Guild Wars 2

Grok.9725:

For the record, I fit into the demographic the O.P. describes. I’m over 40, with kids and without much time to play during the day. But I really dislike this new content. I signed up for an MMO. Not a platformer.

ditto.

The new content seems designed to appeal to 4 year olds- at least the neighbour’s kid is enjoying the April event.

And no, people aren’t getting upset because Anet ‘did a tribute Jump Puzzle, etc’, they are upset because the resources devoted to making the ‘Jump Puzzle platform event’ could have been better spent sorting out the many issues in the game or concentrating resources on, say, a new map for wvw, changing wvw maps, sorting out the many issues wvw has, etc etc – but instead they spent those resources coming out with something kitten.

Get on TS, talk to your server, organise a bit and having keeps tagged won’t be much of an issue- your scouts will let you know what is going on straight away.

The ‘gamble’ is that there are no published odds as to the relative outcomes, so you have no way of knowing what risk you are taking and what the possible ‘reward’ might be as a result of you partaking of the gamble box known as the black lion chest. In other words it’s a ‘blind punt’, i.e. a complete gamble with no way of knowing the outcome.

Many countries would consider that gambling, on which they have fairly strict views.

Personally I like my fun gaming time to keep more than one brain cell occupied whilst not making me try to co ordinate keys to make jumps to obtain baubles- I didn’t find it entertaining at 5 years old and I still don’t.

Glad to hear so many people are enjoying it though.

Quote: creating maps is our most labor intensive process

And yet endless Jump Puzzle 2 instalments are made for each event, even the newest one is just a jump puzzle thinly disguised as a platform game for 4 year olds- as can be attested by my neighbour’s 4 year old playing it after I showed it to them.

If you can design a map for an event then you can design one for wvw – oh wait, terrain without jump puzzles in it must be a lot MORE difficult to design than one with……

Would be great to get something more than hot air in interviews with ‘promises’ – it’s been 7-8 months now.

I just got an image of ANet’s dev team’s office in my head- the part time wvw dev is stuck in a corner at the bottom of the room, which looks like a vertical jump puzzle with all the other devs having fun and enjoying themselves, but the poor wvw dev has no legs and can’t come play so the other kids jump around and make fun of him.

That’s kind of what it feels like with wvw.

DevonCarver.5370:

I can’t make any promises, because nothing is set in stone yet, but that is something I would like to address, yes.

Seven months of people pointing out the sheer impossibility of obtaining any of the wvw titles in any reasonable timespan and it’s finally reached the stage of ’it’s something I’d like to address’.

‘World peace’ is something I’d like to address, and seems as unlikely to happen.

Let’s have some cold hard facts, like what exactly is specifically being addressed on a wvw specific basis by the dev team right now. Publish a list- not a wish list of ‘we might look at’’it’s being looked at’ ‘consideration is being given to maybe doing something about it’, but an actual list, so wvw’rs can see some love from the devs.

There was a list of issues about wvw somewhere at some point, started just after the game came out, don’t know what ever happened to it.

Take a good look at how titles progressed in GW1 and apply it here- surely it can’t take THAT much effort to think of a name for each stage of the titles in wvw and then apply them, so that each tier of each achievement has a title? If you’re struggling with names, ask the community, I’m sure you will get many suggestions.

Then sort out the titles themselves so they are achievable, and add extra tiers- wvw kills, for instance, should have at least ten tiers (look at rank system for HoH in GW1 for guidance), maybe 15, with progression looking similar to GW1 rank titles.

Simple changes that would certainly cheer up the massive wvw community.

The 4 year old LOVES the latest Jump Puzzle 2 addition, the April Fool event- maybe get them on my commander next and see how long he can get people to follow him around the map.

Get used to it. It took them 7 months to fix culling and bring in this system (which I assume they tested?), so any changes might take quite a while.

I take it all back- I’m glad the children have something to do today, and that they are all enjoying Jump Puzzle 2’s latest expansion.

HOORAY! Another jumping puzzle!

And this time it looks like it’s designed for 4 year olds.

Welcome to what is turning into Jump Puzzle, a platform game.

