Guild Wars 2

Ynot.8397:

That is a really good story but it is impossible to get that many badges in a few hour without wiping hundred man zergs left and right.

To be fair it was most the day, was in a gaming mood after not playing for months. Anyway just constantly turned camps, get 2-4 badges a camp 1-2 badges (sometime none) on player kills. I probably had a few badges starting out but no more then 20-30 so yes 200+ badges today.

If things are slow, pick a zone with outmanned buff to save repair costs because sometimes you have to just attack a zerg for a kill or two, the badges add up fast.

Wreckz.6472:

Xom.9264:

osif.8673:

@BS Mesmer

Was only so long until that 1v1 would get interrupted haha. Good fight none the less, looking forward to running into your small man group this week.

Also ran into a small BS(basic) group, it was good fun they had a Mes, Warrior, and Necro. Changed to a Thief, Warrior, Mes after we got them the first time.

I was the human necro with the char warrior, good fights Mes you are the first Mesmer I have seen worth anything in WvW ever. (but dont terrain exploit you’re better then that).

ET has some solid players, got my best 1 v 1s against ET people. FG people seem to just zerg and are really really really really bad in small scale actually won 1 v 2 and 1 v 3s against them multiple times with a poorly geared necro, makes me want to invest in gear and play WvW instead of just Tpvp, see if I can 1 v4 or 1 v 5 some FG folks.

Cheers

Great fights with you guys as well. I’m sorry but how was I terrain exploiting?

The perma invuln location, you backed up into to get all cooldowns up then came out of, and went back to when you were low… by the wargs. No huge deal is it was just open world roaming.

ET just seems to have good players on average Ferg not so much just zerg. Heck a thief and i actually dropped a Ferg commander in the middle of a zerg killed 4 or 5 then got away. I have not WvWed that much more a Tpvp player but getting 250 badges in a few hours solo or with 2 or 3 man groups seems like alot.

I dont have much gold so I wanted to thank all the Ferg players for the badges and crafting mats ill have all the exotic gear in no time.

osif.8673:

@BS Mesmer

Was only so long until that 1v1 would get interrupted haha. Good fight none the less, looking forward to running into your small man group this week.

Also ran into a small BS(basic) group, it was good fun they had a Mes, Warrior, and Necro. Changed to a Thief, Warrior, Mes after we got them the first time.

I was the human necro with the char warrior, good fights Mes you are the first Mesmer I have seen worth anything in WvW ever. (but dont terrain exploit you’re better then that).

ET has some solid players, got my best 1 v 1s against ET people. FG people seem to just zerg and are really really really really bad in small scale actually won 1 v 2 and 1 v 3s against them multiple times with a poorly geared necro, makes me want to invest in gear and play WvW instead of just Tpvp, see if I can 1 v4 or 1 v 5 some FG folks.

Cheers

They do fixed damage that does not scale with gear, 2k is really poor damage considering they are slow to respond and dont stay on target. Takes a heck of alot of setup to get them to hit the target unless the target is a stand in place type.

Yeah also noticed very low health downstate in WvW, I felt like a liability to the small roaming group when i was downed then instant killed rally bait for the 3 we had down….

I had to change gear and utilities to make sure i would not go down really lowered my damage and was not happy about it. More reason to level my cheese machine mesmer.

Rising bile like condition.

Only a WvW player would lose 2 v 1, 3 v 1, even 4 v 1 to a up leveled Tpvp player

Yes very close fights like that warrior will win if you cant get away after you down him.

The terror build is not even that strong, just a typical case of someone playing an overpower class used to facerolling winning upset he died.

You have to be a minor kitten to lose on a Mesmer, its that strong a class. Give it a serious try re-search the builds and play it you will be shocked of easy and strong it is.

Yeah they are useless in WvW, and mostly useless in pvp

funny video

Aye yet the warrior as a class is not very viable, not due to the warrior being a bad class but due to the un-killable cheese classes and builds.

Agree Zelulose

Well warrior might get there faster but he will be a easy kill. Elemenalist gets there a second later but kills everything or at least cant be killed by anyone.

