Guild Wars 2

I don’t think this thread is about kicking in general. It is more specific about destroying the instance and progress.

It is justified by saving resources on limited server hardware

It was definitely more than 2 seconds before the patch. I used to be able to stand inside lupi’s phase 3 aoe life drain for the whole duration with RF. Now RF’s invuln expires before the life drain ticks end.

AntiGw.9367:

The main trait of GW2 elitists is being kittens to people that don’t use what the elitists consider to be the most efficient gear or build.

The elitists treat the game objectives as a job, pressing everyone to complete them as fast as possible, and insulting anyone that is simply there to relax.

They are the ones asking for gear checks, achievement checks, dps checks etc.

I still don’t understand what achievement point checks accomplish

Zelyhn.8069:

Was it removed?

yeah
If anything it was a pretty effective way to check if people’s sarcasm detectors were working properly

I honestly think it is time we move on from the kitten manifesto. The flaws in this game are still flaws, manifesto or not. Bringing up the manifesto is just going to made all these discussions become people arguing what manifestos are, instead of stuff about the game.

If only my “compilation of berserker player qualities” thread is still up….

Just in case you didn’t know. Kicking sellers mean destroying their instance and taking away all the progress. Most sellers are near the end of the path and they start selling.

What if they aren’t selling the path? A group with 1 or 2 ppl dc at the third fractals wanting people to replaced the empty slots, is it okay to kick the instance owner of the fractal?

Horaay! Still bugger all done about those kicking path sellers.

I just don’t understand why you loose record of who you partied with when you are kicked but not when you leave the party normally. After more than 1 year of players suggesting it to Anet as well.

LHound.8964:

I sometimes find amusing the very own definition of DPS, and the effort players makes to get the highest DPS. In this game i believe players should be looking at a Dp10s instead of DPS. It’s funny how some Berserker players (mostly Warriors) bursts in the first 5 seconds and stays downed in the following 5s…

amusing indeed, but I’m glad I haven’t met too much of them

In pve I haven’t found a use for spirit hammer and spirit sword

Just found this out when doing Arah just then.
what the kitten is this… seriously.

AntiGw.9367:

This topic is precisely what they meant by “cleverly disguised” personal attacks.

This is precisely the type of slippery slope people are worrying about.

there was a bug that made mesmers do stupid amount of damage when they use chaos storm from the fall damage trait

They don’t interest me either. I just ignore them and find other parts of the game to entertain myself.

how is this even an argument?

You need mats that is worth X amount of gold in the current market price to craft Y.

What is the problem? (Oh, and yes, even the best farm spots are worse than the minimum wage in a rl job)

If I get a temp ban for skipping lupi I would say it’s fair.

We used to replace one ele with a thief in our AC runs until that guy went off to play some other games. That is mainly because thieves have better damage modifiers though.

might want to do an actual test and see the numbers before jumping to conclusions

It was a bit scary because if someone decided to post in the 60 sec window of flow control then the 2 parts will be separated and our lives would be ruined

Broadicea.8294:

ok I guess I’ll never be able to post a new topic, if someone would start a thread with this that would just be the best thing ever…

http://pastebin.com/fbCSx6Sr

done

The Team

So let’s discuss the ideal team setup as well. We need a way to provide 25 stacks of might, perma-fury, and ideally 25 stacks of vulnerability on enemies as well. There are also the unique team buffs to consider. Due to that last bit, I believe there team should, at a minimum, have 1 ranger and 1 warrior. Considering the cooldowns involved, 2 warriors might be ideal in order to alternate usage of signet of fury and/or healing surge for Longbow F1. Blasting fire fields will be our main source of might generation- a thief could be a good pick to use SB2 on fire fields provided by warriors and ranger (torch 5). Fury is taken care of by the warriors using warbanner/FGJ, and the ranger using warhorn/red moa. The Ranger is obvsiouly using Spotter and Frost Spirit as well.

Vulnerability is the one area that might be difficult to maintain for the duration of a solo fight. How well could one engineer and two warriors maintain it? They could perhaps equip white weapons and no armor to reduce their damage as much as possible while still allowing them to “attack” and apply vulnerability. Is that feasible at all? If so, the engineer should take the thief’s spot.

Obviously boon duration (condition duration for the vuln stackers) would help here. The whole team should probably consider going naked with white weapons anyway, just to be sure there is minimal interference. Don’t forget to turn off auto-attack!

So anyway, these are just some starting ideas to get some good controlled environments to test out different builds. We can (and should) also discuss other aspects of good experimental method, such as using multiple trials to average times, proper recording techniques, etc. The point is, let’s come to an agreement for a standard and start using it.

