Guild Wars 2

All this talk of ET not attacking NSP BL is crazy I have pics of me attacking and winning. Get owned NSP.

Warrior, Guard, Necro some Mesmer builds

JonathanSharp.7094:

• We’re working on new game types.

Thats all you need do, deathmatch and the PvP community will grow.

butch.8136:

Wryog.5073:

When a lot of people (compared to sPvP) ask for a game mode in an MMO with 0 rewards for it, you just know that that mode is good.

How frequently are there GvG’s? I don’t see many on the ‘upcoming GvG’ part.
It’s rare and that makes it special and fun. But if it’d become a full fleshed out gamemode outside of WvW, expect it to burn out soon. Reasons being it very demanding on player count (name me one game with such high player requirements that’s somewhat competitive) and deathmatch.

They are constant GvGs, we have one Tuesday, nope its not rated. The huge majority of guilds doing GvGs dont take part in the site…. only reason BS is on it is because we were asked to join it for a GvG match.

Some GvG guilds evolved from large roaming guilds they like the 20v20 and 15v15 others evolved from small roaming guilds 5v5, 10v10 for those guilds the 15v15 that the larger guilds demand for rated matches is hard to fill. Still rated matches happen but its a small bit of the GvGs happening.

Its a perfect storm, PAX low numbers, dislike over Meta, conquest mode etc….

Add to that Anet created a massive amount of angst with recent snide comments about GvGs, community ‘other game modes’. A fair number of the PvP population consider themselves WvW/GvG players unwise Anets choices and wordings.

The truth might be painful but its needed. People are rejecting only having one game mode.

butch.8136:

But still you don’t want to do 10 v 10’s in a custom arena. Because it isn’t the same gear nor without the food buffs, etc.

Anet will probably never add deathmatch in anyform.

My concern is that they seem to dislike GvG deathmatch and specifically plan to kill them.

Fenrir.3609:

Xom.9264:

Anet is going to kill GvGs perhaps they feel its pulling from their E-sport. They are going to kill a popular community driven game mode on a whim.

If you are worried about them kittening up gvg (and given we are talking about ANET here your concern is probably valid), then don’t you think you would be better served making posts about the issue on the w3 forums instead of kittening up the place here?

There will be more people reading that forum and more people with a vested interest in supporting your claims. Moreover, you actually have a mod that posts and seems to give a kitten.

PAX just ended with views about the same as GvGs…. and I do PvP and want to see other game modes aka deathmatch all GvG is are deathmatch, Im in the right place.

Darnis.4056:

You dodged again, 5v5 scrim ?

You’re the one who said “the skill difference is non existant”

If anyone cared about conquest mode a GvGer could not get top 100 not even trying. Deathmatch is our game mode, we are purists.

conquest you win guild does not do it
deathmatch we win

You are just mad I headshotted your PvE kid argument in the other thread with my pick of 67th rating.

As a PvPer on the leaderboards I think Ill just keep posting and you are going to have to deal with me saying GvG players are of higher skill level, until you make a GvG guild and climb our leader boards.

Darnis.4056:

You dodged :/
Scrim ?

Dodge? Two games modes with massive stat and builds gaps.

Deathmatch 8v8 our game mode your limited stats?

Or just bring your 5 to WvW we will GvG you.

Darnis.4056:

Soloque is broken being in the top 100 means literally nothing, LESS then nothing most of the time, especially with under 50 games.

I don’t expect you to know this as you’re new to pvp and have 0 idea of how broken things are.

Do you want to scrim an actual team?

I have over 50 games my start was loses 4v5s I climbed against the best players in PvP I know the names I faced them.

You want to deathmatch 10v10 an actual guild? Dont ego taunt us, you wont like the results. Most Tpvp teams farmed pugs and solo players, heck solo playing I got 200 or so on Tpvp it was teams farming pugs and the pugs still won plenty of times.

You want to insult solo queue…. naw if individual skill is there all your team would be top 200 solo queue I see plenty of the big names in the top 200.

P.S. 300 rating on a ele in this meta is about = to top 10 lol.