There is not alot of money to be made in the smaller PvP hardcore playerbase.

The PvP player base already helped Anet by promoting the game like crazy before release rabid fanbois getting the casual and pure PvE types looking at the game. While there is not alot of money to be made in the free to play model from PvP players they did help promote the game, I know I never would of looked at GW2 if not for all the PvP forums talking about how good GW1 was and how great GW2 would be.

Really nothing to be done for the MMO PvP types its always been a smaller market the days of UO DAoC are long gone PvE drives all MMOs now even the ‘pvp’ focused MMOs.

Spec a conditions tanky build they hold points just as well if not better then my bunker necro.

Stop expecting easy mode burst and tank in one build.

p.s. if you are using GS as a point holder you are doing it wrong, stop trying to look cool with a huge sword and pick weapons that fit your goal.

Agree mesmer is total cheese, yes I play Necro and Mesmer 99% of the time.

I understand your point but there are already a ton of top builds posted in each class forum. What you and I and many others have done is tweak builds testing everything finding what builds works for all builds have been posted at this point, you might change things in it but the core builds are already there for the taking. So if someone just copies your build its likely if they will ever be your competition that they will have made adjustments anyway.

Builds and gear combos in GW2 are not even close to as complex as GW1.

No one is going to actually watch games until Anet gets serious about meeting the expectations of the PvP base, these are the people that helped promote GW2 and got the PvE masses looking at the game.

I leveled my necro first and can say 100% mesmer is easier even before level 40.

Terror is ok but needs a team that spikes on the fears so voice chat to get the full reward from the spec.

Starting out the standard condition build or minion conditions is solid. Or power wells.

I did not know people complained about necro in Tpvp that much…. yeah its not a top class more the bottom of the middle power level its ok.

Not taking greater marks and staff is crazy as a necro in Tpvp imo, staff #3 and #4 are kitten near the only reason to Necro.

GW1 necros should give Mesmers in GW2 a try like others have said.

Actually I go the minion path with it also cute,

20/0/20/30/0

Its fun mostly because people dont expect it, its a good mess around build that wont be a huge burden to a team.

Use the staff and put down marks in the path the mob will take to get to you blast away. When the mob gets close change to axe or dagger if you are power based and finish it. If you use specter, snare and kite a bit.

Minons are ok in Tpvp, in WvW even small 1 v 1 fights a geared AoE class kills them in a few seconds even with +50% health trait.

Yes they need to scale with gear.

I run the same concept time to time, high power and health with about 15% crit (soldiers amulet / zerker jewel) Dagger and staff(hate axe)

Its a fun tier two build

Jackums.3496:

I also have both an 80 Mesmer and an 80 Necro.

Dungeon-wise, both are viable and relatively equal, unless you’re farming, in which case a glass cannon Mesmer will be the more appealing choice.

For tPvP, the Mesmer will generally be the better pick, but the Necro isn’t Warrior-tier or anything, so you can certainly get away with using one.

For zerging in WvW, from my experience, the Necro wins, hands down. The only Mesmer spec I’d even consider being somewhat close is a glamour spec (which is pretty much useless everywhere else). Build for marks and wells, use a staff and scepter/dagger. These are the kind of results you’ll get by AoE spamming the enemy zerg…

Agree about in a zerg, I should of stated I favor non-zerg play small groups and solo roaming in WvW. Mes is hands down better for that, if you like zerg play well/marks necro is a good choice.

oZii.2864:

Xom.9264:

killahmayne.9518:

I wonder how many Necros would gladly tradeoff some of their bleeds/bleed duration for some skills that cause confusion. I would say almost all of them.

Count me as a Necro that would in a second.

Mes has been among the top 1-3 classes since the game released, while other classes get nerfed and buffed in and out of the tops spots Mes even with minor fixes and nerfs still is an outstanding top tier class.

Mesmer as a class is a little overpowered its takes a heck of alot more skill to kill a decent mes then it does to play a mes decently.

