Guild Wars 2

Cynz.9437:

Tomiyou.3790:

PvP tutorial would help. Most players in up to gold 2 (included) have no idea what they are doing.

Tutorials are pointless imo. What we need is a simple bot game. They are not as challenging and wouldn’t give much rewards but they are more educational than any wall of text you can think off. I have played quite few games in the past and i found bot games are the best way to learn pvp system and practice in general (OW, LoL have those for example).

I agree we need bot games.

i would have accepted this new victory screen if:

1 Matchmaking

2 Build diversity

u cannot add more fuel to a fire filled with limited build diversity, a kittenton of pug stomping classes and an absolutely kittenty matchmaking which punishes players if they not absolutely hardcarry.

fix this and the trashtaling would be more bearable.

Dragon hunter kinda has a lot of ways it can be played with.

the following build are all viable at different levels but viable

Medi trapper
Burn DH
Core Burn
Marauder symbolic
Symbolic Mender bunker
core medi guard
aegis retaliation

all of these builds are viable in solo queue. If other builds had as much build diversity as guardian then i’m sure no matter the low skill floor we’d see a more even representation. Guardian is simply very fun and fresh to play with.

I agree. Making things easier and including people who do not have the competetive drive regardless of level is not gonna bring in the rewards. those that re just players who play for the rewards are not gonna revitalize the pvp community.

These responses are absolutely Golden lmao xD

1 No deathsrhoud or Reapershroud on necros anymore

2 Consume conditions doesn’t consume conditions anymore but still stacks 25 stacks of all conditions on the player even non intensity stacking conditions become intensity stacking conditions on top of having a 100 percent duraction increase so yeah 25 stacks of chill. Each stack doubles the effect and duration of said condition.

3 Plague signet’s passive absorbs all conditions on from both the players allies and opponents and changes it into super agony. If the user decides to send the uncleansable super agony back to his opponents it sends an automatic 29 k heal on all allies regardless of thier position on the map with 25 stacks of protection, regen, resistance, swiftness,vigor and alarcity. each stack doubles the boons effect

4 Soul marks generate 100 percent class specfi energy for the enemies team that stand on it. all damage and condi damage is reduced by 99 percent

5 Scepter AA 3rd attack will cleanse a condition on the target

in 1 v 1 DH>>Thief

In roaming decap, there is nothing that beats another thief. As thief beats the other classes that can roam rev, mesmer. U can put a scrapper to roam as well but it’s rezzing abilities is needed in teamfights..

Staff is indeed semi viable and not comparable to any of the meta builds. if u wanna make it work u gotta put in the work unfortunately. I definately get what u mean. When i by chance meet a staff ele I honestly don’t even leave the point unless they know how to use thier fields.

Regardless it’s hard to keep the damage consistent.

I used auto target till for long. But honestly it became a liability if i needed to disenage. it took me a few weeks to get used to lack of auto target boi oh boi. appearantly free camera is a thing as well. not sure if i will make the next step but i prolly will be if i want more control in when i’m bieng chased.

condi’s are fine if u give condi cleanses the ability to priortize the most damaging conditions u heavily nerf condi builds which have only 1 or 2 actual damage condis or condi where most damage comes from. u also risk buffing power builds that stack vulnerability or annoying lockdown builds with lots of soft cc and boom all of a sudden u are completely shutdown. there is no condi meta in pvp maby at the beginning of heart of thorns maby. but since pvp season 4 power builds have Always dominated and vastly outnumber the condi builds 2:1 roughly speaking. People are possibly now testing condis due to arcane power to ele and other buffs to certain classes here and there. give it some time and u will see that the meta will stay powerbased for the most of it.

at first i fawned over all of them due to the hype but after the hype dropped i came to realize that it was a bit dissapointing generally speaking.

only the heavy armour gives that awe inspring omg look, it the only armour to wich i will actually turn around to look at and fawn over.

however the light and legendary armour are dissapointing unlike the heavy armour. that a has so much attention to detail an armour that kinda gives me an bhunivelze vibe the helment like balthazars regalia giving an final fantasy 12 Judge vibe.

the light armour is so terrible that u could put it next to an person wearing flamekissed butcape and armour of koda chest armour, u’d think it’s another newly released exotic armour had we not this knowledge, battel form or not, the spikes may make it barely pass for an ascendedn armour. buttcape and chest armour revealing the stomach, which is incredibly sexy i admit but plain and definately not awe inspiring.And I definately know that A-net can differ from the basic buttcape design with the illustrous armour, the triumphant armour, radiant armour etc. The looks are nothing more then comparable to your standard exotic armour. what would have made it an legendary armour is to make the wings effect permanent in battle mode to give it a more imposing presence.

