Guild Wars 2

Mesmers are fine, they are getting stronger condi removal next patch if anything that will make them out of control faceroll again. Just bad design when AI builds/classes are strongest.

Well AoEs are needed because of all the lazy evade spamming classes and the constant porting all over. Also needed for the stealth trolls.

Push a button and fly all over the map automatic has some people thinking they are more skilled then other classes that dont have easy mode movement.

waka.9826:

Got the balls to respond Jon?

Got the balls to respond Jeff?

For some reason this reminds me of that time I called a cop lazy, that went well.

Fight night is normally thursday but you can get random duels all week just try to join any BS people or invite solo ones always more then a few up for it. HARD and CORE has some good duelers also. HoD has VLK folks and a few from other guilds that duel time to time.

@Sororita why would you expect props for roaming on a necro let alone two its a very strong combo and class in WvW. Even before the necro buffs solo roaming was my bread and butter, now its kind of silly strong.

Kensei.1495:

Why would you ever get that mad for a game.

Inb4 ban

Its a pure troll map, take pulls knockbacks etc and win if they dont have stability.

Has noplace in solo queue rotation.

There are a few people that like conquest and that’s good, play away.

Agree stat creep is crazy right now. Orbs will make it unplayable for some servers give it time.

I have faith that Devs like Devon will drive people to quit out of spite and zero respect and understanding over why everyone does not think using a arrow cart is fun.

He is clearly a fellow that does not enjoy open field fights and really hates organized even number fights, clearly has a zerg mentality thats fine but killing the people that fight outnumbered against bad odds with orbs is a kick in the nuts.

Its like these devs are trying to kill a decent game.

Just make deathmatch some leader boards for it team and solo and leave the community alone thats all it will take trust me.

You know whats not smart….. wasting time balancing for conquest mode a mode that has clearly been rejected. Its always has been a minor game mode in MMOs, deathmatch always has been and always will be the favored game mode of players.

Its great to have other modes but you MUST have deathmatch.

You call someone a coward for not playing a boring broken conquest mode?

If these top leader board people played more you would just get farmed.

I play 1 game every few days tops because
1) queues are long
2) conquest is boring
3) already top 100, no rewards, no title
4) no reason to farm bad players when i can do that in hot join for a faster daily and go back to WvW wasting as little time as possible.

Warrior is already the meta and strongest class in the game. Anet is just not good at finding decent players to test changes with.

Cheri Wolf.3056:

Well it stinks. Because in a random match, it’s hard to communicate well for conquest, whereas with a team arena it’s literally, “try to kill the other team.”

It reduces the NEED to communicate while playing randomly with a group.

Hence why deathmatch is always the most popular mode in MMOs for both casuals and hardcore players. Its can be both simple and complex to the extream depending on the level of play.

Conquest is more annoying then anything as sometimes to win you need to avoid fights and run stupid builds that cant do anything other then hold a circle a bit longer.

Asomal.6453:

I don’t get this obsession with new modes. Without a properly balanced game, new modes won’t do jack .

People will put up with minor imbalance if the mode is fun aka deathmatch you also can work around some classes weaknesses with a good team concept in deathmatch mode. You can do that with conquest not going to waste time explaining why.

1) WvW GvG 3v3 5v5 10v10 all much better then conquest mode.
2) lack of build options (due to limited stats choices via gear)
3) PvP conquest has lower player skill then GvGers I like to fight good players not average or flat out bad.
4) Already climbed PvP leader boards see reason #3

You know whats not working?…. conquest that’s not working and never will.

The deathmatch fights in WvW work and were growing a huge community. 3v3 to 5v5 range is very balanced its works its fun much less gimmicks then conquest. Anet is killing it with orbs probably because its been growing a huge legit PvP community on the brink of passing the offical pvp mode of conquest.

People that do deathmatch have all done the joke PvP conquest mode and many are higher rating then the people still supporting conquest.

The majority of good players in the game have quit or are doing deathmatch in WvW been that way for months.

Warrior has been top dog for over a month at higher ratings…..

