Guild Wars 2

HolySoNg.5371:

We r 2 engi

There is your answer. Engineers can be immune to condition damage.

Its not that the PvP community hates change, they just want to fight other players with their class. If they wanted to kill players with siege they would be doing WvW a game mode with massive amounts of overpowered siege.

I would venture a guess that the majority of the tPvP community would be ok with the new map minus the cannon and super tiny nodes.

Leave siege out of PvP, WvW already has way too much of it.

Thats all.

Good thief can not be killed in WvW unless they let themselves be killed, end of story.

sorrow.2364:

Really?
Do you think there is no skill-cap and growth for tactics?
You should explain me why the ability of push off someone from a cliff makes this map skill-less.

As far as I see, this map is just less forgiving against players who play bad.

This map is for gimmicks not fighting, pushing someone off a ledge is not skilled play its easy to do if they dont have stability its good game. However I dont really have issue with the maps layout. Killing people in 1 hit with a siege weapon is not skilled play.

WvW is already a game mode that already has siege covered, really really really really kittening covered. WvW players despise the power of siege like AC’s, zero reason to bring that kind of bullkitten into the PvP game mode.

If you want to feel good at the game by pressing one WvW is for you leave PvP alone.

garethh.3518:

A thread like this has been popping up at least a few times a month since beta.

Anet has yet to respond.

Actually they did, it was something along the lines of if you want these things play GW1.

sorrow.2364:

kitten s.7421:

Maps that have an insta kill mechanic do not belong in competitive pvp

Please, explain to us poor mortals this statement.

There is no skill cap no room for growth and tactics if something is already insta gib.

The map is terrible, we have plenty of this siege garbage in WvW already. Anet really needs to just kittening stop it and let PvP be the one kitten place in the game where players actually fight each other with their class.

Thanks for the GvG matches BFF and Bags, its rare to get so many matches was alot of fun.

MethaneGas.8357:

Kittens ;D

Xom.9264:

Ozoo go conditions before they nerf fire + terror, its worth it. Power will be untouched come nerfs so your spec will still be there.

Never talked to Oozo, but some of us like to keep our old builds despite the new “OP” stuff going around
- props -

Well your not oozo, but if you need to know I was running 30/30/10/0/0 conditions before the patch it had benefits without burning, now its stronger and its worth a try.
Im a power necro at heart but at somepoint if you want to play high level with a team you need to maximize what the class is capable of / fill a role only your class can.

Selfish builds vs builds that add to the group/fill a role others cant. This is not a reference to Oozo at all, but others.

There are many roaming guilds on DR that would be better, if they did not have players running selfish builds, run away builds or overly bunker builds. If I said it once I said it a million times, you have to risk dying to win vs good groups far to many seem to think getting away while your group a fight they should of won is a win.

Alot of these fights are so close 1 person could of turned it with correct utilities and small trait changes but filled their bar and traits with run away skills or self defense skills.

/shrug

Good fights tonight friends.

Friends

Ozoo go conditions before they nerf fire + terror, its worth it. Power will be untouched come nerfs so your spec will still be there.

Minion builds should not be highest level play viable, nothing that lets you win with AI should be. MM is solid easy to play its in a good spot when the minions actually attack.

I did the same one night while I was watching a movie I would keep fear mark up stopping anyone from advancing in the jumping puzzle, did it for about an hour.

I was bored, would not of went a full hour but one of the groups invited me and raged. So I continued /shrug.

My favorite was WoW, people would join PvP servers knowing full well you can be attacked in PvE zones, yet when you killed them they still got mad about it.

Hats off to that mesmer.

Agree with Bhawb, not sure what minion builds people run that they feel is so weak.

Climbed to 300 rating with the MM build I ran, overall best 1 v 1 build for necro before patch. Its been a little outclasses after the patch, but its still a strong build for how kitten easy it is to play.

Probably intended, seems Anet is nerfing the builds that have ‘pets’ do the work.

I’m ok with that, the best or even good dueling specs should not involve letting AI do the work for you for any class. Make pets pve realm viable not pvp/wvw

Its a endless circle jerk of posted pics in these treads with OMG zerg QQ everyweek. We all win some and lose some dont cry about it and zergs tag along time to time.

Now if the message in the screen shots was not one of QQ my mistake seemed like it at the time.

