Guild Wars 2

Had a downed guardian rally for no reason its cost the node take I had him beat rally up his help came and it turned into a 2 v 1 I dropped his thief buddy but could not stomp he healed the thief 2 v 1 again and I finally died.

Hate the downstate when I get sick of pvp it normally has to do with downing people in a 2 v 1 situation yet losing anyway due to down state.

Guild Wars and all MMOs success is due to PvE content.

With that out of the way, a good PvP system will help a game.

Geewoody.2017:

Xom.9264:

There are builds and classes that can not be killed 1 v 1 in WoW also.

And WoW is just a super great game that the GW2 community doesn’t have an extreme dislike for, right?

GW2 pvp community is what a few hundred people, WoWs pvp community is 10s of thousands. Also DAoC if you like always had dueling UO had dueling etc etc etc.

GW1 in its prime of pvp was in a market before LoL Dota GW1 pvp died early WoW arenas is still going strong. Adapt or die, dueling is a must arena is a must like it or not the majority of pvpers expect it and you handful of GW1 rabid fanboys are going to kill this games pvp if you pretend it does not matter.

Real PvP is not pug stomping and endless farming if there are not rated games rated arenas matchmaking thats not tied to stupid farming this games PvP will amount to nothing but casual side game with a small community farming each other thinking they are good at pvp.

There are builds and classes that can not be killed 1 v 1 in WoW also. No one cares people just avoid dueling those people and test their skills against classes that fill the same role as thiers.

It sharpens skills helps you learn other classes quickly it builds a pvp community in a zone that is currently silent MIST.

Arenas should be the highest priority. Capture the node is not fun most people tend to hate those kinds of game modes it was the least played mode in GW1 and once arenas came out in WoW the numbers clearly showed people liked arena alot more then the existing capture the node content.

Arenas a single game mode turned WoW into nothing more then a PvE game into a legit PvP game with a huge PvP population and the arena side is still going strong.

What i find confusing is I think GW1 modes that had capture to win were the least played and most hated. Perhaps im wrong and all the GW1 fans liked capture mode the best maybe thats why its the only mode in GW2.

dueling is in ever good MMO I have played,

1 v 1 arena however is a stupid idea, /duel fight it out in the MIST while waiting for tourny ques to pop. Great way to pass time for PvPers

I have never seen what the OP is claiming, one case I suspected it but hardly gamebreaking.

If it really is happening all the time please make a vid and show us.

Khyras.8021:

Example: few days ago there was a bug in swtor making your companion not benefit from equipment bonuses after you summon him.That bug was fixed within 24 hours.Here, they cannot fix a game breaking bug and it has been a month since it appeared.Moreover, this is not first time that bug has occurred. And i am ignorant for criticizing ? Are you kidding me? Its time to put some pressure on these people, my respect for A-net is gone,

Well swtor was one of the worst released games I have ever seen glad they finally got caught up with the bugs. Anet release was one of the best I have seen and we can look forward to it being a great game when the bugs are fixed because it has a great foundation. swtor was built on a terrible foundation old gameplay and combat you would expect in a 8 year old MMO.

Cant buff defensive stats because thief burst(and other burst) is out of control then other classes would never have a hope of killing anyone outside of condition specs.

MindlessRuff.1948:

Obviously you will see more thieves in hotjoin matches, they are the “assassin” class

No if things were balanced you would see more rangers its a class that get played at ton in MMOs. Rogues/assassin are not nearly as played as warrior and ranger types unless there is a major power balance issue

Yeah I used to think Eng were better bunkers but as I played more it was just because I did not run into many good guardians and most eng are decent players.

A well played guardian is the better bunker however Eng are better bunkers in a team fight imo.

Arena is needed 3v3 and up.

1v1 /duel command in the mist done.

There is no one that can claim to be a top pro player in GW2 because there is not a rated system and the population is low that actual do paids.