It;s a great April fools joke from the devs- you thought you were playing a MMO with some maturity and intelligent gameplay? hahahahahah fooled you! We’re one of those platform games that came out 30 years ago!

Nice rewards- I’ll ask the neighbours to borrow their 4 year old so he can rack up the baubles for the weapon skin.

quote: Conclusion: The devs are certainly talking about doing things to zergs.

Apparently my conclusion was an infraction of the forum rules and post deleted but the above conclusion (which is equally supposition, but showing Anet in a favourable light) wasn’t.

Guess I know how they run these forums now, no point in posting any opinion that doesn’t shine a light on Anet’s wonderful efforts.

Waking.6052:

Why would you bring your under-leveled under-geared under-practiced wimpy character into a competitive environment is right!

Altaholic noobs.

Although I agree WXP should be account wide, that doesn’t mean you should be able to do whatever you want and succeed. Come on, we’re out of kindergarten. I am anyway.

All my ten alts have full exotics and are fully geared for wvw including foods, etc – want to change your statement now? (oh wait, the engi isn’t, he missing one piece as it was so kitten awful before updates).

As for underpracticed, got to admit you got me there- my thief and engi won’t win any awards for ‘most skilled’.

I played GW for years, the ability to play multiple classes and builds VERY well was something you needed in 2-3 players in a top guild so they could sort out builds, although now I am older it’s getting harder to react fast enough (or care enough sometimes) to deal with certain situations.

Got 3 or 4 to rank 4 or 5 so far- while your sort of player will no doubt be ‘leet’ rank 20 on one toon and soon will be moaning about people playing alts when you needed them for that 25% extra bally damage or 4 more supply, which they don’t have as unlike you they can play more than one class and prefer to, and are being kitten for it by Anet.

Dream on. Put it in the suggestions thread. If you haven’t realised by now:

If it’s not affecting pve/dungeons/fractals NOTHING will be done.

DevonCarver.5370:

DiogoSilva.7089:

Would those changes apply to wvw alone, or to the whole game?

It’s hard to say, again without really having specifics to go into. It’s very likely that any performance improvements would be game wide and not specific to WvW, but if the changes were more specifically related to what happens when a ton of players are around each other at the same time it might more strongly impact WvW than the rest of the game.

In other words, wvw down at the bottom of the priority list so don’t expect any changes any time soon unless they decide it’s affecting a dragon killing blob, in which case it will move up the list.

Well, a total of around 80 keys yielded 2 skins. Totally not worth it, won’t be trying any more RNG boxes in future so that’s one less customer next time around.

Much better to yield less and more often by actually selling the skins themselves, then customers would get what they want without having a sour taste left in their mouth.

Can’t remember the last time a BL key dropped for me- but then I’m mostly in wvw and they don’t seem to drop at all there, or must be very rare.

Got about 150 chests and 0 keys on my account.

You missed many other basics, such as:

Don’t bring your pve build here, please take a few moments and read up on effective wvw builds.

Remember wvw is mostly a team game, so if you can bring skills (and use them) that help the group (buffs, boons, condition removals, etc etc) that would be useful.

Backing off when the commander says ‘charge’ will almost always result in you dying anyway, and will certainly result in the attack failing and a lot of cheesed off dead people on our side. Remember combo fields can be very powerful in wvw and standing in a bunch might actually help you live longer.

So much else to add but it’s probably pretty pointless as the pve crowd generally won’t read this before diving in.

John Smith.4610:

Gasoline.2570:

Let’s see what the average will be

Statistically inaccurate

Surveying forums leads to massive biases including Sample Bias and Response Bias. In this case there are at least 3 other biases not being accounted for off the top of my head.

In another game that I used to play they were eventually forced to publish (very obscure site they put it up on..) the drop rates on gamble items such as these chests- maybe someone got them defined as a game of chance after some legal action (probably after spending thousands of dollars to get nothing).

There is nothing to be gained by treating your customers like monkeys- you might gain some short term cash on sales but in the longer term you will lose out. When you walk into a casino, you know the odds before you start.

Maybe instead of the flip comments some real hard facts would be nice.