Or Anet could just put in a kittening Master of Damage and we’d be done with the whole mess.

I am posting the following for Broadicea because he has no access to internet while he is in prison
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Hey folks. A lot of pure theory crafting gets thrown around in this forum and others, unfortunately in the PvE side we don’t have much actual testing going on. Some of you think we don’t need it. May those of you who believe that be confined for all eternity to the abyss of Tartarus.

For the rest of us, designing a good field test brings several challenges. Firstly, we obviously have to do this in a PvE mode, since limitations on builds in PvP (crit chance/damage mainly) rule out using the golems. Within that setting, we need to be as isolated as possible from interference. We don’t need John and Jane Q. Puggers running over and ruining what we had set up halfway through. Since many of our builds and calculations rely on full team bonuses being provided, we need the rest of our team there. How many others we need will be discussed later on. We also need enemies that won’t really fight back, since the amount of time you spend dodging is a huge variable that really can’t be adequately controlled. We all know we will dodge during most fights, but due to aggro mechanics, how much can vary from enemy to enemy, group to group, even build to build. I would suggest larger health pools as well, since more time spent on the trial will smooth out inconsistencies in rotations and other RNG factors.

There are of course other aspects to consider, the above is by no means meant to be an exhaustive list. Due to some of those issues, I believe moving on from Veteran Risen Giants is in order. The last time we had this conversation, some good ideas for targets were put forth. I think we should discuss those, as well as determine the optimal setup for the rest of the team that will be providing buffs.

The Target

Keeping in mind some of those challenges I mentioned above, I believe a target should fit these criteria

-large health pool (champions or legendaries only)
-isolated (within an instance)
-meatbag (able to do the whole fight with minimal or NO dodging and not worrying about damage mitigation)
-level 80 (no downscaling)

Right off the bat, being level 80 confines us to HOTW, CoE, or Arah. Examining these:

HOTW
None of the bosses I know of in story or the three explorables are total meatbags. Any fight against them will involve lots of downtime due to kiting/dodging/healing. Also, their health pools are excessively large, which leads to fatigue and overall not giving a kitten anymore before you finish.

CoE
The golem boss is a potential candidate, but it’s a bit of a messy fight, with the possibility of getting lasered or fisted (huehuehue) by the boss. The protection buff also drags this out longer than is necessary. You could assign your team to destroy turrets, I suppose. Food for thought. Subject Alpha obviously is not ideal, due to the dodges needed. The Evolved Destroyer though…now we’re talking. He’s a total punching bag. All you need is a guardian giving you aegis or just WALK out of the tooth area and you’re safe. The only downside to this target would be the need to leave and reapply the lasers to drop his shield. With only one person attacking you would likely need several shield drops to finish him off. One other downside would be that he’s so near the end of the path. The ability to get to a target quickly is a big draw. Probably the best candidate in CoE though.

Arah
Rather than draw this out I’ll just jump to spoj’s suggestion of the Ooze boss in path 1. By utilizing the coral safe spot, he becomes the ultimate meatbag. It’s right in the beginning of the path- needs only a few minutes from entering the dungeon to starting the fight. The rest of the team is very safe here as well, which makes it easy for them to standby and provide might and fury buffs. As far as other candidates in Arah, I believe Magecrusher and the Abomination are also potentials. Anyway, unless someone else can be shown to surpass the Ooze, that’s my pick. Perhaps the only downside would be not being able to use proper sigils. Does it share an undead classification? If not, Force becomes the only damage bonus gear, which hurts builds that stack multipliers (and thus rely on Force/Night+Slaying).

lunyboy.8672:

Khisanth.2948:

Lord Kuru.3685:

I’m REALLY surprised at how many people don’t know how defiant stacks work. I think Anet failed in explaining it clearly. Perhaps they should have showed off the mechanic prominently early in the personal story?

When did they ever explain defiant?
I don’t think they’ve failed to explain defiant simply because they’ve never actually explained it anywhere. It is just a matter of hovering your mouse over the icon and reading the description … while you are in the middle of fighting things. -_-

The tutorial is freaking useless,

what tutorial? o_o

viciouspike.8624:

Why in an organized group to have the difficulty raised?

That is a very small part of the community and it would just leave them skewed on how to reward players for those harder dungeons if anything else.

actually that is a fair point. Do anet design this game for people who make strategies to do dungeons efficiently or for 5 randoms in straight jackets and blindfolds?