I look at the people claiming to be pro players and as people in WoW that thought they were good farming unrated bgs (same as Tpvp) when rated arenas came out the vast majority of them never did well.

Capture the point, I lead the top team on my server alliance side for a bit in WoW. Other then one or two of people out of 20 rotating players they were just average however we worked as a team communicating well. We faced much better individual players many alot better then myself however we always won because of how we communicated as a team.

When arenas came out deathmatch style rated matches the majority of the top capture the points players amounted to nothing because it depended on small scale individual skill first and communication second.

Capture the node depends on communication first individual skill second, all you need is a good leader calling tactics based on the information incoming and a team will do well individual skill can even be on the low side but that does not matter in capture the flag game modes.

If you think you are a top GW2 Tpvp player its likely you are not good at all unless you have been top in other MMO/Games like WoW arena or GW1 gold trim when people actually played the game.

Yeah I see walls and walls of text yet no amount of typing is going to change the data/facts.

If necro was a solid pvp class it would be used in more Tpvp teams. Necros currently are not a good pvp class if you goal is to be part of a winning team you will need to play something else or hurt your team.

If you just PvE/WvW and Spvp time to time any class you enjoy will do just fine..

If you are a casual player perhaps you should just ignore people asking for balance in a game mode you dont even play instead of making posts saying how every Tpvp is bad at necros and even tho you dont Tpvp you know they are bad because you kill mobs in pve with really strong well builds.

Sheobix.8796:

If i had one wish for christmas, it would be for all the sour necro players who claim the class sucks to just stop posting their negative comments in the forums and just let it be known that there is already a well organized bug thread, and a company filled with passionate developers who actually do treat GW2 like their latest crowning achievement.

we’re not even 4 months in… give it a rest. Use the strong parts of the necro. And if you can’t find the strong parts, don’t play it. Because it is just too much of a hands-on class to play for you.

You need to understand the people that complain are hardcore pvpers, not talking casually doing spvp or wvw. If you play casual you just wont notice the imbalance or you might notice them but be able to overcome them due to spvp being so casual if you have a few bad games no big deal.

If you are a champion phantom owning it up in tpvp with dedicated team and a great win rate, hats off to you then your a great player.

leman player-customer expectations are higher then I have ever seen, the instant gratification generation demand everything be done exactly as they say and done right now! Its fine to try and get the things you want implemented its another just to cry, so if you are going to make vague QQ posts take your ball and go then.

Demanding transparency from a game developer…. lol ok, if these people spent 1/8th the effort demanding the same of their Governments the world would be a much better place.

Anet has already said and proved they are working on it, calm the kitten down play another game for a bit come back in a few months or do some pve/wvw whatever it takes to stop you from being such dicks.

Jasher.6580:

Cogbyrn.7283:

@Jasher: Correct, they weren’t very good.

Conveniently all the people I decided to play against were bad. How convenient. lol

Yeah same when I’m on my Thief everyone I play against is bad, when Im on my Necro is when I run into decent players. When I play ranger is when I run into the pros all the time.

Funny how that works.

I am worried higher ups at Anet have their short sighted money grabbing hands too deep into GW2, and might kill the game losing all the potential long term profits.

GW1 model was solid I like GW2 but they created a systems that works against themselves or their players with the Gems I see the potential for massive errors on the part of Anet, paying to play any content with Gems even if there are other ways to play that content is going to blow up in Anets face.

I have paid for Gems for bank space bag slots some skins however I will never give gems to pvp ever. Ill enjoy GW2 pve and wvw while I skip the tpvp.

You two really dont understand there is no “PvP” crowd other then a very small existing population thats getting smaller?

I dont PvE much in games but I know the PvE crowd is the population that keep PvP going a large portion of PvEers in all games play PvP at least casual very few people I have ever seen in all my MMO gaming truly only PvP and the majority of people I have PvPed with or against spend most their game time doing PvE.

There is nothing Anet can do to help the population if there is no connection to PvE and WvW.