I mentioned a guild that did nothing wrong lumped them in with Edge thats my fault. Been T8 for so long some unwritten guidelines developed between the roaming groups at least for a time. One of those is if you lose in a 4-3 fight then in a 5-3 fight dont come back with 15 and spam emotes its makes me sad. Happens alot with edge folks should not have called the others zerg guilds. Its just so happens when edge takes a beating they stay close to OBS or AD the rest of the night thats no fault of OBS or AD.

Gab really boring responses for a pro forum troll. You have been spamming these threads for weeks now, I get it man. Since PAXA showed you 5 man swag + the forum warrior beating they handed to you a few weeks ago you have tried to be them but you cant, it takes more then just posting alot…

@ Ozzo agree we dont sit people out nor would I expect others too, however when we won 3 v 4 and 3 v 5 (1 pug) and Edge always comes back with AD or OBS evertime without fail and even that is fine, happens. Its the emote spam from this kids riding coat tails of others while pretending to be a roaming guild on the forums. Pointless to even post about it I know lol.

I do this on the engineer im leveling beat most average level 80s.

Alot of people dont know this but if your upleveled with gear that exactly matches your level. For example level 30 with all level 30 gear your stats will be greater then level 80s, and in food and it gets stupid. Once you start to outlevel your gear you actually lose stats at a dramatic pace making you weaker even as you gain levels.

My oh my look at the responses, for such a minor comment.

You dont have to be a large guild to have a zerg guild mentality. If you lose to even or lower numbers then come back with twice, three even four times as many to face the people that just beat you everytime, thats a zerg mentality.

I was just a little disapointed I know Edge and OBS has some good players just expected something else other then typical triple the numbers.

I’m actually the rudest person in the guild, post the most on the forums and am probably the worst player. BS does not consider itself elite anything wont get the forum warrior zerg from them. Just me here and we all know the worst players always post the most its a rule of the internet (/wave Gab).

I did not say anything false but after the responses from a one line post I’m sure this post will result in 10 pages of spam from wannabe PAXA clowns.

p.s. no insult attended towards larger guilds, DR has some really good ones I enjoy fighting good larger guilds like DDLG. This is just for guilds that talk the roaming guild 5 man swag talk, but go full zerg mode when they lose even once.

^lol

Zerg guilds complaining about servers that have larger zergs.

Combos help give a edge, they dont really need buffs else they would be too strong.

By juke well they act like they are going after someone else do a fast turn and get on me. Or hit when I’m far too engaged in a fight already.

Burst can kill you in a few seconds if you dont have the right cooldowns up. Condition cant do that there is a build up time where you can remove the condition or call for a condition clear.

In a game with no true dedicated healers burst can not ever get to the level of the early game again, that major mistake is why the pvp population left early in the game and still has not recovered…. that and boring conquest mode.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

In a discussion with some WvW guys, we came up with a conclusion as to why people do not come over to spvp. It is not cosmetics of armor or weapons.
The answer is much simpler.
———-They cannot run the same build that they usually run in their respective game format.

What does this mean?
———-They cannot achieve the same stat spread across attack, defense, crit chance, and crit damage.

The end result?
————-The build does not play nearly the same. So effectively it is a different build or a different game altogether.

So why leave my comfortable game mode with the build I know how to play with the stats tailored to what I want?
———-There is no good reason.
And that is why people do not cross game modes.

Yes, when I made the change to WvW builds also changed. Its honestly alot more fun doing the small scale 5 v 5 deathmatches in WvW or small group roaming the level of competition is high and the build options and gear options are amazing.

I was shocked at how high the level of play was when I got into the small man group fights in WvW. A Ref point, took 4 of the WvW small man players that dont do tpvp into tpvp and we had an outstanding win ratio over the few days we did tpvp my ranking climbed from 90% to 400 or so.

Point is these are good players that just find Tpvp mindless and pointless with very limited gear and build options…. kittens boring. Deathmatch will bring a high number of players, the fact that some of the best players are making deathmatch mode in WvW and its getting larger everyweek says there is a demand.

Scoobaniec.9561:

30/30/30/30/30 wielding dual greatsword? Yep, that decent build

Naw its kind of glassy, I like the four longbows build.

Nothing has really changed a burst player that is good will hit me when Im not ready or juke well and end it.

Bad burst will run into spectral wall 4 times in a row then /s OMG OP

Tots.3056:

Don’t accuse us of poor sportsmanship though, because every time you lost you made an excuse about one person or another disconnecting…. That’s not exactly sportsmanship either.

