It removed all conditions, was VERY unreliable, and had a 60s cooldown.

The water field also was so short that it was not possible to drop, cleanse, detonate, and get the water field explosion.

The new combo can be done every 20 seconds. You can even pull off 2-3 blasts inside the field before its over.

aydenunited.5729:

In tPvP, it seems pretty good now… so much that I would say we can finally have some decent condition removal without having to take CF409.

I think this might actually open up a few more viable builds after people play with it for a few days.

Completely agree.

Another note is the water field being 3s is long enough to pull multiple blasts inside of it for more healing.

Honestly, I have been loving the new healing turret. I found it lackluster before bc the condition removal was not reliable whatsoever.

Now by double dropping it so the overcharge triggers right away then blowing it up you have a nice size heal on a 20s cooldown that removes 2 conditions and leaves a 3s water field.

I have been working on tourny builds for a while that avoid elixirs bc I find the play style of elixir builds very boring and prefer a kit heavy build. Running med kit has always been the weakness and I have to compensate by using sigil of purity, etc

Today I ran my usual build but swapped med kit for healing turret and had great success with it, definitely felt like it strengthened my build, not weakened it.

In WvW…forget about it, all our Engis will probably be using this now. Coordinated blasting inside the huge water field has been amazing already.

I have not posted since the notes about ascended gear, I had to sign in to let you know this was kittening awesome! I was laughing my kitten off!

You make me sad Anet.

My feedback is that you have betrayed your customers and fans. The new gear tier is ridiculous. What happened to the vision? You guys used to literally make fun of other MMO companies for their gear treadmills. Sigh.

Hocofaisan.2593:

So no one thinks its a big deal that mesmers and engineers break group healing now?

Pretty much no Engineers really use turrets, since turrets still suck.

Mesmers, Necros and Rangers will get all the hate!

All of this is pretty small in comparison to the lying about the entire principles the game was founded and sold to us on, so wont really effect me since I’m not playing anymore!

Haette.2701:

Alberel Leonhart.9640:

If they add another tier beyond ascended then I’ll take my words back but I still see this more as them fixing an oversight in terms of giving players something to work towards.

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating. My last shred of faith is hanging by that thread. If it goes any further than this, I’m out for good.

The german site had an official post that directly stated that they would NOT confirm there will not be additional tiers after ascended because they didn’t want to be accused of lying of they had to add more again later….so they are definitely leaving the door wide open there.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/139a4j/official_post_ascended_items_on_german_forums/

Feel free to check it out yourself.

Arshay Duskbrow.1306:

Loosifah.4739:

Angrec.6970:

You guys think that ring is bad, have you check out Solaria Circle of the sun yet? It has even crazier stats and the infusion on the image was even worse …

Where are you seeing the new items?

http://www.gw2db.com/items?filter-item-rarity=8

Enjoy gazing upon the ruination of this game.

WOW!

They even added them with stat combinations that were never available before.

Power/Toughness/Crit damage with significantly more stats than exotics? WvW pwnage ftw grinders!

I used the correct lingo right?

Loosifah.4739:

Because I’m actually staying with the game I enjoy and I’m here for discussion. All of you are just whining “I’m leaving” repeatedly and not doing it.

What? You don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Most of us are on here trying to get their attention and fight for the game, because we love the game. I bet you there are devs sitting in their office absolutely depressed because they are being forced to do this and go against all their vision. The devs sounded passionate about this very topic in many of their interviews.

Just because we are here trying to get their attention and hopefully salvage the game we love….doesn’t mean we haven’t already stopped showing our support. I have not logged in to the game and I have definitely not purchased anymore gems or told anyone else to buy the game (which I unfortunately had just recommended again to 2 random strangers I heard talking about wanting a game with good pvp and no gear grind to keep up with as they were too busy for that crap anymore)

E Tan.7385:

Derk.3189:

I’d encourage everyone to change their forum signatures to something that disapproves of Arenanet’s blatant lying for starters. Lets go towards boycotting the game from there.

Signature updated !.

good idea.