Anet is going to kill GvGs perhaps they feel its pulling from their E-sport. They are going to kill a popular community driven game mode on a whim.

It would be the same as them removing the Mists and PvP from the game today for you and others that enjoy conquest.

WvW is a form a PvE? Ok but I’m talking about GvGs that stands for guild vs guild deathmatch….. not very pve, conquest mode has more pve with trebs pve lords and circles you need to stand in. But whatever thats your opinion you are invested in conquest mode I see the R49 I get it.

@Lopez yeah im not a huge 20v20 fan but I respect the tactics teamwork and skill it takes. GvG is simple two guilds pick a number and fight to the death, the complexity that goes into this simple concept is really something when you get into it.

butch.8136:

^ You really base your skill on a messed up soloque leaderboard with almost no population on it?

I dont at all, in fact Im not even that great there are a ton of GvGers better then me….

My point is average me gets top 100 because the player pool is low. Conquest is a failed game mode the low numbers show it. If it was fun and people liked it no amount of forum crying would stop people from doing it. GvG player pool is growing.

My intention is to add a strong position to argue from when the PvP so called elite come to call GvGers PvE players. Like the fellow already did to me, what now can he say?

Im a average GvGer but clearly above average PvPer…. so what game mode has the higher pool of skilled players?

Darnis.4056:

Posters like Xom and Wyrog are the pveers that are flooding the pvp forums…
These are much worse then the percieved enemies from without (WoW? klol)

I dont really pve at all, but its ok Im not insulted I think PvE is harder then fighting the best PvPers to be honest.

Here you go this is not my game mode, I just did it because it was easy (also thought I would get a tittle). When I say GvGers have better players Im coming from a position that can say it. When you insult GvGers you are coming from a position of ignorance. I know maybe someone paid me to get top 100 PvP and also do GvG and say GvG is better LOL.

Tellah.8073:

its just too obvious to me now, anytime pvp is worked on at all, even after a tournament where no changes happened, the forums erupt in incessant qq and theres always a key couple of posters who touch off the firestorm, and then everyone else jumps aboard the misery train. it seems they even have multiple accounts to post on. it has to be artificial.

LOL, no people have been saying conquest mode is bad since before release.

Reason you see myself and GvGers here is because Anet is trying to kill our popular game mode with server wide orb stat boosts. Its a prime time for us to point out that the GvG matches spread by word of mouth inside the WvW/GvG community is getting views on par with PAX.

Should be a wakeup call that there is something seriously wrong with PvP conquest mode from builds right down to limited stat choices from just having amulets. GW2 is doing great but PvP has been rejected its getting replaced with GvGs and Anet is trying to kill GvGs maybe they feel its pulling players from their e-sport I dont know what goes on in the heads of some Anet folks.

Shiren.9532:

They can’t even get enough people to participate in a 5v5 tournament arena to have a healthy community, what makes you think they can get 40 people at any point in time to justify a zerg vs zerg arena?

First 20v20 is a thing the community is doing it. Its drawing views on part with that conquest mode crap. Second, GvG community does not want PvP the stats are boring build options are limited. Third we are worried Orbs server wide buff will ruin our game mode a game mode with a fan base just as high as PvP and its just getting started.

Simple we just dont want Anet to kitten up GvGs with server wide stat buffs. Just give a little zone tied to WvW with no stat boost that guilds can walk into have a GvG then go back to WvW. Win win the community continues to grow and have fun everyone is happy, except of course the PvPers still trying to make conquest mode a thing lol.

butch.8136:

Define best PvP’er and best GvG’er? You can’t compare it because it are two different things.

They are two game modes I agree, one is about holding points and taking points with a secondary goal of killing targets.

The other is about wiping the other team, you see more team work with use of blast finishers true team combos with CC burst peeling etc…. and a wide range of build options for each class due to PvE stats.

I have been shocked at how…. average the top 100 PvP players are. Skill use mistakes random dodging, poor control of class things I just dont see when at the WindMill in WvW fighting the best from each server. This is because WvW has a constant influx of players and out of those players some decide to improve individual skills leading to more good players to fight.