Yeah I was not there so I’m kind of positive I did not make any excuses. I seen some dipkitten post a vid of lag and call it hacking so I responded if that fellow was not on your voice chat server my mistake.

Hope for a rematch this week.

Rabid all the way, you are set with gear.

WvW opens alot of options you can do great with power or condition builds on a necro. I lean towards condition builds but some of the most fun I have had roaming was with dagger builds, be warned good players will kite your dagger bad ones are fast easy badges its worth the trade off.

Bhawb.7408:

Honestly I’m not sure it’s fair to say it isn’t his build just because you saw someone else with it. I run a minion build that I made myself, I consider it my build, but I would not be surprised if someone else came up with a very similar build long before me. Not saying he did or did not copy a build, but I wanted to point that out.

How dare you not agree with me!?!?! Expect ingame sends with a challenge to duel, saying it proves nothing only if you win, of course if I win its proves everything!
Regardless of the outcome I will post in the forums selected screen shots trying to make you look bad while leaving out the parts I rage in all caps cursed and insulted you over and over simply because you did not agree with my opinion.

Could not resist, ok im out threads all yours peeps.

Bhawb.7408:

@xom, I have 5g that at least one of the players he called bad was Gibbly, he has a huge hate-kitten for him, and it’s hilarious.

I for one am looking forward to this. Both as a chance for AlTroll to actually show off some off-meta builds (regardless of the gigantic butt he is, some of his builds would do well in teams), and for all the wonderful stream chat that I know is going to be comedy gold.

lol yeah it was a long list im sure a Gibbly was on it….. also they are not his builds not a single one no matter what he claims I seen them long before he tried to lay claim I love builds and theorycrafting 100% they are not his.

Changing a trait or utility does not make a build yours, that was what my thread was about…. he knows he stole those builds thats why out of all the necros posting he went after me the sarcasm hit too close to home.

I actually think necros have a ton of lower rankings (300+) level builds, that are good fill ins for the ‘ideal’ classes roll of bunker roamer and close point holder.

You really dont understand the word context and should stop using it. A necro that stacks 2100 toughness is a bunker in my book, no matter what you claim the intended secondary roles are.

Call me a random that’s exactly what I am and so are you, problem is you dont know it and thats sad. You wanted to call out average necro you figured it was a safe bet….. did not turn out as planned now did it?

Mr. Mighty forum warrior, that pulling sensation in the groin area when you read my challenge in party chat for the delete duel was your balls retracting in fear…… if you thought you were good and I was really that bad you would of took the duel.

@Bas its going to be pointless he needs it too badly, you will be calm and respectful no matter the outcome and he will continue along, you’re giving him far more attention and respect then he has coming, but its going to be like watching a slow motion car wreck and for that I and the necro community thank you.

Oh yeah and I wanted to say I was a fan of your other video.

The math shows he made the correct choice for food. The only thing I could see that might change would be runes on armor buts thats an argument its still a push imo. Im sure he is already well aware of the trade offs someone that makes such a detailed necro vid knows how to make builds and gear choices to fit any situation.

Im a fan.

imsodonovan.5183:

Nice job ET, EXPLAIN YOURSELVES.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL8s8bIpV4s

Shame I missed fight night, anyway thats lag. Good sportsman ship buddy posting a vid calling the whole ET server hackers when it was really just a BS player lagging out.

/golfclap

Well of darkness is countered by using raged attacks also does not last very long.

Wells melt bad players and always have, good players just move out of the wells a few seconds then attack or attack from range for 4 seconds best you get is 1 tick on a good player. One tick is nothing.

I take fiend in a MM build it has other benefits. These include constant damage and health gain, you can explode it for a heal and a AoE poison with traits it also recharges fast with traits. Its nice with Lyssa runes random I admit but its a bonus as it will trigger on creation and killing it, because a MM build is probably using lyssa runes anyway you can clear conditions with golem.

Well of blood…. I used to use it in full bunker well builds and would chain my wells into near prema protection yes you have to invest traits into it. With the heavy condition meta its not as viable anymore, but when thiefs were running around insta killing folks it really did the trick.

Overall consume conditions is better then the other two heals. However both those other two heals can fit into specific builds giving them the edge imo in those builds.

Nemesis.8593:

+ the ability to act as a debuffer – by adding up to 24 stacks of vulnerability on a target

I agree so kitten much with this, its such a good build with a direct damage teamate focus firing. I’m gearing up to run a build like this in WvW, conditions get boring and I know a power build like this would be deadly teamed with a guardians stacking might on you and doing solid direct damage.