Personally, bought ten keys, opened, no skin. Disappointed. No idea what the drop rate is but the advertising made it seem like it should be better than one in ten- false advertising claims perhaps?

from OP…because they will not change anything just because it’s broken for wvw, all class and skill changes are done with pve foremost.

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Alright, if you haven’t hear of who Professor Sensei or I, Carmine Valkyrie, are, we are the Duo Capping Thieves of Tarnished Coast#

Apart from your own bedroom, no one has ever heard of you.

Apart from the other thief, no one cares either.

You are two players exploiting the most broken mechanic in the game (stealth, in case you haven’t got it yet), playing the class that needs the most fixing and the least skill to play, and you come on the forums to boast about it?

Get help. In Real Life. Fast.

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wxp will make no noticable difference to anyones performance in wvw

Its like complaining that dyes are character specific unquote…

Try 25% extra damage using a ballista- ‘no noticable difference’ ? And that is from a dev stating the tooltip is incorrect when it says 2%.

Add on the other features and yes, it makes a real difference between playing one toon and being able to switch mains, all due to Anet thinking people actually want to have to repeat everything multiple times to achieve the same thing ten times and in the meantime be playing a less useful toon.

The major problem with retaliation is it’s long duration and stacking, and the fact it is not based on a percentage of the damage dealt.

It becomes a problem when a whole zerg has it stacked on – if your zerg isn’t similarly stacked then it’s almost instawipe time.

But it won’t get changed anytime soon as this only occurs in wvw, and as we all know by now things don’t get changed if it’s wvw related.

It got so bad in SM last night for skill lag I grabbed my warrior and had a blast – for some reason it seems I can use more skills on a melee toon than any channelled or ranged skill when skill lag comes along.

Oh well, 7 months to fix culling, guess another 7 to wait for skill lag to be fixed, and then they might start on all the other issues…

WExp needs to come from defending as well as doing objectives and killing players. At the moment the formula is too weighted towards killing players and capping objectives, and hence people naturally form a blob and go cap things whilst running over 20-30 man groups with their 60+ blob.

Hopefully the new pve crowd that have joined in will get bored with running around in a blob and go back to running fractals or speed running dungeons or whatever it is that makes them money in pve, when they realise you make little to no gold in comparison in wvw.

Got to say, the sheer number of AG in their blobs at 1am was astonishing. Grats on taking Hills on FSP BL, not a lot we could do in the end against that number of players- but it was great fun trying!

Blobs/zergs, call them what you will, are going to happen in wvw and we all do it, so let’s just enjoy the fun of having so many bags dropping.

Loving this match up, although it’s hard to decide which class to play atm as playing ranger feels like I’m not really helping- so far made rank levels on 5 different toons, as given up on aiming for anything with ranks as i like playing different classes.

Keep up the fun guys!

Quote: Thank you Habib for the awesome job you did on removing Culling!

Yep, great job, only 7 months to fix this!

I hope Habib is moving across to jump puzzle design and fractals.

Good luck new guy, I hope you listen to the community and sort out all the various issues that exist in wvw- I’m sure there was a list here somewhere, it ran to a few hundred pages.

First order of business: disable being able to stomp from stealth- bad enough being hit for 6k by cluster bomb (checks all ranger single skills, nothing comes close in one hit for the ‘masters of range’) then 6k /8k/6k/6k macro attack then stealth while he decides which side to stomp you from whilst you can’t see him.

Good build for ranger: any other class, they all do things better than you can and are more use in wvw. That’s coming from someone who has played them all, and still comes back to ranger (yes, I’m a sick man).

All the posted builds are trying to work around the fact that so many things are broken about the class and ANet have no real ideas on how to go about fixing it without making rangers OP in PVE dungeons.

OP doesn’t realise that the overall affect of the ranger changes was yet more nerfing to the ranger, especially to builds that were effective in wvw.

For pve, you can leap around all you like with your greatsword and have your pet hit stationary targets (oh and yippee they fixed AR, took long enough to even realise it might be a problem?) but try it in wvw and when you finish dieing for the 20th time or waiting for your kitten pets to come off cooldown after their suicide runs then come back and say how great it was to nerf 50% of the dps on qz.