+1

(I think that’s how the mods said I had to word this when my last attempt was deleted)

Ostra.3927:

Venn.8931:

Glad I dropped hundreds of dollars in computer upgrades to run a game I’ll probably uninstall this weekend.

Good news is there are some decent games coming that can take advantage of those upgrades.

Want an mmo feel with fps action? Try PS2 or Firefall (scifi style)
Want an mmo with the potential to be what we wanted? Keep an eye on WoD
Want a good action game? AC3, LoL, Smite beta are all options

Want a good treadmill MMO? WoW, Rift, Tera, Aion, LoTRO are all BETTER in that regard then GW2.

I’ll have to check out WoD.

Another to look at, that I’m personally excited for, is Elder Scrolls Online. Its even going to have RvRvR combat on an even larger scale than GW2. http://youtu.be/KxJTsq2XeKY?hd=1

Fingers are crossed it wont turn out to be another let down, as I too built an entire new computer for both me and my friend just for this game. :\

SiNoS.2147:

Velron.3729:

“Dip in player numbers doesn’t effect GW2 the same way it does other games because there is no subscription fee. In other words, if players stop playing the game, GW2 is not losing any money.
GW2 makes money from the cash shop and box sales. If the issue was revenue loss, there would’ve been a huge push of cash shop items.”

Actually there was. Halloween event, the amount of gems sold to open those black lion chests to try to get the skins was insane.

Now I’m not saying its the reason for anything, but there was a huge cash shop item push, incredibly huge.

Which is fine. Thing is if people are focusing on Vertical progression, gear grind, they are less apt to buy things in the cash shop because there not able to just stop and enjoy the game. Heck i just got my t3 culture gear because i was finally able to relax having filled my exotic’s and got to finally look around at what all there was. Now i just want to sigh realizing i now have grind out another set. Bad timing on my part i guess.

Don’t worry, I’m incredibly against this. It is a horrible move, making a half kitten attempt at gear progression to try to bring back the content locusts that wont keep their attention for very long…is probably a terrible decision in the long run.

There is a huge core fan base that are loyal, and buy gems just to support the company, because they love the game….who are all going to boycott and withhold their money.

I’m one of them, I’ve bought tons of gems and did so because I loved the game and what they delivered after following it for years…sure there were issues, but they delivered on the principles. So I supported the company and didn’t really hesitate buying gems at all, and I definitely bought at least 3-4 games worth of gems by now. Hell I pre-purchased my friend’s copy of the game just so we could play the BWE’s together.

I wont be spending another cent. I don’t even really know if I’ll play anymore if this goes through as planned. My motivation is really sapped. Played every day since head-start and last night I just sat on the comp in TS chatting with guildies not even playing, instead I watched the download bar on another game to dick around in until they give word on whether or not this is gonna go down.

Vash.9183:

To all of you crying about how you think ascended gear is ruining the game- you are just angry because you have more stuff to do in-game now.

Pretty sure that is definitely NOT why I am mad.

You realize that the gear does not = more stuff to do right? The new content is a brilliant idea and the dungeons sound really cool.

No, I am not mad because of having more things to do. That’s why I love this game, I can log in and do whatever I want. For now.

I am mad because they are going back on core concepts that they sold us on, hell that they sounded passionate about.

If they go through with adding more gear tiers, may as well add more levels too since that’s the audience they’re going for now.

KryTiKaL.3125:

Look at this.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/A-message-from-our-Studio-Design-Director-Chris-Whiteside/first#post721451

And copy-pasting it for those too lazy to follow the link.

Our Studio Design Director Chris Whiteside just posted this:

“I’d like to respond to concerns players have raised about ascended items. Please keep in mind that we’re releasing this as one portion of a massive November update that introduces and improves many aspects of challenge, progression, and rewards. With this and upcoming updates, we view ourselves as introducing large amounts of content with supporting systems and features, akin to an expansion pack, building on Guild Wars 2 through a series of live releases. So it’s important for us to be able to add an expansion pack’s worth of progression and rewards to support that content.