I think I know the answer now…

Good question, but everytime when I get to that spot I don’t see the adds anymore.

I guess I am a struggler in berserkers o_o

there is a spot on the left where you are too far for her to hit you but close enough to maintain aggro

yeah, well, expecting people to be literate in this game these days is just… increasingly unrealistic.

Looks like they didn’t tell us how they select the 5 targets. If it is pure rng then those lucky ones that got selected without blocks or evades will still get hit.

Ben Newell.1759:

This has been nicely answered already. We intentionally went with making groups collaborative and open, and we were aware of the potential for abuse. That’s why we implemented the reporting system for it. It was a decision where we decided to trust in our community and make things more powerful and flexible, instead of locking everything up and making it slower/more cumbersome. Honestly, from my experiences using LFG, it seems like this was the right call.

Also, griefing in LFG is not a lot of reward for a lot of risk. It’s just not worth the suspension/ban to cause a minor inconvenience to someone.

how do we report people who joined in the middle of the path (earlier party members dced or left for rl stuff) just to troll and kick the instance opener?

whoever made up those end reward values knows bugger all about dungeons

at least that one put it out there at the start

Rafahil.2857:

wow I finally after so many tries I could finally do it!

omg I got the last boss to 1%hp and got a full group, then suddenly the last person that came kicked me out and I got kicked out of the dungeon……this is not fair!

some white knights are on a rampage recently. Did you see their home server? The ones that kicked us out were from ehmry bay

yeah these elitists called me cheap for using blackberry pies

Harrahou.4518:

Wukunlin.8461:

I’m no sheep, there is a zerker problem.

Actually, race reference, you could be a sheep

I’m no South Island farmer.

Never heard anything about nerfs to lupi

One important thing to consider that a lot of the perceptions are from solo dps (eg, guardians have no warrior buffs) and in dungeons all sorts of buffs can be added to everyone with 5 ppl.

I’m no sheep, there is a zerker problem.

I’m not saying no to this.

back when I was in DB, RPers do exist but they are quite uncommon

Poplolita.2638:

Just click my signature. Just look at that spam. It was during trial. No… go wonder why I’m against it.

LOL

Casmurro.9046:

Harrahou.4518:

a t s e.9614:

Nice job , i tought it was impossible on necro but looks
Like its not .

A t s e, please stop visiting these forums….every post your make is so…just so….

Appearently the [LOD] guild is the owner of the dungeon’s forum. The rest of us need to get their permission to post here. They and a couple of other guilds are the only ones allowed to post bullkitten in this forum.

I am surprised it took that long for someone to say this.

Nilkemia.8507:

Eh, Path 1 isn’t too bad. The only bad things I recall are that annoying ice circle hallway (even with Stability, you’ll still get knocked back by them…why..) and Ginva himself.

stability used to work, looks like they specifically made it so you have to time your stuff…. or just stick on the left side (worked last time I did HotW)

Nilkemia.8507:

It might be just me, but Ginva’s normal swings seem to have a hitbox reaching all around him. Even when I try to attack from behind, I’ll still get hit if I’m anywhere nearby, meaning projectiles are pretty much the only good way to fight him at all.

It’s not hard, just longer than it needs to be.

yeah that cleave is ridiculous, I usually melee and use my blocks or evade frames for every attack and then back off when I run out of those. Just annoying as hell.

This is good

Wethospu.6437:

People wanting content where Berserker sucks should remember that it needs be so hard that they will cry, not just a river, but a huge ocean.

see? It is not global warming that is causing the rise of sea level

haviz.1340:

AntiGw.9367:

Everyone that is used to getting loot without fighting the mobs.

Clueless as ever.

OMG DIS SUPEREORATEH CUMPLAX

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

the few “full berserker” guild members that i party up with before, end up kissing the floor most of the time.

so do you believe ALL players wearing full berserker’s kiss the floor most of the time? (genuine question btw)

Crawford.4135:

Wukunlin.8461:

inb4 the army swarming in and telling you to play for fun and not for loot.

Totally get that, but I, like many other players out there, enjoy going for skins within games. It is what’s fun to me, but not grinding endlessly to never obtain something. I don’t mind work for something I want. I do, however, do mind when I have run Fractals this many times to gain nothing in the end.

By the time someone gets something from something, it’s over before it started. Your time means nothing for something not obtained within a meaningful time.

I like skins, a lot, or I wouldn’t try to make my character different than other players, or go for a unique item. Maybe I am just in the wrong game for that.

yeah RNG is disgusting, RNG^2 in the case of fractal weapons, more so.