Rangers are the masters of ranged attacks, according to Anet’s own blurb..and yet any other ranged class does more damage and it just got worse with the QZ nerf, as pet damage can’t be counted when it misses/get dodged/crippled/dead with no backup buff for when your pets are down.

It’s almost like playing half a class, and wondering when the other half will come along.

Sad thing is so many people have invested so much into their rangers and waited so long in the hope that Anet will fix the broken class that they find it difficult to change to a class that isn’t broken and will keep on hoping….

Of course the PVE crowd will be happy with the AR fix (which should never have existed if anyone at Anet had thought about rangers when designing fractals…)..GS damage increase assumes you think you are a tank and can take all that aoe and melee damage when you leap into a pile of people, or you’re a PVE’r and think using a GS is cool- but if you thought that, there are a lot of other classes that use a GS to much greater effect.

Remember the promise to fix spirits MONTHS ago..it’s pretty clear they don’t know how to fix rangers pvp without making them OP in PVE- which is really very easy, just have different skills or skill affects in pve and pvp/wvw.

Edit: forgot to mention the positive about playing ranger in wvw is that you are almost always targetted last as almost everyone else is more damage and more use than you.

Another positive is it’s so Underpowered that it’s actually a challenge to kill anyone 1v1 (or more vs1) of a similar skill level in wvw, which makes it fun for a while.

GvG and HoH were e-sports, was a great watch. Not seen anything that could be remotely as interesting in GW2.

E-sport infers something dynamic, watchable and playable- nothing seems to fit that here.

yes, it all changed price- they reduced the badge cost and added the 1gold charge per piece- which for anyone who exclusively does wvw, buys siege and upgrades and dies quite a lot is quite a lot of money.

The answer of course is to do something you don’t want to do which is join a dungeon party and waste your time there to make the gold to buy the piece of wvw armor you want.

It a bit like the daily choices- forcing you to go places or do things that you would rather not spend your time doing in order to obtain something you do want…

Post got deleted by a mod….

So to rephrase:

Bad idea. Goes completely against the rest of the game mechanics and is badly thought out. Players reading the reply ‘alternative/character progression’ feel that the devs have little to no understanding of why players like to play different classes at different times.

It appears it’s one rule for pve and another for wvw- which doesn’t make this game any more fun, it just turns it into one big grind to level up ten different lvl80 toons abilities- and for those that say they make very little difference, read the correction on ballista damage increase which is 25%- but which in order to get on whatever class I am playing that day I now to get 10 times over.

There, hope that was nicely phrased (it now fails to get much of the points across that I made originally) and doesn’t get deleted for offending their sensibilities.

Sorry to see you go. With a main of every class it’s a bit different for me, but I keep coming back to ranger and playing it in wvw, not because it is easy mode like thief, but because it’s hard.

Sadly, character bound traits in wvw mean that if I want to switch around I’ll never get the ones I want on the toons I want them on, so now we’re being forced to choose ONE class as a main – I’d like to play ranger but don’t really feel like it would be a good investment of my time given it’s been 7 months and every patch just nerfs it more.

Maybe one day they will fix the many things wrong with the classes- many of which stem from their stubborn blind insistence on only having one set of skills to cover everything, rather than be like GW1 and have ‘pvp versions’ of skills, which means they are forever nerfing things which might be OP in pve against stationary targets but are ESSENTIAL for viable builds in wvw.

Probably a dev’s thief was stomped with quickness, so they nerfed quickness- after all, being stomped by a stealthed character is perfectly alright in ANet’s book but being stomped by a broken ranger class isn’t, hence the nerf.

I’m glad it not only takes badges to obtain the weapons now, but 1gold too- as if wvw’rs make piles of money…

Reveal debuff..so CnD no longer puts you in stealth?

Funny to read a thief moaning about this one second change- they can still escape easily from any fight whenever they feel like it, nothing reveals you out of stealth, your macro still downs players (and even more of them atm as we’re flooded with pve’rs with paper for armor) and now you’re qqing as you actually have to play a bit more like a real toon…only a bit mind, stealth is still a deeply flawed idea without any real counter.

So a couple of upgraded ballistas and a pimped toon or two are going to make a real mess of anything that gets in range.