PurpleHaze.4157:

You don’t even need a good commander because this happens, and that wasn’t even all of them. We wiped atleast 30+ before they came.

You have a full group so at least 5, you should of killed them all friend no excuses.

Jinks.2057:

Xom.9264:

Well Basic [BS] was number two but cant get matches anymore, ton of dodging and just not that many want to GvG us….. If you knew how many guilds I contacted to try and get GvGs with the last two weeks.

Ahh well gave it a go back to basics of rolling zergs.

Site does look good tho.

In all honesty I would say it’s time to move up tiers but now after orbs….

Naw GvG is a small time slice of WvW and higher tiers = pure zerg. Not that is matters Orbs ruined any GvGs, and word is no deathmatch to be added in PvP…. so yeah guess i better get with the program and work on my arrow cart skills for WvW and skyhammer skills for PvP.

New site looks really good too…..

ahuba.6430:

inc thread closing and well deserved infraction/time ban

Its the truth how would such a thing deserve an infraction and ban.

Ill add, gear progression one of the main selling points of GW2 for me and others.

Enter ascended crafting grindfest….. much more difficult and costly then it should be.

Harbinger.8637:

Also I don’t see how conquest is a dying mode. They’re adding it to WvW with the bloodlust update. If it was a bad mode they wouldn’t add it anymore.

Circular logic… are you an Anet dev because you would fit right in.

Anyway numbers and views really say nothing I guess my level or caring is about zero.

Let me just make this clear one last time, when the views of PAX are the same as popular GvG matches something is seriously and I talking seriously wrong here. 5v5 deathmatch or the 20v20 there is a greater and growing population then all of Tpvp and Soloqueue. Heck a ton of the solo queue are folks like me GvG/WvWers that think its a joke game mode.

Conquest was a good starting point… one year later still having only conquest mode thats a major problem.

Jasher, Phantasm mesmers were/are very easy to play.

Anytime AI does the majority of a classes work/damage its easy to play. Passives are in the same boat.

Expectation bias in this discussion? Never has the label pseudo intellectual been more fitting.

Lordryux.9785:

Xom.9264:

You start with leavers and folks that dont care, happened to me. Higher rating you get it does not happen anymore

the hell are u talking about the solo que matchmaking is totally random. regardless of ur rank.. lol.. you could be rank 63. and paired with rank 1s it doesnt matter you guys really need to get ur facts stright.

Rating is where you stand on the leader boards you are matched up with others in your rating range.

Rank is from farming…. Im actually one of the lowest rank people on the leader boards because i dont farm spvp I have other important more fun things to do like watch paint dry.

If the easy to play class /combo is really strong people comment this is true of all MMOs.

Problem with this game is they keep making the game easier and easier by making the easy builds stronger.

Well Basic [BS] was number two but cant get matches anymore, ton of dodging and just not that many want to GvG us….. If you knew how many guilds I contacted to try and get GvGs with the last two weeks.

Ahh well gave it a go back to basics of rolling zergs.

Site does look good tho.

DevonCarver.5370:

No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.

One of the worst responses I have ever seen from a dev in any MMO. Good stuff.

You might not know but Anet is adding crazy stat boosts to the whole WvW maps for those that control circles on the map…. so the server with the most people will be even stronger and as a side effect kills GvGs.

Change makes no sense, when asked if there could be an option to turn off the buffs here is Devons response.

“No. That is not a possibility at this time. The point of the buff is to affect the WvW game mode as a whole disabling it on your character would lessen the value of the buff to a server and completely invalidate the whole point.”

….. right coming from the same dude that said there is nothing more fun then using an arrow cart.

Said it before enjoy your dying game mode of conquest…. if you had hopes for other game modes you need to drop them Anet will not add something fun like deathmatch. Maybe the next tpvp map will have arrow carts to go with a huge cannon that can one shot you, thats the path Anet is taking.

Most the fights by the windmill are small scale duels and 5v5s, ton of 3v3s (my favorite probably). Im getting the feeling we have alot of bads that know they cant hang in deathmatch format seen it before, conquest inflates egos because akittens core avoiding fights when you can take a circle is the best tactic.