No thats now how it worked. When the game came out Thieves and Mesmers where argued and mostly viewed as the top classes/op. They both rely on confusion people and aren’t your conventional in your face smash buttons faster who wins class. As the community has learned to adapt(alot but not all) thieves are considered weak but strong still against those that don’t know how to fight them. Mesmers are still considered a strong class. Look at the elementalist? Before everyone thought it was weak now it is probably the strongest class in the game it didn’t receive buffs to reach that point.

Now many classes have 1-2 viable builds that you kind of have to be running if your going optimal. Some have more what is better is to bring those other classes up instead of nerfing the supposed op class. See elementalist in the first 2 months the game came out. You can’t knee jerk it which is what anet doesn’t do. Despite what the community thinks and cries about after they receive a change to their class.

Ele’s got a healing nerf(spvp) and RTL nerf but then got buffs in that same patch. Everyone was like omgzorz they are going to nerf eles. It wasn’t even that big a hit.

Thieves revealed buff nerf. OMGZORZ we got nerfed I can’t play. Then you have the I told you so people. Guess what next patch in WvW reveal buff goes back to 3’s.

You are getting meta confused with class power, thiefs did get a minor nerf however the reason you see fewer of them is because there are more tanky AoE eles around along with rangers with good aoe in Tpvp.

Mesmer is a powerful class not really impacted by the meta the numbers of mesmers in Tpv kitten teady and its high.

Again its much harder to kill a good mesmer then it is to play a mesmer well. Necro has to work alot harder, you can argue if you like but I play both classes alot.

killahmayne.9518:

I wonder how many Necros would gladly tradeoff some of their bleeds/bleed duration for some skills that cause confusion. I would say almost all of them.

Count me as a Necro that would in a second.

Mes has been among the top 1-3 classes since the game released, while other classes get nerfed and buffed in and out of the tops spots Mes even with minor fixes and nerfs still is an outstanding top tier class.

Mesmer as a class is a little overpowered its takes a heck of alot more skill to kill a decent mes then it does to play a mes decently.

Main is a Necro, got champ Phantom title about halfway on Mes with title.

I do well with my Necro in WvW level 80 exotics and I know the class.

My mes level 30 even upleveled the mes works soooooo much better in WvW.

Few things Necros best spec is conditions…… its boring after a time and not good for WvW. Mes has very solid conditions specs with top tier direct damage specs, you are not giving anything up picking Mes over Necro and you gain alot more useful things from mes….. its just a better class. Necros fill a role in Tpvp there are much better classes to fill necros role in WvW and PvE Mes is one of those classes.

I still main play my necro simply because i like playing underdog classes. Unlike alot of Necros I dont fool myself into thinking the class is great. I know my mes is faceroll strong and easier to play.

Kravick.4906:

Poplolita.2638:

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

Be fair, it isn’t just vigor. No blocks, no invulnerable, no attacks that evade, terrible mobility, no knockdown (except Golem), knockback (except lich #3), or launch, no stun (daze is not the same thing), no reflect or absorb projectiles.

Necro does a lot of things well, but avoiding hits isn’t one of them. Thats ok, just really makes building a good one more difficult.

BTW, popping 2 utilities in exchange for 10s vigor is not what I consider to be sound tactics, so you really shouldn’t even count that as an option.

Doesn’t hide the fact that necromancer does have access to vigor via well of power. Did you ever try converting 10+ stacks of bleed in pvp? It gives you 30+ seconds of vigor.

Its more efficient to just transfer them back at this point. You don’t need dodges against other condition builds. There is no point in avoiding them when you can turn their own attacks against them. Its the burst builds you need dodges for.

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violentlycar.5267:

I still say that Warriors, from a pure design standpoint, don’t need a lot. It just seems like ArenaNet underestimated how strong survivability from boons and heals would be and overestimated survivability from raw health and toughness. Warriors would be much more playable if the Guardians and Elementalists couldn’t tank direct damage so kitten well.

Agree, I know Necros are not in the same spot as wars but its seems like the two high health classes are two of the easier ones to kill.