Shame I have so many mains, would be nice to be able to reach the rank points needed for this on all 10 toons before hell freezes over, but apparently it’s Ok to kitten myself by switching toons as it’s ‘character (re) progression’.

Makes having these abilities character bound almost as stupid as having Wexp character bound- 25% is insane.

6pts/day is 30k wexp points a day..ten toons, that’s 30 months to reach all my mains decked out, and that’s assuming I play every day AND get 30k Wexp points a day- which would mean running around karma training constantly. In my 1.5 hours online last night I managed 1.5k Wexp- but then we were mainly defending our garrison in our borderland for that entire time.

Silly me- we should have let them have it and ran around capping stuff all night playing swopsies on towers and keeps that will never get upgraded…welcome to zergville.

Titles should start with ‘little zerger’ and progress through to ‘ultimate zerger’ to reflect the realities.

Yay!¬ Great job! Well done!

You’re cheering that they actually FIXED something that was obviously broken, and which should have worked from the start, and ‘only’ took them 6 months or so to fix, which gives you an idea how high on the priority list wvw is.

In the meantime they bring in character bound wvw titles for an area where being able to switch toons and be of help is essential, and bring in a Wexp system that totally favours karma train zergs.

No redesign of maps, numbers still restricted way below the original targets, dumb nerfs to catapults making defending even more of a waste of time, not even a change on any map, JP’s still there. No changes to skills for ‘wvw only’ type skills aka GW1.

I’ll cheer when they actually devote some serious resources into this area of the game and stop nerfing rangers!

I’ve posted it elsewhere and I’ll post the same thing here- this is the worst possible change they could have made to rangers damage output, and is probably as a result of a dev playing thief that got hit by LB2 under qz and got downed under his tent. OMG! Guys! We HAVE to nerf this way OP skill- my thief got downed in undetectable stealth mode!

Now we’re back to watching qz, LB3, LB2 and watching half the shots miss/dodged/blocked and by the time the longest skill in the game finishes qz is done too.

I swear they must test ranger damage on dummies (or is that tested BY dummies…), or in some abstract mathematical way that doesn’t take into account any actual gameplay mechanics. Even if they do test it, it’s probably in pve only, as they sure seem to have no clue how ranger (doesn’t)functions in wvw.

CETheLucid.3964:

Berserkers still have all their DPS. Nothing got nerfed in that regard. The quickness burst is what got nerfed and it is a global nerf. This effects everyone.

Your QZ burst still viable in that regard, it’s not lesser then any other classes quickness burst. You get an extra second of it now and a new stunbreaker.

Do you play ranger?

QZ got nerfed by 50%- that’s 50% less damage in the same timeframe. It means by the time I hit qz, lb 3 and then watch lb2 slowly go off, the new extended 1 second is gone- not to mention as my shots now have more of a gap they miss more, get dodged more, etc etc.

Basically they took away burst damage (made it a lot less effective)- probably because the devs play thief and one of them got hit by LB2 after they stealthed when the ranger was on qz and the thief got downed in his tent.

Seems anything that might hurt a thief (like putting a 10 second cooldown on CnD for instance..wouldn’t that be great?) is nerfed to hell.

Most of the wvw I’m involved in using GS would be like committing suicide, but I’m glad they buffed any of our skills.

It still doesn’t help the main problem, which is that in any decent sized fight your pets are dead more often than alive and as a result your damage is kitten (and please, assume I do know how to control my pets). Having your pet stand beside doing nothing isn’t an option- that’s just admitting the whole problem, which is pets are useless when it comes to avoiding aoe, etc and they will never be able to fix that.

They are worried any buff to pets would make them OP in pve where the mobs are either dumb or predictable.

There is a simple solution- I Will Avenge You. pet dies, you get a 30 second buff to your damage and attack speed (basically to make up for the fact your pets are dead and otherwise you are kitten .

For roaming, I might have to dust off the GS- although it does make me wonder about the definition of ‘masters of long range damage’ when they buff a melee weapon on what is apparently supposed to be a ranged class…

It got botted before which is why they won’t think of putting it back, as it’s easier by far than coding in a bot checker or placing a restriction on the number of times you could do it in any 24 hour period.