Anyway you dont want to deathmatch you want to conquest saying its skill…. we are at an impasses I dont respect conquest I think its a bad game mode that promotes gimmicks and poor fights. You dont like deathmatch because…. I dont know why a good reason is never been given.

Its hopeless i guess the WvW dev has stated there is noting more fun then sitting in a tower using an arrow cart. Dude hates anything even numbers with even stats be it 1v1 or 20v20 he wants it out of his vision of WvW.

Then you have the winners on the PvP side saying spirit rangers take skill, and putting maps like skyhammer in the soloqueue rotation.

At what point do they look at the PvP numbers of views at PAX….. look at the views from large community driven GvG deathmatch fights and say…… Oh kitten we missed something big here?

I remember the posts at the start of the game saying its up the community to help build the games PvP….. well guess what community made a deathmatch format with its own leaderboards and competitive metas. Now anet is going to kill it on a whim because its not a game mode they support.

lol

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

But let’s be real here, why would they give publicity to something they are about to kill?

^this

but man a 10v10 would be fun to do vs them.

Mirsa.1628:

Xom.9264:

Get into the GvG side of the game eles are an outstanding must have choice for nearly all team setups.

He’s asking about sPvP, though.

Ahh yes, then my response would be wait for the next nerf/buffs from Anet to change the ‘meta’ and hope this turn of the wheel lands in Eles favor.

@Darnis, you keep ducking and refusing deathmatch format because you know you are not good at the game you play gimmicks only useful in conquest mode. You wont deathmatch and GvGers dont conquest so whats the point of your chest thumping when you have zero intention of ever meeting us halfway?

Dont really care if GvGers annoying you Anet has it in their head that GvG is pulling people/population from PvP… its not. People that like deathmatch 2v2 – 5v5 format in WvW are not doing PvP conquest mode, they despise it and will get behind it.

Yes WvW 2v2 -5v5 is a thing because its deathmatch with build options. The PvPers already quit or moved on to WvW, you’re all the leftovers that think you are good at something.

Get into the GvG side of the game eles are an outstanding must have choice for nearly all team setups.

Darnis.4056:

Hilarious posts as always xom; calling out hotjoin heros for being bad when you’ve declined to scrim

To me more clear, I tried to meet you half way. You declined. Also I must point out you called me PvE/WvW zerger in the other thread and forced me to pull leader board rank on you.

Dont go down this path, the GvG side its another game mode you are not ready for. You step into the GvGs your low skill spam gimmicks will get exposed by real team work and crazy builds that work due to WvW stat choices.

There are no spirit rangers in GvG no pure stun lock wars no troll thiefs also no bunkers like you know them, not even the same kind of necros builds. Mesmers have a place so do eles and even engineers in top teams its actually rangers that are not viable in GvGs. Its another world with another very complex meta and counter meta.

You could not hang without much practice and research.

I proved a GvGer can hang in low skill cap land called conquest there are other GvGers top 100 on the solo queue on my friends list. You think your good only because the pool of good players doing TPvP is 40 tops. When in reality GvGers are casually farming PvP leader boards and mocking all of you clowns that fooled yourself into thinking your playing the competitive game mode..

This GvG vs PvP thing is pointless. Deathmatch always wins without fail its draws more people and larger populations when both deathmatch and conquest are offered.

Anyway I do hope Anet fixes PvP so its brings in good players just seems they are clueless over why PvP is failing no matter how clear it is to others. The growth of GvG should be a huge red flag that so many top players are rejecting their PvP and made a deathmatch game mode all their own, but naw anet just wants it dead and gone.

GvG streams are pulling in as many views as PAX why is that? And why is Anet going to kill GvGs?

Maybe it only seems like ET is not attacking SF because they are just better at defending and faster retaking lost stuff.

Take a few towers in SF BL and they will come to take them back and quickly. Great fights.

WoW arena at high glad levels needed perfection of combos and team work…. GW2 conquest mode you see none of that because its just not a play mode getting players involved.

GvG you are starting to see the game evolve into really great team work combos peels as the main goal is to kill not a side goal. Thats what drives the skill cap higher the motivation and the tools (more gear and build choices) of a community to care about a game mode.