The medium armour is somewhat passable besides it bieng a trenchcoat given the Crystals are neatly melded with the coat and nice armour plate. it kinda looks like an heavy armour but yet gives off the feel that u have a lot more space to move around. it shows that even on clothing u can give it a metallic transcendent feeling without making it your plain exotic trenchcoat. so it’s nice but it doesn’t garner the omg wtf reaction the heavy armour gives.

If somewhere in the future a new set of legendary armour is going to be created, then try make it stand out. U can opt for a simple design without making it bulky as I understand heavy armour has more options but clearly the past showed that even light and medium armour can look imposing and flashy in thier own way.

i did some testing again and holy crap that kitten works incredibly well if u pull it off. People litterally melt in seconds. I use full shouts aside from arcane power+earth arcane tempest as well but go with soldier runes+cleansing and purification. it has such an amazing co-ordinated burst that this might actually end up working once somebody figures out the correct meta build. I’m not sure it will open a build option but this might be the biggest chance we get to actually having some resemblance of build diversity. the only problem is the lack of heals but otherwise with a bit of skills this works amazing.

Like wolfric i’m also looking in a possible way to buff my condi hybrid tempest. I think that this would allow for an massive, condi burst build at the cost of extreme squishyness.

Hope somebody finds a breakthrough and if possible very soon.

fingers crossed.

thanx for clearing it up

have played a few matches with earth,arcane and tempest and sage amulet by god it really is a gimmick but a by god kitten strong gimmick, it absolutely kittens kitten up. Like I’m not kidding. I do notice however that the lack of water traitline definately makes it a lot less sustainable against conditions. I’d argue that the removal of water makes it more a bruiser role but it still has the sustain to take a 1 v 1 atleast. I’m gonna do some more experimenting and maby try something with a pure condi build or condi hybrid. but so far i haven’t written it out yet.

sorry I don’t recognize the symbols. what are they actually called?

with the new sigils, aoe daze and pistol thiefs, mesmers prolly have more chances to steal boons. this is just my initial toughts right after the patch but I think there might be a thing to maby seeing more interupt builds or builds that may have increased effectivness in combating boons. and this is not thief only.

just my 2 cents.

Anti-meta build

That sounds kinda cool to be honest.

What is an Anti-Meta Build? And what makes it different from an hardcounter in among the currently existing meta builds?

The meta is decently balanced but poor buildiversity.

to elaborate. it’d be incredibly awsome if the build diveristy of all classes was equal tot that of guardians. I’m happy that guardians have access to symbolic,meditrapper and condi builds. With 3 different major strengths and difference in game.

That doesn’t mean that they are all equal as meditrapper reigns supreme still but the other two are viable altenatives which u can rate decently high in ranked.

Warrior is not bad either with build diversity. U can run power, macebow for sustain condi and ragezerker for high condi burst, U can even run hybrid with destroyers and or carrion hybrid infact destroyers was used by tarcis and obindo used in the tournament of groucheroo.

The balance is decent. And I do think that slowly more build diveristy is coming. aka power necro came back well relatively recently. and u can argue that dagger/pistol staff is decent as Now apply the build diversity of warrior and guardians to revs, ele, druids,necro.

light, heavy or mid armour means nothing. your pure defensive stats matter little anymore. what matters is damage modifiers, class counters, passives etc.

no

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How many people were uneducated about what this entails? Not everybody who posts at the forum votes nessisarily. players ingame are given a link when they start a game to polls as well.

U could argue the same was the case for the yes or no to team solo que only option.

awsome rewards without fixing making the game more attractive will be nothing but a temporarily solution.

U actually need to build up the base from both sides of the spectrum. build the competetive scene which thanx to the tournament of groucheroo showed they are definately quite a few teams that could A either already enter pro leagues or could get there with a bit of practice.

People actually wanna like to play pvp for what it is first and rewards which are important i understand second.

look what happend when rewards were limited in season 6 and a-net implemented any tiny bit of a faisafe to make it a bit more competetive.