Of course escorting dolyaks is an important part of Wvw, as is paying for upgrades, but as it doesn’t involve zergs killing zergs it won’t get rewarded properly and people won’t do it (or very few will bother).

With the change in catapults there is even less reason to upgrade keeps as they will flip in even less time so it’s going to get even more karma train/zerg like – but that seems to be what they want anyway, as they sure don’t want to encourage diversity judging by the new Wexp character bound system.

Anyone got info on relative amounts of Wexp for taking/defending towers, escorting dolyaks, taking/defending camps, etc?

With the changes to catapults defence will be further weakened meaning even less towers will be upgraded and even more reason to just karma/Wexp train around.

Will let you know as soon as my patch finsihed loading on my ultra slow wind up internet…

Actually one change will slow thiefs down , and that steal/mug doesn’t now automatically lead into autoattack.

It will slow them down until such time as they amend the macro on their keyboard to take account of it, the we’re back to instawin from stealth, as basilisk still stuns for long enough for them to combo you in about one second.

The example of wiping a thief in 3 seconds was just for illustrative purposes only- thiefs have the ultimate ‘get out of jail free’ skills and there is still NO effective counter to stealth and no detection pots, etc.

Meanwhile thief QQs were heard and QZ got nerfed to hell, as apparently if you got completely lucky and crit on every shot it might have been possible to kill a thief on qz with buffs and everything else by shooting them with lb3 followed by lb2 if every single shot hit, provided they didn’t notice in the 5 seconds it took to do this to a moving target…

And this:

No you don’t, you still only have a fraction of a second. Culling isn’t the issue. I just logged in and tested the “nerf” and I can still chain cloak and dagger like always. There is no nerf.

I was going to test it on my engineer but then I thought of how Wexp is character based, so someone else will have to waste Wexp on an alt to test it….

This: Weapons sold by vendors are no longer salvageable.

Yet another thing you can no longer do with karma or badges.

Thanks Anet.

Seeing all the changes for the engineer I might have to dust mine off.

Oh wait. WExp is character bound, so if I rank up on that trying it out then switch back to another toon I’m back to square one…so I guess it’s stick on one toon if you want the titles.

Not exactly the huge changes we were originally promised, more of a damp cloth.

So to make up for the fact that we have basically the longest and most easily dodged skill in the game (longbow 2 skill), they have now nerfed the only skill that made sense (quickness) by 50% and yet extended qz duration by one second from 4 to 5.

Basically that’s a nerf to ranger damage output yet again.

Seeing as it now takes basically the whole of QZ’s timer to press it, press lb 3 then lb2 and watch the slowest skill in the universe, by the time it now finishes that extra second is gone- and in the meantime the reduction in quickness means that even more of your damage is dodged/avoided/blocked.

Way to go Anet, another nerf to an already struggling class.

If you want to see what they think of this class as compared to engineer, go read the update notes for the engineer, including grenades that you can now attack objects out of the line of sight with!

I think we may as well all change to engineer which at least gets some love- all the changes are totally pve based and how it might effect wvw is never even considered or if it is it clearly isn’t thought out.

GW had a lot of features that were great, which didn’t make it into gw2.

Guild battles and attainable titles, random arenas that you could just jump into, savable builds, guild rosters that told you when people had been online, etc etc.

Why aren’t they?

Why aren’t fractals drops character bound?

Why aren’t all drops character bound?

Why is one of your characters allowed to collect stuff that you can use on other toons?

Why are you allowed a warehouse and why is there a TP?

Because it’s fun to play on more than one toon, and be able to farm stuff more effectively on certain classes than others.

So WHY are Anet making wvw titles CHARACTER bound? (Not the little new skills, those should be character bound, I mean the titles).

If you take this new thinking ’it’s more challenging to level up a title on one toon then have to do it all over on the next’ then why didn’t you apply this to pve content as well? Want that dungeon set, then complete the dungeon multiple times on your engineer or whatever you want it for. Repeat for each toon you have.

Because people would quit in droves, that’s why, as it’s obvious it would be a completely stupid idea that pigeonholes people into playing just one class (and pretty much one build).

But apparently because it’s wvw then it’s OK….