Where’s all the SF people for the fight club? All I see are the BS crew right now.
Edit: Quit messing with ET’s stuff and come show ur stuff!
After guild missions I came back to fight night and there was a fair amount of SF there had some really good duels against mulitple classes. Was around 9-10 server time so late for east coast people.
Yeah I agree, the level of trolling just goes higher and higher until its totally pointless. It can be fun at times give extra motivation when you see people ingame, but eventually the wit and sarcasm gets drowned out by nonsense (ARM) and it gets boring.
Ah yet another fellow trying to talk the talk but cant walk the walk…. Nice troll agree to a GvG then not showing up, thought your were small man and down for the hard fights?
People like brah and you might troll Vs for agreeing to GvG, but if you wont even try for fear of failing you will amount to nothing in game and life, and thats some real talk.
This is what Xom posts a screenshot about lol. We’re sitting there, as you see no spectators as the mighty BS killed them all, we’re sitting by the windmill ready for round three, and here comes the best guild in the world getting in a cheap one. Nice 2 rounds of GvG, you guys are pretty kitten boring. Nuff said.
10 v 10 zero issue, this time Vs shows up with 20 +5-8 spectators and its chaos.
There was a Vs fellow in the middle of us trolling keeping us in combat, can even see it in you own video. We were sick of you killing people offering stack removal that you requested, we were sick of your guilds spectators hitting us keeping us in combat preventing regen. So yes we wiped your annoying kitten, we are not saints was it your whole plan to troll at that GvG match until we did something you could cry about on the forums and paint us as the bad guys? Sure seems like it from my point of view.
What a total twist you are, I have no idea why people follow guild leaders like you its pathetic.
@the rest of Vs dump the dipkitten leader you will have more fun in game and grow as guild and as players, friendly rivals works wonders for improving as ideas are traded and practice GvGs are done, you will get no place with this troll leader.
especially when they took players new to the guild from SF to it that I recognized from the screenies as being bad at pvp in general.
Fightnight is Thursday GoM windmill, the people you call bad in Vs showed up to a fight at least. Will you back all this talk up? come on by I would love to see your skills in action.
I don’t need to. Unlike VS I know I am better than you. I know, I know.. You’ll ask why and how because I’ve never “dueled” any of you. Doesn’t matter. I’ve seen you run from many a fight, even 2 vs 1 and yes some from me. If I was small ego as you desperately trying to find some pvp prestige in wvw(lol)I might take you up on that offer, but I’m not. WvW is simple and uncomplicated. If I want to tpvp, there is tpvp for it.
I knew there was zero chance of you showing up just wanted to see what you would type, carry on.
For everyone else, its actually a great place to learn and improve I got crushed by some people the first time I showed up. After, build, gear and skill use improvements I was able to hold my own.
especially when they took players new to the guild from SF to it that I recognized from the screenies as being bad at pvp in general.
Fightnight is Thursday GoM windmill, the people you call bad in Vs showed up to a fight at least. Will you back all this talk up? come on by I would love to see your skills in action.
@breh jumping in the middle to troll because I commented on what a clown you been for pages, fair turnabout I guess.
We have GvGed for months without issue, multiple guilds from multiple servers, its a great way to improve and my friends list is packed with people from those GvGs. Insult away I said I was not going to argue anymore and I wont.
Then killed all the spectators when they tried to res for the 2nd round…
lulz
So much for the GvG
No respect. I’m sorry.
Stacks were removed as demanded for the second fight we still won with zero deaths. If we seemed a bit restless its because you killed people that walked up and let you remove stacks instead of just downing them, that got some people mad including me.
The whole thing was pointless and honestly boring, 10 v 20 would of been a better fight take that as an insult if you want but its the in game reality.
Next time you GvG dont kill people that agree to let you remove stacks. Do you honestly not understand why that would get people worked up that just stomped you? I was ready to wipe everyone with the Vs tag at that point but the guild wanted to do one more GvG without stacks just to remove any doubt.
Done wasting time arguing with Vs forum warriors, we have been a fairly quite respectful guild until this point so grats Vs you did for a moment bring us down to your level.
Anyway good news I got some solid drops and ranked up, thanks.