PvP on the other hand has a small population pool and its getting smaller everyday the pool of players that do PvP as a main focus is likely only a few hundred tops. The best GvG is coming from a pool of players much larger.

GW2 has been accepted by the MMO community its a good game…. however conquest PvP with limited stat choices has been totally rejected. Its failed massive fail that can not be debated, GvG matches are drawing views on par with Anets PAX crap…. Whats scary is GvG is a new thing its just getting started.

No one is really asking for anything we just dont want Orbs to kill GvG considering its close to passing PvP in popularity.

butch.8136:

Xom.9264:

Ill say it one more time the best people on the leader boards are nothing when put up against the best GvG folks I have faced. Perhaps thats just the nature of conquest mode being 1v1 and top 3v3 fights the majority of the time, there is no real group concept outside of simple focus targeting. Leading to limited group skills and game mechanic understanding of pure PvPers.

Wauw…. Really? o.O O.o O.O

So those 20 people are playing more as a team than a 5man group? There is no focus targeting? So it’s just yolo?

I tend towards the 5-15 range for GvGs but respect the best 20v20s and know them to be of high skill level. Lower population servers GvGs is more in the 5v5 and 10v10 range, I get that the 20v20 is not for everyone that includes me.

I used to think WvW was full of easy kills…. and it is but the population is so much higher then PvP when you dig deeper you find a massive community of elite GvGs constantly doing 5v5s deathmatch and up.

When I decided to get top 100 on the leader boards I expect to fight players of great skill level what I seen was spammers constantly making mistakes or just running cheese builds poorly. Total let down, the skill level and quality of the GvGers is much higher then the PvP conquest mode community.

What can you possible say? Have you faced the best GvGers and also faced the best PvPers top 100?

I have and I just laid down a truthful reality check on the PvP community.

Nes

Needs deathmatch and more gear stat choices would fix alot of issues, mainly the lack of FUN issue that is conquest.

10v10 is a popular from of GvG. 5v5 in conquest mode map is not the same as fighting foes from another server 5v5 with PvE gear stats. PvP stats are far too limited

Ill say it one more time the best people on the leader boards are nothing when put up against the best GvG folks I have faced. Perhaps thats just the nature of conquest mode being 1v1 and top 3v3 fights the majority of the time, there is no real group concept outside of simple focus targeting. Leading to limited group skills and game mechanic understanding of pure PvPers.

Are there any actual top 100 leader board folks here trolling GvG?

Lordrosicky.5813:

Xom.9264:

Conquest is why its a fail plain and simple. Deathmatch style is what people watch and want to play more.

Have you played pvp? Most fights involve just clicking your buttons as tiny asuras run around the screen.

Yeah I got to 200 or so in Tpvp just solo joining and with the new solo queue last I check I was 67th. I did it just for the lawls its a boring game mode, 5v5 10v10 deathmatch is much more complex and rewarding. I agree asura are annoying.

Oh and GW2 is not dying its doing great, conquest is dying people just dont like it. Many seen this coming ages ago, I do feel bad for all the people that put effort into conquest mode.

Zumy.6318:

Dont get me wrong. I dont say GvGers (what an odd term) are bad players and I know for sure that the most vocal tPvPers are huge scrubs that could not compete in any other game but this 20vs20 thing is nonsense. Its thrilling and fun to win, but it is not competitive PvP. Neither is tPvP.

The majority of GvG is 5v5 to 10v10.

Conquest game mode is not 5v5.

The last large GvG match had nearly as many views as PAX…. thats comical on a epic level. Its just more fun to do GvGs and watch them, yeah I like the smaller scale fights more but be it 5v5 or 20v20 its deathmatch.

Deathmatch > Conquest always has been always will be.

Anyway.

Warriors dominate the top 100 solo queue.

They need this with WvW stats.

PvP stats are far to limited, aka boring.

Xsorus.2507:

You don’t have to play a Warrior to deal with Rangers, But the Warrior is the easiest method of doing it because the Warrior is incredibly powerful right now.