The want has to be there.

jennah’s power is definately way more then i’ve ever seen. I can understand things like bloodstone or another external magic source. But then again logan has massive magic power as well. his shield did defend against a quite massive explosion of the giatn earth elemental in the tutorial mode.

So it’s not impossible i guess. but yeah jennah is on a completely different scale. technically the more impressive part is maintaing that massive barrier against damage and sustaining it. I figure the barrier went down after u defeated caudacus. but to do that your pc had to help in the battle at lake doric and prepare for an raid at caudecus castle. so even doing this for 10 minutes is incredibly kittening impressive.

it would be a temporary solutioni

ideally elite specs powerwise have to be equal with core but assuming they wanna make some money and value pve over pvp which they do.

Then must absolutely and I mean absolutely not make the new elite specs anymore powerfull then the curren ones!!!

That is the best thing they could comprise on to increase build diveristy.

If elite spec=core is a no go

Then for the love of god and all that is holy and good in this world. Do not make them more powerfull then the current elite specs. Please do not make firebrand more powerfull then DH. Also do not create elite specs with a role almost 100 percent similar to it’s previous class.

When u make berserkers which are warriors in an enraged state as another option.

Or daredevils who are bassically more agile thiefs.

then due to the similarity of the role there is nothing else they could then buff it.

if A-net keeps them on par with the hot elite specs we will have increased build diveristy.

The Greyhawk.9107:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

That’s rather subjective. Many believe that there is honor is fighting and dying to protect ones home and people against aggressors. War isn’t always about two equally malicious sides trying to destroy each other. War is never really a good thing, but sometimes it can be a just thing. “Evil prevails when good men do nothing” sort of thing.

And it still brings the absolute worst out of people. U don’t need to be equally malicious folks to have a war. Look at the second world war, heck look at the first, look at several civil wars, look at the rebellions against the tsars in Russia.

Just because war is nessiary doesn’t make it a honorable crusade. U can have war. I’m not against that. But acting like it’s an honorable crusade is nonsensical.

I honestly think people are going a bit too deep in it. Just look at our character. He/she is incredibly kittening hot/handsome/kitten or cute character who is also an born tactical genius, that just gets leaderships positions shoved in his/her hands and does it flawlessly. Fear is almost non-existent. Heck even marjory actually flirts with your character despite bieng in a relationship. So u got massive game as well. Heck u are practically a perfect hero.

We need side characters who actually freak out. Our character was even more indifferent then canach in the face of the kittening god of war. Heck it gave zero kittens litterally lmao.

Balthazar appears
PC: So u are the litterall god of war? Fight me IRL bro.

Me: -_-

MyPuppy.8970:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

MyPuppy.8970:

Maybe it is just me, but from my experience some professions tend to be saltier than others. It would be interresting to study players profiles according to their favorite class. Tell me what you play, i’ll tell who you are.

Ralkuth.1456:

Naw, it’s just that sometimes we try too hard to have fun. While everyone can get what they want in PvE, half will always win/lose in PvP.

You go into a PvP game accepting that you might lose and the way to salvage that loss is to learn from your mistakes. But you also have the desire to win, over your peers.

We can of course examine gaming from a distant perspective and declare that we are feeling entitled while in luxury. But PvPers can be a greedy bunch. And when we can’t satisfy that greed, we turn to (oh the rage) escape mechanisms. And those can be entertaining in itself.

Yes, you pointed the right word: greed That’s just what turns this world so mad. There is good greed though. The greed to become better, a better player, or a better individual.

intersesting. Is it based on what class one mains or do u also take in account seconds and third classes. Well anyways

Main Class: Elementalist
Second: Warrior
Third: Druid

What profile do i fall in?

I think you’re an open minded guy. You like to try to discover new possibilities and you are not bound by… not sure of the english word for… bias? You’re mostly a team player even though you like challenging yourself. You are quite charismatic and willing to lead if the need comes. People think of you as someone reliable, and they trust you because you acknowledge your own mistakes, and your own limits. But you are humble and willing to improve. You’re the type to believe only what he sees and feels by himself. What rune describes you? Rune of the adventurer. Gosh I should make a crappy facebook test.

That’s not half bad.

Things u got right.

>Teamplayer
>Charisma(mostly IRL but i have confidence issues sometimes)
>Open minded
>likes a challenge
>acknoledges limits and mistakes
>willing to improve(sometimes stress causes me to be incredibly hard on myself)
>Believes what he sees and feels

U got almost all of it right.