Our goal is not to create a gear treadmill. Our goal is to ensure we have a proper progression for players from exotic up to legendary without a massive jump in reward between the two. We will slowly add the remaining ascended gear items and legendary items in future updates to allow people time to acquire them as we add exciting new content that deserves exciting rewards. We will not be adding a new tier of gear every 3 months that we expect everyone to chase after and then get the next set and so on.

Ascended and infusion rewards will be available in both PvE and WvW over time, and be made available through all sorts of content around the world including existing content. PvP will remain unaffected to ensure our intended PvP balance going forward. We are also working on other reward and progression systems for the game that tie into current and new content and features. As you know we care very much about your support and opinion and are listening intently to what you say.
Finally we look forward to hearing your thoughts on the upcoming content, and we will ensure we share our thoughts with you on the experiences we share in the Lost Shores."

Chris Whiteside – Studio Design Director

Now please stop your complaining. Thanks.

Most of us have all seen that already, all it did was confirm that they are indeed adding new tiers of gear power. Which they stated would never happen. Which was a huge reason that many loved and supported the game.

Alice.8694:

Velron.3729:

Alice.8694:

Velron.3729:

You lied to us, plain and simple.

Lied

“To lie is to deliver a false statement to another person which the speaking person knows is not the whole truth, intentionally.”

You are not using this word correctly.

Fine.

Broke their promise.

kitten.

And which promise was that? With quotes please.

http://www.arena.net/blog/is-it-fun-colin-johanson-on-how-arenanet-measures-success

“Fun impacts loot collection. The rarest items in the game are not more powerful than other items, so you don’t need them to be the best. The rarest items have unique looks to help your character feel that sense of accomplishment, but it’s not required to play the game. We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional, so those who find it fun to chase this prestigious gear can do so, but those who don’t are just as powerful and get to have fun too.”

Already linked by someone else on the previous page.

Enikuo.9205:

Chris Whiteside.6102:

….
Chris Whiteside – Studio Design Director

Bless your hearts! You keep trying to explain it better, but you just end up confirming players’ fears. I think what many are saying is that they just don’t want any further vertical gear progression. Period. That includes legendaries, which don’t have better stats at the moment.

There’s a fine line between love and hate and people wouldn’t be this upset if they didn’t really love the game.

So true. I am pissed because I loved the game…check my account history Anet. I’ve logged in EVERY DAY since the pre-launch head start access. I’ve bought lots of gems too.

Today I played with my RL friend that I actually bought the game for so we could play together, and both of us felt a real loss of the excitement and love of the game after finding out about this.

You lied to us, plain and simple.

Fuzzion.2504:

The new ascended armour will be wearable in WvW.

ALso do not fear the new armour, its only a minor bump up.

Its actually rather significant, especially if you factor the stat differences for a full set.

So, when does The Elder Scrolls Online come out?

Laef.4519:

This is just Land of the Dead all over again (Warhammers first (and last) content update)..
An update that forced rvr (wvw) players to do pve dungeons to stay competitive in pvp..
:(

God I remember that stupid kitten, I quit the game.

https://d2vn94glaxzkz3.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Ascended-EN.png

Yeah, the gear grind is coming. I am extremely pissed off about this. Everything else I could look passed and wait out for fixes….this has me considering just quitting now.

Man, I was REALLY holding out hope that they didn’t do it.

But they did it. They lied to us all. You lied to us Anet.

You will not see another dime from me, feel free to check my account history…I’ve purchased a lot of gems. I did so to support the company that finally broke the mold and didn’t force me to grind for gear so I could enjoy the game the way I want, on even footing.

You promised no treadmill, here is the treadmill.

You could have done this and made the stats EQUAL to exotic but include the extra slot for defensive w/e pve stuff, and you wouldn’t have enraged all of us who don’t want to be forced to treadmill.

Sky.9347:

bcbully.7289:

aaron.7850:

Still no official response yet

Its a shame that so many people are upset, a simple “no, these items will not be stronger than exotics” would calm the masses. I initially got the impression that Arenanet would be more communicative with the playerbase, but whenever I see the Arenanet logo on the forum, its just some manager closing the thread because the “question was answered”

They already said that they would be more powerful. What more of an explanation do you need?