You are arguing with people that are just not very good at the game. I doubt any of them are even on the top of the leader boards if they were they would know warrior is a powerhouse.

@ all the PvPers that think they are elite

GvGers are on your leader boards killing your dudes. Conquest mode promotes poor play and cheese gimmicks this is clear as you see how low the skill level is of the best pvper when put against the skill level of the best GvGers.

Wryog.5073:

For some reason I’d prefer (the “WvW”) GvG to NOT be developed as a competitive game mode. Maybe it’s because of what happened to sPvP. Maybe it’s because what happened to LoL.
Just leave it to develop piece by piece and see where it goes. No esports rush on this, please.

Agree, GvG is growing without and probably because Anet is not involved in it.

You will see alot of GvG fan posting because we worry Anet is trying to kill such a popular game mode build by the community…..with Orbs.

Give us a space to fight with no Orbs and with our PvE gear. Reason for PvE gear is its gives a wide range of build choices for classes leading many viable builds for classes.
PvP build and gear options are wayyyyyyy to narrow.

Just a simple option to turn off the Orb buffs would be great… assuming they are visable to foes. We dont even need a special space we already picked one.

Conquest is why its a fail plain and simple. Deathmatch style is what people watch and want to play more.

Butch you keep saying 20v20 but thats is the least common GvG. The majority of GvG is 5v5 by the windmill with alot of 10v10. Dont go based of GW2GvG.com matches that is is an very low sample size of the GvGs going on.

I also dislike 20v20 however there is a method and tactics in that play mode, more so then conquest I can tell you that. 15v15 is my cutoff for GvGs, 10v10 is the sweet spot where combos and blast finishers really help however there are other tactics that work just as well.

GvG is also 5v5 I would say its the most common form of GvGs. Has it own meta, cheese auto play build like spirit rangers dont have a place in it. Super tanks dont really have a place need a balance of defense damage condi to do well.

People still are arguing.

Warrior > spirit ranger
Warrior also > necro

Warrior is in a very strong position right now.

PvP is dying because conquest is not a mode people like to play.

GvG is growing because deathmatch is a mode people like, its rewards skilled play and real team work also gives more build options, tactics, and counter play.

WvW has a deathmatch GvG community growing.

Yes its pulling from PvP its pulled me away from PvP conquest. However its also the only reason I still play this game.

I used to mock WvW players as being bad, but inside the GvG community are the best players in this game bar none. This coming from an average GvG players that casually and with ease climbed top 100 in solo queue. Even the best in the leaderboards at least in NA are average players, I found the real beast of this game in GvGs. Next level stuff.

PvP is a joke the skill level is low because conquest does not attract good players its never has in any game. I dont want to offend anyone its just so clear as day for someone that has been fighting the ‘best’ in leaderboards and GvGs who is really the best players.

PAXA tried this same thing with 5 man roaming groups in the low tiers. Here is what happened when guilds started losing they quit, that’s including PAXA. Part of the fun of WvW is rolling lower skilled players that outnumber you, casually farming people. Running into the absolute best constantly with one slip up leading to a wipe gets folks burnt out. No casual group make up or alts etc…

Other issue its going to be PvDoor on off hours.

GvG is great and all but its a very minor bit of the playtime WvWers do. The core of the best GvG guilds I have seen are really small man roamers that enjoy the constant outnumbered fights.

Beware sucking the fun out of guilds WvW playtime.

Look at the views on Ogres videos, we have a community and the numbers to push for a field to do GvGs with PvE gear stats. Deathmatch GvG is the most popular game mode in any MMO I have ever played.

In addition I think the GvG guilds on each server are having a positive impact more guilds are getting involved more players larger community. Yes there are bad apple rude GvG guilds but we are seeing an increase in numbers of guilds wanting to GvG, even in the low tiers we are starting to get more people watching matches and guilds that never used to GvG are fielding teams. There are a ton of ‘unoffical’ matches being played each week.

Running to a few servers would lead to a slow death of the GvG population. It would be a mistake in the long run.