GG

Well he is right. there is no honor in war. Believing there is honor in war is nothing more then a fabricated lie to justify slaughter. It’s no different then justice partly bieng a brushed up version of vengeance.

For balthazar to understand this makes me respect him as a character. He truly knows the essence of war. He truly deserves his title.

So we come to find out that balthazar isn’t at full power more hence we were able to look at him when the grand reveal happend? I wonder what happend to Baltazar god of war that caused him to lose a large portion of his powers, so that he needs to absorb the power of primordus to the point that he really didn’t even care if it ended up destroying kryta.

How did he lose his power. what do u guys think?

just killed the boss. wasn’t so hard(died 3 times) but gokitten it sure as hell was annoying. I for love of it couldn’t kittening see where my mouse was going with all the kittening clutter on my screen while commanding ground targetted skill for Dwaynas sake! and gokitten the cameara made it abit hard in the air as well. still not as annoying as that cancerous caudecus. Theses bosses difficulty to me comes from the kittening design flaws itself. I guess I need a new mouse pointer Arrow on screen that makes kitten more clear so that i know what i’m point at right now.

I hope this doesn’t become a trend in where the movement settings and way u percieve the gamedon’t work properly with the endboss

Caudecus-kittenty camera movement
Balthazar-can’t see my kittening mouse Arrow
Living world episode 6 boss-some dumb glitch occurs, where u can’t see your own character.

watch it happpen.

thank dwayna that i cleared this boss.

MyPuppy.8970:

Maybe it is just me, but from my experience some professions tend to be saltier than others. It would be interresting to study players profiles according to their favorite class. Tell me what you play, i’ll tell who you are.

Ralkuth.1456:

Naw, it’s just that sometimes we try too hard to have fun. While everyone can get what they want in PvE, half will always win/lose in PvP.

You go into a PvP game accepting that you might lose and the way to salvage that loss is to learn from your mistakes. But you also have the desire to win, over your peers.

We can of course examine gaming from a distant perspective and declare that we are feeling entitled while in luxury. But PvPers can be a greedy bunch. And when we can’t satisfy that greed, we turn to (oh the rage) escape mechanisms. And those can be entertaining in itself.

Yes, you pointed the right word: greed That’s just what turns this world so mad. There is good greed though. The greed to become better, a better player, or a better individual.

intersesting. Is it based on what class one mains or do u also take in account seconds and third classes. Well anyways

Main Class: Elementalist
Second: Warrior
Third: Druid

What profile do i fall in?

@

Blaquefyre

Way to have the point go over your head. First of all. I don’t play GS mace burst or any build that uses arc divider so that is one. I main ele and even then I hardly play auramancer but fresh air or staff.

I was caught off guard, then proceeded to win every matchup easily against same thief. But ofcourse bieng caught offguard once and winning everything else means an example of bad bieng bads. that is two

Tree: I never simply asked for nerfs. I asked for A-net to either A change or remove gimmicky builds like this to make the entry level more acceptable. Or at the very least inform players. Point bieng is that A-net needs to reach out

And yes I know it has huge kittening tells and how telegraphed it is. that is not the kittening point. it’s for new players. New players are not gonna look at kittening punish frames when they themselves haven’t even properly learned how to dodge properly or even more still need to find thier ideal button set-up. U litterally got nothing of what I said.

Nobody and thier kittening mother from A-net will tell new players what u just told me. They go find that out for themselves. I’m against no unnesisary nerfs. for anything that might beat me. It doesn’t affect me, as a veteran I’m aware that kitten such as class counters exist, that conquest and mechanical skill is a continuous work in progress. I want A-net to do 1 of the following things. give enough knowledge to new players just like u told me on how to face entry level builds. Or 2 change the very nature of entry level builds which might include nerfs to make place for newere entry level builds wich might even have a higher skill floor and as compensation a higher skill ceiling. So that u don’t stupid kitten like full trap meditrappers 1 oneshotting heavy warrior classes like this.

Look what kitten like this also contributes too among other factors to the pvp population. We litterally have a skill that can be used multiple times that can hit for like 9k or even higher. Against new players who A either barely know how to dodge, B barely know to click thier active defences. We’ve seen it on helseths streams when he disproved elo hell. And u think we should do absolutely nothing?