Citizen Shane did some math to find golden ratios for Power Vs. Precision.
Here is the link.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/players/Damage-Power-Precision-and-Golden-Ratios/first#post1743110

Some of his calculations. I dont know if you already knew the golden ratios but you are dead on picking precision stacking runes on focus over power stacking.

I solo roam on my necro sometimes.

There is one class I have zero respect for and that is thief. If a thief is losing they just run away they can get away from zergs as easy and 1 v 1s at any time. Its beyond OP its god mode, until other classes have the ability to 1 shot a thief at will thief will always be OP in WvW.

Funny, but I would stipulate that Altroll plays in the games on his necro for the build he wishes to showcase. He will use his buddies as fodder if they lose saying the lose was because of mistakes made by a ‘student’ thats exactly what he did to Tut after the fellow lost our duel. I was a bit in shock to say the least at the disrespect he showed even to a buddy.

Leave him no wiggly room else he will toss others under the bus. I dont know how much a 5 v 5 will show. A test of point capture and defense would really prove some things, like defending against two classes attacking or attacking with 2 people vs 1 do a timer count.

Example can a bunker necro keep the point with a eng knockback build? Can a bunker necro live vs a 2 man attack Necro + X class, or will another bunker class last longer. This is actually what I thought we were going to test early in the conversation when he sent me….. I wanted to show him some weaknesses and why necro is not a main bunker choice, but he would have none of it.

I dont think necros are terrible bunkers I bunker a ton on my necro….. but I know its weaknesses because I have seen them exposed first hand by good players.

Maybe something useful will come of this tread after all and Anet will make bunker necros top level viable after they nerf terror/fire. One can only hope

/shrug

jportell.2197:

Also the amount of condition application vs. removal is what bugs me (and others.) The ease of application vs the ease of removal is beyond unbalanced. Right now if teams want to have a competitive edge they need to have the best condition spamming vs. the enemy. That is what I really don’t like at all.

If there is too much removal the result is condition builds do no damage, as it is now if a person brings a fair amount of removal they counter condi builds kind of hard, where necros cant do the same to counter direct damage as hard. A team needs balance of direct damage and condi as it should be and its not even equal atm there are still more DD centered teams then condi cleave teams.

When condition cleave teams become then norm then we can talk about it, right now only some euro teams condi cleave.

Im working on some gear for a power build in WvW, you can really get some cool stats combos with PvE gear. I love dagger for power builds axe just does not cut it damage wise for me in WvW even with the extra range….. I actually still use a scepter for power builds over axe if Im not running staff for whatever reason.

30/30/10/0/0 condition is a good small scale wvw build that i use time to time for larger scale fights Im better off with more AoE damage focused builds.

No one asked for burning in the first place, seemed most necros wanted more defense options.

I have no idea why Anet gave necros burning…. other then as a lead in for a terror nerf and limit builds so they could balance based on only 1 or 2 builds like they do other classes. I really dont get it its not even close to what necros asked for.

double post…..

might as well fill it

I started with 20% LF but the duel was a waste of time the whole thing was a waste of time. I did not even want to duel did not know I was walking into one, I still had my semi test build on as the utility choices show. Also tut did not use his elite because the fight ended to fast he thought he was winning even if he used elite it was too late my stacks were on him and all his removal skills were down. It was not an accident on my part I waited until his removal was used to do the spike. Not taking anything away from tut, but you should not have dragged others into your grudge match mightaltroll.

It was lame to refuse to fight me mightyaltroll, I think you just wanted to steal the build and in a month or so you will probably post it on the forums calling it themightyaltrollFire spike build. (i joke)

Anyway, dont send random people ingame mightaltroll, you wasted my time…. still it was not a total waste I did leave with a smile on my face when you blocked me. You sure can dish it out but cant take even a fraction back at you.

peace.

p.s. Bas sure I would love a good necro to practice builds with that power build would do well vs a condi spike build, I’m a power necro at heart I think they match up very well vs condi necros.

Ha,

Nope never claimed to be a top necro I have been around the 300s before but that was not intended I just wanted tittle and it worked out that way. Point is an average joe necro like myself using a meta build won vs a pure bunker necro and fast second point someone claiming to be better then all the top necros in the game really should at least be in the top1000.

Mightaltroll posting screen shots, anyway I expected such from you I took a few screens shots of your insane rants towards the end, I had not intention of posting them here unless you did exactly what you just did.