@brah, Its intervention time, you are outposting by word count the two you’re arguing with at a 10:1 rate. That is not a sign of winning, slow down and work on something with wit or sarcasm or just plain shock value forum ban nasty, that will get a +1.
@Aphix.9846
Conditions arnt dead and completely useless par-say and less amount of people there are the more effective they become (if you compare a 60 man full BL zerg to say a GvG 20 vs. 20 it would become more effective because of the lack of passive condi removal flying around).
Pretty much every Warrior on NA runs Melandru, Lemongrass and Dogged March. So were-as the poison and bleed might be somewhat effective damage the cripple is almost never going to stick (then apply that to Chilling Darkness, Staff 3 ect).
The damage would be effective if you can land such a combo after there stability & healing phase though and it could be worth playtesting for people who enjoy condition builds.
Smart, yes in lower size fights conditions are fine I made the change from power wells to conditions because our guild does more 5 – 10 man roaming and the zergs we attack are in the 15-30 range. I found conditions plenty effective and we already have engs for vuln stacking. Lemon grass will counter pizza/koi cakes so its a wash, Melandru runes however destroy fear damage so I don’t recommend builds that push fear duration to max by taking master of terror anymore. Its overkill on typical wvw pug players your going to win the fight anyway, better to use the trait points on soul marks or just not go into the DS line as conditions in WvW.
Also I’m so kitten sick of seeing the mightytroll trolling good necros giving correct advice. He does not wvw he has no guild that does GvG his Tpvp rating is terrible and his builds are below average theory craft level trash. Dude just does not play any game mode GvG, WvW, pve, spvp or tpvp at any level where he should be giving advice. Pure garbage with an ego of unreal levels for no reason he has done nothing is part of nothing and adds nothing of value to the necro forums.
That vid is giving away T1 elite guild secrets, as you can see the tactics are to ball, charge, AoE…. then you ball, charge, AoE … after that you ball, charge, AoE… and finally as a finishing move you ball, charge, AoE.
Only problem is you never actually learn to play your class running around like that, eventually you will get farmed by people that did learn their class.
No one rage quit our guild from you guys rofl, they left because they didn’t like the way I insulted them after being rally bait.
That was the 8 v 15 we won right? It would not of mattered if you killed one of us it was a lopsided victory.
Pancakez you are the first guild to ever get this many responses from BS people on the forums, and thats because of your failed forum warrior efforts.
Claiming to have wiped us before you even met us last week got this whole things started, and even after we continually proved how wrong you were, still you lie.
Its not even close anymore we counter your tactics with half the people, whats pathetic is you are now playing the hurt party. You made your bed, but in the future you might want to stop letting that alligator mouth overloaded your hummingbird kitten .
Ha I actually told the guild to leave Vs be on the forums its like kicking people when they are down. /shrug
Yeah I guess some BS folks are picking on you, tends to happen when you call folks free loot before you even met them on the field. Not telling all the facts wont get you any bonus points, annoying 35 v 10 you finally win, before you say Vs did not have 35. It was cosa and ice hitting us from behind that won the day, not anything you did.
I’m actually really glad you guys tend to run more survivable builds. Some people I know still think that running zerker gear is for the highest level of skill, but I personally don’t like bursty builds. I think there is a lot to be said for people who can take a longer engagement and consistently out-perform their opponent to the end. And you guys are are great example of how that works.
That said, don’t rest easy. You have it easy now while VS is very young and new and most people are still finishing builds and training for their classes. We will be sure to only make it harder for you guys from here on out. >:D
We are not as bunker as you think, few people bunk on their guards otherwise everyone is balanced or near zerker. Bunk is a good starting point to learn a class in pvp/wvw after that depending on the class its much better to go zerk or balanced.
You have to risk losing to win, some of the people in BS that run zerker you would swear are bunkers due to really understand their classes. When they are not under heavy pressure and go all offense you see the zerker/balanced gear in action.
Keep at it, BS always had a great core but has been beat before, since then the guild has set loses strait in lopsided dramatic fashion and improved leaps and bounds over the past few months due to constantly challenging others and adapting. We know Vs with lower numbers is rolling solid ET guilds and of course the GoM folks, so when BS rolls Vs with our lesser numbers egos start to grow, we have gone sometime without losing a GvG over open field fight that were are not vastly outnumbered and could probable do with a loss or two. Until that time Vs best bet is to take a note from IoM, they admit losses and just move on to the next fight without pause.