Just have this incredibly fast meta and throw new players for the lions den. Because Gold tier 2 and up get it? We need new blood. We need investment from A-net to bring more players and not just pve players with rewards. U cannot have kitten like this go unnoticed if u don’t even want to properly invest time in upping the average level of a playerbase. U cannot have kitten like this exist and stay completely silent. If u don’t want to nerf it, then take the responsibility to invest in the average level of the pvp community. Notice that my gripe mainly is with the silence and the build second.

I want more players. I don’t want to see golds vs legends. I don’t want platinum vs silvers etc. I want an active pvp community. This kitten scares new players off.

And before u come here and tell me that u were some special snowflake that was already gold level when u first touched pvp. Well good for you. That makes u rare and enjoy your talent in that case. I don’t care for that. Most new players don’t.

Varron.4291:

Perhaps we could look on it as a tier spread, instead? So Gold 3 can verse people +/-1 tier (Ex: Gold 3 can verse gold 2, 3, plat 1)?

+/-2 after a long queue time with no possible matches (ex: 5-10 mins), etc?

Cause the difference between a gold 3 and a gold 1 versing a plat is extremely noticeable, lol.

I’d argue that the +1—1 only applies with higher divisions.

Bronze tier to silver tier u can allow for a wider spread as it is really the same kind of players. It’s not as complicated as gold division, with gold bassically bieng in the same boat as ruby from previous seasons where u had an incredibly wide spread of several skill levels..

silver tier 3( maby) is where u will see ok these players are not newbies anymore. I’d say from silver tier 3 maby gold tier 1 where the +1 -1 spread should begin in

I’d say that staff is definately underestimated after watching the guide and practicing . After extensive testing in duels, I can hold my own surprisingly well against the majority of classes so far. with the only hardcounter that actually stomps me bieng chronophantasma shatter on that build. to be fair I’d argue that there are more counters but it isn’t so that u cannot engage and still make a win. I do agree that having a staff build is definately a handicap dps wise even with access to burst. it’s incredibly hard to get a competent player to stand still for a moment even with myself as bait. the stability, stunbreak and resistance to soft cc such as crippled, chill is mainly the culprit here.

Also after figthing staff eles myself on different classes. I’d argue that the entry level is also incredibly high it’s why u rarely see players touching that with an infinitely long pole. to hold your ground at first u need to master a few basic combos. And I’d argue that having a gaming mouse is practically nessisary with all these ground targeting skills. Fighting other staff ele who don’t stand in thier fields and simply espect meteor shower to do the job get punished hard and honestly can be ignored and when u do look at them the most they can do is run away as they don’t know how to apply pressure while keeping distance.

But I’d take Jeffersons word for it having tried this myself. Competent staff eles besides the handicap are not goign to be beaten down so easily.

I still got much to learn but I believe there to be a bit of truth in Jeffersons words.

can confirm. I took a 10.022 k vault on my ragezerker(no rousing resiliance and viper amulet). I got caught by surprise. But otherwise i stomped the little critter rest of the match.

But yeah vault spammers are in the same boat as DH to some extent. gimmick builds with insane punishment would just annoy new players. I used to think that all these balance complaints was just kitten. But honestly it’s a perspective thing.

Gw2 is not at all friendly to new players. Atm the meta has a suck it up or kitten off mentality. 9 to 10 k vaults which are spammable are not fun for the new player.

Aside from a lack of tutorial. Builds like these will just scare away new players. Gw2 was and is a dynamic game that is practically very evolved with’s combat. amongst mmrpgs’s the combat is comparable to that of current action/dungeon rpg games like darksouls, finalfantasy 13, ff 15 kingdomhearts(action rpg) Which it should be commended for. I will say it again. reach out to new players A-net. put enough effort into the pvp community to justify gimmicky easy starter classes/builds or change the starter classes playstyle to make it less gimmikcy or scale down damage on every class. so no 5 traps, dragonsmaw/procession of blades mumbo jumbo, no dagger/dagger thief kitten. New players actually need to enjoy themselves first to get into the game which means having them win and feel that thier efforts matter. Making builds or allowing for such builds that are at that level hopeless and even insulting to fight against. trollbuilds practically is not the way to go.