Thats how it got into the discussion…. its the reality of the situation for a pvp MMO to have a population the PvEers need a reason to PvP.

Also with no population even if you are big fish its nothing worth bragging about being in a small pool. It meant more to be a Big fish in WoW arena because it pulled from hundreds of thousands of players that did arena mostly PvE folks but they did/do Arenas time to time keeping a healthy population.

Thats your opinion, tpvp teams number of necros used would not agree with your opinion.

That said with Mesmer and Guardian nerf with the minor fixes to necros, necros are more useful. Its not a terrible class if thief burst gets the tone down and some other burst does then necros might be a viable strat used by more teams.

Poor thiefs dont understand game mechanics.

Prema 25% run speed boost + dropping out of combat at will = best mobility in the game without giving up a single thing (dont even need the shortbow)

Thiefs have the best in combat mobility and are far from slow out of combat… other classes must use multiple weapons or utilities to get a prema +33% speed boost…. a Thief can outdue that with signet and short bow.

Seems fine to me because once a glass cannon ele is in the fight he is in it for good live or die usually die because even if he dropped a target he better hope its a 1 v 1 to get the stomp else he will die to teamates in seconds.

Thief however can get out the second things turn south. Or just stealth stomp the one person he killed then get out.

Ele burst is not even close to the same as a thief.

Nope I dont play ele, thief needs a tone down in burst.

None of the things here will work because there is zero reason for the PvE and WvW players to ever pvp. Not the same game no connection at all.

Naw they need spvp armor and weapons to be tied into pve sets or spvp/tpvp will die.

PvE players and casuals and WvW types have zero reason to do pvp right now.

I really hate to be one of those GW1 is better but there are a few things they did smart in that game. Your PvE char could step into pvp with your elite pve skins and dyes. You could also farm z-keys to get skins/drops for your pve chars.

It not a good thing that a team is all blue or all red and the pve gear you worked for cant be used in PvP….. Think it does not matter? think again this is an MMO the vast majority of people like putting work into at least one toon and using that toon in PvP time to time.

GW2 is not one game right now its this good pve and wvw game with this stupid disconnected side game called pvp.

I love gear being equal in Guild Wars no need to grind for the best stats just to pvp…. its what made me play the game after I quit WoW….. you know what happened I ended up liking the game so much I made a PvE toon even paid for skins and heros because I knew I could eventually use my PvE toon in RA HA etc.

The game modes cant be disconnected not in a MMO it will fail in the long run…. not the game the pve side and wvw is fun the tpvp side will fail Anet will beat their heads against the wall trying to ‘fix’ it but nothing will work unless there is a tie in to PvE toons even if its just Armor Weapon skins and dyes.

Mark my words no tie in with pve/wvw players toons = dead pvp game.

Now I’m not in sales, but I would guess its a good idea to know your customers. It does not take much to get people to pvp no need for stats boost GW1 proved that just new skins a title and some gear of the exact same stats as all other level 20 gear. Great model for a game groundbreaking really. Like the first star wars…. dont kitten it up like Lucas did.

Yeah I dont fully understand the reason behind pvp amulets/gem not all matching up with the pve sets

Alot of them are the same Carrion Rabid zerkers Valk etc…

The one that really bugs me is Knights, in PvE Knights gear is outstanding balanced option for a power build Power + Crit + toughness in PvP its Power + Crit + Vit much much worst with all the crazy direct damage burst. So that leaves you with zerkers glass cannon or zero crit soldiers (sure you can use knights but I find vits near useless) Depending on class perhaps vit knights is better… I would just like it to match pve gear and have toughness.

I want to be able to turn off that stupid commander icon (without joining a squad). Thats the fix I would like.

Yeah more people like deathmatch node taking is never as popular as good old fashion deathmatch in anygame I have played.

I would say flag running is more popular then node capture models.

Casuals also like deathmatch… that said I dont know how deathmatch would work in this game… would be very short for sure.