Knock WoW is you like but it started as a PvE game that became the most competitive format MMO on the arena side of any MMO ever!. GW2 has a chance but some egos from Anet are holding it back thats my only way to explain what is happening the refusing to look at the numbers and they just keep pounding their heads into the wall that is conquest mode with boring stat and build choices.

Few things to clear up….

The top players on the leader boards play other top players if they are in the queue.

Syncing is not possible at higher rating.

I agree that people sitting on the top with under 20 games played is a joke. Its like they have zero decay, I start to decay after a day or two of not playing and need to get a game in to maintain top 100 these people with a good starting runs never decay at all… I dont understand it. Some decay like I have seen personally is good dont want massive decay because i dont always want to do PvP taking a week off should not tank your rating but you should come back lower rating.

Anet needs to find a balance.

Just so clueless its sad, conquest will never be taken serious in its current form.

WoW had a massive PvP population boom and competitive format with cash prizes when Arena (deathmatch) was added. Before that they had some fun other pvp game modes (other then AV) that did ok had a minor competitive side but nothing on the level deathmatch arena took the game too.

GW2 pvp is not even close to as balanced and skill based as WoW arena…..

Now GW2 GvGs and deathmatch fights 2v2 3v3 behind the windmill that reminds me of high level WoW arena. Anet should take note of the growing community but their egos wont let them give up on conquest esport…. Anet is so mad over the GvG communities growth worried its pulling from PvP they are going to kill GvGs with Orbs.

There are a ton of better players doing GvGs. When Anet kills GvG and you have your little kitten with a pvp population of 40 people remember that even the best of you are worst then an average GvGer.

Kultas Sunstrider.9218:

omg you are rank 49 on solo Q ladder, please teach me

I’m got to 200 something on Tpvp also doing solo joins before solo queue. This pic was just to point out Im fighting the best this game PvP has to offer and its all poor quality foes. Much better players in WvW GvG/duel side of the game.

I just get annoyed when commenting on PvP some low rated kid calls WvW all zergers when in reality WvW population is so much larger then PvP that a sub culture GvG community is full of better players then PvP.

PvP conquest is fail its a dead game mode it will never be esport EVER, but Anet still tries to revive it and is killing the other game mode GvG in a bid to pull players back into PvP. Not going to happen.. Even deathmatch with PvP amulet only stats would be too little it would die out in a few months due to limited options.

@Eurantien, come to a server that fights ET this week DR or SF send me and we can line up a ton of fights with people you never heard of that never did PvP and get to how see good they are. Even better bring some friends and lets do some small scale GvGs. I could also point you in the direction of good GvG guilds and players from other servers that would love to face the best Spvp folks on our favorite map the Windmill behind southcamp.

So I have been really trying to figure out the math of full dire gear with runes of scav. and sigels of bursting higher conditions damage vs full rabid with undead and sigel of earth or a mix of rabid and dire. Its looking leading to build change choices and some good results testing duels by the windmill…. ohhh wait this is the ‘PvP’ forum never has a forum been so incorrectly labeled as ‘PvP’

Yeah ‘PvP’ rabid amulet is the only choice for over a year and the only build changes that come are because Anet buffed or nerfed something.

PvP where the options are limited the meta is controlled by nerfs and buffs and the gameplay is boring.

Cant make the easier to balance claim because the limited amulet and stat choices leads to is min/maxing with a stale dead meta…. cancel that there is NO meta in this games PvP other then what anet is creating by nerfs and buffs and thats not a meta.

Larger pool of choices leads to real community driven meta, WvW stats lets near any class make a build and gear setup to handle and fill almost anyroll.

The GvG and dueling going on by the windmill is so much more competitive then PvP. Viable and strong builds that can be made in PvP along with better player skill level then in PvP.

Of course Anet is going to kill the only competitive format in this game with Orbs. Its comical how much more competitive and diverse WvW duels and GvGs are. Anet is going to kill this community larger then the PvP community and growing doing the only legit fighting in this game.