Look you don’t have to go for ascended gear if you don’t want to.

That is the big question.

If it affects general PvE or especially WvW – then yes, yes we do.
If not, then why didn’t they just say so in a quick one line post?

Yep. If the gear effects all stats and not just some special crap for the new harder dungeons then you are FORCED to get it to be on even footing in WvW.

Many, including myself, bought the game for WvW. And not having to worry about a gear treadmill, free to log in and do what I want to do every day (WvW), is a huge part of that.

It’s already been suggested. Best compromise is the new gear bein same stats as exotics but with the new slot. The thing that goes in new slot only effect your strength in the new dungeons.

If the gear is stronger and effects WvW and all PVE. They lied, period. There is no arguing it. And I will be sad and feel betrayed. I’ve sold this game to so many people just telling them about how awesome it is and the no treadmill is a big selling point.

I had to lol @ the guy trying to say we don’t want treadmills bc they are hard. How about you use skill to over come your opponent and content instead of relying on putting in more time and having stronger avatar stats? Who’s the one truly afraid of the challenge?

Angrec.6970:

krookie.6378:

Nathanael.4398:

My real opinion is, that the stats are not better in damage/healing/whatever but have the ability to penetrate through the karkas armor.

If that’s the case, I wouldn’t mind it at all. However, the wording in some of these articles implies that they have higher stats than exotics.

Still waiting on clarification from Anet.

Agreed, I would be comepltely cool with infusing them in a similar manner to gw1, but a new set would probably kill any desire for me to continue playing this game. And on the note of the articles http://www.guildwars2hub.com/features/previews/lost-shores-preview this one realllllyyy has me worried after reading it, anet really needs to put out a clarification soon.

Wow that article really paints the picture clearly of treadmill introduction. They do NEED to get that blog post out ASAP. This is ridiculous.

I for one will be done if they add a gear treadmill I am required to do to stay on even footin for my WvW PVPing.

You promised no treadmill anet. I sold many people on the game bc of that. The ability to easily max gear and then spend all my time in WvW is why I bought the game and the reason I continue to support by purchasing gems. Please don’t lie to me.

Just found out about this.

Wow.

So much for no gear treadmill. Incoming next tier of crap, less than 2.5 months in to game. How long till t3?

You promised no gear treadmill. You’ve just introduced one, thanks.

Mortar is fantastic for WvW if you do a lot of WvW this should be the choice.

Prey on the weak. That’s all. It was a strike of opportunity. SBI is notorious for it. If they caught wind that JQ was launching an attack then it is 100% in the nature of the beast for SBI to launch an attack on RB.

To launch an attack against JQ instead would have forced their retreat from their attack on bay and this would cause the shift of JQ focus to SBI. This typically in t1 means you are going to now be the target of both other servers bc everyone does strikes of opportunity. If you’re being hit by one, expect the other to hit you elsewhere.

You have to do kitten to get the enemy to engage each other. A good way to do this is to send a small party up to the territory that is the other 2 servers and take a supply camp. Most likely both will respond to recap and a fight from both sides over the camp can occur. On JQ BL this would mean for you to send a party that takes NE supply between hills and NE tower.

Zahdane.4029:

Ugh, this is the 3rd week in a row of the same match-up.
Do we also have to have the same exact conversations and arguments as well?

Who here really gives a kitten if they win or lose this match even?

Lol, I’m actually hoping we lose all week.

Got lost there because there’s just too much to it. Didn’t even get to main point.

Engi can react to situations on a dime, all the time. No CD on kit means when I need to be blocking attacks with my gear shield one second I can instantly switch to my FT, use the knockback to stop a pin or rez, then on no CD I can swap back out to whatever I want for the next situation. And this never stops bc there’s no CD on the kits.

To make it all even better. FT is the best anti stealth thief weapon in the game IMO and that + all the bouncing discharges and static shot are really amazing for neutralizing all Mesmer clones and illusions.