Imagine playing pokemon and litterally every motherkittener and thier mother has a wobbufet in the beginning level with counter or mirrocoat in the beginning it’s not fun. yes u can say: just use sandstorm, poison, burn, screech or some other kitten which are TM’s u have to get by actually going in some cave without flash to progress further. That’s absolutely insane. Or atleast tell the player that with every npc he talks with or his proffesor that he ought to go to some mystery cave first and give the player some basic potions and tips to navigate the cave.

U can still have a competetive system in which u somewhat alter the learning curve or atleast influnce the learning curve so that we don’t get kitten like 9 to 10 k vaults stomping players with them bieng unable to do anything against is because honestly that is the most frustrating, the constant hopelessness of facing enemy or odds that u can’t beat with nobody there to help.

but legend also kittens on gold. Honestly even platinum can be argued to kitten on gold. the realistic gold tier 3 could be matched with platinum tier 1, maby platinum tier2 but that is a bit of a stretch..

The thing is a low gold division player is way different then somebody who is gold tier 3.

DH’s issue will never resolve itself unless A-net actually tries to invest in this game competetive scene. DH is a low skill floor class which is needed for new players to get into the game, just like warrior. DH wrecks new people but at the same time the moment an average or beyond average player gets into a 1 v 1 with a DH u will completely see how helpless the player is as well. It’s so ridiculous that the investment in the competetive scene of gw2 has been so lackluster. yes they tried. And yes they made some improvements with adding a leaderboard and league system but it doesn’t stop there. U need tournaments with different skill brackets. Not only semi pro league and pro league, U need tutorials, small description of the current meta builds with it’s pros and cons. practice against bots. Because people don’t get to learn kitten from the game itself they have to look for it elsewhere or with guilds, or from streamers who more often then not are already far beyond average and thus discuss more complex tactics and strategies. It’s because of kitten like this. People in silver division are still learning the bare basics and at low gold seem to have rough understanding. I’m aware gold is like division with large difference in it. But wouldn’t it be awsome if people at silver division already knew the bare basics? and wouldn’t go 4 on 1? or double cap? Wouldn’t it be awsome if the new player knew how to deal with DH at it’s basics or atleast knew not to stand in traps? wouldn it be awsome if u atleast had some basic understanding of the game the moment u started with leagues? It doesn’t have to be perfect but gokitten , that would be awsome.

But as I said before a new sheep gets thrown in the lions den in a powercreeped meta where kitten like toughness and vitality have a severely decreased importance in migitating damage but instead it’s dependent passives for the most and the push of certain key skills. Which means that major slip ups done by a new player espically if focused down can get u killed. Because these numbers in the middle of your screen will dwindle in an instant. It’s insane that this is still an issue. Just look at how a new player would look at stats. they try out new amulets and runes on different classes and they will see that the high end of armour is around 3000. they will think: Wow so 3k armour huh? that’s pretty neat. they will come to realise that 22 k hp and more is a pretty large healthpool. only to realize that these numbers on thier own mean jackshit even if used together. Because all these damage multipliers, might and crits is completley unknown to them, when they still get picked apart by thief or Dragonsmaw, procession of blades combo,u actually need kitten like protection. But they don’t know that yet.

DH is a started class that powered up with the powercreep and thus. U cannot have the community do all of the work in building an competetive playerbase.

I’m entirely sure that if more knowledge was thrown around from a-net itself espically when focusing on starter classes like warrior and guardian. the overbearing presence of DH will decrease drastically.

Otherwise u will keep having that divide of new players calling dh op and even some average players calling DH trash. It’s litterally an perspective issue were both points are valid.

DH is extremely punishing. the least u can do is prepare players for what is to come.

legendary armour in pve or raids is fine. It’s gear tailored for that very game-mode. I don’t get why pvp’ers or wvw’er or pve’ers need every reward from all game-modes while not actually playing said game-mode. Each game-mode has thier specific set of rewards u get for your effort.

There is one thing i disagree with and thatis that people who got the ascension in pvp couldn’t solely aquire it through pvp alone. that was kinda a kitten move.

can’t see a quote option with u directly

@ ragnarox

As to answer your question vaans played warrior for years as caed said and even played it well before adrenal health buff came into play. And no not every newbie can 1v X with warrior or we wouldn’t have so many people crying about other classes on the forums. It doesn’t even make sense. how are u the average or standard player when u yourself constantly win 1 v X? how does this even make sense to say. Heck how in the world aren’t ESL players stomping 1 v X cassually on warrior if it was so OP easily and regularly? Vaanss and everybody else of cake walk and zen earned thier skill level by putting in effort, Some with less or more time invested dependent on their talent, growth rate, skill floor and skill of the class. U can look for the evidence of vaans right in this season. Heck if warrior was op braindead then vaans would be number 1 but he isn’t friggin thief and mesmer are numbers 1 and 2.