The whole time this dude typed at a 15 to 1 ratio at me, at the point of these screen shots im long past trying to really reason, really wish I got the parts where he flamed specific top 200 necros called them trash.

For everyone enjoyment…. I wish I took more but here is a gem.

Yes I did challenge Mightyaltroll to a delete char fight, he turned it down. Really no risk on my part he would of lost and I would of done these forums a favor.

Spazza.6024:

Oooo i want to fight the build that killed his bunker in 15 seconds! What class was it? (My guess is was a thief? s/d more than likely?)

It was my necro….. running the build he said multiple times in this very thread is terrible. Anyway point is guardian would of lasted much long same with an eng if I could even manage the solo kill same with ele. He died fast for a few reason but mainly no stability.

I do like that you are playing devils advocate, necro community is full of level headed adults.

He has trolled me multiple times he is one of the reason I dont post much in the necro forums. I tried to make post your builds and their target job threads before, this dude trolled it until anet deleted I doubt he or anyone remembers it was months ago. If another necro has an idea that is getting good feedback he will come into the thread and start kitten. He rages at anyone getting good feedback that is not him.

Also as stated many times his builds are not meta they are also not his builds, they are decent mess around builds for spvp. I’m not actually knocking the builds for what they are, I have an issue with his mis-information as he has a habit of flaming anyone that posts a real meta build.

15 seconds his bunker was melted 1 v 1 it would of been under 10 seconds in a 2 v 1 situation. This is a truth and its not insulting to point it out that the reason other classes are used for team bunker role is because of their ability to handle DD and condi.

Focus fire and Control (knockdown back etc..)

Until necros have options to defend against these they will never be OP in high level play.

I must jump to the defense of the necro community here.

This guy sent me in game, I tried very hard to be civil and have a conversation just to get his viewpoint and share mine. Its was useless he does not talk with people he talks AT people what you say any point you make bounces off.

It went something like this do you think necros can be the best bunkers in the game Xom?

My response: They can be tanky but have flaws, lack of stability is a main issue as a heavy knock back class can contest without even killing the necro.

Him: CAPS lock rage ranting about testing vs guard and how the necro lasted 2 mins and the guard only 45 seconds.

In the end he wanted to test me see how good I was, so I melted his 2100 toughness ‘bunker’ necro in 15 seconds…. He started telling me what I did wrong and the play mistakes I made how terrible I was at necro how everyone on the leaderboards are trash…. Im not even a top player Im just some random WvW dude that ran a meta build and melted his greatest bunker build in a flash. The fact he thinks Im terrible should make him rethink his bunker build, rethink his whole raging at others who say the builds dont work at a high level of play….. but nope it did not phase him it only put him into insane rage.

He refuses to reason he does not understand game concepts or context at all. I’m done being even mildly civil, where most people are calmer and easier to talk with in game then in the forums he is the exact opposite….

The necro community are not in some giant conspiracy against him, if anything we are too nice the other class communities totally rejected him so because of our high tolerance and helpfulness this is where he lives now.

Tukmolytes.3467:

sioux.1653:

Your entire statement is false. IOJ was in EB trying to take our keep at that time. You shouldn’t make sweeping statements like that. It makes you look bad.

You should know that we took your keep just to teach you a lesson and we didn’t even defended it so you can retake it again.

Too bad I have no screen shot of the dialogues.

IoJ Player 1: “ET are retaking their keep. 10-12 people. 1 ram down.”
IoJ Player 2: “Do we build ACs?”
Commander: “Nah, don’t defend it, wp to SM, let them have it and MAYBE they will get the message. Let’s retake (insert DR tower/camp here).”
(Not actual conversation but it always goes something like that….)

Check it out then tell me if I’m lying.

Hardcore brah, how much you bench?

You will be outnumbered by both servers.

Takes a mans man to do what ET WvWers do.

Yeah first time I went against a player from Anet was a tpvp match and he was an eng running this skill.

It was such a hard counter to my necro, zero hope of winning. Felt broken, everyone should at least have a punchers chance in fights. Yes i seen it before running into the Anet dude however I found it cheesy as kitten he was exploiting it.

Yeah, I actually used the making of dyes opening then selling them to get a little golds so I would have ok gear for WvW.

Right now I need powder also have a ton of everything else.

I have given up on Anet ever doing deathmatch.

WvW lower tier servers do deathmatch small scale guild vs guild fights at least once a week. I have found some shockingly high skilled players and team work.