HenryAu.7523:

Ianervan.3415:

Well you can say there are some good engineer roamers and skirmishers, but we never see them. I’m a mesmer and roam often, and I can’t even remember when was the last time I saw roaming engineer, let alone die to one.

But this is a 5-man thread. What synergy does engineer provide? I honestly can’t think of anything when going through his skills.

Well engineers can do a lot of the “roles” listed in OP. Doubt they’ll be the “best” in any single one, but they can often do multiple of these things within the same build. I think the most problem I have with the engi class is trying focus and perform just one or two roles well because they can do so many different things. In a designated group of 5, it’ll be much easier to spec for it.

Swiftness for the group – Superior rune of centaur + medkit. Medkit is a healing skill, you can switch to medkit non-stop, there is no CD, so group swiftness based on the rune’s internal CD.
Control – Engi has decent numbers of immobilization, cripples, and launches skills. See wiki pages on immobilize and launches please.
Damage – Glass-cannon rifle + static discharge build can spike quite well. Problem is that’s all the build does and not much else imho.
AoE Damage – Grenadiers.
Condition Removal – Cleansing Formula 409 trait + elixir build, not to mention tossing elixirs effects. Kit Refinement trait + elixir gun gives super elixir and another super elixir from the gun ("While not mentioned in-game, Super Elixir also removes conditions on impact. " – wiki notes).

I should mention that supply drop is probably one of the best skirmish changing elite skills there is…

But honestly though, all those things mentioned above are pretty meh compared to stealth due to the culling issue imo. Hence a group of stealthers have the upper hand right now. (Case in point, try fighting glass cannon thieves along side NPCs and see how much weaker they suddenly seem because NPC aren’t affected by culling issue. Pay attention to NPCs movements to locate “unstealthed” thieves.) You’ll have to wait and see if the Nov 15 patch really fixes anything.

The Engineer is so much more versatile than what is used by most. I feel like most of what you listed is just the typical cookie cutter stuff

My Engi is specced for solo roaming and 5man skirmishes. I don’t know how to really explain to someone who hasn’t played the profession for a while what makes it so strong.

There is no CD on kit swapping. Kit engineers are the real skirmishes who bring tons to a fight. I can be doing ranged AOE burst and spreading conditions and AOE dazes and bouncing lighting burst between people one second, use my FT to knock the whole group on their kitten and then blind them all, the very next leaving caltraps in the floor and pulling someone in and on their kitten for a huge spike damage, then the next be back in my FT tanking the whole group be because I have 94% crit and 66% chance to steal life on an AOE 10 pulse attack.

Supply drop IS one of the best skirmish battle changing elites. If I catch the other group grouped up its going to game over the fight. Supply drop, throw wrench w static discharge, throw shield (this will do tons of burst while disabling the entire group for 4 -5 seconds). Bounce a static shot in there to blind everyone, then FT and knock them all back (12s CD AOE knockback alone is powerful and game changing in skirmishes).

Imagine all of this, and so much more bc the profession is just too versatile to be able to sum up like this, being done by 2 Engineers while some burst thieves are just picking off everyone.

I’ve for multiple blast finishers, combo fields, pull, knockbacks, dazes, stuns, blinds, every damaging condition there is (burning, poison, bleeding, confusion) being stacked on too of burst damage (peak 94% crit with 75% crit damage, near perma protection upkeep, over 2500 armor, multiple blocks/invul, stealth/stability for stomps, reflection, etc etc etc)

Nope. I go out every night with a few guildies and run around. The only times we get bored is when the other servers quit so we aren’t able to get into any skirmishes. I think my whole guild wishes our server was losing lol. (Only so there would be more fights/fun)

^good engineers are absolutely amazing for skirmishing, solo roaming, etc. That takes someone well adapt to the profession though (and many find it a hassle), most Engi’s you see I feel like were leveled solely for spamming nades at or off of keep/tower walls (which anyone can kitten do).

Been an Engi since pre-launch and don’t have any alts I WvW with at all, and I don’t use nades.