PvP conquest + amulet only stats is a simplistic joke that you will never balance anet, or get people in it. Put your egos aside Anet and really look at why PvP is failing ITS NOT CLASS BALANCE its boring and limited gameplay.

You can’t give huge gear and build choices in the main game mode then give us the kitten that is PvP conquest and expect people to downgrade their gameplay.

Get with the program Anet your community doing GvG and duels in WvW is doing it right and its a large community. Dont kill it on a whim it would be a mistake the legit players are not doing PvP I meet former wow deadly glads everynight dueling by the windmill and doing small scale GvG.

Great gameplay and engineer behind GW2….. however terrible path for PvP from the start and out of pure spite killing the GvG community with orbs its unreal.

And before some hot join hero insults WvW/GvG calling me a zerger, you dont know how much better these players are then anyone doing PvP. All the good players quit the game, stopped/never did PvP and are doing GvGs….

Its not just GvGs orbs will kills its the endless 1v1 2v2 etc done constantly by the windmill all week and all night on thursdays in low tier NA.

The skill level of these players are outstanding made me rethink builds gear choices rotations combos and forced better play.

When I do PvP its such a joke no gear choices simplistic builds always the same cookie cutter foes because there just are no viable options.

/rant

Game just need deathmatch, conquest is boring as a arena player you know this. Even AB had a better conquest mode.

Agree so much on skyhammer…. why is it in the soloqueue rotation lol.

Anyway chill out a bit GW2 is a good game just needs a rethinking of the PvP side regarding game modes and gear choices.

Well done EP. I really like how you handled the 20v20…. starting to see guilds that will duck if you can only field 15 saying their tactics only work with 20.

The older GvG folks seem to be underestimating the people getting into GvG now in NA…. shame Anet is going to kill the game mode just when things are getting really competitive.

Kills the only good game mode in this joke GW2 has become.

GvG deathmatch.

PvP conquest mode with limited stats from amulet is the lowest skill cap I have ever seen in a MMO.

WvW zergers dont need stat boost they would be better served with WXP or Karma boosts

Jumper.9482:

So I ask you, at what point and why did GW2 turn astray from the fun, skillful gameplay in which we all envisioned?

You are fooling yourself, conquest mode always leads to gimmicks and poor gameplay. Gameplay was bad at the start of the game its still bad because conquest mode is just bad.

Enter WvW specifically GvGs better build and gear options much more complex meta and multiple classes with multiple builds that can fill a slot in a deathmatch setting. Skill level much higher then anything coming out of the PvP community.

Make the change to GvG talking 2v2 3v3 up to 5v5 very complex setups and team concepts. Only possible due to all the gear and stat choices. PvP amulet system is limiting and broken, it just wont work in the long run when WvW/GvG game mode has so many better complex metas and choices.

JKFlipFlop.7123:

Hey BS, you are all good players and you run really good groups with tight coordination. I respect many of you. What I don’t respect is being asked to duel and then being told my build is cheese and the only reason I won is because of a certain food. If you can’t take losing and have to resort to insults or excuses then don’t duel.

I’m gonna switch my build up and adapt to fights, you can’t expect me to run the same thing every single time. There’s an infinite number of factors that can play into a fight. Some of your members are just really rude and it’s not something I’m gonna miss.

I agree BS is rude they call my necro cheese all the time call tons of builds cheese even their own builds cheese. Everyone calls condition cheese or regen bunker cheese or stealth cheese evade spam cheese….. the only thing not cheese for these people is direct damage. Clearly the only skilled meta was the start of the game when some classes could spam a few buttons and kill a target in seconds.

You start with leavers and folks that dont care, happened to me. Higher rating you get it does not happen anymore

Removing hot joins is a terrible idea.

Just make deathmatch already not having that is why pvp is getting so little support from the community.

Joe.4178:

Thanks [BS] for the fun 2v2s in gom bl behind windmill, was a good learning experience of what to improve for my duo team. Fun fights this week, hopefully get to see both servers again sometime in the future.

Aye great fun, hope to see you thursday night. Going to make my eng support like yours for those times we dont have guards on.