Health and armor clearly has much less of an impact in game then defensive skills, heals and boons by a huge margin. Perhaps the best bunker in the game has the lowest base health and armor while still putting out plenty of aoe damage.

These are what I use for zerker geared necro.

30/0/10/10/20
I,VII,X / 0 / II / III / IV, X

I like the DS with marks gaining 3% lifeforce because it give you a little buffer health, Spectral skills are my bread and butter Grasp, Walk, Wall.

They other build I like is a Fury buff DS based crit just dance in and out of DS keeping fury up.

0/20/10/10/30
0 / V, X / II / III / IV, X, XII

Some people run dagger and axe those builds dont have marks or spectral skills and tend to take wells.

Have not played in months and am still seeing the issue, its only game breaking against Thiefs and Mesmers(with stealth builds) or in situations that you need to change targets alot.

I have zero issues with my rangers pets however they have attack commands. The issue could be put to rest if Anet would just put a attack command on pets (not timer based)

Bas no one here has anything to gain by making false claims about Necro pet AI, however you seem to have taken peoples complaint as a personal insult or just found a change to stroke your ego.

Anyway I dont see anything changing its just not high on Anets to do lists there are things worst off then necro pet AI.

Bhawb.7408:

They “can’t” fix this because it isn’t an issue, …blah blah…. its your fault for not knowing how to control your minions.

Bhawb the pets constantly fail to attack in PvP. Testing in the mists I dont think I ever had them fail to attack when Im testing on one target. However when I test on the lord (multiple targets) the pets very often do not attack after the first target is dropped and will not attack again no matter what skills I use other then the long cooldown activated pet skills charge, blind etc…

Get better at testing before you flame people, we both know you did not test against the lord thats 5 targets you must drop. Do that fight 10 times and at least 1 time pets will bug out probably more times then that.

Hard to say the burst is just too fast too strong in the game the other mode is super tank mode…. really very little skill based balance play. I would say Eng and Necro are a bit on the weak side overall but can still build to be decent.

No one likes conquest game modes long term…. Deathmatch in every single pvp game is always the most played.

GW1 Warriors were OP they are fine in GW2

Say what you want about WoW but if you played it for the PvP you would know it rewards skill and team work you cannot advance in the ratings unless you win against other high rated teams lose and you drop rating.

I dont know what the game is like now but I played it from launch into being a top rated arena player for years. GW2 is a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy behind on skill based pvp sadly Anet seems like they want the games pvp to die they are sticking to the farm based system for PvP. I just dont understand what they are thinking, who are they listening too what ‘pvpers’ are telling them the QP system is fine? The people that like the QP system dont like real competition just garbage farmers.

The WvW is not even as good as DAoC, DAoC had points you could earn only by doing RvR to buy pvp skills for classes improving their power.

No long term rewards for WvW zero rewards for Tpvp or even a basic ladder/ranking system = a slow death in what could of been a great pvp MMO.

For WvW and Spvp anything works just pick a class you like. Starting with a eng will help you pick up necro you are probably already good an putting down marks and kit swapping fast is alot like managing two weapons and DS.

Necro is a step up for an eng because for some odd reason Anet keeps nerfing engineers.

No stability, low amount of CC skills no knockdown is a minus as is instant movement/ohkitten keys.

Necro is in a better spot then it was at release still needs a few things, dont make one if you want to be a minion master. If you like the conditions gameplay its a fine choice.

Khalifahaze.6045:

NevirSayDie.6235:

Khalifahaze.6045:

1) find people you enjoy playing with and think are good players.
2) invite them to a group or guild
3) que for free tournies using voip
4) develop strats and work on team synergy
5) when ready go into paids
6) pvp is now fun

/thread

This is true, but it’s why PvP isn’t attracting new players. Seriously, who jumps into their first PvP match and thinks, “this is great! If I just find friends who are good players, form a guild with them, use voip, and theorycraft/practice with my friends, I won’t be affected by the lack of meaningful casual vs casual PvP!”