On a side note Free tournys pop up faster for me then a month ago, I think more people from spvp are joining pug style /shrug.

For the long term health of the game best to rework/remove stealth imo.

Syko.3726:

Just don’t push B to see the score while you’re dead and waiting to rez, you shouldn’t get stuck in map loading anymore.

Hope it helps

This is false information.

I’m tired of people trying to stay OP when there was clearly a massive balance issue with mesmers.

I think all the builds that were viable before the patch are still viable, I think you were just never good at the game and now cant do anything with a toned down class, see it in MMOs all the time eventually you will reroll to some fotm or get better at Mesmer.

Im melting face with two builds conditions and the 20/20/0/0/30 shatter build. You have no idea how good mes, please role a ele or necro it might do you some good seeing how great mesmer has it.

Sorry but you people are nuts, actually think one of the strongest pvp classes in the game is broken….. All because you had to learn to play by the same rules as other classes.

Let it go you sound like babies focus on other things because you will never get god mode back. Now you have to pay attention like everyone else does, deal with it.

I’m finding it funny people are telling me stuff about necro when I have a level 80 and farmed exotics on it.

Let me keep this simple when you play both classes you can talk until then take my word for it Mesmer is very strong. If you think mesmer is not strong…. you’re playing the wrong class, I cant really recommend a class for you because mesmer is the strongest I have played by a large amount. I hear rangers are good at pve /shrug.

Winds.3087:

Necromancer is weak? I won’t say that. Hard cc that ignores defiant stacks(fear) and wells make any dungeon easier.

I think any class can do PvE just fine, but its a well known issues that Necro is very weak at tagging in events due to conditions being the viable build and wells having such a long cooldown and burst not being an option.

Just find it comical anyone would say mesmer is weak its stronger and easier to play then my necro by a large amount. Thief is a bit faster in some situations but mesmers is easier to kill the elites and do the harder content solo.

Perhaps my view is jaded because I play a necro and pvp alot, but mesmers seem overpowered to me and my opinion is not changing the more I play my mes.

So the complaint of the strongest class in the game is that you can’t tag mobs? Thats it thats why people call mesmers weak at PvE one small aspect of the game lol LOL LOLOLOLOL

Try a necro below the mes in all aspects of the game or if you really want to just event zerg farm just make a Ranger terrible at spvp and tpvp but good at farming pve.

Iruwen.3164:

Kasama.8941:

Mesmer is my favorite profession to play in PvP, because it’s so much fun to watch your opponents run around either attacking clones, or damaging themselves with confusion on them.

You’re actually playing competitive PvP relying on that? I guess you meant “trololo I’m a lvl1 guy testing the game” WvW enemies…

Look at the pretend elitist, portal is a great game winning tactic in tpvp also… Notice I said tactic something you clearly dont understand perhaps you should try whatever class you think is OP…. you might quit the game when you cant win with a normal class. Mes is strong.

Archaon.6245:

20k damage? With what? In sPvP? (Because here it’s sPvP forum)

Screen please (Or better…video)…post a video with a thief dealing 20k dmg during a “not possible to react” time in sPvP…i’m going to ask him how he managed to do that…because, you know, that kind of damage it’s mathematically impossible with sPvP crit dmg cap during a time short enough to not let you avoid it….i suggest you to use Fraps.

Thank You.

Yeah you dont need to provide anything to this clown, there are plenty of SS of the death combo. Heck I posted one done on my 1900 toughness necro for 90% of my health. Thier new argument is that you have time to react when you are at 10% life…. or they will use the “stun break skill” argument, knowing full well that classes stun breaks are on 45 second + timers.

Yes all my friends left the game, thiefs and mesmers were the main complaints more thiefs instand death then anything.

For now while i wait for balance im facerolling with thief and mesmer laughing at all the free kills.

You just argue to argue dont you, you’re dead wrong test it on golums… I know you wont because you never came to the thread to help present viable builds you came to kitten and try to brag on running the best build ever lol.