It’s true it’s rare though, so rare that I swear Engi’s random whisper each other if they see another good one out lol

I’m not on Yak’s Bend and if I was in OPs position that’s where I would go.

Yak’s wins for reputation as the most respectable WvW community. They are the only server ever whose commanders organize and gave back an orb that was hacked.

I’ve talked to people on there before and they love it there and say there’s a great community VoIP server as well, etc.

Lilun.8732:

any 5 players) who know their class/playstyle… Not afraid to die.

This. This is really it.

The best 5man is the one not afraid to suicide bomb that yak or rush strait into the enemy Zerg just to hold them back as long as possible before certain death.

Group we had the other night that was freakin awesome was 2 Engi’s, 1 D/D Ele, 2 burst thieves. Everyone in this comp is very self sufficient, mobile, etc

Between the distraction the D/D Ele and Engineers cause the thieves usually go rather unnoticed while they destroy stuff. It’s hard to see the thief when there’s tons of turrets (2 supply drops) and flamethrowers and fire and bouncing AOEs.

Maybe not best, but its fun as hell and so far been VERY effective. We just run whoever shows up on whatever tho, doesn’t matter. Just out there for fun

The people disappearing and never coming back is usually alt+f4, not stealth.

The hood/mask ninja looking one is from CoE, got that in the bank

Yeah the monocle is what I rocked with that setup until I got to really finding the end game gear I wanted.

Dual sigils both triggering from on-crit is a waste. The ICD on one triggers the other.

Earth on one weapon and something like sigil of corruption on the other would be better IMO.

He prob means not selectin a target and instead manually aiming the path of the flame blast ability.

Get enough crit and some lifesteal food and you don’t need to kite, just blast em in the face.

ricky.4870:

velron love your engi ty by the way

Np man, appreciate the compliment. Here’s one more I shot out in WvW, was right after we had a freakin sweet 3v6 that we won.

Here’s one more.

Had a request for some other pics of my Engi

Varqov.6984:

hey Velron, what kind of high dmg build do you have with the shield?
I am leveling up now, and love the shield! I want to keep a good amount of dmg while keeping my very fun/useful shield. I just love having a block then a knock back/knock down.

I don’t want to give the whole thing away…but it uses maxed firearms and tools line. Sigil of fire on the pistol helps add DD, static discharge + throw wrench is a big part of the DD burst the build has.

I consider it a hybrid, even with only 300 condi damage the bleeding, poison, confusion, burning all ticking away on top of fairly good burst while being tanky (thanks to a particular armor/ rune/1 trait synergy setup) is pretty friggin awesome.

I love the shield, I made the build bc I was bored being rifle/nades like every other Engi, as well as playing that setup since launch.

Also small tip. Run a stacking sigil over a damage or crit increase sigil, the stacks you gain DO effect stats while in kits.

For PVE and WvW I promise you you can make a P/S build that is fun, tanky, and has terrific damage output – and I’m not talking condition stacking. I’m talking 60% crit chance, 75% crit damage type build..with P/S instead of rifle. No nades either. Near perma protection upkeep, tons of AOE damage, etc.

I don’t wanna give away my build but just stick with it, if you think outside the box you will stumble upon something great with this profession.

Haha I was Ranger in BWE 1 and 2. Went Engi BWE3 and never looked back.

Scribbles.3974:

Velron.3729:

We aren’t weak. One of the strongest skirmish professions in the game IMO. The real issue sPVP wise is bein stat limited. I run unconventional stat and build breakdown you can’t make in sPVP. It’s incredibly effective in WvW but when I want to sPVP I usually play something else bc I feel much less effective than my WvW Engi build.

You cannot compare us to a thief or war. They should do more outright DPS, bc ill bounce them all around and CC them to death and back as is. If I could do that + burst as hard as them would be stupid.

All the Engi needs are bug fixes. Those who think the profession is weak should be playing something else. Engi is far from weak.

[Edit]Thank You!

im quite tired of seeing people cry about how weak we are :/

Engi since early access day 1 and my only alt is lvl 15. I love the profession.