@ Pancakez, Jakare likes to taunt larger guilds he just does not like them same with most BS folks. But if it helps, you’re actually one of the very few larger guild we have to play carefully when fighting.
I think this is the first time we had a back and forth with a larger guild… all the talk of Vs wiping ETs larger guilds with fewer numbers got us interested. Now when we know you are on a map we come looking, its enjoyable fighting.
You’re tactics and builds are meant to bust the giant lag ball zergs and you do it well, I get it the stacking and staying in a ball you have to do that when facing 40 with 20 else get melted by AoE. Our builds and focus is to take on reasonable size ‘zergs’, we really are just a chaotic uncontrolled bunch of solo/small scale artists that kind of sort of play as a group. Two guilds focused on polar opposite playstyle, some BS folks will troll a bit even me time to time dont let it bug you.
For Power Necros I can see using two stun breakers like that, but if you run into large zergs, you should have a nice built party where a guardian can help be the front line to break up some of the stuns for the backline to do what we do best. If you have the right set up front line, mid line, backline everyone should do the rule just right so no one should get to much stun and need two of them. Now if it is a ice cream sandwich party. Than yeah maybe two would work but not so much with my well build necro.
Agree, however my guess is he runs in a unorganized zerg so just tries to stay alive while tagging as many people as possible for maximum loot.
Ummm… I’m pretty sure GoM is losing now. I was thinking we were going to get destroyed by GoM, as I’ve heard about your large zergs and things. If GoM beats SF, it looks like it will only be from Oceanic coverage (If you have any, I have no clue) but if you’re dependant on your NA coverage, well.. you’re about 4k behind ATM. Anyway, VS had fun tonight playing against GoM for a change. Haven’t seen zergs in a while. Hope the large fights continue all week.
Your guild is going to farm then like nothing you have ever seen. Last match up with GoM everyone on ET agreed GoM has the worst average player skill of any server we ever faced….. but they have numbers we could just not overcome.
I’m hoping there are some good players in the mix and want to get a GvG or two from GoM folks.
BS(basic) an ET guild would like to do GvGs this week with any willing guilds 1v1 up to 15v15.
We dont have the numbers and I understand how boring just pvdoor can get so if you want to test your guilds skills in a even number fight, send me game or on the forums to set it up.
One necro took down and killed a whole team of 8 people.
8 v 1.
Yeah that was me, only you need to count the 4 guards and lord too. Also while you were all spawn zerging me so was more like a 21 v 1 at least. Forgot to take a screen shot or record it but totally a true story.
Oh did necro based teams start winning all the top tournaments? Far as I know it was the same base class comps dominating as day one, was just less faceroll for them.
When Gaurdian, Engs and Eles are no longer part of the comp in the majority of top tournament teams then we can talk.
Sure sure, but if we gave you life force at the beginning of the match, how would that help you when you’re in battle? What I mean is, by the time you get into combat, have used a fear or two, have used some life steal, other life-force producing skills, etc., do you not have the life force you need to try and survive?
Good teams know to focus the necro instantly because the necro has no stability or lifeforce at the start. A good team will never let a necro get the lifeforce in the first place to survive, the necro will be dead.
Im casual in this game really casual and still got to 300 or so rating at one point just pugging and button mashing, the real issue is the pool of players that are actually good is very low its nothing like say WoW arena in its hayday.
So you really dont have teams exploiting how weak a necro is other then a few very top teams.
On topic, necro is the only class that must avoid fighting before it can fight. Other classes get to play instantly, warrior adren boosts damage so is not tied to the most important thing in GW2, not dying. Necros defense is tied to DS but you can’t get DS until you are in a fight, so you have to be careful not to really get in a fight at the start and hang on the outskirts, and that works fine until you run into a team of players that are actually good and focus you.
Anyway you should probably just buff Guardians more because you dont want a class meta change in a game with a pvp population too small to even have a meta.