Its not even ‘my build’ I dont run it but once and awhile, I did test the crap out of it and many other builds weapons etc… Its a popular build that one of the best necros in the game runs, so kindly kitten

Keep doing what you are doing because that build you pulled out of thin air is almost exactly what the second rated player, a necro runs.

The carrion amulet with a mixed power conditions set is fine. You will evolve the build overtime I do recomend forcing yourself to get fast with putting down marks if you want the most out of the class, auto ground targeting makes it easy and fast.

Small changes to your existing build, look at the runes and sigs.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQRBLRdG2IjW6e7m5G/eCYqw3QP2FXnjeQsxJD;T0AgyCrosyYlwKrVOrkWtEZIyRkdBzFA

If you want to work on getting fast with Marks, give these a try its a better build staff lets you move the BiP self bleed and clouds self weakness putting it on targets.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQNArYWjMap7tbmb87JApCPD9YXddO6BxGnMA;T0AgyCrosyYlwKrVOrkWtEZIyRkdBzFA

CC Meinke.2749:

Hello Leohart.4610,

next time please explain your issue more detailed next time you create a thread, instead of just posting a screenshot. It might confuse some users.

Greetings

Naw people that still play Necros understand the game and screen shots like that at a glance.

I will give you the point that if a thief or mesmer player came to the necro forums and seen the screen shot it might have confused them considering they kill things so fast there is no time to take screen shots.

Mesmers are OP everyone you kill are not ‘bads’ kids that play OP classes like to belive its pure skill.

I’m facerolling to great victory on my mesmer, I actually have to try when I’m on my necro to do half as well.

I guess I could drink the coolaid and say man Im really skilled on a mesmer I beat everyone and everything mesmers are not OP im just that good at the class.

Chaos.5893:

Who came up with this? Lving my mesmer im maybe half a day away from 80.

Do any other mesmers feel like an unkillable god that can take on 500 monsters never getting hit?

Yeah no kidding im crushing pve content as I level up the mesmer its easier then any of my other classes…. I read the mesmer threads and think that this is where all the bad players must live if they cant own with Mesmers they are BAD lol. Not that its 100% thier fault Anet did make a class that tookittentle skill and dominated everthing with a roll of a face over a keyboard…. so people never needed to learn how to play.

As someone that has played with a class that has to deal with blind/block dodge actually working against skills I already played the game looking at the screen and did not randomly hit buttones to win like the mes…. but my first 80 was a necro so I learned the hard way leveling and to do well in spvp tpvp. /shrug.

Mesmers are still dominating and are so easy to play strong I have decided to make a PvE/WvW one to go with the easy wins I have been getting on my spvp tpvp Mesmer.

Honestly have you no shame? We all know Memsers are still gods of pvp or have you actually never tried other classes or looked at the team make ups of tpvpers….

I felt like making the most OP class I made a Mesmer I win.

My first level 80 was a Necro, not level 80 yet on the memser but so far its is extreamly easy to play and level up. I think its faster then my thief and obviously faster then a necro.

I dont understand the people that say Mesmer is hard to play, comparied to what? A necro an Ele? I think not mesmer is not complex and its strong in spvp tpvp wvw and pve, if anything it needs a bit of a nerf.

p.s. alot of you crybabies need to play another class, role an ele and necro and see how fast you come running back to mesmer.

Mammoth.1975:

Which data? Link goes to a blank page for me. I told you already why mes/guard/thief/ele are the top 4. Double guard and double thief blows btw, again, as I said before.

Hum thread can not be opened it was a hot topic in the spvp forums… looks like a forum bug or it was stealth deleted without being deleted.

Has 2740 views 49 replies was made started by Argo.7541 Its on page 5 atm.

It had a nice sample size of free tpvp Im going off memory I think a few samples of 2000+ all laid out and charted based even on player rank and showed trend that higher rank players drift towards Mesmer Guardian Thief etc… Showed rangers as the least used.