There where ET folks in NSP, seen FSAE and others. Not huge numbers but plenty to keep NSP honest with defenders in their BL. Plenty of good fights between ET and NSP in last night.

Could someone from Os send me, we are trying to set up a GvG but dont have a contact thats online. Thanks

I guess 1 year gear progression is ok just really dont want to see another gear bump past ascended. I would be fine with legendary gear that you can change stats around armor and all.

No more gear stat boosts.

Win your 1v1s, communicate, fight on nodes, move fast to nodes under attack, leave fights your team is going to win to take other nodes.

Yeah andplay a Ranger, Warrior, Gaurd or Necro.

I made the same mistake as you Inverted thought I would get a title for top 100…..

Or at least a little AP something anything.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Would there be any guilds available in lower tiers to get some practice matches going in and against Gate of Madness?

Im sure ET and GoM servers will meet up again at some point. Two guilds on ET, IoM and BS are always up for GvGs and duels.

FC has [deth] strong group for the larger 15v15, FC also has our old dueling friends in [Yarr] a 5 man roaming guild that is expanding they can field 10 I think.

HoD has [VLK] fine group of players 10 range.

DR has [OHai] impressive 5 man group they might be able to fill to 10 I’m not sure.

Thats a decent display of awesome Bones, but Belle is a trekkie.
Now for some classic next level awesome.

Dream In A Dream.7213:

Alien.5890:

Well, looks like im joining the group of people quitting/leaving DR. Today has really shown that DR is bottom tier material without all of these guilds that have left

I could have sworn that we got into t8 with you guys leading the charge. But maybe I am totally wrong, and it was all the other people who trolled their way into t8. Glad to see you leave, and thank you for your help getting us into t8. Have fun trolling other servers.

DR will be fine, the people that stay will build a good foundation. In time you will do better, just be sure to crush any trolls the second they pop up those are the ones that cause guilds to leave. A strong WvW community will develop and attract good guilds looking to leave bad community servers at the higher tiers.

Reminder fightnight is Thursday by DR BL windmill.

Deathmatch with leader boards, watch how fast conquest dies as a fun game mode is picked by the player.

Conquest is the problem. You see the heave bunker thing go away and face more diverse teams in deathmatch.

I did not sync.

WvW player that felt like getting top 100. The real problem is conquest mode is boring.

Come to WvW do GvG’s its why I still play this game.

Lets start out by being realalistic, GvG matches for any guild typically only happen once maybe twice a week and as a time slice of a whole weeks WvW match up are totally insignificant.

Guilds that are doing and starting to get active in GvG continue to improve and with that improvement are able to wipe larger and larger guilds/pugs with less organization.

Win or lose GvG is building a sense of community, scratch that GvG has a community that is growing and encouraging sportsmanship and has its own meta much more interesting then spvp metas.

The GvG community fills a massive void Anet left open in this ‘PvP’ game. The simple desire for deathmatch style play, an absolute core of every MMO game PvP in history. It speaks volumes that a site dedicated to tracking guilds and a youtube chan commenting on results of those matches is growing larger and larger every week.

http://gw2gvg.com/leaderboard.php?r=na
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQHGxZVV5lU

GvG is a positive thing for this game, there are only a few ‘bad apple’ guilds transferring around behaving rudely towards the server they call home that week. The majority of GvG guilds have a home server and do add PPT or at the very least tie up numbers much larger then them.

Since our guild started doing GvG all of a sudden we are under attack from server mates… we still do the same things we always done if anything we are adding more PPT each week because our members are more active and interested in the game again. Servers give your home grown GvG guilds a break you might find someday how fun GvG can be as a 30min break once a week from taking objects.

On a personal note, GvG and WvW is the only reason I still play this game. PvP is a total joke its not fun, its not challenging. I just recently did a solo queue climb to a rating of 80. Dont waste your time, the game play of conquest mode is boring and full of gimmicks, its not nearly as rewarding or fun as GvG or PPT based WvW for that matter. Also the player quality and community is much lower then those I have met doing GvGs.