@Shanks, I was going to do the typical cool story brah comment but decided to skim over your vid real quick. Good music choice and almost exactly the build and skills I plan for my eng. Overall not bad, you just need better opponentes higher tiers have been holding you back, while the majority of AR will lament the fall in tiers you will enjoy it as you get a feel for where the cool kids hang out. Should be some folks at fight club later in the night that will keep things in perspective, hope to see you there.
On this note, I also propose a fight club this thursday for all 3 servers. SF BL, south camp, windmill. /bow to duel, no stomps. I actually don’t work at night this time so I’ll be able to make it. Someone should come up with a good time, sometime in the later evening sounds acceptable.
Aye thursday is fight club lots of duels to be had and sometimes small scale GvG 2s -5s is typical.
I know the usual SF folks will be there, but I’m looking forward to seeing the new AR folks and all their mesmers and guards.
Yeah, you might want to stay out of EB if you are looking for some challenging roamers to fight and duel. SF or AR south ruins is typically a good spot all it takes is a beckon or a point and a bow. I’m sure there will be plenty of footage of you getting spiked so you can continue making videos.
@ ET and SF, give AR a break folks just one or two smack talkers here that will probably jump ship soon anyway.
Fight night was meh…ET had about 5-6 peeps there, SF around 4-5, FC-0….Pretty sad to see no FC presence, Silent from [Yarr] was there at the very beginning but I am guessing he found some roaming to do since there was all of 3 people there at the start.
General rule of thumb, if SF outnumbers you at fight night, then you are slipping…kitten doesn’t really have a lot of “fight-nighters”, and that is also the night that they do PVE stuff.
Fightnight was wednesday not planed but ended up that way, few people started dueling then more showed up and before you know it multiple GvG fights and a ton of fun.
Insane Pancakez, chill a bit I commented on your vid mostly because im sick of vids with bad music showing zergs wiping smaller groups, thats just my personal taste.
If you want to set up some GvG with BS its does not take much effort we are constantly doing friendly or the rare not so friendly matches. We can do these next time servers meet.
Looking for a 5v5 with “baby paxa” ….. message me KoM to set it up. Don’t be scared.
Just skimming posts in my old HoD server. Had to do a drive by post.
You should be a bit more respectful towards other small man guilds. Its a close knit community If you write too many checks and are known to be a disrespectful guild people will start talking about the checks that bounced.
You folks are decent but you should understand at this point there is room for improvement after getting some guilds serious mode on you.
I find its easier to set up GvG matches vs other good groups and try new class makes ups or play alts when egos are put aside and people chill with no fear of trolling.
Posting a vid of rolling people with a larger zerg even attacking smaller zergs that were already engaged is going to get at least one comment. I would of let it go but you then tied to claim what people just clearly seen in the video is not at all what happened and the pugs around you did nothing it was all you, ignore the fact the smaller zerg is engaged with pugs etc…
Dont let me stop you from talking smack, have at it adds flavor.
In our previous video, one of you talked about all the green dots on the map.
That would be me that made the post, it was a minor comment based on what I seen in the vid, I have no idea what you or your guild is capable of all I can go on is the video.
Now since that early point in the thread I see a few of your members asking for 25 v 25 etc….. well here is my take on it. Its is a little crazy to expect a high level of play at this tier with that kind of size. The only WvW guilds at this tier with those kinds of numbers are super casual open to all guilds (nothing wrong with that at all).
If you wanted to chest thump about 25 v 25 gvg you should of done it at higher tiers. Doing it the week you fight the two smallest population severs in NA seems a little silly.
If you want to 5 v 5 up to 10 v 10 max you will find guilds that can answer the call and would be happy to do GvG that’s about as big as this tier guilds get.
My advice is to chill a bit you might be shocked at the level of competition and skill these lower tier guilds will bring to the table in 5 v 5 even 10 v 10, many a higher tier roaming guild has started off chest banging then quickly stopped after GvG matches with any number of the great low tier guilds.
In that footage my guild was about 23 of us and we pretty much killed your zergs alone.
Right, in the heat of a fight its sometimes hard to see how many are actually on your side because they dont stick out with red name tags. I see a video of a massive zerg wiping smaller zergs.
I dont really partake in that side of WvW anyway, carry on.