There was a data collection right after the patch showing thief numbers actually went up with the so called nerf perhaps the nerf to guardian outweighted the nerf to thief burst thats what the data sugested. Real shame the info in the thread and no posts can be viewed it was impressive work by Argo.

Dagger is better for power builds, if you are worried about the range of dagger then scepter is better for power builds.

The small buff to axe helped, however the number 1 attack is just really bad needs a speed boost.

Mammoth.1975:

Aga.8641:

Mammoth.1975:

Someone has to kill the treb. Eles and necros do it best, but eles have better mobility.

What on earth are you talking about? Necros aren’t the WORST at killing trebs, there’s 1 viable spec for a necro to run in PvP, that’s conditions….condition specs do not kill trebs. If you’re running any other spec as a necro you’re completely useless to your team, so it doesn’t matter if you can kill the treb of not.

Sorry, that’s not correct. You can fill in for an ele just fine, providing just as much benefit to your team in fights, downing the treb almost as fast and more reliably. The problem is that it takes you so much longer to get there, and that means more shots fired, which is why people use eles instead.

Xom.9264:

I dont think many of the paid teams run necros at this point in the game.

This is not correct either, which kind of turns the rest of your post on it’s head. Necromancer players may even be slightly over represented on the leaderboard.

Data says its underplayed bottom three. I always go with data.

Mesmer, Guardian, Thief, and lately Ele and warrior are used the most. I will give a side point to any arguments that say Mesmer, Guardian and Thief numbers are higher because they are classes that can do well with having two of them or more in a tpvp groups where Necro is used as 1 of and fills one role… However that still = less tpvp slots for the class less roles and flexability. Hence the data.

Ok buddy you are theory crafting without testing you did not list a timeframe now did you? You are also adding utilities to the mix like BiP without considering the power it adds to your base damage, damage that crits damage that works with the +20% when under 50%. Wall of text is all guessing with no real math or testing.

BTW the highest rated necro in the game number #2 rated out of all players runs a 30/30/x/x/x conditions build.

Again I will say it the +20% more damage under 50% will spike the target with a conditions build. You do have damage that is not conditions related that crits that is boosted by targets under 50%, your build will not kill a test golum faster then 30/30/x/x/x. Thats not to say your build is worst you just need to kind of get over yourself and stop with the kitten 1 build to rule them all crap. There are multiple varriations on conditions builds all have thier merits 30/30/x/x/x will kill things faster overtime or with a full lifeforce bar there are other builds that might do better but until we get test golums with 20 times the health of the ones we have now I have to go with the test we can do and what build works fastest.

I dont guess I test.

Aethyir.5683:

Don’t consider this an attack on you Xom, but I find it hard to believe anything you say in your posts when you make broad statements with zero substantiation.

You will find I research and test what I claim.

Dont take this as an attack but you need to remove emotional investment you have in a class when people that have not played a class ask if its good or not. You could waste alot of someones time that is new to the game and wants to eventually play high level tpvp.

What you have fun playing does not = what is the strongest in pvp.

Its a nitch class that only a few mid level free tpvp groups run I dont think many of the paid teams run necros at this point in the game.

Here is some data from free tpvp. Numbers drop in paid tpvp I know this first hand.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Statistics/page/2#post796648

p.s. QP farming and the farming of individual nuts that play 24/7 is not an indication of anything another reason we need rated arenas badly. Its all about averages and bell curves.

Dont do it chose something else.

Monarch.4026:

striker.3704:

You should keep in mind that the groups who say they only want X class usually do the worst.

Well, I hope youre right.

He is not right thats just called wishful thinking, hardcore gamers know what classes are weak and will avoid grouping with them.

A necro very versed in the class is fine, however an average necro is going to be alot worst then a average War guard mes etc… Gamers notice these things, most necros I have grouped with are useless and I would rather have a faceroll warrior guardian mes or thief.