Agree 100% power can work very well, the necro from [EP] in the GvG with [Agg] showcased a well played power necro in larger fight. [Agg] at the time of the fight with [EP] was ranked number 1 so these are good players the power necro was fighting.

Fight is around 6:35 worth a watch if you like power necros.

Bones.5762:

“everyone do whatever you want, don’t die, that is all.”

Wow…… Tuna, Hop, Purp, lil homie and myself spent hours coming up with that tactic and you just gave it out on the forums

WoW 2.0

Grind PvE so you can PvP

Bit late on response, staff is useful and simple.

The axe/focus, D/D version is more flexable and best built as more pure bunker run clerics, trait dark armor, use well of blood, well of darkness, well of power, and a spectral or another well.

The rotation is more complex but its harder to take down without condi pressure, ill post a detailed version if you care.

Yes necros can support very well vs the best GvG comps in the game, all while doing decent pressure.

I consider my GvG necro build a support build. http://gw2gvg.com/leaderboard.php?r=na Proof is in the pudding as they say

Shademehr.1397:

For the record, you’ve been more vocal about your disdain for non-GvG activities (and “PUGS” in general) than I have ever been about GvG battles.

First I have no idea who you are, disdain for pugs? I have never trolled ETs pugs or talked smack to them in /map /say /team ever.

Outright lying and pointless drama, what for?

Non-GvG activities is the huge majority of mine and BS WvW play time GvG is a rare thing and is a matter of server and guild pride. BS is a flexable guild we take and attack objects mulitple times a week, not exactly for PPT but more to get fights happening. You are projecting sterotypes and the views of other ‘roaming guilds’ onto BS.

BS has been fighting and yes taking towers to get more fights when ET was bottom server, when the whole of all ETs WvW populations was a handful there were BS members in that handful.

I have to ask who the kitten are you? An old ET player that used to WvW and stopped after trolling all the WvW population and guilds away…I heard about ETs fall being caused by people like you this is the first i have seen it…. did you come back to WvW now that the server is doing well, are you going to troll us the people that never stopped fighting even when we where the only few people in whole borderlands.

Shademehr.1397:

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Just the three who were down in the middle of a gvg to “rez a random necro” (which is still mind blowingly wrong in a GvG setting).

If that “random necro” was who I think it was, then I’m glad as hell that he jumped into the middle of that GvG. All these posts full of whining started about the time that a rather large IoJ zerg took our Bay and proceeded to make a play at several other things.

Our BL was queued and no one could get in to help defend. All you GvG’ers were taking up precious spots.

Just out of curiosity, do you IoJ tend to coordinate your large zerg attacks in someone’s BL, while there are also GvG’s going on simultaneously, on purpose?

At any rate, whoever decided to put a halt to them, thanks.

Well considering there was more IoJ there watching the GvG then ET folks by near double the numbers it was a net gain for ET.

All it would of taken is a simple send saying the BL has a queue and we would of moved with no problem, we did do just that in fact.

Now you are going to post on the forums about how happy you are a fellow ET trolled other ET players? Leave your high tier infighting drama kid kitten at the door this is small community ET, our guilds work together or at the very least don’t publicly and in game troll each other.

For those of you not in the loop, The commanders of ET turned down a WXP swap farming of DR’s EB. I knew ET would turn down the farming swaps and Im glad they did, also expected IoJ to come calling because they have been near absent in ET BL. Whatever the reason behind IoJ finally attacking our BL is moot, that’s the point of WvW.

ET commanders did the right thing tonight, and BS relocated the GvG when we found out the BL had a queue. The only ET people that did something messed up was those that trolled the GvG and your kitten saying how happy you are about it.

Something did happen that fight I know one Necro jumped towards the end but he was not from IoM. I dont like doing larger GvGs with alot of spectators not part of either guild something always seems to happen.

It caused us to move to another BL.

Great fights HARD strongest guild we faced yet. Keep it up you will beat alot of guilds out there for sure, great team work. Also have some real heavyweight 1v1 players two HARD members I dueled after turned out to some of the best I have ever seen.

If anyone does not know now they do, HARD is no joke.