Vaans and co are good and deserve to be credited for that.

Yes warrior is easy, DH is easy and are classes with a low skill floor that gives u advantages iniatilly but that is where it stops when experience and effort come in. but that is really is. trust me. those people u beat are more often average players or maby even better. it makes no sense for average players to do the 1 v X just because builds. Cake walk doesn’t consist solely of warriors, it has power mesmers, thiefs. Heck zen even has vidieos of zodin still winning fights with core mediguardians. heralds. these pros use all classes. And can prove it in pvp where there is litterally no class/build advantage. heck sindrerer who also plays with cake is currently top eu player.

Even if u played warrior at first. experience and talent also play a factor. the average player u come across is not gonna do what u did and certainly not cake, zen .

They can prove it in pvp. U can litterally look at the pvp leaderboard and see vaanss in top 10 and sindrener on number 1(might be number 2 if metrix wins games)

I just don’t find that one should devalue a clear difference in skill as solely builds or everybody and thier mother would have a roughly very even odds of winning thier duels not counting hard counters.

As for u Ragnarox. U litterally are a hater that added nothing constructive here at all, other then using the most cliche excuse ever done in a competetive game and that is blame the build/class/weapon. to completely and utter ignore all talent, effort and skill, with the same excuse of a build. Even when there is litterally a game-mode where builds+stats are equalized, U still persist in not crediting their well earned skill level. And u tell me to grow up? U are the one who uses the most cliche excuse in gaming history.

I know u are joking. I liked the vid. And I comment your skill.
If u agree with class/build abuse bieng the sole reason these people are better besides everybody else having access to said builds, besides the very same people revealing the same builds they use for everybody else to see on thier vids, besides them interacting with the offical guild wars 2 forums putting a link to thier vids. Besides some of thier members actually participating in pvp and ranking higher where stats are builds and all alike have even more increased chances of bieng exact copies. Then yes u would be wrong. Ofcourse builds matter. But the average joe doesn’t just outnumber 1 v X like u did and thus u should be credited for your skill as well. The argument like ragnarox presented completely devalues the effort and time put in. as if them and players alike not doing 1 v 1’s in pvp was never a factor.

‘’They are not pro because they abuse the most broken class in wvw like everyone else. And like everyone else, And as I said like everyone else, they are not pro for figthing other players outnumbered who are as I just said, everyone else who also abuse the most broken class,like everyone else, but noes they aren’t proz, they are just like everyone else. Heck chek that, Who cares that there is another game mode where Vaans is ranked top 10 eu in where people are even more like everyone else and like everyone else they abuse the most broken classes and builds even more like everyone else, all stats bieng like everyone else to the very rune, trait, sigl and amulets.

Oh i forgot to say. Like everyone else.

Most cancerous boss fight I’ve ever come across. And I’ve played dark souls 1 and 2. And not from a difficult standpoint. I have no qualms from a difficulty point of view but I absolutely hate it from a design point of view.

>The room is small as kitten. the kittening camera worked against me god knows how many kittening times.

>constant mobs+ aoe every in that crowded room is insane

How the kitten do u cram such an powerfull boss+mobs in such small room to the point that even the kittening camera doesn’t know what to do? it’s like a kittening troll boss. It’s not kittening hard it’s simply poor design.

I maby could take the crowded room+mobs+aoe but atleast make it so that the kittening camera works properly. THE kittenING CAMERA, JESUS kittenING CHRIST! The kittening camera!!

after dieng like 11 times on my pve build. I went wvw build and destroyed that kittening troll boss easily. I by god hope that I never come across such an troll boss.

first things first. thanx mrjefferson. insanely good guide. I learned so much. I made a few changes to my own staff ele for it to fit my style(personally not really a fan of the conjures but that’s on me u have proven they are definately worth it) Are there any plans for making a guide based on the most recent meta? i’m eager to learn more.

@pro

Fresh Air core ele perfectly describes the issues described in the op.

This is just a bit of a rant really venting my frustration
aren’t you just sometimes getting tired of all the kittening rocket science u have to apply when creating or attempting any non meta ele build for pvp or wvw? like i have to kittening solve some kind of unresolved math problem.