Well I will probably just get the celestrial ascended items do the real stats build focus with armor and weapons they are easy to get with badges or karma.
dagger is absolutely useless in wvw and so is scepter
How to lose all credibility in 10 words or less.
im not talking about roaming, that is NOT wvw, I mean running with a 20+ group
Slow your roll there champ, I clearly said its useful under 20 in small group play. Its great in roaming but you dont think that roaming is WvW so really no point in arguing about it.
Why are zergers so defensive when someone mentions small group fights Ill never know.
I have the highest respect for high level players, I simply state that most of their builds are bad, or simply lacking. Gibbly is the only ‘high level’ player that I dislike intently.
Thats not what you told me, you listed names saying they were all bad then went on to say all top necros are bad other then zombie something. /shrug
Well we got a few weeks of peace, it was wonderful. Now I guess its back to constant posting about ‘meta’ and use of the word context with zero understanding of either word.
I’m leveling up my pve engineer and before I invest my hard earned laurels I was wondering if there are any good celestrial hybrid pistol/nades builds that I can test in pvp.
I know it wont be optimal but if its decent I like the idea of just having one ascended gear trinket set and changing armor if I want to go power or pure condi.
Any Champion Genius/ high rank WvW engineers have advice?
Eng and Wars built for control match up very well vs necros, exploit the classes weakness of no stun breaks and stability.
Actually necros have both stun breaks and stability.. this is engis weakness since last patch actually, and why lot of people dropped elix R.
Skills like well of power (similar to elixir c, plus stun breaker) and spectral walk, break stuns. Not to mention DS stability from 30 in soul reaping, which is not even necessary imo having such utilities.
Probably the only way to easily taking him down, is zerging him, like one class (warrior) using full cc utilities, and another one bursting him.. agree whit that one :P
A necro that takes 30 in DS for stability is going to do very low condition damage and or have poor defense, its not the build people think is strong.
The stun breaks are on really long cooldowns and most necros dont take them other then spectral walk and thats normally already been used for movement speed, if the necro takes the stun breaks then condi pressure is going to be much lower.
I’m giving advice not here to argue or give false info, necro is easy to counter as the 1 v 1 tourny showed. CC or turrets builds do very well vs necros, burst spike can kill them if they are not working with a full bar of LF.
Its not an automatic faceroll victory for the eng vs a good necro however you will win more times then you lose with practice. Thief is the class for faceroll wins eng is the class that has a higher rewarding skill cap.
Jalmari idea of pvt/earth runes + ascended zerk jewelry is a good idea maybe go with knights or zerk weapons.
@Aphix at lower tiers the fights are more 5-20 man so dagger does have a role so does a semi-tanky build for necro. This is because if you are in a typical 10-15 man ‘zerg’ thieves will pick you out and if you are glass its insta gib.
For the massive zergs in higher tier yes I agree with you.
Helping you out. Btw I am a thief and engis(good ones) are even worse than guards to 1v1.
Thief damage is high. Too high.
Didn’t you face fresh air S/D eles? or actually shatter mesmers? They’ll take you down whitout even going stealth. And necros can burst equally high these days. To say that thieves burst is op isn’t only false, it’s outdated.
Thieves burst is OP because they can do it over and over with no danger of dying due to stealth abuse. Other classes need to commit if their combo is countered they are in the fight win or lose. Stealth mesmers can get away also but their reset time to abuse stealth is much longer then thieves they also do not have the movement skills.
Some wars have figured it out, and are running really hard to counter stun knockdown daze builds. It lowers our condition stacking uptime causing poor damage combined with their removal of conditions.
Anet sure loves siege and unskilled play, AoE caps really hurts organized small groups trying to kill zergs.
Siege I hate with a passion, they are even adding it to more PvP maps skyhammer super cannon. Who are the people in Anet pushing for more and stronger siege in everysingle game mode? Its just the worst direction I have ever seen a game take with PvP.
Its not that the PvP community hates change, they just want to fight other players with their class. If they wanted to kill players with siege they would be doing WvW a game mode with massive amounts of overpowered siege.
I would venture a guess that the majority of the tPvP community would be ok with the new map minus the cannon and super tiny nodes.
because then we could go back to the 2 bunkers 3 roamers setup we use on every other map, right?
Because Anet should balance the classes not add a gimmick to hide poor game balance.