This game isn’t set up for the random casual player, its anet’s terrible design. That being said, you can’t expect them to hold your hand. If you like this game use your brain form a team and get better. Stop all the crying and progress like the rest of the player base.

LOL, the other way to look at it is that the real MMO pvpers have moved on because there is no way to progress just pointless farming. With no rated games GW2 is years behind whats already out there.

Stop being bad fanbois, very good chance if GW2 ever gets a real pvp population most the current farmers will be below average rated anyway.

Its a really hard combo to pull off the majority of people cant do it, also you can rupt the combo and ruin the damage. Not the same as a faceroll burst class.

Schwahrheit.4203:

Or better yet..

“Make this game easy to understand because I’m having a hard time doing so”

Casuals like Xom are primary victims of “complex” games.

You only play a thief Schwahrheit, I would probably kill you 9 times out of 10 anyway thats not my point, its a low skill cap for the attacking glass canon and the defending player.

Ill break it down for you. No fight should be decided with the press of a few buttons in a few seconds regardless of who wins, thats a low skill cap and a large reason why PvP is not gaining ground right now.

Agree Dee Jay the extremes are out of whack right now.

Lopez.7369:

Scepter scales horribly with power. It generally gets about 1 point of damage for every 10 power, while staff gets 2-3 points of damage for every 10 power and dagger gets 4-5 points. (Keep in mind this is an average of all abilities. Feast of Corruption scales better.) I’m not sure about axe, but it definitely scales better with power than scepter.

In other words, use staff for a ranged power weapon and dagger for melee.

Scepter is actually better then axe for power builds I tested it over and over, dagger has major range issues. Scepter is fine for a power build you should take attack speed into account and actually test DPS before you make statements. Staff does the lowest DPS out of all necro weapons its a utility weapon, not saying dont take its a must have imo but its dead wrong to say staff scales better the low attack speed puts it wayyyyy behind.

chamo.6271:

^ what other power builds have you been trying? All my gear is PTV and I can’t seem to find the right build yet, so I’d be interested in seeing other power builds you’ve tried.

There are a ton of power or crit based builds for WvW the gear options open up some nice things for classes and builds. I could honestly list 12 ‘power’ based builds because that term is used for anything not conditions, there three power concept builds that branch off into multiple sub builds. Tanky builds, Crit builds, balanced builds lead to a ton of other builds that fall into one of those three main types for power builds, DS builds, fear builds, chill builds, well builds, spectral builds, burst combo builds etc… not even getting into hybrid builds.

What build work for me? I do great with +100% fear duration power builds, Spectral power builds, Perma Chill builds and well builds.

Yeah Devil, I spec spectral alot so walk lasts a long time and I use it to do some fun things in WvW but the new signet is great.

Title says it all, MMO fights should not be over in a few seconds even without healers I have never seen such skilless faceroll crap. Even when I kill a thief or glass mes/war it was a stupid zero tactics fight, this is not what people MMO pvp for.

OneArmedBandit.7936:

Necro > Mesmer, provided both are of equal skill level. If you lose to a mesmer, consider yourself outclassed.

I play both, mesmer > necro unless the mesmer is speced pure glass. I drop champion phantoms on my condition mesmer all day.

Latorn.4209:

The one word answer: rewards.

Agree, the other part of it is other game modes you can do other things in WvW if you are not in the mood to zerg.

Teabaker.9524:

GW2 is a pretty skill based game and it seems you suck (sorry if i’m so direct).

No its not, for the majority of classes and builds its faceroll easy. However the OP chose Necro that is about the only class that takes a fair amount of skill. Thief, mes, warrior, ranger, guardian are all faceroll classes never seen anything easier to play in all my MMO gaming over a decade of gaming, worst these classes can still be topdog even with faceroll easy gameplay.

PvP side of things is terrible right now you have crazy burst faceroll easy classes fooling people into thinking they are skilled.

I like well of blood when I used to run minions I still used well of blood and well of corruption. However blood fiend is really fun with some rune combos its a fast heal.

Necros really really really need a Attack my target command for all minions, that does not have a cooldown.