Personally for me to create a viable alternative i have to litterally go to some kind of infinite maze just give it sustain so that it cannot be oneshotted and even then the sustain is still so mediocore that u have to kite like royalty to win a fight. u can never create an ele build that doesn’t have one glaring weakness that is exploitable. it’s always i’ve got to compromise this or compromise that to make it workable. if i want to give it enough sustain against pure power damage on pair withthe meta build. U have to sacrifice either a good deal of dps or condi cleanse. That would be acceptable if this was pre hot times where builds had more glaring weaknesses. It’s so ridiculous.

Honestly with warrior provided u are smart enough and mechanically a better u can make quite a few alternative builds that can reach platinum tier one or fight at low platinum levels.

Guardian has Meditrapper, symbolic avenegers, symbolics menders, core burn guard, dh burn guard, meditations builds.

and why does guardian have so many variations? because the bulk of it’s sustain lies in 1 traitline.

same with warrior. only defence is mandatory. Heck I even kittening created viable power and condi druid builds that i have my druid main test and it kittening works. weird thing is. I don’t even kittening play druid.

Heck mesmer has thanx to chronomancer so many active defences, gap openers. that u could go full dps and not even require inspriation.

etc. Why the kitten is ele sustain spread over kittening 3 traitlines+rune of the soldier+healing power? why is it earth for raw defence, water for condi cleanse, tempest for additional healing?

Man so frustrating. But it get worse. we all have the sigil proposisetion thread in where they are going to drastically reduce avaialble sigils which will hurt non meta builds more then meta build. And I know for a fact that when the next major balance patch comes after waiting for so many months. they are just gonna do some stupid cd reduction on skills u hardly use.

Something I kittening wonder how kittening hell it would be to play an fresh air ele or any kittening power build in a pvp match on a completely flat surface with nothing to hide against. It’d be kittening hell. because your sustain sure as hell will not suffice without kiting and jumping puzzles.

Jesus kittening christ.

I understand that u might not respond to this thread as i’m ranting but gokitten i needed to get this of my chest.

revenant was Always a broken class that didn’t work with itself on a technical level espically annoying bugs like bieng stuck in a wall however the massive dps and the ability to bunker bust made it passable enough that the equivelant of silver players could actually use it half decently with emphasis on half decently. not kitten but not amazing either. then they absolutely kitten on revenant dps and all of it’s troubles wich weren’t fixed got more visiable to the point that u will see only a few golds actually winning thier 1 v 1’s and not dying by the first and best focus in a teamfight. the nerves made it an high skill floor build which i could accept, if the class was one coherent logical class and not a bugridden nonsensical pile of rubbish that is broken in the most literal sense of the word to the point that only somewhat of above average and better players know how to handle that thing. the reason for the high skill floor is wrong. it’s like any elementalist that tries to use anything else then support.

suprisingly tanky considering it is a burn dh, I do have to admit that your build does quite a good job with the cover conditions looking at the video. Not sure if the actual burst is higher then the standard burn DH or even equal at all but gokitten nice sustain, Having played burn DH and core burn guard. I’d argue that this one is better in teamfights and can take part in more duels. I’d say this is a nice build and deservers to go past the test phase and be on good rating atleast imo. very well balanced in short. kudos.

Because it works fine in pve. in pvp u have even less options other then trying really hard and make a subpar build that can work provided u outskill your opposition. Sustain without healing power is non existent if u go for a damaging role, and since it’s armour is low u get kittened without protection. low armour, no healing power but somehow has a large portion of it’s sustain dependent on healing power. Sometimes I just don’t get why they make a class so kittening dependent on healing power for it’s sustain but then remove every kittening amulet that could potentially bring it in another role at comparable levels to the other great and meta builds. Man any power ele that doesn’t know how to kite regardless of thier builds get kittened up. U can fight a motherkittener for several minutes on end. u slip up once and u get kittened over by litterally auto attacks. so there is only one build comparable to the builds we have now and that is auramancer.

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I’m pretty sure it’s Aang

U win the thread mate.

+9000 on this. Aang ftw

But now that we need him most, he’s gone.

It kinda hurst me in the feels since it’s a perfect metaphor for the ele community and lack of build diveristy in pvp.

Aang where are u? the 4 attunments need u to unite us and lead us into the mists.